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[quoteCan I join again ? 

My motivation was coming from the wrong place before so I had to drop out as it wasnt good for me. I've sorted that out now and found the right motivation so I want back in if you'll have me.

I'm prepared to put the work in and will ask my guides to help as well if they want to.][/quote]

You certainly can...I say after I already reaproved you on the site. Anyone is welcome to join as long as they're actually interested. I've had to adopt the policy of dropping anyone who doesn't show themselves for a week because participation is kind of the point in this case. Counting Blis we're only four strong now so we're waiting for more members to start trying again but anyone who wants to feel free to join. Just check in every coule days to see how much we've grownand when we start buying tickets and trying again.

Of course non-US people can join.  I'll be a non-US person after Christmas when I go back to Hong Kong.

Jarrod...you said it all!  It's all there, people.  It is the most logical perspective thus far.  Shaggedelic, baby! 

Thanks Summerlander.  I must admit I didn't read this whole thread though.  I just read the initial question and felt like sharing the perspective I gained from studying Tantra.  If you're interested in more explanations like that you should acquire a book called The Book of Secrets by Osho.

Sex: yes please
Religion: no thanks

Haha.  That reminds me of Austin Powers: "Sex: yes please"

The sexual part of people gets repressed into the subconscious as we're growing up when we're still little out of necessity.  It has to for any kind of society to function, just like toilet training is a necessity.  It isn't natural, but it has to be done for this unnatural way in which we live called society to work.  Everything that would inhibit our acceptance into society is repressed into the subconsciousness.  This is where the duality of the human condition comes from.  So these hidden aspects of our self are felt as separate intruding forces we must fight against to maintain our place in society.  We fear what's hidden inside us that could make us unacceptable if we let it out.  Religion is ultimately about being acceptable, whether it be acceptance from your fellow believers or from God.  It's about controlling oneself to be good enough for something.  Thus naturally the things which had to be buried to make you suitable for human society are going to become the enemy to any religion.

I'll volunteer for OBE relates stuff Summerlander, if there's a need for people who can't do it at will yet... Haha

it's just like projection.  you have to be willing to let go for both to work.

Yeah the "let go" necessity.  I'm aware of that, and completely willing and able to.  I can let go like a pro.  It's retaining consciousness past that point that's the problem.

Why I want to learn how to do it:

1) So I can know my own mind better.  Dreams are basically one's own mind experienced objectively and if I can learn to always be conscious during them I can learn more about my own subconscious mind and resolve all kinds of issues.

2) I want to learn how to shift the experience to the real time zone for a few reasons.  I've accidentally verified a rtz experience for myself before so I know it's real.  One reason I want to be able to do it consistently is because my family lives in the US and my girlfriend lives in Hong Kong.  I'm in HK right now and would love to be able to visit my family in the rtz, and to visit my girlfriend when I'm in the US.  Also, there are other more personal gain involved reasons for wanting to be the proverbial fly on the wall at any place.

3) I want a more effective way to do energy work on myself.

4) I want to find out if I have any spirit guides, and if so talk with them.

5) It's pretty darn fun to fly.

Hypnosis only works on you if you want it to right?  That's what I've always heard.  So if you don't trust somebody they probably couldn't put you in hypnosis anyway because your mind wouldn't be able to let it's guard down enough.

One more person from the pulse joined so we have 8 now.  Everybody who's a member needs to check the site every day.  When everybody has replied to my first post so that I know everybody is paying attention I'll recap what we're about and we can decide when to meet in chat.

I've started a thread on the site, so those already in the group should go there to check it out and reply.  Once everybody's replied I'll give a recap on our goal and method and we can set a time to meet in chat.

Good.  The more the merrier.

I'll remove you from the group if you're sure you want to withdraw Blis.  In my opinion it was probably self created but that's just my opinion.  I didn't have the experience.  Even if it wasn't, it's not really like they could actually hurt you in the Spirit World.  The most an outside entity can do is scare you.  The only possible danger I see is that if it was external and they saw what you physically look like they might could come after you if we succeed.  But I highly doubt it.

I am in :] I'll join the group, and help out!
although I do not know how helpful I will be to the goal. I believe it will work, but I am still trying to learn to meditate, and I would assume meditating on those lottery numbers would increase the energy that is sent to those numbers.

Approved.  That's 7 now.  If you believe it can work and genuinely contribute you'll be helpful.

The fact that it's so random isn't changed much by the fact that millions of individuals are all focusing in varying degrees on different outcomes.  It's still a delicate system of causality which could tip an any direction because it's being pulled in millions.  We're different by having several people focus on the same outcome.

Well we still have 6 people.  There was n 7th who seemed interested but hasn't joined yet.

I was trying to stay conscious the other night as I went to sleep and eventually I started to feel my energy body trying to jerk away at my chest.  It was kind of like a short build up of energy and then a quick spasming up feeling but sometimes my physical body would get caught up in it too and my physical chest would jerk up also.  I doubt that happens when I fall asleep normally, so was it because I was conscious that my physical body thought it should join in too?

