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IMHO it's more concentrated to the moon. Did i ask about the moon? No, but i guess it has more than i think to do with the world, but i am happy it's moved elsewhere.

Thanks for all the info guys, and thanks for moving the ''moon thing'' to a new thread .
Capt. Picard@ I don't know why, but i just don't believe the stuff about how the universe was created. I do, however, believe that what you said about the creating of the atmosphere and you have a really good point that the astral planes wouldn't exist if we wouldn't exist! That's the best thing you said . And for the ''who created the universe and who created the one who created the universe, etc. '' i know that i could go on forever, that's why i asked what do you guys think of it... Thanks all for the replies , they were all very exhausting. I guess i will now try to make more time and try to astral project, because it's something that really fascinates me. And so i wanna ask if you think i can have success while trying to only AP or should i do some training to have a higher chance for success? If yes, what kind of exercises? Thanks

Hello,

i have been trying to AP for sometime about 6 months ago, but i haven't tried for a long time now, because i have so much things to do at school, training and everything so when i come back home at night I am totally dead tired, and in the weekends i sleep long(because i need to get some sleep after the week when i sleep about 4-6 hours max.) and i wake up at about 8 or 9 o'clock in the morning so if i would try to AP it would be another cca. 2 hours so i would get out of bed really late and almost the whole day would be gone... It's quite sad for me because i would really love to have an AP, but no luck yet, and mostly because of the time.
      However, I want to ask a different. Today at school we were leaning about the biological creation of the world, and i think it's all just a piece of crap! I mean come on how can they know that 18 billion years ago the universe was created, 5 billion years ago the wolrd was created and 3 billion years ago a tiny organism started some kind of reaction on earth, that should be a similar one like photosynthesis and make oxygen and after that more of them came to life and etc.! WTF! That's just bullsh*t! But that's not important now, i just started wondering about one thing. I have never believed that God created the world, and i was very doubtful that he even existed. I am not saying that i know believe it, but i do think it is actually possible. I never thought i would even think about the existence of God, but i am. Because when i think logically, how was the whole universe created? And who or what created that thing or person who then created the universe?? There's just too much questions that can't be answered! And so i thought that i could ask you how do you think it is with the creation of world and actually even the creation of the astral planes? It's just so interesting that i had to ask what you guys think

Sorry Jan for hijacking your thread 

HI guys! I don't mind at all Gbob  . Anyway today i had something happen in my dream, but i am not sure what it was. I fell a sleep at night as usuall around midnight, and i started dreaming, and you know how it goes in normal dreams you just see something, but you can't affect what is happeing. But today i could acctualy affect everything! Like someone on this thread told me to count my fingers every while and that it will help me go lucid while dreaming. And so i do it every day and it seems that i am getting some results! I dreamt that i am in a supermarket, and it was a normal dream, but then after a little while i just ''woke up'' in the dream and i could controll my body, i thought i am having a lucid dream so i treid to do something to chekc if i really am. I picked up an apple and threw it at someone, then i started jumping on milk boxes and i could do absolutley anything i wanted! And the best part is that nobody told me anything for doing such things! It was so much fun, one could not believe you could have so much fun in a dream!  And my question is was this a LD? If yes i think i am on a good way to AP! 

Guys, i have to say it's HARD WORK. I just can't seem to get a lucid dream nor an AP, any ideas what i could do apart from what people told me in this thread? And it doesn't matter if it is a way from a lucid dream or from conscious state, but i am getting desperate to project! And i don't think that will help me on my journey 

I'm fortunate enough to have a rather wealthy grandfather and he has been helping me financially. As long as I help him with his vegetable garden! 

Now that's the life huh?    Good for you! I hope you have nice vegetables growing there 

i will try it once more with the BWgen . And the birds, hmm well i thought that maybe it has something to do with spirits or some demons or whatever. You know those movies where ravens or crows are a sign if something bad so i was just curious

Hi thanks for the help Athymari  it's good to know this. Any way CFTraveler, after downloading BWgen i found out i just don't understand the program, i guess it would be easier to download already made binaural beats, but i can't find any free ones . Besides that i have another question. I know that it maybe has nothing to do with the astral world, but it just seems strange to me. So here it is. Yesterday we were going on the highway and all of a sudden a flock of about 1000 crows or ravens flew up into the air and flew rings around one place for a long while. It is not the migrating time so that's probably not why the were there. And not even my grandparents saw something like that and they are over 70 years old. I wanted to know if it could possibly be some kind of sign or anything like that.

