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Hey I just think that your typical greys, nordics, repitllians etc all represent EARTH in different times and realities, and/or aspects of collective consciousness. There's so much BS out there about this, I'm not going to believe from a distance, nor do I want to entangle myself with those ideas.

I guess what I'm talking about is more like this:


Or this:

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zareste what are you saying exactly?

I believe the physical universe is teeming with life. I have more faith in that I do in the ability to reliably project around the physical. Now maybe intelligent life is quite rare, or there is a tendency to evolve spiritually rather than technologically, or we are in some kind of quarantine, and/or we are being visited in a very controlled way. But I just KNOW its full of life.

I want to think bigger and get out of established UFO mythology etc to see whats really out there.

One of my motivations is to visit other worlds and see what other life is out there. I'm not interested in greys, nordics, reptilians etc, there's so much crap we've collectively attached to those concepts, and IMO if anything is real about them they are just expressions of our own planet in different times/dimensions. I believe there is all kinds of life on different levels, but I'm talking about the physical here...

I want to see alien worlds with real aliens, dudes just going about their business. Maybe they are not humanoid at all. Maybe they have six limbs and don't walk upright. Maybe they don't even have technology. Maybe they are not even sentient. I'd love to just see what lives in an alien biosphere. That kind of thing is a real interest of mine. Given the number of life-supporting planets believed to exist even in our own physical galaxy, there should be a lot of worlds out there to choose from...

Has anyone had any experiences in this area, or would consider it an experiment to try out? I'd love to read about it. Maybe I'll see for myself tonight

Thanks alot

I guess in the lucid dreams I have, I don't try to get more aware etc because I think I'll just wake up instead, as has happened before. Its something I want to improve on though.

I think my imagination is pretty good. Im always daydreaming, I have a hard time watching films or reading books sometimes because I'll start creating my own scenarios in my head.

Thanks for pointing out the Frank Kepple Resource. Reading it now, looks interesting 

Well hello, I came across this site while doing research on OBE's and lucid dreaming. This looks like an interesting forum

I've gone through phases of having lucid dreams, but nothing really vivid and 'real', at least none that I can recall. Nothing beyond my usual level of dream imagery, which is only a little more than I can imagine while awake. I'm interested in having more 'real' lucid experiences, or projecting consciously from being awake. I may have had some OBE / projection experiences as a young child... Floating around the house at night, and seeing shadows come to life, trying to carry me away in fact... quite scary at that time, but I don't want to be stopped by silly fears of the unkown! I consider myself very open-minded and I do believe that there's a whole greater universe out there.

So far, from being awake, I get to the point where I feel small, like I'm not filling my physical body any more, but I also feel like I'm expanding... I'm sure you know what I mean! My mind is quiet. I then feel what I can only describe as rushes of energy. It feels great, and I'm sure its doing me some good, but I then have a sharp intake of breath or a muscle twitch, and that takes be back into being aware of my body... Not sure how to progress from there.

I'm reading up about all these methods, but I'm not sure that's the approach for me. It seems like we're all unique and need to find what works for us personally. IMO some of these methods seem like 'permission slips' that you give yourself, if you follow them you *believe* you will have success, and so maybe you do... I think believing it, giving ourselves permission, is maybe the hardest part!