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This happened last night.  After doing some jogging I took a rest and went to bed.  After about three and a half hours I woke up (this was about 4:23 now.)  I did a reality check to be sure that this wasn't a false awakening and then decided to try and OBE.  I relaxed and believe it went something like this: Firstly I counted my deep breaths up to one hundred.  Secondly I started visualizing going down flights of stairs.  Thirdly I then started to get this hypnagogic imagery but instead of passively observing it I focused on it and my third eye.  Then I got the "highest pitch" of vibrations I've ever experienced!  After that I emptied my mind of thoughts and just focused on the vibes.  Finally it seemed I was out but I almost think that I was in fact just dreaming.  I was suddenly sitting up in bed and at the end of the bed was a dark figure that reminded me of a character in a video game I was playing that night at a cousin's house.  I then believe I tried to go back into my body so I could go tell my dad.  I got up and my dad was in the kitchen.  I told him about the figure and when I went back to my bedroom it was there again but looked like a samurai from that game now.  I'm almost sure that I did a reality check (in case I was dreaming) then and I thought that it was the afternoon because the clock said 4-something but now it was light out.
So I think that most of this was a dream how about you?  It didn't seem very "awake."  I think that the first part may have been OOB but when I tried to go back into my body, after that point I'm pretty sure it was a dream.  At the very least I'm closer to OBEing because up to and including the part with the vibrations I'm pretty much sure I was awake.  So any comments?  Oh and just F.Y.I. I jogged for about fourty-four minutes then took a break for about five minutes because a nut came loose on the machine and then jogged for another sixteen minutes.  I then rested for about 2 hours before going to bed.  As far as the imagery goes it seemed to be of some odd ritual but I wouldn't know anything about that kind of stuff.  I focused on the one person in there to lock on the image.  Oh and once I had an odd experience with what seemed to be a neg pulling me OOB from the end of my bed (it stopped before any actual OBE and happened during meditation where I heard howls and kind of taunted it saying, "I bet you're not powerful enough to pull me out of my body![]) but my bed has been moved since then.

I was wondering if anyone has shared a dream with anyone else.  Today at school my one friend who I will call T had a dream where let's just say I did hostile things to him and one aquaintance of mine/friend of his we'll call E.  Now what's interesting is him saying this reminded me of a short dream I had last night where it showed me in what looked like the school outside the gym (which is where the main occurences took place in his dream) and I had an angry look on my face like I could have done these hostile things shortly after.  Then E said that he remembers something similar to what happened.  Now I don't doubt the possibility of a coincidence or that E is lying, however I understand that it is unlike E to lie.  I will go into more detail if needed like for example in both E and T's memory there was food involved in an odd way.  In my case I only remembered pieces like the hostile look and I think I remember the blurring of high speed running.
I just figured I'd post this because I found it interesting.  Feel free to give any information or comments you like.[|)]

