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namaste,
        i havent been on the forums for a couple of years....but that was absolutely beautiful.  thank you, and thank you to the soul who passed for sharing this.

Ok, i am unable to read anymore posts on this thread for some reason.....how synchronistic....what does it mean?  i would really like to read some of your responses to my last post....i will start another thread and if its not too much trouble for those of you who have posted, would you repost your replies from my last post with actual content?  Many thanks, shadowdancer

checking something out.

Namaste,
        hmm.....hlv, human living vampire....i have found that this can be a good description(excluding those who consciously feel the need for blood)for most people within western culture, especially the US.  Too much junk food, TV, not enough exercise, no meditation...you get the idea.  Ok, so this is in a sense, a "coming out" for me.  I do believe we are actually in the thick of a "demon war".  In a very literal and externalized sense.  See, the problem with people and their absolute disbelief that such a thing could happen, let alone consider seriously the possibility that it is happening....rests within the other side of the demon war coin.  for me, this is how it works:  Every action we take, ever decision we make, every thought we create; all these things have an instantaneous and irreversible effect upon our environment.  Our thoughts have a strong effect upon how we see the world, what we call toward us for life experiences and what we emanate out into the world, our projections of who we are as an individuated consciousness.  We can see instantaneously how anger, fear, hatred and ignorance and other base thought/emotions can create reactions in other people and animals.  Approach a dog in a state of fear and they are going to be very wary of you, because your primary consciousness is operating on a level of survival, meaning you may be more ready to take action that is based on the "kill or be killed" vibration....dogs don't feel really comfortable with that.  The decisions and actions we make and take are also instantaneously manifested...but they also carry subtle vibrations and unseen connections that are not readily seen.  For example,  do you eat meat?  If so, do you hunt that animal?  Honor it up in a high spiritual fashion as it is decreed by the natural laws of Gaia?(some may debate and question this, but i don't care, keep it to yourself, i will give other examples)  When we go to eat at McDonald's we are not only giving our money=energy=spirit=free will, to support the tortuous lives and deaths of millions of cows, but we also are tangentially supporting the destruction of the rain forest, the continuation of greenhouse gasses buildup; in actuality, if you bought McDonald's in the 80's as I did, you were inadvertently supporting partied in South Africa, as Coca-Cola and McDonald's are part of the same multinational corporate conglomerate and Coca-Cola financially contributed to the South African regime at that time.  (something specifically left out in the 2nd "Lethal Weapon" installment)  The clothes that you buy, where do they come from?  made by 12 and 13 year old girls in India or elsewhere that dip their hands in the highly carcinogous and cancer-causing dyes to make that shirt look pretty?  how does it feel to wear those carcinogens?  what about your shoes?  or your computer?  even the process of recycling paper wastes has been developed here in the states to produce more wastes that are of a higher level of toxicity that before recycling.  Basically, by being boring into the "privileged" life of a western consumer, everything you do, every comfort you enjoy, is causing someone(or many someones)massive amounts of suffering and pain, just to survive.  The military-prison-industrial-complex systems that are the US and western governments are populated by demons.  The demon war is on.  And it starts in each of our hearts individually.  We have to take a look at ourselves and develop a kind of willpower, spiritual muscles, unlike any that have come before us....because we live in a spiritual Babylon.  a land that praises an individual for causing pain, pushing others down to get ahead, it honors the disregard for others and ignores the essential need for community and, shoot, literally, there is a group of right-wing evangelical christians that believe that the end of the world is near, so, screw it, who cares and lets rape the environment because we are gods chosen few and we will be in heaven soon...(aka-space)

I know i have been rambling.....but my point is....check your own life first.  find out how you have been conditioned and brainwashed by those fallen angels, those demons who control the tv and media(name of a ethnic group during the time of old Babylon about 3000BC).  Search for ways to live better....organic foods, buy clothes from thrift stores as much as possible...try becoming a vegetarian...or learn the ancient art of bow-hunting.  Take up a mind/body discipline like martial arts or yoga, dancing....Make time in your day to meditate, at least 10 minutes or so.  These are the actions that will help fight the demon war NOW.  Because it is not a future event.  It is happening already.  WAKE UP.  

PS-  i will write some more about my perception of the possibilities of the syncopation of the higher vibrations of light based matter with the lower frequencies of entropic forces and the subsequent possibilities of the alterations to Newtonian physical laws and the mutation of the human genome.

[part of us]

Namaste,
    I read a response that James wrote to my thread "The Child Hero and the Demon War.  It is a brief and articulate and, for all intents and purposes, correct.  In addition, it carries energy of uncomfortability.  There are many reasons for this, many of those reasons are logical and rational.  Given this, I feel that there are other energies and reasons that, if not present in the subtext to James's gentle suggestions of censorship; then possibly present on a deeper/subtler level of vibration, passes through his words.  Or I could be completely projecting.  In the very least, I am not trying to reinterpret someone's words in an act of manipulation.  I am trying to explore a particular energy that I felt as I read James's reply to my initial post; whether that energy came from inside him, me or the general unconscious mind of humanity is a moot point.  

    I think I have a perspective that may help when taken into consideration when trying to find rhyme and reason for the obsession/belief of some that there is a kind of impending "demon war".  In this sense, I must admit to having an agenda.  My agenda is to find something that either is, or can be, directly linked in a positive, emotionally evolutionary fashion, to our daily internal emotional states, high and low.  My guiding framework in this way of looking at things is predominantly my intuition in synthesis with vast amounts of "facts".  Facts being, in this case, those little points of intersection of individual perceptions of the world.  Such as the general agreement of the sky's color, that you can die if shot by a gun, etc. etc.  Facts can be extraordinarily malleable and right now, we live with a world of "facts" that are prodominantly based upon a Newtonian physics-type paradigm.  So my point is, in exploring the possibilities of changing "facts", I will do my best to build bridges toward projected changes.  For example, I will do my best to not make any claims of the existance of some sort of supernatural power without a solid ground of "facts" that may indicate a stronger possibility of such a "powers" existance.  Granted, the "factual" nature of any "facts" are what is called "talking points".  It is understood that there will be disagreements and thus inspirational and creative debate.  Now, before I begin with my thesis, do we all feel we can have a debate without using reasoning like, "just because"?  or something as asanine as "because i am god"?......Good

    Title "Demon Wars and Social Momentum", tries to illustrate that it is war which motivates us to changes.  Throughout recorded human history, war has played a predominant and pivotal role.  We definitely have to consider that in aborigional and native cultures, they knew war, but not nearly in the way Indo-European peoples do.  Tribal cultures may have fought with each other in the hundreds and thousands....We have fought with each other in the hundreds of thousands.  
So this post is shortened a bit; I am going to try and be brief.

