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Well, that's funny. The two people who had "success" with this both had 1 post and terrible grammar.

Makes you wonder?

The object is a globe.

Somewhat success. There is one in my room, but this is not that uncommon. Plausable proof? Very good though! I appreciate you trying! Please feel free to try again!

It seemed pretty straight forward to me.

There was one other thing that I noticed but I thought for sure you wouldn't have one on your desk and that was, a model of an oil drilling platform. Must be all the TV I'm watching.

Lol nope not that either. Did you see me at all?

I would like to see more people actually try this experiment. So many people here say they can OBE, so this experiment has the potential to be very interesting. The object is still there if anyone wants to try!

OK, I went to your desk a total of three times last night. Each time I observed something different (go figure). What I saw:

Trip one - Pet Turtle

Trip two - A stuffed cat

Trip three - A Jake Sully Avatar action figure

So, was I close?   

Not at all, but thanks for trying!

[It is to see whether or not you can visit a certain place and tell me what is there]

Then the title of this post is a bit misleading then.  To verify something (OBE Verification Test) is to prove it.  It should say "Object on Desk Verification Test"

It was the first sentence, not misleading

Hello, I have a simple experiment in mind. It is to see whether or not you can visit a certain place and tell me what is there. This will prove, if done correctly, that:


B. You visit real places during astral projections/out of body experiences.

I have a friend who has a little boy spirit from the 1800 that stays with her all the time. Other people have asked her who the little boy is that is with her in her car, so others can see him as well. He has told her that he plans on staying with her until she is ready to go with him. I think that is prof enough for me.

daniel

That does not have anything to do with this experiment at all. The experiment is to see if someone can view on object that is really there while projecting/OBEing. This is not to prove whether ghosts exists or astral projecting or OBEs exist.

I think I disagree with this.  Why "technically" should you get to where you need to be?  You say subconsciously I already know where Jay lives - how is this the case?  These questions arent a "bitchy" response or anything, I genuinely dont know the answers and would like to hear your views. 

Also, I read somewhere (cant remember where but may also be Robert Peterson) that alot of scientifically tested verifications fail to provide accurate results - one example was a guy who had to verify an object in an adjoining room (an American Flag).  When he returned back to body, he drew a rectangle with a box in the top left.  Obviously this represents the US flag which is a successful verification, however the US flag is one of the most recognizable visual objects in the world, yet this experienced projector could not "see" it clearly and did not know it was the USA flag.  This shows the differences between physical and non-physical perception.

And lets not forget, when we have an OBE/AP we do not use physical eyes, and therefore our vision is not limited to the specific workings of a physical eye.  When we use physical eyes to look at something, the same thing happens EVERY time - light travels, hits the eye, the eye submits signal to the brain etc etc - like a machine.  What happens when we view something with non-physical eyes?  Nobody knows!  There is nothing physical to dissect and work out how it works.  So even if we do get into the exact location (which I still dont think would be easy unless its a person or a location we know), the test would still "fail" because the object seen may appear different to physical reality.

Still, its a great test and I hope people do try it - I just wouldnt count this kind of thing as "proof" because either a right or a wrong guess could be achieved in many ways and even a wrong guess could actually be a successful verification but with the object perceived differently, such as the USA flag example above.

The experiment asks for someone to try it, not to theorize why it would be incorrect. That is the point of the experiment. I would like it if you, or anyone, gave it a try just to give a shot at it. There's no punishment for being wrong, but we get nowhere if all we do is try to disprove it with words.

That's a good write-up! Thanks for posting! 

You are very welcome. Thanks for your response!

Last night I tried this but could not wake up after the 1-2 hour nap. I was disorientated and decided it was better to just sleep. Lol

I have indeed traveled to a real place when OBE and I have also verified - I do not need anyone to believe me as the experience itself is verification enough for ME.  But like I said, while these kind of experiments are interesting, I think it is highly unlikely that simply by posting a picture of a desk which could be anywhere, that anyone will have success projecting there.

