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It's funny to see that there was a conversation even after I left. That, even after you claimed to not know why  it got negative, or why there was an argument, you came back to argue more. I told a story, and you met it with insolence and unfriendly attitudes, and a desire to debate. That even after the moderators came and changed your comments to sound less belligerent, it still reflects a great degree of insolence. Xanth's "I thought everyone knew about sleep paraylsis" (direct quote) tops the cake. I'm not really surprised, and it's actually kind of amusing. Well, stew in it. This thread has 500 views from you folks.

Xanth is there a moment when you're not telling people what they need to do, think, believe, and what they do and don't know about? Just curious.

Witchdoctor sounds like a sexual deviant. Anyone who isn't creeped out by his post is definitely on another plane of existence.

Annoying behavior, as well as decent behavior is just common sense.

I don't think I need to prescribe a set topic for people to discuss in order to expect that they not be you know, annoying.

For instance, you should make sure you read something if your comment is going to be negative, and if something says "sleep paralysis" in the title, chances are the author knows what it is, and it would be annoying if you said something like "gee I thought everyone knew about Sleep Paralysis."

If you want to be annoying, and annoy people, be my guest, but don't expect them to stick around, or entertain you.

Dont b afraid. The worst thing that can happen is u lose control of yer bodily functions and soil a couple bed sheets

hahahahahaha WTF? Ok this board is a little too weird for me.

The first response was dumb, because the poster actually omits an entire line, that would have helped with the comprehension. But he wanted to say what he wanted, even if it made no sense, and had no relevance. I decided to ignore that because there is usually one like that.

Then I honestly thought people were answering Kurt's question, but it turned out tehy were more interested in telling me, what sleep paralysis was, even when it's pretty obvious I know it. Again, by willingly ignoring the topic of the thread they claim to be responding to.

Then Kurt actually chimed in an answer to his own question, telling me what to think at the same time.

So why should anyone of my caliber post here? creepy

Yea or learn to read or something. And geezus grow up. I think I got telling other people about their own experiences out of my system when I was 14 or 15. I thought this was a damn astral projection forum lol..

I don't go around telling other people that their sleep paralysis was demonic possession, although it may likely be.

I'm glad CFT responded to that question... because Sleep Paralysis is well known.  LoL

As for the Original Post...
There's nothing evil or demonic about it.  
As CFT said, it's just a function that happens so we don't act out our dreams.

kiuku,
You're going to really have to go over your beliefs a bit here.
Something needs changing.  

I don't usually tell people that kind of thing... but in this case, it seems warranted.

lol...well, I don't think you should tell people that without knowing the kind of research they've done, and you certainly can't tell me it's not evil or demonic without discounting my experience. Because, certainly, you weren't there. That's the Anthropologist in me.

If you look at the title of the thread, it's called "Sleep Paralysis while ill." That should tell you I know what sleep paralysis is. You shouldn't assume I don't know, and you shouldn't assume I don't have research to back up my opinion. I don't think the cause of it is how Neurologists have tried to explain it, because of lack of evidence. Of course, if you really want to debate that, you can move it to another thread, but posting from articles about Sleep Paralysis, the likes of which I've probably already read, and you should assume that I've read by virtue of the title of the thread, isn't going to make me go "Oh my uneducated opinion was wrong this whole time. Thank god someone decided to explain the phenomena to me."

Actually all of REM fails to explain dreams, IMO (that's not the only time that dreams occur).

I thought CF was honestly trying to answer Kurt's question. But your "thank God CF posted what sleep paralysis was because damn I can't believe someone actually believes in Demonic Possession" is not very becoming.

LOL AND Especially for someone who talks about physically walking through walls on the "Etheric" as "very possible."

Actually my only and whole point of titling the post "Sleep Paralysis" was to avoid people telling me what sleep paralysis was, but I see that didn't quite work out.

The Evolution of the human species is interesting; Neanderthals etc. I see evidence that ancient humans had technology; knew of some of the so-called advanced concepts that we do presently. If you look at the yin yang symbol, it is day and night from space. Of course, most satellite images are cropped so that you do not see this effect, which is curious in and of itself. The simulations make it look like it is just half day and night, but if you do some research you will see the curves, and the curves are apparent in some simulations but not all.

Anyway, I can't answer all of the questions since I don't astral project often. But, once, while I hallucinated my room was in technicolor, I did have a conversation with another being, a debate, over whether or not all things in existence exist as a product of their function. It tried to convince me of that, and I disagreed. It was an interesting debate.

It's funny that for something I hadn't given any thought too prior, it was so matter of fact, in my "dream" that these were beings in another dimension and that was their world juxtiposed on mine.

There is too much consistency in hallucinations between people to compare them with dreams.

In other cultures they take drugs to induce hallucinations, in order to gain access to elusive parts of the mind, to gain knowledge about the environment...because of the belief that the hallucinations are cosmic entities, or oversouls, forms, of cellular knowledge. The Cosmic Serpent details an Anthropologists study of Ayahuasca and its use by indigenous shamans. It's very good I highly recommend it.

