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This is taken from the Desire of Ages. An Adventist prophetic work.

All who have been born into the heavenly family are in a special sense the brethren of our Lord. The love of Christ binds together the members of His family, and wherever that love is made manifest there the divine relationship is revealed. "Everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." 1 John 4:7.

Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God.

How surprised and gladdened will be the lowly among the nations, and among the heathen, to hear from the lips of the Saviour, "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me"! How glad will be the heart of Infinite Love as His followers look up with surprise and joy at His words of approval!

Judge sentences own son to death for another man's crime.
By John D. Johnson, Affiliated Press Writer
ALBANY, NEW YORK. – A New York State Supreme court judge sentenced his one and only son to death under New York State Law on Tuesday. In a decision that shocked the nation, but no one more than his own son, Judge Juan Lionella handed the verdict to his son Emmanuel J. Lionella. The guilty party in the case was Mark D. Slostium of Columbus, Ohio who had a rap sheet too long too list in this article. But the charges ranged from perjury to murder. Although the judge's son did not know the guilty party, he had observed him for quite some time as he lived very near to the criminal. In fact the criminal Mr. Slostium had committed many of his crimes against Emmanuel. Never the less, Emmanuel had such a great love for fellow humans he volunteered to take the place of Mr. Slostium even though he himself was not guilty of any crime. Those who knew Emmanuel say he was a picture of God. He was always helping people whenever he could and no one had even seen him tell even the smallest of lies. His neighbor Fred Bancroft said, "Emmanuel was the most gentle and compassionate man I ever knew. He had such a deep love of every human being in him. It's a shame to see this happen."
The judge wasted no time in completing the execution. Three days later on Friday the execution of an innocent man took place. Witnesses at the Albany City Jail say that Emmanuel was so nervous and stressed the night before the execution that he was actually sweating blood. According to Thomas P. Lindherst, MD with The University of New York Medical Center, there are a few documented cases of people sweating blood under extreme stress. The moments which lead up to the execution were no picnic for Emmanuel either. The crowd that gathered actually taunted and tormented Emmanuel as if he was the real guilty party. They failed to see the great love that he had for all. The judge's son pleaded with his father three times in the moments preceding his death. Yet he finally accepted the penalty and his final words were "Not my will father, but your will." He was also heard saying by a witness "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
Judge Lionella was not a mean man according to colleagues and friends." He shared the most wonderful relationship with his son." according to District Attorney Linda Listone. "He would spend all of his time and money on his son", she said, "and he loved him more than life itself. He must have had some great purpose to give up such a treasure in his life." Others who were interviewed reflected the exact same sentiments.
The real guilty party Mr. Slostium seemed as his same cold and callous self for a few days according to his friends. But then after much time to contemplate he realized something so great. "What kind of man would lay his own life down for me? I was the one who should have died that day! But now because he died, I can live!! And I have nothing but a thankful heart for the compassion of Judge Lionella who gave up his only son for me." Mr. Slostium was seen this morning at the judge's feet in front of the courthouse asking him for forgiveness. The judge apparently picked him up, embraced him and forgave him! What kind of love is that?

This article you just read is a fabrication that represents a great truth. The judge represents God the Father. His son Emmanuel represents Jesus Christ. Mr. Slostium represents every human being including you. God sent his only son Jesus Christ into the world out of paradise to accept the punishment for the sins of all men and women who ever lived! "The wages of sin is death", according to the bible. All sin must be atoned for with a blood sacrifice. Jesus was perfect and never sinned and he therefore was the perfect blood sacrifice. He was as pure as snow and the shedding of His blood covers your sin. Jesus died so that you could live!! He paid the price for you! All you need to do is to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. He was God in the flesh. You need to believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and that on the third day he rose again and sits at the right hand of God! You need to admit that you have sinned against God. The bible says that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." You need to ask God to forgive you and repent or turn from your sinful way. You need to ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and he will at that moment! God will immediately forgive you and give you His Holy Spirit to live inside of you. He will help you turn from your sin. You then need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. ! You will have the gift of eternal life so that what we call "death" will only be the entry point into eternity spent with God! If you want to experience this now you can. Just pray to God. Get down on your knees and acknowledge to God all of what I just said above. Just like in the news story God is waiting to embrace you and forgive you!
Written by Bill Caine
Upper Sandusky, OH

Well it is pretty apparent that you believe the Truth is hidden among the symbolism of all ancient religions. You could go so far as to hypothesize that most religions today are a result of borrowed concepts from the sumerian culture in a lot of respects.