In Robert Petersons book "Lessons out of the body" he states the following which I have summarised into the problem headings without going into the actual text.  He uses an example where "John" but lets call him "Jay" asks him via email to verify an object in Jay's home.  The words in brackets are mine and not from the book:

*Problem 1 - I dont know where Jay lives
*Problem 2 - (Lets say Jay lives in Cleveland) How do I get to Cleveland (walk, run, fly, Teleport)?
*Problem 3 - (Lets say I decide to fly) How do I find Cleveland?
*Problem 4 - (Lets say I know Cleveland is 1000 miles west) How do I find Jay's street in Cleveland?
*Problem 5 - (Lets see I have Jays address) How do I find Jays exact House?
*Problem 6 - (Lets say I find Jays house) How do I find the desk inside the house?
*Problem 7 - There are differences between physical reality and the reality experiences when out of body (ill mention this more in a second)
*Problem 8 - If I find the desk and observe it, I am depending on memory alone (cannot takes notes) which could distort what really is seen
*Problem 9 - What constitutes as "proof"?  (how can you REALLY verify the truth?  It could be a guess or some other form of ESP etc)

Going back to problem 7 - which I think is the main problem assuming all of the other preceding ones are resolved - is that (IMO) when you are out of body, you are not wandering around the actual physical world, but a very close "replica" operating on a different level of vibration or consciousness.  This introduces reality fluctuations meaning that if the object you want me to view is a red cup, I may see it as a green vase.  This doesnt mean the experiment has failed, but highlights the problem with the differences of physical (stable) and non-physical (fluid) realities and the issue of obtaining proof.

Personally, I do (or did) understand the need for verification so I totally understand your reasons for this "test" however once you experience an OBE (you may or may not have) then the whole verification thing is meaningless because you will KNOW.

I suggest, if you are hell bent on verification, to get it yourself by conducting your own experiment in your own locale.  At the end of the day, who do you need to prove this to?  Only yourself.

To highlight this, I going to literally guess at the object - if I am right then you can see "proof" is silly because it was just a guess.  If I am wrong, well it doesnt matter because the chances of me being wrong but also succeeding in the test are also high based on the above problems, especially reality fluctuations.

I think [rubs temples and hums]...[more humming]...[oh an itch, scratch my balls]...[more humming]....AHA!! Its a blue phone.  Or is it a plant?

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I'm not really bent on it, it's just interesting. Even though the points you made were very good, it'd still be cool if some of you tried it.

There are all sorts of issues attached with traveling to a specific location, and I personally think it helps if you actually know the place and in particularly the feel of the place / person you want to visit.  I doubt very much anyone can just say "take me that there desk from the picture" and will be in your home.  There are probably 100's of thousands of desks like that one, so why would you be taken to yours specifically?   

I'm all for experiments such as this one, however when a random internet bod asks people to verify the reality of OBE by going to his house, the chances of success are (IMHO) ridiculously small.  Verification tests are best done in closer locales and/or which the OBEer knows well so they can actually find the thing!  For example I did a verification test in my own home with my wife verifying it - I know where I live so this was a good start.

Besides, if you want to verify OBE realness, practice and have one yourself.  I promise you will never doubt their realness again.

It seems both you and the poster below you are under the assumption that I don't believe in OBE's or astrally projecting. This is quite untrue, as I have had many experiences I can not explain myself.

The test is to see if one can travel to a place that is real (defined by the physical world we see now) and verify that they have seen something that is really there. Kind of like remote viewing. I in no way doubt that you cannot OBE ( or that it's not possible).

For my sake, would you like to at least give it a try?

You have nothing to lose, it would be very interesting.

Actually, we have two separate people with two separate "objects".
Bacterio's exists solely on Astral Pulse Island.
Graytraveler's object, I believe is held within his home and is a tangible physical reality object.

However, there's little reason we couldn't add a third object into the mix! 

~Ryan

Lol that sounds good. If anyone would like to try, go right ahead.

Have you seen the "API Experiment" thread?

I just read it now. This is different, this is an actual physical object to be verified in the real world. I believe the "API" thread is about something formed by thought.