What is war?-- For me, on a very basic level, war is the externalization of internal conflict, on a massive scale.

Why are we, as a culture and as individuals, obsessed with war?-- I feel this is so because we as a culture and as individual people, have very few tools to be able to work with internally the schizophrenic struggle that is induced within our individual and collective psyche due to the Lie Perpetuated by the Mediatrix.  Life is not like it is in the movies or tv.  It never has been, never will be, and when you are being raped or getting the crap beat out of you by your father, there is no other "fact" that stands out more.  Life is not like TV.  The moment that a person realizes on some level that he or she has been lied to by "the whole world"; that the internal conflict begins.  

"Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace"  
     To quote from Gore Vidal; although he was referring to our current administrations(US) international policies; he was also accurate on another level.  When we externalize our internal conflict, we effectively create a potentiality for a never ending cycle of violence.  When we hurt others, or are hurt by others, we call upon the need for justice and retribution.  On a microcosmic level, we find the clan struggle.  Although this kind of violent cycle can be devastating, there comes further complication when the cycle of externalizing violence comes on a mass scale.  We start to project our inner conflict onto certain groups of people, or the world as a whole.  We feed into the military-media-industrial war machine.  The result, in the least, is a state of perpetual stress on a multiplicity of levels ranging from job security in service economies that feed off of other countries labor like the US, to dodging bullets in any number of war-torn "third-world" nations.  Which is a direct result of the service orientation of "first-world" nations.  It is this last fact that leads us back inside.  It brings us back into ourselves.  It forces us to see the connections between the way we live, our everyday existance, and the fact(of course some will argue [] this fact)that our luxury is anothers death.  Many people have seen this and are working with the internal reconciliation that every day they are in some way contributing to the world's fill of injustice, suffering and death.  They look again inside for peace.  So for me, it is looking inside, and finding peace inside.

If Peace is Internal; Should we all be Pacifists?
     This is a view that is definitely popular.  It is essential to many eastern religions associated with, or connected to in some way, Buddhism.  I have found Buddhism to be an extraordinarily lucid framework for a world-view, although I am not a Buddhist.  Personally, I do not necessarily adhere to any one particular religious system.  For me, peace is a state of consciousness...a way of being and seeing.  In addition, my agenda is to draw connections between a "demon war" and something that can help us grow and learn and evolve emotionally and interpersonally.  So, for the intent of my hypothesis, I will state that peace does not necessarily equal pacifism.

How can a "Demon War" help humanity evolve?
      So there are some of you who feel there will be an inevitable war between humans and demons manifesting in 3d reality in some fashion.  Let us play around with the subtext a bit.  Demon vs. Human.  Demon comes from the greek "genius".  Really meant a "spirit" of personal inspiration and/or madness.  So the very origin of the word we use to place on our "enemy" comes from something that is part of us.  So using the YCYOR(You Create Your Own Reality)Model, there is reconciliation between the world view of externalization of literal monster-like "demons" and our struggle with our internal emotional demons like pride, envy, self-doubt, mental obsessions and childhood traumas.  Collectively, as each generation comes after us; we pass on built up repressed energy.  Generation after generation becomes more and more severe in its reaction toward a world of lies.  What I believe is that we are seeing the first fruits of a generation of apocalyptically oriented children.  Yes, it is because of the Mediatrix.  Yes, it is because the vast majority of young boys and girls are raped and beaten at young ages.  Yes, it is because our society is as immoral as they come; murdering with one hand while pretending to be praying with the other.  There are individual, as well as collective psycho-spiritual energies at play.  If we, as people who can see the relationship between internal strife and externalized violence, can learn from(and thereby teach)others who can only see what is outside; we can all evolve together.  In the specific context of the "demon war"; what if they are right?  what if there is coming an event in which all the repressed psycho-spiritual energy releases itself through the body???  What would happen if the pain, fear and repressed darkness swept throughout the genetic code creating near instantaneous and massive structural mutations in the body....creating people who were twisted into trolls and goblin-like mutations.  and in those who have cultivated a state of inner peace???  would they mutate to externally represent the stoic and peaceful eyes of and elf?  What if....What if magickal energies will rock this planet, leaving nothing quite the same.....
     What about the war though?  Well, if there is a time when someone's repressed shadow material manifests through their physical body....I personally would find a difficult time not being overcome with hatred for the beautiful elves, what I had become twisted into a goblin-thing.....I would have to have an extraordinary sense of inner peace to be ok with being a troll, while my friends were really really beautiful..........people would start to choose sides.....fighting and war would most likely follow.  For me, this is how I carry these children's message of a Demon War in my heart.  I know that the demons of my world are within me.  I know the importance of accepting and loving my own shadows, thus giving them light.  For myself, it is through giving myself this needed light into the darker corners of my soul that I feel a greater sense of inner peace.  It is through this inner peace that I feel better prepared for whatever may come, tomorrow, the next day, 30 years from now....and the cool thing is, that I don't fear my societal obligations so much....because I know it is a Lie.  Falsehoods pass away, for the Blessed River of Maya is constantly flowing.  The Truth of the Ages sits, unmoving, like the Old Mountain.  Sometimes you can hear then whispering to each other, the way Lovers do....