Thanks for the quick reply i am downloading BWgen right now!

Hi guys, i have been unsuccessful. You know what, my biggest problem in going to AP from a trance is that i just can't seem to relax enough, and after about 10 - 15 minutes i just have to move a limb and well destroy the relaxing. I was searching a bit, and found out about binaural beats witch should help me get into the state from where it is easier to project from. I found a good site, but unfortunately it costs money and i am only 14 years old, so i don't have any only wallet. Ahh and my parents wont give me any money for stuff like this, they just don't believe in this. So i wanted to ask if you don't know about any good binaural beats that are for free and you know they work from you own experience. Thanks in advance.

Regards John

By using trance meditation and yogic breathing techniques ( along with the assistive technology I have been developing ) I am able to stay awake for about 16 - 20 hours a day. Then I need about 6 - 8 hours of sleep. This can make my daily schedule pretty unpredictable! 

Man don't you go to work or school? Or do you do this only on weekends, holidays??

Hi! Almost the same thing happedend to me! It happened about a year back when i was very ill, the most ill in my whole life. Always when i am sick a have huge problems falling asleep and that day i had probably 2-3 hours of sleep max. And as i was laying in my bed, i wanted to roll over to my side, but i couldn't! It was like my body weight milions of tons and i was not able to move a limb or anything else! After a while of that i started to fall a sleep, but then caught my self, and i was actually upside down in my room. My head was still in the physical body but my hands legs and body where floating. At that time i had no idea about any astral projection so i got scared and poped back into my body, wich then started to feel normal again and i could move. What do you guys think this was?

WoW  . So you mena Real time zone, that you can project and see someone in your house, or just the house is exactly the same and it's like in reality? Thanks

Hi, i never had any conscious OBE or astral projection so i will definitely try this out, tonight(yeah i know, that there is a low percentage in success at night, but i have to wake up early in the morning so i have to try at night... or in the morning over weekend

Hi guys, it's me again. Well i have remembered a dream every night since i started to try remembering, so that's now ok. Now my next goal is to get lucid in a dream, i am trying the technique someone here in my thread had told me. I try to tell myself ''i am not in a dream'' and look at the time, but it's rather hard too remember askign yourself this. I always forget and only when thinking about AP i remeber to ask my self . So it will be hard to learn doing it frequently. BTW i wanted to ask what dose RTZ mean? Many people post seomthing about RTZ-projections but i have no idea what it is so if you could tell me it would be nice, thanx

John

Just an update, I've been able to get to the stage where I feel completely relaxed, I feel heavy vibrations and most of my body is numb, but now it seems I've hit a sort of road block.
Basically when I'm in the aforementioned state, lying on my back, hands at my sides etc. after a while I'll become quite uncomfortable, to the point I get the overwhelming urge to just roll onto my side (how I normally sleep) and give up.

Hi, i know i am going to be no help too you, but this is exactly my problem too! When i try astral projecting. I usually lay for about 20-30 minutes and then my hands kind of start floating, and it feels very comfortable, but then i start trying to release my body and i have no succese and my hands come back in and i get very uncomfotable and have to do some movement because it's a terrible feeling if i don't move . It's really a road block as you called it! 

Hi, today i had another dream . But unfortunately i didn't have time to write it down in the morning so i don't remember all the details. Now i am looking forward to start training for lucid dreams. Anyway here i am copy pasting my journal from yesterday and today. If you want to read some bizarre dreams then here they are .