Hello, I have a simple experiment in mind. It is to see whether or not you can visit a certain place and tell me what is there. This will prove, if done correctly, that:

A. Astral projection/out of body experiences are real (this does not disprove if no one can tell me what is at the certain place)

B. You visit real places during astral projections/out of body experiences.

The test is simple. Just name the thing that is on my desk in my room that is out of the ordinary. It's not extremely odd, but most people would not have the item there.

Any takers? Below is a picture of my desk with nothing on it besides my speakers and headphones. If you need anything else for the experiment let me know. Also, be sure to tell me if you intend to try it or not. Thanks!

I used this last night. Here's my scenario.


The morning of the day I tried this
Woke up at 10:50am, ate breakfast, everything was normal.

Nap
Napped at approx. 1:20am (time of falling asleep) and woke up at 2:20am

Time of trying method
Tried method at approx. 3:30am. About 20 minutes through, my whole body started to vibrate. This lasted for about 6 seconds. I'm not sure if I felt the "shift" he talks about in this method. I definitly didn't have the instinct that I was in the new state of awareness.

Has anyone else experienced the vibrating? Can someone give me some pointers?

[Bedeekin's Method]

Bedeekin's Method

Hello guys, I have a technique to share with you today. It is called Beedekin's Method in honor of the person who created it and it gives us a name to refer to it as since for all I know, it's unique. I did not create this method and take no credit for it, the person who created it, for all I know is called Beedekin. I have not been able to try it myself yet but I will definitly do so tonight and tell you if it works. This technique is said to actually work very well and many people have had OBE's with it or at least some form of success. Here is the method (copied from sources listed below):

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Failure to actually have an Out-Of-Body Experience seems to be the most common 'experience' among the massive group of people who wish to have one. This frustrates me as much as those who fail because of the wall I run into when trying to teach them. There are many reasons why people are unsuccessful at achieving the state.

One main reason is down to the 'wealth' of information one can pick up online and the paragraphs of most OOBE related books in general. I see many posts on sites that say something along the lines of 'I've been researching Astral Projection for ages and now I'm ready to learn how to have one'. This is like saying 'I have been researching UFOs for ages and now I'm ready to see one'. While they had their best interest at heart because to be fair it is a great idea to research a subject before heading into it head first, this isn't sky diving. Also, if you wish to research sky diving because you have an interest in doing it, their aren't many sources available that would profess to know about it and print blatant fabricated facts. Unfortunately the same can't be said for OOBEs.

A common mistake that people make is a preconceived idea of what OOBES are because of the evident rubbish that is widely available. For instance they may have read that when they enter the Vibrational State (VS) they must call upon their spirit guide to help pull  them out. This may fit in with their spiritual beliefs and so if they reach the VS and call upon this mythical guide he/she/it may not appear... which will then have a negative effect on their sense of success. I myself have never seen a spirit guide although I'm sure I could create one if I wished... emphasis on 'create'.

What I am saying is that to enter the subject with a quasi-religious belief system will only get in the way of success because it just isn't so.

The majority of the 'wealth' of knowledge that one may have aquired by trawling through the pile of information at hand, is as useful as a chocolate fireguard and should be cast off so that one can start afresh and learn from a first hand perspective. I had the advantage of self learning without any outside influences such as the internet and only a few books at hand that I mainly used as a checklist of affirmation that I wasn't weird.

Unlearn what you think you have learned.

So let's get rid of a few misconceptions about OOBEs that often arise through New-age belief-centricity and blatant un-truths that get thrown about due to the writings of popular so-called AP gurus.  

*you need to learn how to achieve transcendental meditation and control the energy flow of your chakras.

Not true. You just need to keep your mind passively active while your body relaxes into the sleep slate or be able to slip from a lucid dream into the trance state. Chakras are an eastern philosophy that were origionally intended for use during wake induced meditation and have nothing to do with OOBEs until they were pounced upon by the New-age movement during the early part of the 1900s by the Theosophical Society and integrated into 'astral projection'. Involving chakra opening, long meditation practice is basically a waste of precious time. If you feel better practicing these semi-religious activities in order to success then go for it... the same can be said for taking your lucky teddy-bear into exams; if it makes you feel that it will make you perform better there's no harm... but in the grand scheme of things there's also no point.  