Namaste,
     I just got done scanning the thread 'War of souls'.  Very interesting stuff.  I think there are many many people that have been aware of....a sense of urgency.  I was born feeling it almost 30 years ago, and I know there are a few others here on AP that are a generation or so older than I who know what I speak of.  For me, its pretty amazing, words cannot describe.  What I seek are children who know that there is 'something wicked this way comes'.....they know because they can feel it!  They may not have the over-developed vocabulary--> and <complex and nuanced symbol/lingustic nueral frameworks to work with in trying to communicate what they FEEL.  They have an extraordinarily deep and strong somatic-kinesthetic sense and understanding of their world.  They are actually starting to physically feel the subtle energies that constitute our time-space continuum.  Just as a seasoned qigong practicioner has developed a sensitivity to chi and other organic electromagnetic field matrices; these children are born with a generally higher sensitivity and awareness(thus knowing)of these energies.  
     Putting myself in a place psychologically similar to the best of my capability; I feel that it would be extraordinarily difficult to successfully verbally communicate my sensing knowledge in a lucid and elucidating manner.  I would imagine that it would be particularly difficult given certain psycho-spiritual imprinting that most male children experience in Western Judeo-Christian oriented corporatized consumer culture.  So in that we have a mixture of the need to play mystic male war-god messiah; combined with a lifetime of being encouraged to persue instant gratification and ego fulfillment above all else....what a picture!  
     Is there anyone else out there that feels, with these factors running in the background throughout a child's life....that when that child drums up enough courage to "speak out" about their percieved "true destiny", or their have some "secret knowledge" or super power...would it not take tremendous amount of courage...because really, they are simply using the language tools they have available to get across to us what they are feeling.....
     Living in a culture that is hopelessly materialistic....these kids are not only working up enough strength of will to just express how they feel, but what they are announcing....it is, according to arbitrarily enforced ideas of social norms; tantamount to announcing "I am insane!".  Not only their own insanity do they proclaim; but with pride and arrogance many adhere to their claims.  The inflated ego is surely connected to the inherant social conditioning they have undergone through the Mediatrix. Just imagine a crazed hippy that did a bit too much acid and runs around claiming his identity as Jesus(something I did do!).  That poor hippy definitely was awake, but just like waking and looking into the sun he is blinded and sees not the sun in us all.  These kids are similar, except they are born feeling the acid!  And their messiah conditioning is now not the all-loving Jesus the Lamb of God; but the all-powerful butt-kicking trenchcoat wearing Neo.  Where Jesus's strength were in being able to connect to, understand, empathize and have compassion for others, Neo's strengths lie in his friends, family and lovers all dying around him.  He is alone.  Utterly and terribly alone.  This false messiah can never listen to anyone because they don't understand how he feels!!!!  Remeber, it is that sensing capacity which in our society that is squashed in males, the feeling capacities.  This sense of isolation and alienation creates a fundamental mistrust and a twisted sense of arrogance within its victims.  (on a side note, such an archetype could be seen as an entity; in that, it is an archetype that is pushed on every male in our country(US) through the Media's Tricks.  intuitively, if Christ energy is an energy that is in all our hearts, then so is Anti-Christ energy.  it would seem as though Neo, in trying to be a Christ, but missing the point, becomes a vehicle for the Anti-Christ, anyways...)
     Aside from telling us of their own(and thus our, collective traumas and wounding; they are telling us (again, in the language they have at their disposal); "There is a Demon War coming soon!!!"  And they have adhered themselves to the Mayan Calander Long Count End Date.  So they have, as a collective unconscious, picked up on something that has some level of concentrated human intent as a date slated for the commencement of something momentous.  Just as anyone can pick up and manifest negative energy patterns, so can they positive.  Is there something positive to the 'Demon War'?  Is there something there to be considered?  Many people have predicted, in accordance with mayan, hopi and many other indigeonous prophecies, that there are to be radical changes on our planet....soon.  Many speak of disasters, natural and possibly man-made.  in general, it is spoken of as a time of many radical changes; powerful endings and powerful new beginngings.  What kind of role would a concept of a "demon war" play in the evolution of humanity?  how could this idea be integrated into our collective consciousness in a way which would be beneficial for us all?  

Namaste,
    I was just reading the kundalini topic and I found the direction quite interesting.  First, I wonder what age Moonbeam is...  The reason for my pondering is that is takes quite some time longer that 30 minutes for my energy to rebalance itself after an actual ejaculation.  At least 12 hours.  Please don't make any assumptions just yet.  I do believe that sexual activity can be quite healthy.  I guess for me to go any further, I do need to state that I feel that the male of the human species has quite a limited amount of sexual essence as oppossed to the female of the species.  Any ejaculation is a loss of energy.  Which would be the subject of my topic.  For me, I don't feel so much that I should lose energy if I ejaculate, nor do I feel it neccessary for me to atone for aeons of untold sin and become celibate.  Alas, I am striving to reconcile on many different levels, the paradoxical nature of what I perceive as my reality.  On one of these levels is the truth that Mr.Bruce speaks.  That is, if you believe that you need, should, supposed to(or many other societally or culturally placed taboo pressure terms and ideas)lose energy when you lose semen; then, and only then, will it bo so.  Another level of truth of this aspect of reality is that an individual human; existing to some extant, within a shared, or nominal reality will lose energy stores from his energy body when there is ejaculation because there are psycho-physiological "parameters" that exists to govern such action.  I intuitively feel that the truth is somewhere in between.  Meaning that if you ejaculate, there is a definite loss of biophysical energy stores, period.  With that said, the YCYOR(you create your own reality)model can tell us that, "Yes, there will be some energy dispersion(mayber a more accurate word than loss?); but it can be lessened by your mindset and attitude toward that energy flucuation.  What does anyone else think?  Namaste, shadowdancer

Namaste,
    My journey really started with the works of Crowley.  Through time, I have learned some hatha yoga and it changed my life.  Unlike my studies with Crowley and various other ceremonial magick systems, yoga and meditation seemed to give life to much of the elaborate mental systems i had developed.  For me, a physical discipline is essential now for health and well-being, and very much enhances any ceremonial or ritual magickal work.  Anyone else?

Namaste,
    Here is an essay by a guy who has become a relative underground phenomena in the past few years.  I am really interested in his work and also interested in what others think...and since this is the magick forum!...I thought "What better a place!"...so let me know what ya'll think!!


"THE UNIVERSE WANTS TO PLAY.  Those who refuse out of dry spiritual  greed & choose pure contemplation forfeit their humanity--those who refuse out of dull anguish, those who hesitate, lose their chance at divinity--those who mold themselves bland masks of Ideas & thrash around seeking some porf of their own solidity end by seeing out of dead men's eyes.