It certainly was.  But if you become lucid in a dream there's no need to astral project.  You're already in the non-physical.  You just need to ground yourself there and learn how to maintain and control the experience.

Once we get to 10 people I see we give it a go.

When we get 10 people we'll move the conversation to groupbox and get this thing rolling.

You're approved Lexy.  +1

just make sure the friends are reliable

That's what I mean by "good candidates."

And that's right, money isn't negative.  Just like bullets aren't bad.  People can be negative or positive...or neither, but tools are just tools.  I think things can retain the negative or positive energy people put in them, but energy can be easily changed and probably affects you relative to how you think it will.  Like in the Skeleton Key how hoodoo can only hurt you if you believe in it.

I want to put my winnings towards consciousness studies... maybe set up an institute similar to the Monroe institute to further explore this exciting stuff. 

One good lesson to teach in that institute would be how it was founded.  Haha

We're still at 5 people.  When Lexy and my two friends who were interested join that'll be 8.  If any of you know somebody whom you think would be a good candidate you can tell them about it.  We'll start when we're at 10-15 people.

Thanks BlueHalcyon. 

As for the energy of the money from a lottery pot being negative; I don't really think that it would be.  That's just my opinion though.  I think most people who buy a ticket do so with either a neutral or a mildly hopeful attitude.  I'm sure gambling addicts spread a little of their negative energy, but I don't think it would be enough to make the overall energy of the prize negative, at least in a lottery.  It probably would be in a casino though.  I'm not even really sure if the quality of the energy that came along with the prize would matter.  I think energy can be changed.  The attitude with which the money is received and handled probably has a pretty big impact on its energy too.  My personal plan if this works is to get to a certain level of wealth and then start giving all the money after that to charities and good causes.  I want to be one of the rich people who makes the world a better place.  As they say, you have to have money to make money.  The richer you are the more excess money you can harvest from investments and give away.

I'm still in this..save me a spot..been really busy lately.

Spot saved

If one of us wins we need to split it amongst the group
no matter where we play. Can you paypal millions? 

I don't know...I was just waiting until we got to it to handle that.

With all the money we win we can meet up at some nice hotel and give bags of cash. 

Good idea.

I had a dream a few nights ago where someone told me this whole lottery thing was a good idea. Can't want to win it. 

That's encouraging

Blis accepted.

I reckon we should have a picture of what the draw machine and tv prsenters and set look like to help us visualize it so we're concentrating on the same draw. At the very least know the colours of the balls. Would help to know the voice of the guy who announces the numbers too.

I was wondering, do you think we might stand a better chance if we all watched the same draw live and tried to will each ball at the moment its drawn?

As pointed out by somebody else, not all of us will have access to the same live draw.  I'm living in Hong Kong right now  

IMO, the best way is for us to feel like we already won before the drawing. Choose the reality we want to slip into in the moment. The numbers and all that are irrelevant to to feeling we give off.

Both of these methods are legitimate, but it depends on how you yourself believe it works.  I think this is the basic difference between carefully directed psychic manipulation and a spell, the way you approach it.  The problem with being too detail oriented is that the details could distract from the goal and you really can't know all the details anyway because reality is way too complex.  And the problem with ignoring the details altogether and focusing on the outcome only is that a basic knowledge of the details can help to have a more educated and well defined goal to focus on.

If ritual magic is a part of your practice then cast a spell; If you're religious then pray; If you're a psychic then just focus.  I think we should have some details so we can all be on the same page but not be too focused on having them all.  We'll need to know when and where the drawing will be and the numbers on our ticket.  Use all the time in-between when we're told the numbers and the drawing to use whatever method of focusing suits you best.  We can also youtube a recording of that drawing in the past so we can have a visualization to focus on.

Would it not be better if we all tried to purchase a ticket from the same lottery, (power ball, mega millions) with the same numbers, and concentrate on them that way??

No.  There would be no point in more than one person purchasing a ticket with the same numbers if the pot will be split among us anyway.  There would also be virtually no point in more than one person purchasing tickets with different numbers because we're not playing the odds; that's called gambling.  We're trying to win.  One ticket is enough.  Also, we don't all live in the same place.

We don't need to discuss numbers on here though.  When there's at least 10 people in the groupbox group we can discuss it on there.

I wasn't planning to start trying until we have at least 10 people in the group.  We'll compare the biggest pot in our local lotteries and the person who's nearest the biggest one will buy a ticket for it and tell the group the numbers and when and where the draw will be, preferably for a draw that's in at least a few days so we all have time to focus.

Alrighty.  Kaje and Andrew now approved.  While using the numbers you got in your confirmation email is worth a try, the idea of having a group is so we can use our collective ability.  We can't do that trying to predict numbers.  We need to use our collective focus to try to make certain numbers appear, all focusing on the same numbers.