I believe that it is an attempt at possession on a person that is physically weak/ill. Because most people report a struggle to regain control of their body and a sense of immediacy, a do or die situation, life threatening. A lot of the time a person's eyes are not open, when this happens, and, well, if a person is paralyzed, they shouldn't be able to open their eyes, so that makes sense. Yet, contrary to a normal dream, unlike a normal dream, or dream state, often the person sees their room exactly as it is, except with other beings. This is much like normal out of body experiences. So there really is no compelling reason for me to believe that, the person is hallucinating because they are half dreaming, so they only hallucinate some things.. if a person were truly in a paralyzed REM state, I would imagine there'd be other things to hallucinate, except ones immediate surroundings.

Here is a simple test: Next time your partner is in REM sleep state, slap a cold towel on their face and see if they are paralyzed.

I don't know why there is an extra post from me. Anyway Horacios, it wasn't like a pleasant, all encompassing, loving white light that is typical of near death experiences, but it was a white light. It was just an approaching stream, and it got as far as to the foot of my bed. It was like a rod, like a rod of white light. By that time I had started to get a grip, and some footing against the entity that was attempting to possess my body. Once you're getting back in your body you stop seeing the other beings, naturally, you stop existing consciously in the Astral, or other world.

Well, Kurt, I was just trying to answer your question. I disagree with the explanation that Neurologists have put forth, because, like I said, there is no evidence for a state of paralysis either in what they call REM, or other sleep states, but I figured I'd mention it, since you asked what it was about, stating you didn't understand it, and that is the prevailing explanation.

Anyway I heard that more people, of natural causes, die between the hours of 4-5. But I can't really recall where; probably in writings on Near Death experiences. Perhaps someone here can shed light on that.

Neurologists have attempted to explain it, but there is really no evidence that the body ever enters into a natural paralysis, during REM or otherwise.

CFTraveler is right that it happens due to exhaustion and illness. It can be like an out of body experience, or an out of body experience altogether. Generally it's terrifying, and (feels as if it is) life-threatening.

Those people that die in their sleep; maybe they never made it out of there.

I wasn't as sick, but still terrified, and trying to stay awake, because there were atleast 2 more attempts while I was awake, where I just couldn't stay awake, almost. I was embarassed by the screaming. It felt like drowning. I figured if I could stay awake until daybreak I'd be ok, because that's normally how nightmares work with me, but then I realize it was daybreak. So I just got up and walked around to make sure I didn't fall back asleep. I'm usually wide awake by then, due to being an early riser. I was practically falling asleep standing up. I cooked some food and then fell alseep later in the day.

The light never touched me but it got pretty close.

I have never had Sleep Paralysis and I still don't understand how it works. Hopefully soon I'll understand.

Neurologists have attempted to explain it, but there is really no evidence that the body ever enters into a natural paralysis, during REM or otherwise.

CFTraveler is right that it happens due to exhaustion and illness. It can be like an out of body experience, or an out of body experience altogether. Generally it's terrifying, and (feels as if it is) life-threatening.

Those people that die in their sleep; maybe they never made it out of there.

They were, most likely, helping you! Did you feel that beam of light striking you? Despite the fear, how did you feel when you woke up?

I wasn't as sick, but still terrified, and trying to stay awake, because there were atleast 2 more attempts while I was awake, where I just couldn't stay awake, almost. I was embarassed by the screaming. It felt like drowning. I figured if I could stay awake until daybreak I'd be ok, because that's normally how nightmares work with me, but then I realize it was daybreak. So I just got up and walked around to make sure I didn't fall back asleep. I'm usually wide awake by then, due to being an early riser.

To start off, I believe that Sleep Paralysis is an attempt at spirit possession, and is a spiritual experience, and not a brain experience, when for whatever reason the spirit has left the  body half way.

I had my third episode of Sleep Paralysis last night, in my life. They are never really pleasant and they've all happened when I've been ill. So, probably due to my worsening condition, I had one last night. During the paralytic episode I half dreamed I was two worlds at the same time, and due to being conscious in two worlds, I saw two men, two angels enter, pass through my room. They were in the other world, and to them they were just passing through a hallway. I was terrified of them. I was waiting for them to leave, and hoping they were gone out of my room, when I felt something take over my body. I tried to scream, but at the first attempt I could not, and at the second attempt I could, but nothing came out. I figured I must be dying, or something was attempting to possess me. While I was paralyzed, I then saw this stream of white light heading toward me. I knew I couldn't let it get to me, so I wrestled, literally what felt like another entity, to get control of my body, by trying to open my eyes, and keep them open etc. And after extreme effort, I was able to regain control, except I woke up screaming madly. Try explaining that one. lol

"Sorry I was in the Astral and something tried to take over my body but everything is fine now."