*you need to learn protection so that you're not attacked by lower astral negative entities and demons.

Rubbish. There are no lower entities or monsters waiting to attack you while you 'leave your body'. I can attest to this because I've had over three thousand OOBEs over a 25 year period and I have never been attacked or harmed or indeed possessed by anyone or anything. When you enter the State you are merely consciously aware of an otherwise unconscious process you have gone through every night you've entered sleep since you were born.

*Your bed or body has to be facing a certain way/position.

No harm can be done by lying a certain way... if you think it will work then do it. Sleep on the floor... in the kitchen... on the sofa... with a pillow or without... on your back, front, side or head... if it's the way you normally sleep... do it.

*You need to breath a certain way... in through the nose out through the mouth etc.

Not so... just breath as you normally do. Your breathing self regulates once you enter the state. Don't pay any attention to your breathing.
I'm sure I'll come across other misconceptions as I'm writing... I'll bullet-point important things like that along the way.

There are three main ways to enter the 'State'; before sleep, during REM dream sleep and upon waking from a nights sleep.

*Before sleep state induction. this requires a set up 'pre-sleep' that primes you biochemically and physiologically to enter the state.

*REM dream sleep induction requires a grasp of Lucid Dreaming and is a bit hit and miss for the newbie.

*Waking state induction requires the ability to recognize that you have woken up and at that very moment remembering not to move, roll over, scratch an itch or open the eyes... or even to start listening to the noises around you. It takes a bit of practice but it is a very successful way of entering the State.

There are two very different types of OOBE.

* Astral Projection. This is a whole body projection into an environment that is commonly referred to in new-age writings as the Astral Realm. A strange word to use because it conjures up pre-conceived images of a starry mythical realm filled with beings of astral energy etc. However upon entering it, it's soon realized that it is more familiar as the landscape or world you encounter when dreaming. But you have entered through the back door, and can objectively investigate and explore it without suffering from the sub-conscious imagery you are normally blinded by or the story-line you are normally wrapped up in when dreaming. Within the 'Astral'... not even the sky is the limit. This environment, however real it seems may be considered a virtual world that is created by the projector or an actual authentic realm. Upon experiencing it, believing that it is real or fabricated matters not because it is indistinguishable from reality... even surpassing normal reality in quality and 'reality'.

* 1st Phase OOBE. This is seemingly a projection into this reality, often referred to in new-age philosophy as an 'ethereal projection'. It is much more difficult to achieve because of the way it is entered; during Sleep Paralysis. Apart from the fact that it takes place in this time and reality, the main difference from AP is that instead of experiencing it in body, you are seemingly a free floating point of conscious awareness. This phase can lead on to 2nd Phase which is again experienced as a free floating consciousness but is not in this reality.

Both of these different OOBEs are experienced by entering the state in varied degrees of deepness.

PRE-SLEEP INDUCTION

This method is the main one I personally use. I have used the other methods but this one when done correctly does make for a strong experience. It's also the one I predominantly teach or rather explain. The main key to achieving it is the pre-sleep or nap. I previously posted this method but soon realized that it was too specific about hours spent in the nap and between the nap and going to to bed to enter the state. And it needed more explanation and a detailed phenomenological breakdown.

The basic goal is to prime yourself by having an hour or an hour and a half of non-dream sleep in the evening. This nap can be taken at any time after 6pm providing that you are actually tired and that you attempt to induce the state within four hours at the most after waking.

For example:

if you decide to take an hour nap at 8pm and wake at 9pm make sure you attempt induction after 10 and before 1am.
however, if you wait till after midnight then it is possible to have an hour nap, wake up for about half an hour then attempt induction. I have used this many times when it's been impossible to get a good nap during the evening.

All you have to remember is that you nap solidly and do not under any circumstances drift back off to sleep upon waking from it, otherwise you will dream and ruin your chance for state inducement.

There is a certain way of feeling between the nap and state inducement that indicates that you are primed... the physical symptoms that indicate that you are primed for the state are among other things; itchy eyed, borderline tired and alert, slightly hypertensive or having the mild sensation that you may be coming down with a cold and a slow steady heart rate.