Last night I think I came very close to OBEing.  I tried the LifeLine Technique from the OBE Discussion Board.  I first heard a bwop bwop or computer generated heart beat rather than a bump bump heart beat.  I believe it got faster causing more of an eighteen wheeler next to you on the highway noise which lasted until I was disturbed by the furnace turing on.  I think it was still there but it wasn't audible over the furnace.  Once the furnace was ready I could here the bwop bwop again for a bit.  Then I got sort of slow vibrations that wore off after a bit.  These were all sensations I have previously experienced, differently before though (the vibrations were faster before, the eighteen wheeler noise and bwop bwop nosie lasted only a short while)and only once before.  I then experienced a swaying sensation from side to side.  I however was interupted shortly after the swaying and couldn't continue.  This over all took about 45 minutes but felt like only 15-20 minutes.
So does anyone have any comments?
Would you say I'm close to OBEing?
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I have an idea for achieving OBE's more often.  You need to have OBEs already but it should raise the consistancy and maybe even eventually allow OBEs on will.  First I would like to say that NLP is Neuro-Logical Programming.  It is telling the mind that a certain stimulae will cause a certain effect.  For example eating a certain food while watching your favourite television program repeatedly on different occasions could possibly cause an eating disorder because the happiness you get when you watch that show will be related to that food.
Now as far as OBE's are concerned this would allow one to connect a certain stimulae with having OBEs.  So in other words you would tell your brain to OBE when ever you experience this stimulae.
So if one would be able to say think of the smell of a certain flower, the image of a certain forest, the sound of water falls, and the feel of waves every time they OBE eventually this would cause a much higher consistancy and eventually just thinking of being there will cause you to OBE.
This is of course theory.  Also self hypnotic suggestions (you tell yourself this when you're in deep relaxation and the subconcious believes it) like, "I will OBE whenever I am experiencing this stimulae."  You can and probably should replace this stimulae with whatever stimulae you chose simultaneously thinking of that stimulae.
I hope this helps.  Oh and the self hypnotic suggestions could help those who haven't projected yet based upon what they'e read the subconcious might know what to do.
I didn't mean to however I think that I did this with vibrations.  I connected vibrations with what I listed as the example.  I also purposely gave myself a self hypnotic suggestion that would cause me to get deeply relaxed when I said, "Deeply relax now."  I now get into a trance and vibrations (small ones) whenever I think or say to myself, "Deeply relax now.", and think of being in that place with the waterfall and what not.  I never did the flower thing but using up all the senses is the best way to go.

Well since I had my first vibrations I have gotten minor vibrations whenever I try.  I get bored after a while and give up though because I need some sleep for school.  Anyways last night I got a pain in my right arm/ribs right next to the part of my right arm.  I thought it was an energy blockage so I tried making some energy flow through it.  It went away for a while but then came back so I tried a psychic sword which didn't do much so I made a shield out of white light to push away any negative entities in case it might be a parasite and also if I were close to projection I wouldn't want to be out only to find a neg waiting.  Suddenly my door started rattling.  I remembered then that when I was in the US over summer holidays I was paranoid because I wa sin a glass door shower and I made a psychic shield to push out entities.  The door rattled then when I was fully awake.  
I think that the more recent time could have been from the ground shaking from people in the other room however I don't think my door has ever done this before.
So was that an energy blockage?
Am I close to OOBEing?
Is there a neg following me?  And if so how can I get rid of it for good.  I've tried attacking it mentally but it only seems to slow it down.  Could it be a thought form?  Hypnagogic hallucinations based upon the coincidence that happened while in the US?  Or maybe I'm accidently pushing away my spirit guide?

I tried the deep hypnosis suggestions that hypnotist gave me in my other post For those Who Know Self Hypnosis.  The then asked my higher self to put in a good word about me with who ever is in charge of when someone OBEs.  If I rememeber correctly he said that I am.  So I said that I will.  I then thought about how someone in another post said that it felt more like being flowing water than vibrations. So I thought of that.  At first nothing happened so I tried again.  I felt a light vibrating in my solar plex or naval.  I got hyper and then thought, "No think rationally!  Stay calm!"  It spread over my body and I must say I was very happy.  Not hyper though.  I don't think it feels like flowing water though.  It feels more like your a different fluid.  Something along the lines of a martini in a James Bond movie[].  It got weak.  I willed it large again and it worked.  The next thing I didn't know I was asleep.  This morning I dreampt that I was OOB flying to touch down in front of a building that I'm not familiar with in a country side I'm not familiar with but it was very beautiful.  I then dissapeared as soon as I touched the ground and reappeared in my families car.  I was talking to my dad about the vibrations I got last night.  Apparently I thought that it was today.  I'm not sure if the dream part was important at all but I thought I should include it.

Read this question, come up with an answer and then scroll down to the bottom for the result. This is not a trick question. It is as it reads. No one that I know of has gotten it right-including me.

A woman, while at the funeral of her own mother, met this guy whom she did not know. She thought this guy was amazing, so much her dream guy she believed him to be just that! She fell in love with him right there, but never asked for his number and could not find him. A few days later she killed her sister.


