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Does anyone here have heart trouble and practice AP'ing?

Perhaps (or maybe not, heh!) it might be a good idea to create a sub-board or topic strictly for the discussion of the catholic or christian ideals here.

I saw the plea for open mindedness by Tisha, I also see it's agreed to but ignored by those that condemn people both directly and indirectly because they refuse to adopt the closed belief system of another.

Make a preach board and move all preachy closed minded posts there, save the rest of the Asral Pulse for the open minds that wish to have good discussion, not arguement.

I'll try to make this short, but I'm notorious for long windedness...

I have a guide, a non physical being that sometimes helps me and other times confounds me with tasks of a sort where I assume I'm supposed to learn a thing or two. What I'm relating here is one of those journeys as is happened in the asral.

After my initial meeting with my guide, he took me off to a place I'd never seen before. It was a building like a house, off to the side and rear was a garage, behind that, an open yard with rolling hills in the distance, colored with the beautiful shades of red and orange from the setting sun.

I walked with my guide around the side of the house and came to the gate for the yard. He stopped and indicated that he was to go no further, that I was to go on alone.  I passed through the gate and a wave of sadness came over me as I walked deeper into the yard. I came across many people, mostly old, laying around in the yard. They were lamenting the setting sun, but did not have the energy to do anything about their positions in the yard. As weak as they were, they could not even crawl away from the approaching shade made by the hills in the distance.

I thought about what I should do here for a while. After listening to them and feeling their anguish, I decided to help. One by one, I carried these poor souls from the shade to one of the hills behind the yard. There was no shade on the hilltops, so I lay each of these people down in the grass so they could watch the sun and enjoy it's warm glow.

When on the hills, I noticed that there, the sun was not setting. It was high and warm, casting no shadows. I carried each of these people from the yard to the hills....it took a while, but finally I finished.

There was no more sadness, the yard disappeared when I looked to see it from the hills after the last soul was carried over. They were all happy and thankfull.  I wanted myself back to my starting place to talk again with my guide, but he said nothing. He only gave me a broad grin.

I really liked that experience. It made me feel completely wonderful, and I felt I had learned what I needed to learn, although I'm not completely sure what that is. In this state it isn't as important to remember as it is in the 'other' state. I often wonder what I really did do, since the astral tends to bend your perception more than a little. Whatever it was, it was good.

I won't ask for much, as I don't know the abilities of you all , but I ask that you take a moment if you can to send my son Shaun healing or a little prayer for his recovery. I'll give a short an explanation as I can...

In June 2001, my son was walking home and was hit by a car. The driver left the scene and he lay in the driveway until the next morning. His neck was broken, as well as his legs and many other bones, and he sustained a brain injury.

Since then he's maintained fair health, but he has developed a pressure ulcer on his behind he must go have surgery for later in september. He'll be in the hospital 3 weeks, which of course worries me. Hospitals are not known for their germ free atmosphere, so I want him out of there ASAP.

My desire is that he not need surgery at all, that the sore would heal, but it's too large. The surgery will be extensive and it will take a toll on his over all health, as surgery always seems to do. All I can do is my best in giving him as much healing as I can on my own, and perhaps a gracious few will assist...I would greatly appreciate it.

Robert, if you read these posts; I used to write back and forth with you often. Email me if you have time and I'll tell you who I am. It's not my intention to come here only to ask for help. My wife (Shiela, remember?) asked that I get on and see what you were up to. Looks like you're doing pretty good bud! Keep on it! Drop a line

I think the whole idea of dividing the non physical into "levels" ought to be pitched in its entirety.  There are no "levels" as such. Only places, and only states of awareness.

Hell is a place where you will put yourself if your belief system is staunch enough to put you there if you think you deserve it. Same with heaven...however, if you were to commit suicide because this life is so unbearable for example, you would have to resolve the issues you avoided in life. This, to the suicide-er, would seem an awful lot like hell.

This is according to the most popular psychics, not necessarily my own beliefs.

It doesn't matter, it's just a parable anyway.  If all humanity arose from 2 people we'd either all be mongoloids or look nearly identical. Such as the case with the tigers.  One particular type (forget which) of tiger was nearly driven to extinction, now the ones that are left across the globe are related, according to DNA samples.

If there was an "adam" and an "eve" they were coated with hair and didn't use language well enough to make a decision between themselves...LOL!

As a parable, the Adam and Eve story is simply stating that God put us here and there were specific rules to follow that weren't followed, thus every human since was born with "original sin".  That's all the story was meant to be.

Now, can this topic go into the correct forum?

That reminds me a little of a story (repeat, story) I read in one of Castaneda's books. Something he obviously gleaned from the Mexican shaman.