So my question is.....

Do you believe that we are a creation of "aliens" or some such notion? Do you believe in the serpent bloodlines?

Just curious.

Since we have a lot of theosophists and esoteric believers here I am curious as to who here has ever done Amanita Muscaria or the Vine of the Dead? Even though this is more in the field of the shaman.

Just curious.[^]

I think if more people knew of this method of looking within there would be a different tune sung for the most part.

1. The meaning and usage of the term 'LHP' in the West
"Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path"
The Satanic Bible, Book Of Lucifer 3:paragraph 30

The Left Hand Path is solitary, individualistic, personal, based on self development, self analysis, self empowerment. Altruism is materialistically equated as long term selfishness. I think all forms of Satanism are considered Left Hand Path, even Devil Worship and inverse Christian-Satanists are Left Hand Path, although they are frequently considered deluded. Frequently called "evil" and "dark" by non Satanic religions, the followers of the left hand path often have had to remain in the darkness or face severe persecution from the religions that ironically call themselves "good". This is testimony enough that the image of the purely "good" icons is a veneer; a non-truth.

Features of LHP philosophies frequently include:

Emphasis on freethought, not dogma or strict systems.
Highly individualistic
A distinct rejection of absolutes and moralism
Personal, not universal.
Freethought, Individualism and moral relativism
Left Hand Path philosophies all have an emphasis on freethought; not dogma or strict systems. The "rules" in LHP religions are frequently merely "guidelines". The same attitude it applied to all knowledge, including that of the knowledge of reality and morals. Subjectivism and relativism are almost universally assumed amongst followers of the left hand path.

Personal Belief, not Universal
Left Hand Path philosophies do not claim that they are the best religion for all people and frequently claim they are only a valid religion for some people. "Satanists are born, not made" Anton LaVey. Satanism and the LHP is striking for the lack of missionizing. This is probably the result of the admission that no religion, philosophy or belief system is suitable for all people.

Sounds a lot like what most here believe without the "Satan".

The Islamic Prophet Muhammed and his wonderful works!


http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3950 Muhammad and the beating of women
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=4056 Muhammad and sex with a 9 year old
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=4166 Muhammad and the murder of Asma bint Marwan
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=4029 Muhammad and the torture and murder of Kinana
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3947 Muhammad and the murder of Abu Afak
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=2680 Was Muhammad a role model?

I am not going to post anymore dogma. It does no good and gives a lot of people here hiker's diarhea.

The topic of this post is the Christ within.

Has anyone here ever projected and thought to themselves that...

I AM JESUS!!! I REALLY AM HIM!!!

Has anyone ever had this experience? Like it is the secret that no one ever wants to share.

Comments welcome.

Back in the old days every time I would have a major projection experience one thing always would happen to me after.

I would hear in my ears what sounded like a bunch of buddhist monks coupled with a huge bell vibrating very long and slow. Sometimes I would just really wonder what the hell it was because it always happend after I came back to baseline.

Anyone ever hear this type of thing?

Listen Chief,

If you look closely you will see that the topic of this particular folder in the Astral Post is CHRISTIANITY.

You locked my "Challenge to APers" post when it is in the correct hole and was meant as a true test for open minded projectors.

Your locking of that post was not right.

I am sure even those here that love me so much would agree that the post was in the right place and I even had a positive response from a few people on that one.

Please reconsider your [] lock down. []

Thank You

Ok,

[?] I am curious as to who here believes in the physical resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ as an actual event [?]

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Being as most here have experience with projection I have a challenge for you to try if you feel the need. If not that is fine. No hurtful replies are needed.

First ask the Holy Spirit to be your "guide" on this adventure. Get in your usual meditative posture or lay down on your bed. Whatever works for you.