Sorcery: the systematic cultivation of enhanced consciousness or non-ordinary awareness & its deployment in the world of deeds & objects to bring about desired results.

The incremental openings of perception gradually banish the false selves, our cacophonous ghosts--the "black magic" of envy & vendetta backfires because Desire cannot be forced.  Where our knowledge of beauty harmonizes with the ludus naturae, sorcery begins.

No, not spoon-bending or horoscopy, not the Golden Dawn or make-believe shamanism, astral projection or the Satanic Mass--if it's mumbo jumbo you want go for the real stuff, banking, politics, social science--not that weak blavatskian crap.

Sorcery works at creating around itself a psychic/physical space or openings into a space of untrammeled expression--the metamorphosis of quotidian place into the angelic sphere.  This involves the manipulation of symbols (which are also things) & of people (who are also symbolic)--the archetypes supply a vocabulary for this process & therefore are treated as if they were both real & unreal, like words.  Imaginal Yoga.

The sorcerer is a Simple Realist: the world is real--but then so must consciousness be real since its effects are so tangible.  The dullard finds even wine tasteless but the sorcerer can be intoxicated by the mere sight of water.  Quality of perception defines the world of intoxication--but to sustain it & expand it to include others demands activity of a certain kind--sorcery.  Sorcery breaks no law of nature because there is no Natural Law, only the spontaneity of natura naturans, the tao.  Sorcery violates laws which seek to chain this flow--priests, kings, hierophants, mystics, scientists & shopkeepers  all brand the sorcerer enemy for threatening the power of their charade, the tensile strength of their illusory web.

A poem can act as a spell & vice versa--but sorcery refuses to be a metaphor for mere literature--it insists that symbols must cause events as well as private epiphanies.  It is not a critique but a re-making.  It rejects all eschatology & metaphysics of removal, all bleary nostalgia & strident futurismo, in favor of a paroxysm or seizure of presence.

Incense & crystal, dagger & sword, wand, robes, rum, cigars, candles, herbs like dried dreams--the virgin boy staring into a bowl of ink--wine & ganga, meat, yantras & gestures--rituals of pleasure, the garden of houris & sakis--the sorcerer climbs these snakes & ladders to a moment which is fully saturated with its own color, where mountains are mountain & trees are trees, where the body becomes all time, the beloved all space.

The tactics of ontological anarchism are rooted in this secret Art--the goals of ontological anarchism appear in its flowering.  Chaos hexes its enemies & rewards its devotees...this strange yellowing pamphlet, pseudonymous & dust-stained, reveals all...send away for one split second of eternity."

Qi Gong is a Chinese term meaning, rougly translated "energy work".  In practice, qi gong is a physical discipline consisting of gentle and flowing body movements designed to:
       
1-sensitize the conscious mind to the flow of qi throughout the   physical body.  
2-to cultivate qi; which is to perform exercises in which qi is stimulated to increase in "quatity"(as of this time, not scientifically quantifiable; but definitely physically/energetically sensed).
3-to balance the qi flow throughout the body and its constituent parts.  The balance of the bodies energy, or qi flow then produces overall bodily health and healing.  This balancing of the qi flow within the body is achieved through a combination of the results of the first two objectives of qi gong practice.  
 A-Becoming aware of areas of qi deficiency or excess
 B-Using/Moving stored qi into areas of deficiency
 C-Moving/Breaking chi(qi) "crystals" or areas of qi excess or blockage within the whole body flow.

*Buddhist Qi Gong does not so much focus upon the achievment of bodily health as much as attaining Buddhahood, or enlightenment.  Therefore, much of the energy work done is to bring as much qi as possible into the higher energy centers(Indian-Chakras), to facilitate this process.  
                                Gotta go for now.  will add more later.

Namaste,
   for posterity!

did i get anyone's attention??  is there anyone that frequents this section of ap forums that is really a qi gong practicioner...who is not an idiot?  btw, gi gong means energy work.  not "way of power" or some other crap.  and all this lousy delusional BS about cryo, pyro, gyro....what a load.  the only thing i have seen that has been exercised to any great extant is the art of A-Hole-kinesis...the art of being an moron without really meaning to...i am so ticked off....i have come about the knowledge of siddhis...yes siddhis!!!! you damn idiots!!!  that is really wtf you are talking about!!!  manifestations of siddhis within very specific parameters!!!!  ARRRRGH!  is there anyone out there that is willing to share in an educated and thoughtful and rational manner their experiences and theories without doing this whole juvenile crap.  psipog is kindof a joke...how many of you actually do tk??  please, i do believe its possible, but its like, you see cartoons do it and then you jump up in your 13yr old body and your 13yr old ego shouts to the world "I CAN FLY"!!!  please someone just answer this...i am very annoyed and disappointed with the quality of the vast majority of peoples intelligence who claim to practice "ki" or psi or whatever...what a waste...

Namaste,
    i have looked around the net a bit and found quite a few forums that speak of ki.  (please feel free to move this thread if it is miss-posted [])  What i have read so far, from the vast majority of people on most of the forums that i have come across; is that people have either no idea what the hell they speak of, or they have grossly misinformed and distorted versions of any semblance of nominal reality regarding the energy we call "ki".  So, in this thread, i wanted to propose some ideas and ask some questions.  

    First, let us define qi.  Here is reprinted a brief article that does just that, and very succinctly, by one of the world's leading authorities on the subject, Dr.Yang, Jwing-Ming.