Trance while looking into a mirror submerged in water. What it's supposed to do is create a doorway through which you may 'borrow' an ally, or a spirit to help with something or another. (For gaining knowledge basically)

The danger in that, according to real sorcery is that you may be borrowed as well for other purposes (energetic mostly) and you can get 'stuck' there since you opened the gateway and you are no longer 'there' to keep it open. Once on the 'other' side the gateway closes and viola! You're stuck. Probably as a slave to whatever pulled you through.

I haven't tried this myself, but you go right ahead.....

Ok, two more of my favorites, from Tool's Aenima

pain in the butt forum dumped me before I could post! grrrrrr.

Eulogy

He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.

So long.
We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.
Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud.
We'll miss him.
Ranting and pointing his finger
At everything but his heart.
We'll miss him.

No way to recall
What it was that you had said to me,
Like I care at all.

So loud.
You sure could yell.
You took a stand on every little thing
And so loud.

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice so strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, with
Someone who would die for me.

Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you friggin lie.

Don't you step out of line.
Don't you friggin lie.

You've claimed all this time that you would die for me.
Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy?

You had alot to say.
You had alot of nothing to say.

Come down.
Get off your friggin cross.
We need the friggin space to nail the next fool martyr.

To ascend you must die.
You must be crucified
For your sins and your lies. [sic]
Goodbye...


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Forty-Six & 2

My shadow's

Shedding skin and
I've been picking
Scabs again.
I'm down
Digging through
My old muscles
Looking for a clue.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own confused
And insecure delusions
For a piece to cross me over
Or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in

My shadow.
Change is coming through my shadow.
My shadow's shedding skin
I've been picking
My scabs again.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own chaotic
And insecure delusions.

I wanna feel the change consume me,
Feel the outside turning in.
I wanna feel the metamorphosis and
Cleansing I've endured within

My shadow
Change is coming.
Now is my time.
Listen to my muscle memory.
Contemplate what I've been clinging to.
Forty-six and two ahead of me.

I choose to live and to
Grow, take and give and to
Move, learn and love and to
Cry, kill and die and to
Be paranoid and to
Lie, hate and fear and to
Do what it takes to move through.

I choose to live and to
Lie, kill and give and to
Die, learn and love and to
Do what it takes to step through.

See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor.
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow.
Forty six and two are just ahead of me.

I've got the crack for the latest version of BWgen, email me with your email and I'll send it along

I've tried a few programs like BWgen in the past with varying results, but this one is simple and pretty darn good when used with the TOmmi Vibe preset.

I've been playing with BWgen for a few days now, and while I can start the vibes by myself I've found that I don't really 'need' to get the vibes to get out. The Tommi preset is pretty cool though, it has allowed me to isolate the moment of 'departure' without the use of vibrations, and optionally I can bring the vibrations on by tuning to something I hear off in the background of the preset. I think that noise is caused by the binaural effect in the preset, but it 'sounds' like a weaker version of what the vibes 'feel' like.  It takes a little more effort (so to speak) to get in tune with that 'noise' without using the preset.

To get out without bringing on the vibes, I wait until I hear the preset fade away. It's still playing to my ears in the headset, but I'm not hearing it anymore. It comes pretty suddenly so if you watch for that instead of waiting for the vibes you may  be suprised by it the first few times, but you'll get used to it. Anyway, when you can't hear the output of the headphones and are still aware, you ARE out, you just need to test the condition, turn on your vision, etc. to realize it.

Good stuff!

I've seen stories on the news magazines about this in the past, the last one I saw I think was about 4 years ago on a program like ABC Nightly News.

A lot of research has gone into OBEs and spiritual 'feelings' in general, what I saw of what they 'found' is that there is a particular part of the brain that, when stimulated, generates a great sensation of spiritual being. I believe they said then that it was forst discovered as a result of neurosurgery. What they were doing was trying to remove a part of the brain that was causing a person severe epilleptic seizures, it seems this little chunk of the brain was mis-wired or something.

Before a surgeon cuts out any part of the brain, or cuts INto the brain, they do stimulous tests with the brain exposed and the patient being fully awake. Not a problem because the brain itself does not feel pain, pain is perceived BY the brain from other areas so you can chop away at it and not feel a thing. Anyway, they were stimulating different areas to sort of map out the area they were working on to determine a safe place to cut, how much they should cut, etc.

When they did this stimulous the patient reported the sensation of tunneling away from the body, then wild spiritual euphoria, etc. This led to this neurologist doing more extensive research on this phenomena. He discovered that one area in particular generated these feelings when stimulated.

My problem with the whole story is the conclusion they jumped to, being that because it could be generated with an electric stimulus, that spirituality and things like astral projection must be considered a product of the human mind or brain and really didn't exist.

This is what is known as "junk science"; when some minor research is done and HUGE, I mean H-U-G-E leaps in hypothesis are made and taken as fact just because some scientist or a-theistic group likes the explanation and puts their 'faith' in a leap of logic (ironic, isn't it?)