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She was hoping that the guy would appear at the funeral again. If you answered this correctly, you think like a psychopath. This was a test by a famous American Psychologist used to test if one has the same mentality as a killer. Many arrested serial killers took part in the test and answered the question correctly. If you didn't answer the question correctly good for you. If you got the answer correct, please let me know so I can take you off of my email list unless that will tick you off, then I'll just be extra nice to you from now on.

Feel free to post your results[].

I was just trying different ideas and had a little experiment.  I relaxed and tried to suggest to myself that I would sink into theta brainwave by the time I was done counting backward from 10 to 1.  I counted from 10 to 5 and said I was physically relaxed then I counted from 5 to 1 and said I was fully concentrated.  I've got to trance fairly easily this way.  William Hewitt speaks of this theta suggestion in his book on hypnosis.  After that I suggest that I will start to see the hypnagogic imagery behind my eyes and will here hypnagogic noises in my ears.  I counted backwards from 10 to 5 and said that it was starting to come in.  I counted backward from 5 to 1 and then said they were coming in more clearly.  My eyes then sort of opened but after a little bit I closed them again to see static behind my eyes like a channel wasn't coming in.  I then say that it is starting to come in crystal clear.
After that I see a lady at a desk.  I then saw a comic.  I tried to think of myself going into the comic and I saw the lady again more clearly.  I then started to roll over to get up because I had a chore to do and saw myself from the third person with a blue copy rolling.  I had to get up right then though because of the chore I had to do[].  I was so close too.  It kind of flickered on and off but it was only like 10-15 mins.  Anyone who knows self hypnosis should give this a try.  If you don't know self hypnosis then all you do is get into light alpha and then suggest to yourself.  Tell me if anyone else has success with this technique.[] I still haven't OBEd yet but I think I will soon thanks to me just fooling around with different ideas.

I was just thinking that anybody who has made contact with their higher self and/or spirit guides could post the names of them.  Perhaps somebody will find they have a spirit guide in common or maby even as I recall prove the theory one person had about multiple incarnations.  At the least people will have somebody to ask for to find other projections.[]
Sorry if this has been done before or if it's a bad idea.  Just seemed good to me.

I was pretty close to my first projection last night when I heard a voice from my hall way saying my name and it sounded like a kind of gruff voice.  I thought at first it might have been a neg so I threatened it with my expertise in psi constructs and the fact that I was probably partially projecting meaning I could make a sword I also said to go screw itself or a monkey spirit[] (seriously I did).  It said but I love you.  I thought it might be an advanced neg impersonating a loved one because a similar thing happened to me as a child when I woke up in the middle of the night.  Now that I'm fully awake and thinking rationally without my heart skipping beats I talked to my dad about it and realized when I was a kid a heard a female gruff voice.  This time a thought at first it was my dad snoring and talking in his sleep last time I thought it was my mom snoring and talking in her sleep.  So I made a connection, right now I have a male dog back then I had a female dog.  My dad actually asked the dog if he walks when he sleeps and if he can speak english when he walks in his sleep to bark once and if not two bark twice.  Toby (my dog) barked!  My dad said again, "Do you?"  My dog barked again and whined.  And my dad asked if I freaked him out with the sword and he whined again so apologize and my dad says next time to say, "It's Toby."  My dog freakin' bobbed his head up and down that time!  All through this my dog was hyper and paying pretty close attention to me.    
My question is do animals project conciously?
Do you think they were my dogs?
Or is this some big coincidece?
Any comments would be welcome too.  I don't know for shure if maybe my dog thought it was my dad saying if he had to go to the bathroom and if perhaps the head bob was to swallow.  The voices may have been snores that I made more out of than was needed.  But that's too many coincidences in my opinion.

Well last night when I decided to try for a projection before I went to bed.  I decided to use more of a self-hypnosis sort of technique where I narrated my technique.  I set up a wonderful scenic view and a copy of me coming out of a long hike ready for a nap in this huge clearing with one tree.  I said to myself that I know I'm going to project and then I said that I could hear the buzzing.  When I said that I could here the buzzing before I could say that I could feel the vibrations I started hearing a buzzing noise of sorts.  It sounded like a huge truck going by (sort of) or a fan (sort of).  Then I got excited and didn't have any chance of another try now.  Earlier I read a bit of the Treatise and I think that thinking about the idea of the energy technique with the hands might have caused it to happen without the actual intent.  That might be what helped.
P.S. when I say "say" throughout that I mean think.
 So is that what the buzzing noises are like?
 Do you think I'm close?