    "It is important that you know about the progress that has been made by modern science in the study of Qi. This will keep you from getting stuck in the ancient concepts and level of understanding.
In ancient China, people had very little knowledge of electricity. They only knew from acupuncture that when a needle was inserted into the acupuncture cavities, some kind of energy other than heat was produced which often caused a shocking or a tickling sensation. It was not until the last few decades, when the Chinese people were more acquainted with electromagnetic science, that they began to recognize that this energy circulating in the body, which they called Qi, might be the same thing as what today's science calls "bioelectricity."
We must look at what modern Western science has discovered about bio?electromagnetic energy. Many bioelectricity-related reports have been published, and frequently the results are closely related to what is experienced in Chinese Qigong training and medical science. For example, during the electrophysiological research of the 1960's, several investigators discovered that bones are piezoelectric; that is, when they are stressed, mechanical energy is converted to electrical energy in the form of electric current. This might explain one of the practices of Marrow Washing Qigong in which the stress on the bones and muscles is increased in certain ways to increase the Qi circulation.
It is understood now that the human body is constructed of many different electrically conductive materials, and that it forms a living electromagnetic field and circuit. Electromagnetic energy is continuously being generated in the human body through the biochemical reaction in food and air assimilation, and circulated by the electromotive forces (EMF) generated within the body.
In addition, you are constantly being affected by external electromagnetic fields such as that of the earth, or the electrical fields generated by clouds. When you practice Chinese medicine or Qigong, you need to be aware of these outside factors and take them into account.
Countless experiments have been conducted in China, Japan, and other countries to study how external magnetic or electrical fields can affect and adjust the body's Qi field. Many acupuncturists use magnets and electricity in their treatments. They attach a magnet to the skin over a cavity and leave it there for a period of time. The magnetic field gradually affects the Qi circulation in that channel. Alternatively, they insert needles into cavities and then run an electric current through the needle to reach the Qi channels directly. Although many researchers have claimed a degree of success in their experiments, none has been able to publish any detailed and convincing proof of the results, or give a good explanation of the theory behind the experiment. As with many other attempts to explain the How and Why of acupuncture, conclu?sive proof is elusive, and many unanswered questions remain. Of course, this theory is quite new, and it will take more study and research before it is verified and completely understood.
Much of the research on the body's electrical field relates to acupuncture. For example, Dr. Robert O. Becker, author of The Body Electric, reports that the conductivity of the skin is much higher at acupuncture cav?ities, and that it is now possible to locate them precisely by measuring the skin's conductivity. Many of these reports prove that the acupuncture which has been done in China for thousands of years is reasonable and scientific.
Although the link between the theory of "the Body Electric" and the Chinese theory of Qi is becoming more accepted and better proven, there are still many questions to be answered. For example, how can the mind lead Qi (electricity)? How actually does the mind generate an EMF (electromotive force) to circulate the electricity in the body? How is the human electromagnetic field affected by the multitude of other electric fields which surround us, such as radio wiring or electrical appliances? How can we readjust our electromagnetic fields and survive in outer space or on other planets where the magnetic field is completely different from the earth's? You can see that the future of Qigong and bioelectric science is a challenging and exciting one. It is about time that we started to use modern technology to understand the inner energy world which has been for the most part ignored by Western society."

    Now, let us define that ever elusive and catch-all label for energy that can "leap tall buildings in a single bound"; jing.  Again, i will reference an article by Dr.Yang.
   
    "Jin training is a very important part of the Chinese martial arts, but there is very little writ?ten on the subject in English. Theoretically, Jin can be defined as "using the concentrated mind to lead the Qi to energize the muscles and thus manifest the power to its maximum level." From this, you can see that Jin is related to the training of the mind and Qi. That means Qigong.

Traditionally, many masters have viewed the higher levels of Jin as a secret which should only be passed down to a few trusted students. Almost all Oriental martial styles train Jin. The differences lie in the depth to which Jin is understood, in the different kinds of Jin trained, and in the range and characteristics of the emphasized Jins. For example, Tiger Claw style emphasizes hard and strong Jin, imitating the tiger's muscular strength; muscles predominate in most of the techniques. White Crane, Dragon, and Snake are softer styles, and the muscles are used relatively less. In Taijiquan and Liu He Ba Fa, the softest styles, Soft Jin is especially emphasized and muscle usage is cut down to a minimum.

The application of Jin brings us to a major difference between the Oriental martial arts and those of the West. Oriental martial arts traditionally emphasize the training of Jin, whereas this concept and training approach is relatively unknown in other parts of the world. In China, martial styles and martial artists are judged by their Jin. How deeply is Jin understood and how well is it applied? How strong and effective is it, and how is it coordinated with martial techniques? When a martial artist performs his art without Jin it is called "Flower fist and brocade leg." This is to scoff at the martial artist without Jin who is weak like a flower and soft like brocade. Like dancing, his art is beautiful but not useful.

It is also said "Train Quan and not Gong, when you get old, all emptiness." This means that if a martial artist emphasizes only the beauty and smoothness of the forms and doesn't train Gong, then when he gets old, he will have nothing. The "Gong" here means "Qigong," and refers to the cultivation of Qi and its coordina?tion with Jin to develop the latter to its maximum, and to make the techniques effective and alive. Therefore, if a martial artist learns his art without training his "Qigong" and "Jin Gong," once he gets old the techniques he has learned will be useless, because he will have lost his mus?cular strength.

Often Jin has been considered a secret transmission in Chinese martial arts society. This is so not only because it was not revealed to most students, but also because it cannot be passed down with words alone. Jin must be experienced. It is said that the master "passes down Jin." Once you feel Jin done by your master, you know what is meant and are able to work on it by yourself. Without an experienced master it is more difficult, but not impossible, to learn about Jin. There are general principles and training methods which an experienced martial artist can use to grasp the keys of this practice. If you practice patiently and with perseverence, and remember to remain humble, to question and ponder, you will no doubt be able to learn Jin and become a real master."

    now, here is my dream and my hope.  the two articles posted above in no way create a prohibition to the imagination.  to illustrate-  if qi is biochemical electromagnetic energy....then we can play with many many hypothesis of potential for the human being.  And this is where some of the thread title can be applied.  I have noticed that OBE's and astral are very much considered to be "non-physical".  and i would agree, to an extent.  for me, i have personally experienced perceptions where the dichotomous view of astral and physical were fairly completely meshed.  the subtle energies of the "astral" realm can become "physically" visible to the awakend eye.  hypothetically, if a human being could increase the vibratory rate, or the rate at which the electrons spin about the atomic nuclei, in the atoms of his or her body, if they could increase this rate, they would then be able to "see" the color indigo, for example.  indigo is just out of reach of our visible light spectrum.  and they may start to be able to actually "see" auras and energy bodies and, heck they might even be able to visually interpret the sensing of a "qi-ball".  lots and lots of hypotheticals.

