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As a guy who aborted his suicide, at the last second, this topic is interesting. I don't really believe in reincarnation, but I don't hate it or bash it.

I'd like to know why we have to "reincarnate" should we kill ourselves if, "we didn't take out the trash the next day". When you incarnate, you forget everything of who you were! Right? Like an erased USB or memory card. What's that moral doing mean anymore? You've forgotten who you were and probably aren't going to be the same. Unless it's just the roll of the dice (free will), until you choose right. But this process of understanding ourselves seems unnecessary and lengthy.

I thought that our existence was meant to keep on going, and learning, suicide was the choice of who you were at that point of existence. 

Rope, "psi ball", imaging your body floating 3 feet above/below, focusing on chakras all these are to take your focus off the physical, which is really the key to projection. Can you think of anything else? It's certainly not a specific technique otherwise everyone would project. They all do the same thing but in a different style. I tried one technique that pretty much is this idea.

I was reading another read about placing a coin on your head and I thought it would be a nice technique to practice both focus and relaxation simultaneously. I normally have trouble with both anyway. I gave this a go last morning after reading that thread. You can choose to focus on the object on your head or try to relax and ignore it to the point to where you don't feel it. I chose the latter, and reached vibrations and I'm betting "astral vision", which is a first for me, either I was visioning my feet or astral vision behind closed eyelids. My sister walked through my room and messed up the projection attempt, foiled again. 

Astral projection has to take place when you're not focusing on the physical anymore. So either focusing on the object as a focus point or ignoring it, both paths lead to ignoring the physical. I haven't reached vibrations in months, and now that I have time off I'll practice this daily. It's a nice method of testing you're skills of relaxation, focus, and understanding of astral projection.

I've yet to project and I'm extremely curious to know what goes on from deep relaxation and then a second later, a conscious exit or it's inevitable progression. Do you lose feeling of your eyes? Do you start seeing things while your eyes are still shut? I certainly don't believe you open your physical eyes.

Something I never had the willpower to go through with until now. But recently I've been getting great sleep and relaxation, but I've noticed it ends fast when ever I listen to music. I listen to a mix of music from metallica to remixes of video games. They fog my mind with daydreaming, fantasizing, and worst of all random thoughts. They also make you active when you're supposed to be stable and meditative.

I suppose it's the kind of music, some one listening to something calming probably won't have this problem but if they spam it in their ears all day (like I do) the benefits would have no effect. You need a clear mind to practice OBE. That's how some get exit sensations easier than others, well at least that's my guess.


Other notes: I donated to get 4 of the brainwaves. Which I'll be using, Abyss got my attention when I first listened to it. Felt my body and especially my head was shifting around, even physically lol.

Suicide

Would like to project before though, if I don't stop failing! 

I hear p-real knows women in the astral. 

Monroe was the one that would meet the deceased or somebody on the astral. Always found the stories interesting, wondering if anyone shared the same experience.

This world doesn't seem to fit the Christian god definition. Too much stuff going on that an all powerful deity could fix. A baseball team prays to god and wins a series while children starve daily?

Why are these kind of things so expensive. Lucid dreaming masks are like 250 dollars, for what? Blinking LED lights, thats all they are, electronically simple.

Everything on that page seems overly expensive to me. bleh

I heard it's only accessible if you're dead.

And to those who can't afford Hemi sync: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8eSuZ71S8k&playnext=1&list=PL31B39BE87D18CCFE

A little playlist of hemi sync someone uploaded. Seems like he only uploaded one hour, a nice alternate if you're having trouble with theta/alpha brain waves. I listen to it and get vibes within 20 minutes if I don't screw up my focus. I wish I had more time in life to listen to this and project (shoots for the weekends). The first video's ending has an annoying loud noise, you might wanna play 2/6 video.

Xanth is back to his terror kitten avatar?

Becoming lucid is the only difficult part.

But as long as it's in the back of your mind it'll progressively become easier each dream. Affirmations before night or telling yourself during the day.

I remember being on Xanth's site, I think Frank mentioned that you have to focus your attention on some object in the dream until everything goes blank. Just hope you remain lucid/aware/concious in time before the dream ends. I think my dreams last longer if I go to sleep early. Plus I eat a lot of peanut butter.

I have had more success becoming lucid in dream than astral projection. Dunno why in the hell it's so hard. You'd think that by doing all the fundamental steps to projecting would be enough turn out to be not enough.

Or is it the other way around. So far I've had 2 within a month but like with ALL my dreams they're murky and hardly vivid. It's odd though, during the dream I can't see anything then I would want to project. Within seconds I'd do so and when I "exit" I float out of my room then it ends.

Starting to believe it's just my desire to want to project that created the imitation. Although Frank said something about how astral projections turn into "dreams" if you become less aware or whatever.

This is the only progress I've been making so far. I'm also going to buy B6 vitamins (100 mg or 250?) to make my dreams more vivid, I'm sick of them being barely visible. Whenever they are vivid I become lucid instantly.