Two things to note:

* the nap or a non-dream pre-sleep is very important and could be considered the 'key' to the whole experience.  

* Do not force the nap. You need to be sleepy for it to work.

The only real way to make sure you are correctly primed is to induce the state and there are many effective ways to do this.

First of all you have to lay down on a comfortable surface; a bed, a couch, a hammock, the back seat of a car, whatever you find comfortable. Any position will work. I personally lie on my back or side. It doesn't matter whether you use a pillow or not. You can have bed covers on or not. Just make sure you are comfortable.
Close your eyes... this sounds obvious, but some people actually ask 'do I close my eyes?'
Let your mind do its own thing for a couple of minutes... then try to quieten your mind. Don't worry too much about this. The main thing is to lie as still as possible.

A couple of things you should not pay any attention to because they are simply a waste of thought;

*any limb or body twitches

*the phosphorescent light show your eyes give off such as blobs of light etc

*subtle localized buzzing in your muscles or fingertips

*breathing

*the position of your head

All you need to think about at this point is to become calm and stay passively conscious. To let your body relax. This should take no more than 5 to 10 minutes.

It's at this point that you can use different methods to bring on the state.

This is the one method I have used for 25 years and really can't comment on others. I'm sure you may have one that you usually try inducing with... but for the sake of this guide try this one.

When you feel relaxed start to think of a sound, word, song or name... think of it as though you are expecting to here it. Roll it around in your head. Imagine it in your head clearly. Alternatively you can simply imagine a voice rambling, or talking, as though talking to you. This imagined sound will start to take on a life of it's own and may amplify.

If you are trying to do this for more than ten minutes and nothing interesting happens, you probably aren't primed for the occasion. I only say this because the state shift is quite rapid if the pre-sleep was done correctly. I will mention that ten minutes of just simply lying still can feel like a long time.

If you are primed, when the sound increases you may feel a rush of alert relaxation washing over your body coupled with a distinct shift in conscious awareness. It's a very difficult feeling to describe other than it is a 'switch over'. You should feel like your awareness has took on a new spatiality. It almost feels like your head clears, like a bunged up nostril does when it clears after being blocked during a cold. You should also instinctively feel that you are in the state either because you have felt this before or that it is something new. At this point you must try to stay passive, calm and try to not get excited. A sound like you have your ears to a conch-shell should be heard. you may experience little intermittent bursts of rumbling - like the rumbling you hear when you strain your inner ear muscles when you yawn. Your limbs will feel like they have been anesthetized by Nitrous Oxide...

Here's a quick checklist of symptoms indicating successful entrance into the state:

* a sudden rush of relaxation

* a very distinct flip/shift/switch to a spatially different state of conscious awareness.

* instinctive knowing that you are in the state.

* auditory sensations like hissing, the sound of listening to a conch-shell and intermittent bursts of rumbling.

* a tingling numbed anesthetized sensation, most noticeably in the limbs.

At the point you realize you are in the state it is time to act quickly to enter an Astral Projection. Waiting for, or encouraging full vibrational sleep paralysis will make it possible to enter a 1st phase. For now we will walk before we can run and learn how to Astrally Project.

Astral Projection

Upon instant identification of entry into the state it is necessary to employ a swift separation technique to avoid becoming embroiled in full sleep paralysis. There are a multitude of separation methods such as, rolling out, dropping through the body, imagining a magnet pulling you out, imagining you are a balloon, picking a point in space to reach, imagining being propelled out like a rocket... and many many more. The one that is most effective for the purposes of this guide and because it is my most used method so far, is the 'climbing the rope' technique.

You may want to place a pillow or cushion across your lower abdomen or lay with your hands on top of the bed covers before you start to relax. This ensures a soft surface so as to ease the transition of losing sensation in them. It's up to you.

Once you feel that you have shifted into the state you will have lost the tactile sensation of your hands but still retained the sensation of their relative position.. i.e. you will still know and feel that you have hands.

What you need to do at this point is to actually reach up and grab a rope. Don't visualize the rope... expect it to be there. Don't worry about how it should feel just do it. I can't stress this enough.

* Do not 'imagine' yourself doing it.

* Just do it.

