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Crowley was a lunatic. If you are interested in occultism and Magic discard EVERYTHING by him.

No, the laws of physic are unmutable. The Sun didn't go around the Earth before people started to think the opposite.

It's still in Japan. And no they don't have schools in Europe, they don't want to have anything to do with us. It's still called the Green Dragon society or the Green Dragon Order. They have also nothing to do with the Triads or other Mafia like organizations, however I read that there's one secret criminal society in Japan called the Black dragon society - similar name.

I don't know their purpose, just that they're not people to be messed with. I'll try to get you who was the other guy.

Try searching for Green dragon society on the Internet anyway.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

KoolGZe, if a million people (not just you) beleived your car would run on orange juice, it probably would. I think that because of what I've learned from telekinesis.

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And what does telekinesis have to do with that.

Don't you think that Chaos magick idea is a bit strange? That's like saying " I'm going to fill my car's tank with orange juice and it'll work ; I just need to believe it ". Magic is like any other cience.

Himmler was interested in the occult and so he had an SS division called the "Annenerbe order". Thule is a different order, altough it was connected to the Annenerbe. The rich industrials you said were members of the Thule order and shared some of Hitler's ideas. Supposedly that was enough for them to give Hitler crucial support, including teaching him secrets of Oratory. Basically they told him how to make such incredible speeches.

The esotheric buddistic roots you're talking about is the Green Dragon Society, the most powerfull black buddist order. Himmler was one of the two westerners ever allowed membership into the order. Supposedly they shared some of the Nazi ideals.  

Well the topic was Relationships and magic was it? :p

Even tough the magical path doesn't require someone to keep of relationships, it's expected from the mage to do it because the path can be very time consuming. Ancestral initiatic orders require celibacy because marriage is almost incompatible with an initiates life. However that must never be a painfull sacrifice to the initiate ; it's something that to an Initiate comes with time.

I believe Witch is a title that can only be given to women by secret small covens authorized to do it. Those covens are very restrict and usually only accept women  that already have attained a certain state of evolution. I believe that the godess is cultuated in those covens and that the witches are fluent in natural and High Magic altough giving more importance to natural Magic. I believe Wicca and all of the new age religions are frowned upon by those witches who consider them a deturpation of their religion and system. I believe they take care of their bodies and try to keep themselves beautifull but not because they are vain ; it's because they consider their bodies a temple to the godess.

Ouija boards allow lower astral entities to come into our plane. This entities aren't really powerfull ; they should not be mistaken by demons which are High astral entities. They can still do some damage however the person's astral body can shield their attacks in almost full totallity. It still is not something to be played with.

That is not true. Magic is a science and like any other science it evolves with time.

Tisha I didn't say it had to be fancy [] Anything that can be magnetized and has a sharp tip works. I even have a book here that has instructions on how to make a 2 in 1  using a cane.

Mages use wands in High Magic rituals to intrefere with entities. They're used to conduct the astral fluid. To construc. The magic swords however are used to defend against agressive entities when they materialize into our plane.

Sorry for using a less correct term then. Still tell me, do you personally believe spells can work that way?

I was talking specifically about spells.

I was away for some time. Anyway we're going back and forth, obviously it's useless for me to try to convince you that you have no idea of what a Coven and an Initiation is, and it was foolish of me to think the opposite.

One remark : What kind of secret society is that that allows you to tell it's name around on the internet?

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by Aristoles

I wonder if ill ever see a wiccan/soon-wiccan who is not interested in magic

Besides,whats so wrong with satanic and harmful magic?

People fear that which they do not understand.

What's to understand about black magic. It's the use of subtil forces to intrefrie against someone's will. Some people have principles and don't want to do that.

To the author of this thread : I suppose wiccans believe that if they write some rhymes about a certain subject and then sing it or read it with firm devotion they will somehow have magical power. Do you honestly think things work like that?

I don't keep celibate, however Initiates are required to. Initiates with Initiations given by serious orders, that is.

Even when talking about natural magic, I'm not sure of the degree of knowledge someone outside of a SERIOUS coven can obtain. Serious covens are as selective as Initiatic orders and they require celibacy as well.

Can you give me the name of the Order that initiated you? Just the name.

Anyway if you find ONE book on the net or at a book shop that tells exactly how to perform a High Magic ritual tell me.

Initiates can't have kids because they're required to keep a vow of chastit, which by it's turn, is required for Cerimonial Magic.

Orders don't keep magic to themselves because they are greedy. They do it so inept people don't hurt themselves and others around them.

Initiates don't join orders because they wish to, they do it because they are hand picked. And they certainly can't afford to have a super inflated ego.

It's impossible to teach magic to your kidsd because Initiates can't have them.

Aristoles( it's AristoTLES by the way ) magic is a science that interacts with universal subtil forces. You can do whatever you want with it yet you will receive feedback at the end.

You will only learn magic seriously at real Iniciatic Orders. I suggest you forget it.

13 I suggest YOU be silent. You suggested Bardon's books and that only shows ignorance of you.