    so what is my point?  well, if we look at the definition of qi and jin(g), and start from what IS known about them as energies, without jumping to fanciful ideas about power and the delusions thereof; we could really make some wonderful progress scientifically.  very much like the people of thousands of years ago went about their explorations in consciousness and energy.  but first, i also wanted to bring up a few points that may provide and explicit(cause i get the feeling that many individuals understand this implicitly)--that all things are connected...apply this to the ideas of energy body/phsyical body.  in my experience, they are more intimately connected than one may at first notice.  there is no "real" dichotomy.  so when someone talks about energy training, it may be easy for them to do so and still delude themselves with ideas of manifest power, even though they might be severly overweight and have asthma.  and vice versa, someone who is very physically active and fitness oriented my be completely insensitive to sublte energies, thus ignoring potential for further development.  both happen with a freqency that indicates a deeper issue locked within the collective subconscious mind...but that is another issue.  my point is, if you want to get the most out of training your energy body, you also HAVE TO train your phsyical body.  sure sure, there are examples of people who are relatively heavy set---but here is the difference--they are HEALTHY.  weight is not necessarily an indication of health.  but eating habits are, time spent with the physical body in non-dynamic states is, mental and emotional consumptive habits are as well.  each of these issues we must all work with in our own way....are some people getting defensive?  i ask the question in a way to say, it is a whole life issue.  how you live your life.  what you live for.  you get the idea.  anyway, last thing i wanted to bring up is the idea of siddhis and how these connect to the hypothetical potentials of ki training.  oh, there is no difference between your chakras and ki.  think about it.  same flow, chakras are just a way of saying "this is where a vortex of this same life energy seats itself".  so chakra work is all part of it.  man, i know there are alot of things here...i am really interested in hearing replies.  thanks, namaste

Namaste,
    the quote that you give from the article reminds me of something Terrence McKenna talked about.  Some of his experiences with certain organic psychotropics, he talked about how one of the important points of radical change in world-view, essential to human evolution, is for humans to start being able to handle enough personal responsibility for personal though, action and feeling.  They talk about becoming, or achieving buddhahood.  For McKenna, it was more like standing in equal understanding of the "Gods & Goddesses", and equal respect.      namaste

Namaste,
    very interesting indeed...i see some lies though...seriously.  its the Mediatrix!!  check this out:  they state that the cave was originally carved(or maybe expanded upon from a fissure that already naturally existed?)at around 500-800 B.C....which is about 500 to 700 years after the projected estimate of the time of Moses(approx 1000-1500 B.C.; a margin of 500 years!!)  Which means that it was being used for very different ritual as when John the Baptist may have been using it...a 500 to 800 years difference in culture here!!  i have found some maps on the net...one is a map of the differenct cultures around the mid-east/semi-mediterranean/southwestern siberian steppes map.  the map is of the exact same time period of when they state that the cave was first "made"; approximately 500 B.C.  The cultures that were present during that time period were very different from the

quote:the Israelites in the Iron Age

.  The area was populated by not really by Jews but it was the home of the Achaemenid Empire and the expansion of Assyrian and Persian Empires.  Jews as a distinc ethnic and religious group of people simply did not exist, let alone "Isreal".  What this means is that there are radically different possibilities for the creation(or expansion of)"John's" cave.  One of these is that of Zoroastrianism, or the religion of Zarathustra...which views and beliefs(such as angels, heaven, an evil power like satan, a coming messiah(or saviour!) and the literal impending "end of the world".  this was the state religion of Cyrus the Great!  
       Now, combine all of the information above with the statement that the carvings in the cave have been dated to around the 14th century!!  We are looking at the middle ages, or crusades!!!  So what we really know is that there were a group of Europeans that discovered the cave during one of the Crusades (most likely as lots of Europeans physically travelling to and from the area) and they believed, it seems, that the cave was used by john the baptist....what were the origins of the cave and its real intended use from the time it was carved out of the hill?

Namaste,
    so the Dept. of Homeland Insecurity was recommending that surfers switch away from microsoft internet explorer to another browser?  what was their reasoning for this?  Did you say that Mozilla does not allow pop-up downloads and is not compatabile with spyware programs like backweb?  trying to understand...  namaste

Namaste,
    i think that this topic is better left to a more "protected" atmosphere...for example, a qigong master doesnt go around advertising lots of damaging ways to apply chi/qi...
    on that note darkheaven, i think that there are only a certain number of different ways to psychically drain someone as there is possibilities in one's imagination.  once you get the basic idea of how it is done, ie-the plutonian "why", or what is a person's basic need or intention for an attempted energy draining of another person; then protection and preventative measures are quite easy and practical.  my 2 sense.  namaste

Namaste,
    fun, i dont want to discourage you, but...please send out prayers for someone who can help you stabilize yourself during this period.  continued human touch and contact are especially important...
 send out those energetic feelers for someone or something that can help you ground...a very wise man from India once told me of kundalini, (which i have awakened and work with everyday).... quote "you have to grab a snake by the head or the tail.  if you try to grab its middle you will get bitten."

what i took this to mean is that either you have to be very very grounded in whatever practice you have(being around people, doing everyday things, ie-carry water, chop wood kind of stuff); or become very devoted to serving whatever your idea of God may be.

Namaste,
     there is a process that is quite common in archaic healing(think greek)...its today known as psychic surgery.  in my honest opinion it is probably the most stupid and unwise thing to practice.  and i have done just that.  in fact, i did it not knowing that was what i was doing.  its an ancient healing tech....ya know, the further you go back, the more you find that all those healing things people used to do were, or are, very capable of doing massive damage....psychic surgery is a great example....basically you have to have the ability to enter into a state of dharana(one-pointedness of mind)and then you start slicing up someones consciousness.....shrug.  things can be so ambiguous.  refer-> intent...  
     basically, what i have found is that you need the ability to steady the mind, or achieve dharana before you enter into any intense energy work, or you end up screwed and screwed up.  thats me 2 sense.   namaste

Namaste,
    ummm, ladies and gents, i do believe that coben was attempting(quite well, judging by the responses!) a bit of satire......anywho,

OAZAKI!! i have a question!!!  why do you call yourself human crap? [:O][:O][:O]

Namaste,
    i am a curious person.  so i looked into the origins of oazaki.  
oazaki is japanese.  it means "night soil"; or "human excreta as fertilizer"  .............odd.

