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Hello, I'm new here and this may be a very primitive question to you... this could have already answered in Astral Dynamics, but I just discovered the book and haven't ordered it yet...

I've been having some kind of spontaneus primitive OBE since I was a teenage, never advanced into it because it was scary...

Has anyone been in hard time trying to find out if you were just having an out of the body experience, or were just about die?

I mean I don't need to be convinced about OBE experiencies because it usually happens to me...

But I feel "death" (not a very representative word), astral proyection, apnea, heart attack, etc, may be very closely related... I would like to buy in a future one of those EEG, ECG, EMG, etc  electronic units used for meditation purposes just to see if I discover more correlations...

My often and small OBE experiences are sometimes kind of scary... I know there a lot of factors that may produce it (bad energy, spirits, heavy diggestion, fears, abductions, etc). On the exit I Always feel I'm about to die, I can even listen to my heart beating sooo strong and the breathing so short. My heart has nothing wrong. I just "know" I cannot/should not go further. This could also be just panic...

I have satisfied myself believing it is as an "easy exit door" just installed for the day It could be to used to die... someone agree on this concept of "exit door"?

I usually hear those astral noises...  that kind of strong wind or whistling... much more real than the material world. Thinking what they could be I guess it's the consciousness tearing apart some kind of membranes that separates our levels as we keep moving into... any opinion?

The other I heard something new, It didn't scared me but never thought about something like this... Well... here I go... I started listening to radios, lets say 4 of them more or less, enough to distinguish separate but imposible to follow dialogs with background music and all, it sounded like the poor AM transmitions, the experience lasted some seconds and I prayyyyyed cause I just needed they say the radio slogan to wake up fast, turn a radio on and try to tune that frequence to check it, but they didn't say it. So no checking.... I was not dreaming, it happened just when separation started, it wasn't just a voice, I'm "sure" it was a radio. I always considered myself very sensitive to EM fields, but "tunning" a frequency/several frequencies together is a complex electronic thing... Since a kid I heard when the ultrasound generated by a TV's when connected, but nobody near me seems to listen to it... and this never happened to me before... weird isn't it?

Regards. Paul.

Waterfall,

It's been so long since you reply me and never took the time to say thank you! I've been in a rush, my partner has been ill, and so on...

Your post gave me a BIG clue, I hadn't realized before, the sensation of stopping breathing migh be related with a drowning death memory.
I haven't had much experiences since my first post, but one was very curious, because I felt good. I was dreaming, really don't know if I was flying, floating or swiming, and then the sensation of sinking and drowning started (in the dream) and a kind of OBE started. As all of you said, I tried not to panic, so the dream became a conscious and slight and short OBE and I sweetly come back to an awake state, very comforted indeed.

Then I recalled that there has been in the past lots of times where this kind of sinking in a dream started a kind of concious OBE that ended waking me up. So I feel it more clearly like a recalling of a drowning death, and that kind of OBE seems to be "the final OBE" of that previous life...

Next time it happens I'll try to look at the experience like observer of a memory instead of an actual OBE, there must be more info about it.

Thank you. Paul

Anyone knows if Robert books are translated (spanish for example). I'm about to import it from Amazon, but I would like to lend it to my my friends and they can't read english...
Regards. Paul.

Thank you all!
Soulfire, I agree that may be it's my fear coloring the experience... but I guess it's not easy to overcome in my life...

My point is not the fear of death or a permanent OBE. My point is it's hard to distinguish an intuition trying to help you, from a suicide temptation, not because you choose suicide, but because you were so persistent to ignore a warning... We all should know that our "passage" will come at the right time, but you can also commit suicide (in different forms and lenghs) at any time of your life just because you decided it or just because you wasn't clear enough to solve a problem...And that would carry the consecuences of our beliefs...

Is not to be without a body what scares me, actually, I would prefer it, since I remember my life is so hard and heavy just because of the feeling of carrying this body... I'm also sure death is just an extended OBE and it sounds like a very natural process to me

So if I go forward and just die, for any unknown reason, I don't wan't to waste this hard 36 years, and to start over again just because I made a little mistake... I usually trust my intuitions... but I'm doubting for the las 23 years about this one... LOL...

It's clear no one will recomend me "do it" or "don't do it", but if someone else had gone thru this weird sensation before it could help...