JOURNAL   3.1.2010

Day 1 : No dream

5.1.2010

Day 2 : Today was a successful night, because after almost a month of
not remembering any dream i remembered one! It was a very strange dream,
like most of them . I appeared at a know city called Zlín, close to the tennis courts where i train.
All of a sudden one of my friend that is in reality only 17 years old was driving a car
next to me, i looked at him and after a while he dissapeared and a i went further.
After a while i was at a parking places where a few cars stood, me and my brother had
keys from some car, but we didn't know witch one they belonged to. So after a while of testing
witch one they belong to we found it out. We opened the car and suddenly a man appeared
and started asking us how we opened the car, and told us that he thinks we are trying to
steal the car. My brother tried to start the car to show him we are not steeling anything that we have the keys.
But the keys didn't fit, the man told us to try a key he took from his pocket. This dream
ended. And immediately another one started. This one was even weirder than the first one.
I appeared in a casino with a very nice red carpet on the floor, some playing machines and casino stuff.
I saw a girl that held a small boy by the hand and kept on running, closing and opening glass doors,
that on she saw. I stared at her for a while and then went further and saw some of my classmates.
They stood at a bar and told me to join them, and so i did. There were two girls and one boy,
suddenly i got very tired and i leaned over the bar. One of the girls held me by the waist
and i felt something like love. It was a very nice feeling, but in reality we are only friends
and actually i don't even like her to much, although in the dream it was very nice .
The dream ended and i woke up.

6.1.2010

Day 3 : Today i had another dream, but only one, unlike yesterday. Unfortunately i don't remember
all of the details like from the day before. I didn't have time to write it down because
i would come late for school. But i remember the main things. I came to a house that was
only half finished. As in not totally built. I knocked on the window, but no body was opening,
after a while a girl with long curly brown hair opened. I entered the house and we started talking
i can't remember what the conversation was about. Then my dad appeared in front of the house
with flowers and dressed in black suite. I had no idea why he was there, he just stood there
all the time. Then me and the girl went to some dancing carnival. Where my brother(he is older than me)
and his girl friend were too. And i took my mobile phone from my pocket and photographed them together
and well that was the end . A very strange dream indeed.

WoW man i think your very close to AP. I myself am actually in a very familiar situation as you, i am 14 years old and also try AP only at nigh because i either don't have time in the day or someone keeps on interfering me. But you are way closer than me, i have never heard from any of my guides, nor any other sounds, just the ones from reality. I know i am no help, but i wish you luck in your AP .

Hi, Thanks for the tips i will definitely try to use them if i can't remember thanks a lot. But i had a dream today!!!!!! . I woke up in the morning and i could still lie down for a few minutes and i thought to myself did i have a dream? No   But then after a while it just started showing up in my head!!! I was so happy that i remembered it, and after remembering i had a dream i even remembered that i was a little bit aware of it! You maybe think why i am so happy of just having a dream,but i think i am one step closer to AP so i am really happy. I have training now so i will be back in about 3 hours, and i will write whhat is was about xD. cya

Hmmm... i am going to bed again am hoping for a drea . It's really boring to not have dreams! Wish me luck. Cya tomorrow 

Well today i had no succeed again, i will have to try today again. And no i had holidays for 2 weeks so i didn't have a specific sleep pattern, but now it is school so yes i will have a good sleeping pattern.

Yep it does! Now i am going to sleep and i am hoping for a dream, i don't mind if lucid or not, for the beginning i would be satisfied with a normal one so wish me luck . Cya

xD Sonic. Nice! I used to play Prehistoric 2! That was fun! All the time for many years, now i only surf the net.To the topic :  I will practice. But i still have a question! If i stat remembering my dreams in the morning will i be able to get lucid, and later on AP, or will it be like only remembering them in the morning, but when they will be ''happening'' while asleep i will not know of them, only in the morning when i will think of it? I hope i formed the question well and hope you will understand

[Practice makes perfect!]

When i was younger(i know i am only 14 ,but i mean like 10 years old) i use to have dreams about what i thought about at night before falling asleep. It was like dreaming on demand. I dream't what i wanted to and now it's different. I have dreams very rarely. So i tried thinking about a beautiful island somewhere in the caribic all nigh before falling asleep, unfortunately with no results. This is going to be very hard work! But hey, to get good results you always have to learn/practice first! Practice makes perfect!

This sucks i had no dream again!! Is there a way to make myself dream at night?