Namaste,
    you have posed a really good question mikel....how indeed.  well, i think, just as a safety measure, i will remind myself that, i too, have 1st chakra issues as well.  basically, i want to be sure that i am coming from a place that i am not placing myself in unnecessary dualistic dialectic analysis based upon my inability to emotionally empathise.  with that said, i don't really have, nor do i think there even really exists any single "answer" for each individual's healing process.  one thing i feel fairly certain of is, if we start to condsider the use of applied force in order to redirect the will of another, in an attempt to facilitate the healing process....we inevitably rob peter to pay paul.(it was the closest metaphor i could think of, my apologies)  We end up damaging those individuals we are trying to help.  I do know there are a gazillion options out there for a person to choose from in order to facilitate the healing process...although i feel that the subject i am discussing is at once, tangental(i.e.-the healing process), and at the same time, frustratingly essential(i.e.-the healing process).....hmmm....better off for a different thread.  So that's my two cents on that

[The AlphaOmega Posted - 25 July 2004 : 17:10:52]

Namaste,
    Thanks everyone for your input  I am currently working on a paper which will detail a hypothesis of mine that is connected to the ideas of a 'demon war', but not centered around, necessarily, that theme.  In the meantime;    
   
The AlphaOmega Posted - 25 July 2004 : 17:10:52          
       

quote:There is no demon war

    Your statement has a level of probability. <--What I just said means nothing.  Really, imho, it all depends upon how you see things.  If you are referring to a nexus in time and space in which there exist entities which are "normally" incorporeal, and said entities become suddenly corporeal(or in the very least are able to affect changes within the time/space continuum(3D); and wage a war upon humans.....it has a level of probability.  On the other hand, if you are referring to a nexus in time and space wherein humans are forced to acknowledge and unconditionally accept the "demons" or "shadows" that have been all locked up under the basement stairs of our hearts, or those very repressed wounds and unassimilated shadows destroy us; en masse, as if a war had ravaged the Earth.....it has a level of probability.  


runlola Posted - 25 July 2004 : 21:37:10
 

quote:Call it something other than demon war. This is just a metaphor for the upcoming alien war. lol. So call it the alien war or children against the negative dark collective. Whatever. This is too entertaining to snuff out. I am not above entertainment. If you still get grief, then publish a book about it, don't waste it here.  

   
    Thanks for the encouragement.  Entertainment is really, really much more important that I realized....It is the stories of our Ancestors that were our entertainment.  We learned too, but not without vicariously experiencing the emotional highs and lows of the mythical characters and ancestral heros and heroines that spoke of the human condition through campfire fairy tales and ghost stories.  A book...hmmm....

James S Posted - 25 July 2004 : 23:53:02
 

quote:Shadowdancer,

Your post is intelligent and well researched.
I'm interested in seeing where you go with this.

I can see now where the term "demon war" fits in with your thoughts. Seeing you make references to The Matrix, it's rather appropriate to make references to a somewhat over used popular theory such as the demon war concept.

I do agree more with the thought that this "war" is more an internal battle than an external one.

James.

    Thanks for the nods  For me, the ideas of art, imitation, and life(which ever way you stack them)are central to the need for us(humans in general, "westerners" more specifically, and young people to be particularly detailed) to reclaim our Art.  The Wachowski(sp?)Brothers who wrote and directed to Matrix trilogy deserve everything they get and no mal intent is directed toward them.  In many ways, they, like many other young, creative people striving to make it big, to escape from the soul-crushing 9-5, are really reaching deep inside themselves in order to hopefully interest some huge multinational conglomerate to buy whatever they have.  I do not blame them for that.  Or for anything really.  In fact, for me, blame is a concept that is not so useful and any context.  Why do I bring up blame in the first place?  Well, just as the parents of that poor trailer trash kid who lit up his momma's home in a deadly comical mimicry of 'Beevis and Butthead', we have how many hundreds of Neo/Oazaki's out there?  What I see the essential problem being is not enough education.  Not to equate that with information.  We need to be able to teach people qualities, concepts and ideas that are really shunted aside in the mass mediatrix.  While Beevis and Butthead were violent, destructive, disrespectful, sex-obsessed, mentally retarded little boys; the question of why? is never asked.  the alcoholic and abusive parents who were never there for them when they were needed...school officials who never listened and only wanted obedience...the endless hours of bathing in the cathode ray....Never really even thought to ask....because everything those two kids did was so damn amusing.(cause it's not me!) Neo as the "one" is nearly completely devoid of a 'why?' ever being posed.  The 'why?'s' presented throughout the trilogy are all Maya-related.  Meaning they pertain to the exoteric aspects of Neo's reality.  We never see neo in a period of deep introspection, nor do we ever hear him voice and inner conflicts with his destined role to any of his comrades...even trinity.  We do see Neo looking a bit confused at times(is it neo we see, or Keanu just being himself?), and in the first installment, quite panicked...but never is it found out why....Morpheus's vision....What was it exactly?  And how did it lead him to believe that one person would save his world?  Why didn't Morpheus have a vision of a woman?  or a group of people working together?  
    James, kids today are very aware,(of which you are more than likely aware)particularly if you find them here on AP.  I think that as people trying our best to be mature...it is really important that we not shy away from, ban or censor their need to express themselves....I came down very hard on some kids here on AP about a year or so ago when I first registered.  They were of course claiming some sort of dragonball powers...I was so frustrated....here i was, having spent years of my life searching for a strong, scientifically oriented theoretical base with which to understand and communicate my own experiences with siddhis and other phenomena...and these kids were just plain liars as far as i was concerned.  but man, kids do that.  they lie.  they exaggerate and make claims that are more imagination than nominal reality.  my point here is:  we have got to try and use the dis/misinformation that young people ingest through the mediatrix, to use that excitement and awe of the whole matrix thing, to get them to do work.  hehe.  spiritual chores.  so young neo, you want to fly and shoot fireballs?  well, sit down, shut up and be patient!  That's all for now man.  One Love

mikel Posted - 27 July 2004 : 14:01:28
 

quote:shadowdancer



If the core energy of an individual is being threatened, for example survival energy or base chakra energy or red energy, then do you expect those individuals who see this as an intregal part of themselves as gladly accepting the removal of this energy from all of creation? Does it surprise you that they resent and reject the notion that who they are at the core level should be taken out of creation after all survival is the main instruction of this energy? Individual survival does not believe that trust or cooperation is a part of survival nor do they support the idea of what is best for all is best for them. They struggle instead to be first in line, to keep thier job no matter how much they have to lie or connive to sacrifice others so that they are succesful. Any attempt to change this universe to peace and harmony then are acts of war to them hence their struggle. All the rhetoric then of war stems from the defensive posturing that these individuals are using in thier attempt to develop support from individuals with other core energies. They hope that painting the events going on in the spirit world as bad and unloving they can maintain the status quo instead of accepting and participating in the change that is evolving.