As you "leave" your body try to go to the time and place of the crucifixtion. Use your imagination to feel, hear, taste, smell the surroundings and the people, animals that may be present. As you begin to settle in the enviroment focus your attention on Christ as He carries the Cross to the summot on the hill. Picture His eyes and the Way the burden is dealt with. See Him being pounded to the Cross and the blood as it flows like Holy Water. I suggest a reading of the Gospels for some of the dialog as well. Use your imagination and your hearts as you try to "understand" why so many choose to place this as the most important Act that has ever occurred in the History of the Universe.

If you feel any success with this technique I urge you to place your mind now at the Victory and Resurrection of Christ as He conquers death itself. Pay attention to the details of His physical body and keep your hearts open to what you may find.

Once again if you dont want to take this challenge that is fine. I am sure many here far surpass my abilities to project and I am curious as to the end result of placing your faith in an experience such as this.

Do you feel, Love, Hope, Peace?

Or detachment, sadness and dispair?

I am seriously curious on this matter so only those that have an open mind respond please!!

If you disagree here fine but no need for debate here or conflict.

Just the end result of the projection and the challenge.

Thank You and God Bless.

Being as most here have experience with projection I have a challenge for you to try if you feel the need. If not that is fine. No hurtful replies are needed.

First ask the Holy Spirit to be your "guide" on this adventure. Get in your usual meditative posture or lay down on your bed. Whatever works for you.

As you "leave" your body try to go to the time and place of the crucifixtion. Use your imagination to feel, hear, taste, smell the surroundings and the people, animals that may be present. As you begin to settle in the enviroment focus your attention on Christ as He carries the Cross to the summot on the hill. Picture His eyes and the Way the burden is dealt with. See Him being pounded to the Cross and the blood as it flows like Holy Water. I suggest a reading of the Gospels for some of the dialog as well. Use your imagination and your hearts as you try to "understand" why so many choose to place this as the most important Act that has ever occurred in the History of the Universe.

If you feel any success with this technique I urge you to place your mind now at the Victory and Resurrection of Christ as He conquers death itself. Pay attention to the details of His physical body and keep your hearts open to what you may find.

Once again if you dont want to take this challenge that is fine. I am sure many here far surpass my abilities to project and I am curious as to the end result of placing your faith in an experience such as this.

Do you feel, Love, Hope, Peace?

Or detachment, sadness and dispair?

I am seriously curious on this matter so only those that have an open mind respond please!!

If you disagree here fine but no need for debate here or conflict.

Just the end result of the projection and the challenge.

Thank You and God Bless.

I remember one time I was in Hunington Beach California on vacation.

My friend was getting a tatoo and I was along for the ride. I remember going in to the parlor and seeing that there were many, many books that dealt with philosophy and religons.

At this time in my life I was delving into the eastern religons looking for Truth. I had not found Christ yet.

Anyways I remember striking up a conversation with the tatoo guy and telling him that all religons if followed earnestly would result in Truth.

He told me differently.

He told me of a buddy of his that had been a Truth seeker for ten years. He had read all the books and tried all the practices. He had tatooed his whole body up in an attempt to distance himself from the world and the madness. At the end of it all he came to the conclusion that we are a creation of aliens and that there was no Hope.

He decided to kill himself.

He had a loaded shotgun or something to this affect and was ready to embrace death when he saw that a Bible was on the floor of his home. For some reason or another he picked it up. He did not tell me what he read first but all I remember was that he cried his heart out because Christ had FOUND HIM!

This man is another example of a Truth seeker finally finding peace in Jesus Christ. A man that tried it all and did it with intentions for Truth.

He was not disapointed.

The Lord had mercy on Him as He does on us all.

I read a book about a Truth seeker once.

In it the writer decided to give himself to the east and to the path of meditation to find the Truth. He spent a couple years at this sect and embraced the eastern way of life in the best way he possible could.

He found only dispair.

All the meditation and all the chants would not give him inner peace. He decided at the end of his stay that there was no Truth and that there was no Way.

He found that the point of life is that there is no point.