* Don't think about it.

* just do it.

* The movement of your phantom limbs is instinctual.

There will be a rope there... not necessarily an actual rope, made of fibers or hemp... it is simply a leverage point for you to grasp. Give no time to thinking about the rope, what it is, why it is there, how it is there or how you should move to grab it.

JUST GRAB THE ROPE BECAUSE IT IS THERE ABOVE YOU READY TO BE GRABBED.

The instant you have it pull yourself up... hand over hand... like you would if you were pulling yourself up a rope. Do it with deliberation... do it aggressively, steadily and fast. Pull yourself up the rope. Don't even consider that you may be pulling yourself out of your physical or because of how real it seems that you must be doing it physically. Don't pay   attention to any of the sensations. If there is resistance, put some struggle into it... pull hard. Eventually and quickly you should suddenly be 'Free'.

Failure usually takes place because of thinking too much or over analyzing what is happening. Also paying too much heed to sensations leads to considerable failure to stay in the state and out of body. These analytical thoughts should be reserved for after the experience and marked down in your journal. When you are in the state everything should be done on impulse and with deliberate action.

failure to stay within the state will transpire if:

* Too much thought is given trying to visualize the rope or analyzing what is happening.

* Thinking about how the sensations feel.

* pausing or remaining still too long - this can be as less as 5 seconds.

* Believing that this can't be happening or the disbelief that the rope is there.

* Merely imagining movement.

Success at staying within the state will transpire if:

* you instantly acknowledge that the rope is there.

* you get on with it.

* You keep moving.

* You take it for granted that you are doing it.

Staying still and waiting for something to happen after the state shift, is the most common mistake beginners make; to no fault of their own. It is after all an amazing experience that feels more real than reality yet something they may never have experienced before. The secret is to be actively engaged yet flippant and passive throughout the experience. You may say that's two opposites, but keep in mind that you do this when playing a video game or when engaged in sport.... you don't think about what you are doing but you are totally absorbed in the activity. This is part of the mindset of the state.
I chose the 'climbing the rope' technique because it consists of one very important thing... that of 'action' and vigorous 'movement', probably the most important aspect of staying within the state and Out of Body. Constant movement and observation is the key to 'anchoring' yourself in the 'Astral'... any extended lapse in movement or doubt - which normally takes the form of thoughts of your actual physical body - will cause re-physicality and an end to the experience. You can however 'rescue' the experience by instantly realizing you are returning to the physical by anchoring yourself in the out of body state.

Anchoring yourself in the 'Astral' body and Environment.

Once you are out what now? If you think this for too long while staying still you will phase back into your physical. So, You literally have to anchor yourself in the experience. The main objective of anchoring is to keep you immersed in the experience by disassociating your conscious perception from your physical perception.
The first thing you will most probably experience is blindness. So you can kill two birds with one stone by rubbing your hands together in front of your face and blowing on them... the tactile sensation of doing this will absolutely astound you and by concentrating on feeling and seeing, your hands will start to develop in your field of vision - very much like a polaroid picture appears. Look at your hands... the creases the folds of skin, your fingernails. The more you engross yourself in the OOBE the more you will see and feel. Reach out and feel for a floor, a wall... furniture. Keep on the move, constantly looking, moving, taking in the richness and amazing detail of the World around you. Try to keep your eyes on nearby objects... if you look too far into the distance you may end up there in an instant. You must keep active and engaged to root yourself. The more you anchor yourself the more vivid the world will be around you
You can use the hand rubbing technique as a safety net at any point you feel yourself return to your physical.

Do's

Be blatant and have intent

touch your surroundings

touch yourself, like your hands, your face etc

investigate everything

explore

Don'ts

Stay still

worry

doubt

think of your physical body

panic if you think you are losing clarity

Remember - thought and intent controls environment and actions.    

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Sources: (read for people's experiences. I know the youtube video has reports of success from a few people)

Youtube video part one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-9hETPjJlo

Youtube video part two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKglrf2-co0&feature=fvw

Original Article: (you may need to register to view this link, but everything regarding the technique is already here)
http://astralviewers.com/articles/new-comprehensive-astral-projection-guide/