Anyway, bottom line is that if a helmet or electrode can stimulate this reaction in people, we can do it internally with other means. This does not discount the afterlife, OOBEs, phasing, or anything else.  Either way, that area of the brain probably has something to do with spirituality, and if it can be 'jump started' with a helmet, go for it!!!

Now what this guy os offering on the website is a gamble for sure. I don't think I'd go for that one myself....

Yep, it's very common!

Didn't the moderators or admins create a forum for the DBZ stuff?

So....to become a premium member you have to have too much time on your hands? [|)]

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I've never heard it called "optical breathing" before....maybe this is something different than what you are thinking of....

Breathing visualization

For cleansing purposes, visualize the air you breathe out (during meditation) as being gray/black, negative energy, and the air you intake as light blue, clean and pure.  Do this as you push energy up and down through your body, circulating it through all your centers....

In the inhale, 'pull' clean new colored energy into your lungs and through your tertiary exchange ports, also pulling all 'bad' energy toward your lungs for expulsion on exhale.

Like I said, maybe not the same thing as what you're after....

..... NO.

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I didn't see the original thread where it was (or wasn't) posted in the religion forums, but I recognize the methodology behind the topic.....I've seen this sort of topic in support of the united nations charters before, and they have always done nothing but generate rantings and hateful messages from all colors of the spectrum. If the moderators deleted it, they are on the ball.

Supporters of the mandates of the united nations keep trying to start these discussions to garner support for the charters they try to force on the worlds countries as a method of gaining footholds of control in those countries.  They have been doing this publicly in the 'net for as long as the internet has existed, and in the last 5 years or so have shamelessly used children to attempt to further their cause and garner support from those with weak minds but caring hearts.

This doesn't have anything to do with the Astral Pulse, astral projection, or even spiritual development or the betterment of mankind. I'd be happy to see this prosyletization deleted completely every time it comes up.

Humor is of course a matter of perspective, as most things are in the context of being human.  I don't laugh at many jokes myself, it needs to be a real rib splitter before I'll even chuckle a bit.

I hate political corectness too. It's actually the opposite of what it's meant to be, as is affirmative action, etc. Anything race based (or gender, etc) is just stupid and doesn't belong in politics, it belongs in a catalog of common sense.

Simply think of what you say before you say it. If you think it will offend after some consideration, REWORD it! Gods! You can say anything to anyone without being insulting, it's all in the wording.

While we're on the PC topic...sorta...I find the whole  xxxxxx-American thing to be COMPLETELY stupid. Most Americans are mutts. I am....however I am American FIRST. I allow NOBODY to tag me with a prefix to the title "American". It's nice to be able to trace your geneology back to another (or several) countries, and in many cases it's a big part of you culturally, but it makes no difference at all what color you are, what gender you are....if you are American, say you're American.

Finally, one should never be offended by another's ignorance...take it for what it is, let them know their ignorance is hanging out, and move on.[]

One of my favorites...

"Breathe" by Disturbed

You will realease your life
Forgetting what's forsaken the reason why
You are alone again
You will believe the lie
Judging from what you've taken
You breathe, alive
You are alone again

From the heart of darkness
You call to me
Spirit racing on
There is nothing I can do
For you are next to no one

You will release your life
Joining with the goddamned world
Of the dead and the lonely
You'll never leave alive
Now do you think you're too damn good
For the killing kind

You will begin to cry
Hearing the silence breaking
You breathe, alive
But you are alone again

From the heart of darkness
You call to me
Spirit racing on
There is nothing I can do
For you are next to no one

You will release your life
Joining with the goddamned world
Of the dead and the lonely
You'll never leave alive
Now do you think you're too damn good
For the killing kind

You will release your life
forgetting what's forsaken
You breathe, alive
You are alone again

You will release your life
Joining with the goddamned world
Of the dead and the lonely
You'll never leave alive
Now do you think you're too damn good
For the killing kind

Nothing I can do

2 big reasons for losing a lucid dream are a sudden lack of focus, and a conflict in what's going on in the LD and what physical reality allows a person to do (ie; floating can't be done in the physical so the mind rejects it)

When I first started LD'ing, the first few times anyway, I'd excite myself right out of it. I'd think "wow, I'm dreaming and I have control, whoot whoot!" and then I'd be awake and miffed. What happened there wasn't so much the excitement as it was a LOSS OF FOCUS. You cannot remain lucid without focus in the dream.

The initial excitement will pass as you LD a few times, but the focus issue remains. When you become used to focusing the second issue regarding the conflict of the waking mind and the possibilities in the dreamworld sort of level out, allowing even more focus.