I'm new and would first of all like to say hi.  I've been trying to OBE for a month or so and today I got the vibes after some jerks of my legs, fingers, and arms.  But pretty much 30 secs. after I got them I fell asleep[].
    So my questions are:1)Are limbs jerking normal before an OBE?
                        2)Would you say I was close?
                        3)Did you try the asking for a sword thing like from Robert Bruce's article?
                        4)How'd it work?
                        5)If you got your sword and armour what are they like?
    Thanks in advance for replies and for the help.

quote:Originally posted by manuel

quote:Originally posted by APGuy

I was very surprised in reading this topic that noone mentioned The Monroe Institute.  As we know it now The Monroe Institute is famous for Hemi-Sync.  However, it was started by a Dr. Monroe who experienced OBEs without trying and wanted to better understand them.  He held experiments with eight digit random numbers in other rooms entirely.  They have documented cases with at least a thousand positive results for all eight correct or the eight that were correct being reversed by the person.  This is, unfortunately, a little known fact.  This is my understanding at least.[]

Whoa, since when did Rob Monroe do these experiments? Do you have any links? I do know he did do an experiment I think in the 60's or 70's with Charles Tart, he didn't make it to the numbers, but he did see stuff that was quite spot on in the book, but I am very interested in these experiments you mention with the eight numbers.

I don't have any links.  I got this information from a book on OBEs in my local library.  It gave several summaries of some of these.  I remember one where they put it in another room.  On the first attempt the person said they couldn't see it because their body in that form was to short.  They put in a stool and the person climbed up to get the numbers dead on.  Another they put it in the rafters and the person said they floated up to find the numbers.  They gave it to the scientists but in reverse.
This is how I remember it.  If you would like I could double check some time when I go to the library for the title.  I remember that the book was thin and black covered.  It had case histories of OBEs and NDEs.  It even mentioned Dr. Monroe's method along with these experiments.  It had silver text for the cover and was actually part of a series about paranormal subjects.  I believe that this was the book, I know that there was a book like this that was very good, but it may not be the one with the experiments.  Hope that helps but I can't remember the details precicely having read this about two years ago or more.

I was very surprised in reading this topic that noone mentioned The Monroe Institute.  As we know it now The Monroe Institute is famous for Hemi-Sync.  However, it was started by a Dr. Monroe who experienced OBEs without trying and wanted to better understand them.  He held experiments with eight digit random numbers in other rooms entirely.  They have documented cases with at least a thousand positive results for all eight correct or the eight that were correct being reversed by the person.  This is, unfortunately, a little known fact.  This is my understanding at least.[]

quote:Originally posted by golding_light

my theory of what they are is that because you body is so relaxed, and at the same time you are focusing on your mental thoughts, you are awakening you subconscious (wich you use when you are dreaming, when you are asleep), but because you are still physically awake it creates a more lucid dream,

Well my understanding is that there is something called a wake induced lucid dream where somebody goes directly from awake to being in the dream world.  Now the difference is that wake induced lucid dreams, although of a higher level of lucidity, are not quite as high as OBEs (OBEs are at an equal to or greater level of lucidity then when you're awake), also most wake induced lucid dreams don't occur in the persons immediate environment like OBEs do, and also the techniques for wake induced lucid dreams mostly involve internal concentration while OBE techniques mostly involve concentration on some sort of dynamic movement.  However, I'm not sure if there is a difference between high level lucidity wake induced lucid dreams and astral projections.  I believe there to be a difference but they are quite similar in that they both take place in a dream-like world.

quote:Originally posted by Eduardo Maron

Nothing is mentoned about the 'vibrations' that some one like Robert Monroe said that you must have for an OBE to happened???
Thanks
Eduardo

Vibrations don't necessarily mean OBEs.  They do often coincide with OBEs however many people have had OBEs without vibrations and I plus many others have experience vibrations without any conscious OBE.

quote:Originally posted by dkj400

quote:note to self: remember to induce OBE in next lucid dream!