Is this what you hope to find by embracing the circular false religons of east? Is this the Noble Truth you so desperately claw for in your projections and meditations?

The Dali Llama was asked a very imporatant question once. "What would it mean to the Buddhist ideology if it was found out that reincarntion was not True?"

He responded that "buddhism would have to change".

There is no rock solid Truth in these new/old age religious belief systems because they are still searching. They are still doing all they can to find the Truth. They are looking for Christ. The Alpha and the Omega. The first and the last that does not change and will not change.

The end result of the searcher is Jesus Christ.

Have you used them for projection?

What is your take on them?

Any comments partaining to experiences/knowledge of is welcome.

Some have hypothesized the "projecting" experience and "consciousness altering chemicals" as being one and the same.

Being that most here prescribed to the Universalist/Perrenial facade of many paths leading to God........

What is the disadvantage to following Christ and living by His standard? I mean it is not that you think that He is a bad guy right? In fact you yourselves have no real idea as to there even being One True Way to God.

Also most here are even under the notion that He exists and I have heard many say they saw Him in the Astral.

So far I have gathered from you guys that

1. All paths lead to God
2. Christ exists
3. Good and evil exist
4. You try to be good and get better for yourself and fellow man

So why not try and follow Christ. His credentials as a "Master" are pretty good right. I mean you even have a few claims that surpass any other religious founder....

1. Claimed to be God
2. Claimed to be the exclusive Way to God
3. Claimed to live a Perfect Life
4. Performed Miracles
5. Was in opposition to "evil"
6. Raised from the dead....just to name a few

So gathering this info what is some DISADVANTAGES of just having a little faith in Christ? Why not just keep on projecting but consider Him you "Spirit Guide" and try to get to know Him? I am sure that most here are not under the impression that He means you harm....

So....

What are the disadvantages here?
And what are the advantages?

Thank You

Do you believe that the source of all good is from you or from God?

[Matthew 7The Narrow and Wide Gates - NIV Version13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.]

Matthew 7

The Narrow and Wide Gates - NIV Version

13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


Luke 13 - NIV

24He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.


Matthew 7 - KJV

13   Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14   Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Radical Islam has declared war on the U.S.

It is called a Holy War. Are there any Muslims here that care to convey why they hate America so much? If it is a "Holy War" than I am taking a leap of faith and assuming that it is because this is a Christian country?

If it just so happens that you are in a hospital bed and know that you have only one minute to live......

And are all alone......

What are you going to do in those last 60 seconds?

Who on the "other side" are you going to attempt call out to for guidance after the death of the physical body?

Chronzon is a scary cat indeed.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/chronozo.htm

The most meaningful OBE I ever had took place in the mountains. I experienced the vast amounts of spirit Christ gave up at the cross. I saw Him weep and understood I would never be able to pay Him back for what He did on the cross.

True Christian OBE's involve feeling the Love of Christ in your Heart.

The Holy Spirit will lift the limit of sin and atrocities that are allowed in the apocalypse. The evil in the hearts of men will be able to manifest itself fully. Those that are not in the protection of the Spirit will give in too these true natures.

That is my understanding of the apocalypse.

quote:From times BC: Lord = God
From times AD: Lord = Jesus

You are beginning to understand the Trinity.

[11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.]

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.


Many Christians beleive that the FIRST beast was ancient Rome. The SECOND beast that spake like a Dragon is the United States. Those that worship the New Rome will receive the mark of the beast. Many beleive that we are in end time due to the fact that the Pope has been seen blessing those of the pagan faith and the rise of powerful unions in Europe. We expect the Roman power to grow soon and a New World Order to take effect. If this happens than it is a sure bet that we are in the end times.

The problem is not China but atheistic unions in Europe that will influence the majority of unbelieving nations to worship the beast.

1. Tearing down the Ten Commandments.
2. Radical hate of Christians by fundamentalist Islam.
3. Much talk of a "national ID" card and a "New World Order".
4. Disregard of rights of privacy in favor of "security" standards.
5. ACLU and atheists taking over the law.
6. Merge of spiritualism (new agers) and modern Christianity.

All of these signs are the proof of the end times for SOME CHristians.