Here's a trick I've come to learn and utilize when lucid dreaming to improve focus; when lucid and calm, start turning around slowly like a spinning top. Maintain your focus throughout this exercise. If you start to lose focus stop spinning and get your composure, then start again. This will accomplish several things....

- You begin to realize that you are not facing 'one' direction when you dream, you can take in all that is 'around' you and oddly enough, this makes it EASIER to focus because you aren't getting buried in the details of ONE thing. Focus becomes easier and the spinning sensation will cease, but you will be -more- aware.

- Your surroundings disappear, allowing you to construct your own dream, or allow another to seep in. You'll also eventually come to realize that this LD realm is a wonderful place from which to launch other experiences. Knowing then that you are inside your own mind, you now have the ability to exit, not as an astral body, rather then as a point of awareness only. (this leads to a completely different subject tho)

- The conflicts between the mindset of the physical and the dreamworld will eventually disappear as you become used to manipulating yourself in the dream world. The spinning enhances and speeds up this realization, why, I'm not sure.

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Nifty ideas....but I can get a flashlight from the local hardware store and I can get speakers that click and tweet....wait...I already have that stuff. LOL!

Here's what I suggest to everyone that asks me how to get to lucid dreaming;

Start a journal, wether it be on tape or written by hand in the wee hours, you just have to do this! What this does is help your recall of your dreams. Write in the journal the instant you wake, and make a habit of it. As your recall expands, it sort of 'pulls' your awareness into shape as you are dreaming, since you are remembering it better. Odd, but that's the best way i can think to put it.

Then, once you have good recall of your dreams, start making a habit of testing your reality....all of the time, waking hours, drowsy times, and eventually this will carry into dreamland. Affirmations will work 100% then, but affirmations alone will not do it.

Other common sense things;

You have to be getting the RIGHT amount of sleep for YOU. Too much and too l ittle will ruin it.

You have to have uninterupted sleep. No eating 3 hours before bed, and no big ole glasses of water right before either. Pee as much as you can before you hit the sack.

NO DRUGS. This doesn't help lucidity one bit, in dreaming OR waking. All it does is give you WIERD dreams if you even remember them. Learn to shift your awareness without the darn drugs. Drugs are a LOSERS way out.

Is this enuff? It's a start anyway, hope it helps!

Oh boy. I can't answer this one in short....but I'll try....

Before I actually HAD a crisis, the smaller problems in comparison that -SEEMED- like crisis at the time would consume me until I found a way around or through them. That's what I did, just kept pushing my way through till I saw daylight.

Now that I know what a real huge crisis is like...nearly losing my son, I can tell you how I reacted to that. First, I used every ounce of will I had to keep from becoming an emotional puddle, or a burning pillar of hatred, or both. Second, when I heard the doctors tell me that there was less than a 1% chance he'd survive that morniing, I decided to give everything I had to his survival.

Everything. I meant it and I gave it. I went to the deepest levels and the highest levels I could find to gather the strength and energy my son needed to find his way home and I gave it to him. I had the help of thousands of mystics, shaman, witches, and religious folk working and praying on his behalf. Beyond this I can't say specifically what I did, but I can tell you I worked hard at it, and it did work. I found a way through the crisis for myself as well as for my son.

Now I am happily paying for that favor from Spirit, having devoted whatever is left of my life to ensure he has a good life with little worries...he deserves it.

Hope you can get something out of that. Basically, when a TRUE crisis arises, all you can do is everything you CAN do to overcome. Sometimes it will not work out, but you HAVE to believe it will and work to that goal. Worry about the debt later on if there is one []

Generally speaking, you can't do anything that affects someone elses free will....  I'm not speaking about -ability- here, I'm talking the morality of doing so.  If someone asks you to help them out there would be no problem aside from their own limitations (they may be incoherant or just go right back 'in').

If you went to someone who was awake and yanked them out (or tried to) it would most likely feel like some sort of attack. You might have more results if they were asleep, but still, it's not right. I wouldn't suggest anyone do such a thing without consent.

It's really simple....

Life is what YOU make it. If you allow the negative aspects of this life to make your life crap, it will be crap. however if you decide to get off your butt, fight back, and make your life what you want it to be (good) your outlook will change.

Everybody gets down, and yes I've seen things and 'places' that made me not want to come back, but I know there are things to take care of here and no matter how down I may get sometimes I know there are good things about living that can't be had when not alive.

My son is now quadriplegic and completely dependant on me for many things due to a woman who uncaringly left him on the side of the road to die after running him down with her car. He laid there all night clinging to life by the barest of threads, made it through a 3 week coma, rahabilitation, permanent confinement to a wheelchair, and he's still here. He has a good outlook on life, which amazes me sometimes, but makes me happy none the less.

If he can be dealt such a hand and have a good outlook, I can't sympathize with anyone in a lesser situation that won't get off their butt and make their life something to aspire to. Set a goal for yourself, find your path....do something!