Yeah, you just completely forget about everything. It doesn't help much when your surrounded be Anime babes []

[]Actually I don't do that sort of thing in my lucid dreams, however every guy I know who has them does.  I probably couldn't even if I wanted to, I've had seven lucid dreams since I've started trying(even though I've only been trying since the ending of January or the beginning of this month) and just last night had my first vivid one (which was interupted by my dad) and still my control is really low.  I tried to get a samurai sword and instead got a dagger with a one inch long blade (you heard me) and several demons to fight with it.  I tried again and I got an ice pick, which I tried to manually mutate into a samurai sword and by the time I woke up it was still a blunt double-edged sword.

If you knew about light and colours then you would know that light of certain colours bounce off certain objects causing us to see a colour.  Now a less known fact is that the colour of light that bounces off this object is the opposite colour we see.  In my opinion colour auras are in fact seeing the colour of light bouncing off the object.  Mind you this is still out of the average spectrum humans can see so it is something[].  

EDIT: Mind you for this to be true then you wouldn't be able to see black colour auras because black is the absense of light and colour.  White is of course no light bouncing off of it and black is all colours=white light bouncing off of it.  Have you ever seen a black colour aura?  Mind you life auras are most likely actually seeing energy.

When I first started out I got that in both my feet, however it didn't have that pressure (I do get some pain though from time to time.)  It passed after awhile though.  Sorry I didn't pay closer attention to what happened to stop it but I think that you might want to try NEW.[|)]

Thank you!  To give you some advice, make sure your eyes are relaxed and not darting around randomly.  I believe that somebody mentioned putting a hot cloth on your eyes to help them relax.  Also you don't really have to do it from an awake state, you can catch yourself as your waking up and start relaxing again (the mind and body has an easier time relaxing when it has just been relaxed shortly before) or you could induce an OBE through a lucid dream... (note to self: remember to induce OBE in next lucid dream![xx(])

After doing some reading I would have to say that the hypnagogic imagery was more like an astral screen, my first experience with this effect.  Next time I'll try going into screen and then perhaps I'll have an astral projection!  However I would probably prefer to be OOB in my house for awhile before I go to the astral, does trying to go into the screen make you go into the astral counterpart of the screen or would you be able to just OBE into your house through it?  If not then was what I was doing the right way to go into a an OBE through it?  Also please give any comments on my experience.[]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be forceful or anything.  You see I thought you meant that you thought I was saying that you actually went through the crack and I was just trying to better explain myself.[|)]

What I'm saying is that when you put part of your body through a crack it may seem easier to have the rest of your body go through the object itself.  Once you've gone through objects a couple of times by using confidence boosters like this crack method then you should have an easier time doing it more naturally.  I hope that is understandable[].  Oh yes and try to push on the object while thinking of it as slime may work.

I realized that, I was just thinking that perhaps you're not keeping your intent and just trying to go through and that maybe you weren't pushing and just kind of trying to step through it casually.  Now that may work for some people and should work for all eventually but at first you should do as I said.  Sorry that I wasted your time with that part but how about the crack method I mentioned?

Well my understanding is that it's like objects have a "skin."  You push on the object and after the initial push you break through this "skin" and from there on it's like a slime until the next "skin."  Oh and also if you have a crack there that you can only fit part of your body through then stick that part of your body through first because it seems that showing yourself that part of you is already around this barrier that you can in fact get to that other part of you easily.  Try these techniques and see how they work.  After a couple of confidence boosters you should be able to do it much more naturally.  If it's anything like dream phasing then it should work, in one lucid dream I did the pushing thing with my hand on the other side and that's what it was like, skin with slime in the middle but the skin was only thicker slime that could be fairly easily pushed through.  You just have to keep your intent to go through it while pushing too.  Hope that helps.