This is my first post in months? I bought John Magnus's Astral Projection and nature of reality and Monroe's Out Of Body experiences recently. I'm also getting Robert Bruce's Mastering astral projection in 90 days soon.

I've experienced this before, even as a kid a few times. But I never understood what it was or what it could be useful for. It's focus 12? I've gotten it when I first got into AP. I would just focus on something like blackness in your eyelids. I wonder if this occurs when you do the above while your body is still awake.

About what Frank says, I never observed the blackness turning brighter. But I've never tried focusing even more at that point, I just observe how bizarre the state feels. But if I reach this state again I'll continue focusing.

Learn to fight astrally, watch dragonball Z videos.

For about the 3 time in a row I haven't vibrations but something else. I feel really light. One might say I'm going into my astral body.

I might even be bold enough to say that I felt my astral hand moving. Sure as hell seemed like it. I like this progress.

I've been having dreams as well. Although I realise I'm dreaming I never become fully lucid. I dunno what do...

Dream to projection would be soooo much easier.

You can imagine what I'd be doing in the astral. Video game excrement and such.

Something tells me that someone projected waaaaaaaay back and thought of a cord and it appeared. He then told others about his projection, they had the thought of the cord in their minds and saw it. Became popularized, until now.

Just MY guess.

Thanks for the links! I also favorited that site, isn't it yours? I haven't been around in awhile o-o

If I'm anything in life, it's a day dreamer. Considering I've played video games all my life. I suppose I can use my day dreams as run downs?

I bought the nasal strips, hopefully they aren't too distracting. I lie on my back when I practice btw.

I've been getting close recently. It's like I'm not in my body partially, everything feels light etc.

Phasing is noticing, then looking at a scene and then stepping into it. I tried it a week ago, I saw something then took my attention to whatever it was but the inexplicable need to breath ruined everything.

I breathe with my mouth open, but it gets dry and I have to wet it again. My nose is usually too stuffed.

I need to focus on something. Breathing keeps my mind off of random thoughts..

I ignore them, think of exiting but then my heart beats faster and I need to breath more. Prior I was just relaxing and barely breathing but not out of breath or so. When I think of exiting at that point it feels like I'm not here. But the need to breath ruins it over and over.

I'm possibly going to be going on a vibration thread spree, trying to uncover this enigma. I think I see the reason behind the quiet period of the vibration state. Even so I still don't know how to exit.

(A mess of a post as this is)

Am I actually doing a exit tech and not knowing about it? Be interesting to know for a lot of people.

I guess all there is to ask is what sign means it's time to project?

Xanth, any exit technique you reccomend?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zeoLMO37i0&feature=related

I've heard vibrations are when you try to project, I've also heard of the quiet period afterward then you try to project. Just want this to be confirmed/discussed. In the video he says, the books/sources that tell you in order to project you must reach vibrations, is all misinformation. And according to Nick Newport when you hit vibrations "you're actually wasting energy, if you actually do end up out of body you can't have any fun because it would be dark and you wouldn't be able to move easily".

All I hit are vibrations, rarely any audio, and this would help a lot for me and others alike. My vibrations end all the time but it feels like I'm just lieing there i.e no trance feelings, dissociation. I can't say if I undergo sleep paralysis because you would have to move in order to be sure. The "lead blanket" feeling to me seems like deep relaxation. I've been practicing and I may be on track with reaching vibes and such, so I thought this would be a nice time to make this thread.

~Aaron

(lol! Xanth does the ~name thing too!!)

4-2-4-2 Breathing technique I remember that now. 

Bluetone's way of attempting is the same as mine minus the twitching? I thought any movement negates the projection attempt. Which is why I believe the "keeping lungs empty" part is important. I noticed when I stopped breathing completely the trance got deeper. Where do you go on from trance? Google isn't giving me any results lol.

Bluetone said that he hit vibrations then found himself in a strange castle (projected). What is the transition like? Is it staring at the blackness in your eyes, to scenes/images coming up until you're in them? I all ways pictured it as a dream coming up during sleep.

Seriously during the very first times attempting, a year ago, I could hit sensations, swaying, trance. But progressively it's getting harder and harder each month. Nowadays I can't reach anything. Last night I was relaxed stretched a bit, layed down for like 30 minutes didn't get anything. Personalreality told me not to hope for sensations, well I just use them as signposts. It used to be fun attempting this I would get semi-close to projecting, at least it gave me hope.

I try every morning now, sometimes at night for the hell of it. I try to be passive, I don't do the ROPE technique (or any tech) I simply just lie and observe the blackness. Like I all ways have. Whenever I hit vibrations/buzzing I notice them but continue to relax, everything feels different. Then a minute or so later everything goes back to normal and it just feels like I'm laying down.

Like if two people where chanting or something they get into a trance and then project kind of stuff. Just curiosity Yin-Yang.