Namaste mikel,
   thanks for the reply  although i am not sure that i understand what you are saying....are you saying those who believe in a 'demon war' are of the temperment you describe?  if i am on the wrong track here, i will await your correction.  if i am correctly interpreting your statements, i must say that i feel there are those who behave in the way you describe, and i would agree that their behaviour is definitely connected to, but not limited to 1st chakra issues.  they are, from my experience, in a perpetual state of fear for survival.  this i feel is purposeful on the part of government and corporate institutions....it keeps the masses busy.  although, in relating what you say to children who believe in a demon war....i can definitely see the relation to 1st chakra issues and a need to place oneself in a fantasy reality in which they are pitted against their inhuman foes.  but this is really a good reason to reach out to them...before they start pushing, shoving and clamoring for their piece of the pie.


Adam Posted - 26 July 2004 : 19:17:13

quote:Shadow Dancer - love your signature. It pretty well
               sums up how I've felt for a while

Logic Posted - 27 July 2004 : 19:47:13      
     

quote:I thought that to be a Terence McKenna quote,
               but perhaps I am mistaken.

Thanks Adam, I feel like most of the time i am treading water!!

Logic, if you find that it is Terrence, let me know, i would be happy to correct it

I look forward to replies!

Namaste,
    I was going to make this a 2-part post; with my intention being to draw a picture of likely environmental factors the have influenced children on a individual psychological way; orienting them toward the hero/messiah drive.  My second post, as i have edited, was intended to be not necessarily a "clearing up of misconceptions regarding the coming Earth changes"; although that was the way I did initially phrase it.  My intention was more to present my theories about possible changes to the fabric of reality during this time.  More specifically, some of the more outrageous claims, like the ability to perform "Matrix-like" feats of Newtonian physics defying martial arts.  Just about any "tech" from any number of hundreds of anime shows would be included in such a discussion.  I really wanted to try and look at those things and then try to look into the world as-it-is right now and see if we could find any evidence of these things even in remote possibility.  In addition, I wanted to discuss the connections to our everyday emotional lives that such radical changes in the nature of our everyday reality might have.  What purpose in human evolution would it serve if we could, in short order, achieve the level of manifestable power of a "Neo" or a fantasy wizard?  

Namaste,
    Oazaki, in taoist alchemy, the chakra at the base of the skull is associated with some kind of glandular "pump"...one sec, ok, this is taken from Mantak Chia's book "Awaken Healing Light of the Tao":  

    "The Jade Pillow lies at the opening of the base of the skull, above the first cervical vertebra.  It is part of the cranial pump that draws spinal fluid and Chi upward.  This area also houses the cerebellum and medulla oblongata, which are responsible for functions such as heartbeat, respiration , and muscle coordination......."
    "The Jade Pillow controls the breath.  The small brain point controls breathing, and when it opens, breathing patterns can change.  Sometimes it makes you breath heavily, or slowly in long cycles.  It can also cause the body to jerk uncontrolllably, or it can even stop the breathing for a while.  If something troublesome occurs, you can mentally tell yourself to stop at that moment and change the breathing pattern, or practice the Microcosmic Orbit, and the pattern should change."
     "The Jade Pillow activates the back part of the 'cranial pump'.  This point is also part of the cranial pump.  When you pull in the chin slighty toward the back of the neck and up toward the top of the skull, stretching the neck backward and upawrd, the space above the first cervical vertebra widens.  This activates the Jade Pillow and stimulates the back part of the cranial pump, which sends cerebrospinal fluid, as well as chi, into the brain."

Namaste,
    I have expressed harsh opinions about "dbzers" and people with difficulty differentiating subjective fantasies and nominal reality.  With that said; I do not feel that there is ultimately any difference between the two, for truely, they are one.  With that said there are flows and fluxes of the sine wave of life and consciousness.  So we bob up and down, momentarily breaking the surface tension of the water to oxygen of the ap and "waking" life.  With that said, i have been shown really really closely, a much more(as far as i can say atm)"scientific" perspective of those siddhis(supernatural powers, or literally "perfections").  Once, within dreamtime, i was given an experience and a taste of what can be manifested within these times on Earth.  In particular, it was a 5th dimensional martial art form.  Its name was given to me and it is significant.  I don't want to say much more, for I am already speaking of something that not yet is.  From what I understand, it is a combative art form designed to use a persons awareness, meditative focus, and physical/energy body potential to attack and defend from an other, but also, just as the internal martial arts and sisters to chinese medicine, it provides a framework to develope miraculous healing abilities and the abilities to transmute matter.  I its absolutely amazing to me to see children who are children, and sometimes extraordinarily arrogant ones at that, also be very ancient souls struggling to collectively remember these sciences of a higher dimensional nature.  And it is in that which essentially rests my only encompassing criticism of radki explorers.  There is very little, if any, scientific methods of experimentation, recording of all necessary data, theorizing and working toward the ability to demonstrate aformentioned phenomena.  Two things that may rememdy thus, are really one thing.  Well first, discipline and focus of mind are essential for scientific exploration.  Secondly, there are; from what I understand and to some extent, have experienced; long periods of disciplined training the physical, mental and emotional bodies in order to reach a state of energetic "fullness" that would provide fruitful research and experimentation.  I share the view that these things are not only possible, but that the ARE.  With the cultivation of humility, discipline and compassion, the scientific and technological quantum leaps of the 21st century are going to be of a whole new dimension that what we have known for a long long time.   thanks