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hey i still haven't met another person who can astral project(outside of the internet). I'm looking forward to finding someone that can do it as i know id be able to relate to this person on things that i usually keep to myself. a lot of people, just about everyone has no clue what this is and aren't open to the more in-depth knowledge of the universe. I've tried to start explaining to friends but they either get uncomfortable or like two friends of mine that actually got into it slowly gave up since they couldn't have an obe. i myself am not that experienced I've had over 15 in a year but lately I've been in a slump. the more i talk about it and think about it the more chances i have of having an obe.

if your in miami and you are trying or are experienced in astral projecting, let me know it'd be nice to meet another person thats 'awake' and able to project. always openminded.

has anybody else stopped getting vibrations halfway thru their 'learning astral projection' experience?

i used to get the vibrations back when i started OBE'S but ive noticed that after the first maybe 5 experiences i never got the vibrations, ever again. why ? and is this an advantage or a disadvantage? am i just not staying aware when its happening?

robert monroe in "journeys out of body" mentions holding your awareness and one of the methods to produce an obe is to simply look straight ahead above your forehead maybe a foot ahead, then after your awareness is held there move out to 3 feet, and then finally 9 feet. then after you have focused your awareness and are able to hold it at 9 feet away from your forehead you have to bring it up to a 90 degree angle parallel to your body going up over your head. after you hold it there for a bit your spose to feel the vibrations or a zap or sound of some sort in your head. he then says to mentally pull it down into the body from the top of the head and it should start vibrations. he says being able to control the vibrations and eventually calling it at will (which is how he usually went about starting a obe is finding the vibrations) will help you master inducing an obe at will easier because once you "know where they are"you can just mentally go into that spot and just "turn on the switch".

would getting the vibrations help my process? maybe help me stay consciously aware? because all i get instead of the vibrations is a moment of black out and then i regain consciousness but maybe during these 2 mins or however much time its for is the moment when the "vibrations" are starting?

does it even matter or make a difference? (im pretty good at inducing obes thru lucid dreams but i suck trying to induce one from an awake state, focused or meditative state. )

***meant to start a whole new topic dunno why its showing up here under this one :/

saying 'mind aware(i like aware more than awake), body asleep.'
or
holding my focus still in my mind on one thing like a image or scenery just any random thing and +i try to hold it as long as possible without actually falling asleep, or slipping into other thoughts.... .

  like this question. its hard for me to put it into words. but ill try

For me, in my opinion, when i finally do get an OBE its the best feeling in the world! i feel so aware, like you were just sleeping or dreaming and you wake up but you dont have that moment of vague or tired/weak consciousness in between it goes from like no consciousness to probably the most aware you have been in real regular waking life. sometimes i tend to get either a blue flash or sort of like peaks of whats around but i dont usually get my vision right away as alot of other people dont as i understand. they say getting away from your physical helps and i usually get it when im a few feet away or sometimes i get it right away. i think for me and everyone else its always different.

im usually floating or flying out of my body, so of course i get the floating, light as a feather feeling.

my vision when i started to have them was vague or greyish/distorted but now i usually get it pretty quick, but the moment i get my astral vision it takes me a couple seconds/minutes to "adjust it" or get used to it.

See when you first come out (with me itleast) and this is one of the things i found the COOLEST! was that i could see in all directions simultaneously. it can be annoying because seeing back front left and right even above and below, and your trying to focus in one direction, lets say to your right, you dun really know whats what. but this problem goes away pretty quickly as you focus on your right and maybe focus on what your looking at usually its like the other sides stop working (not really you stay seeing out of all sides still but you learn how to focus in one direction at a time as you would with your physical eyes)

but for example when i turned around and was walking back towards my room i heard something behind me and when i thought behind me my focus/vision switched from the front where i was looking at, to the back even though i was still facing frontward. and as soon as my thought about whats behind when away it switched back to front(not really switched because i could concentrate on both simultaneously if i want to but since we're used to being able to see through two eyes and a 180 degree view ahead of us, it feels almost confusing when you use the whole 360 view).

basically your thought and focus controls your vision. i love that! i find it amazing like we have 5 senses in the physical but in the astral body its like we have 20. Also i love that when you first come out, if theres something or someone around, you dont have to see them usually you feel presences. If i stop and look at my house and kind of "sense" around i guess you can say or focus on it i can feel if theres other beings or people or if its empty and just me. ALSO you have what i call "DUALITY" feeling. you feel like your in two places at once, like your consciousness is split. i can feel myself walkind down my hallway in my astral body but at the same time simultaneiously also conscious of myphysical body still in bed and how im lying there or breathing.
and if your still a beginner like me im sure you get everything i mentioned as well as an adrenaline rush/excitement that in order to prolong the experience you have to keep it under control or back to your body you go  .

SO ONCE AGAIN, FIRST FEELINGS ARE=
(you might get extra feelings or skip some but in my case here you go:)

1)BLUE FLASH/STARFIELD/MOMENT OF BLACKNESS/SPIRAL ETC. (i guess also depends on you and the method)
2)SUDDEN CONSCIOUS AWARENESS(cannot be confused with dream/day dream/hallucination, if its actually obe, you will know for sure)
3)FLOATING OR FLYING FEELING/LIGHT AS A FEATHER FEELING(usually just coming out of the physical but sometimes im already out over it floating etc)
4)VISION DISTORTION FOLLOWED BY VISION FOCUS CONTROL/ADAPTATION
5)'DUAL'//TWO PLACES AT ONCE FEELING

The insistence of the scientific establishment on insisting this is the only planet with life is a leftover visceral belief that we are "God's only creation" leftover from religious belief.  

agreed...i think its kind of selfish and ignorant to think we are the only ones.

welcome! you'll love this place i find just about all the information i need on here and if not theres plenty of experienced projectors who have helped me out/can help you out too.

looking forward to reading your future experiences

so science is starting to find out what many astral projectors have experienced first hand. that there are way more planets then we believe and that theres a possibility of more stable planets out there that have more potential to harbor life.

heres the article:

-associated press-02/02/2011
"   WASHINGTON – NASA's planet-hunting telescope is finding whole new worlds of possibilities in the search for alien life. An early report from a cosmic census indicates that relatively small planets and stable multi-planet systems are far more plentiful than previous searches showed.

NASA released new data Wednesday from its Kepler telescope on more than 1,000 possible new planets outside our solar system — more than doubling the count of what astronomers call exoplanets. They haven't been confirmed as planets yet, but some astronomers estimate that 90 percent of what Kepler has found will eventually be verified.

Kepler, launched in 2009, has been orbiting the sun between Earth and Mars, conducting a planet census and searching for Earth-like planets since last year. It has found there are more planets that are much smaller than Jupiter — the biggest planet in our solar system — than there are giant planets.

Some of these even approach Earth's size. That means they are better potential candidates for life than the behemoths that are more easily spotted, astronomers say.

While Kepler hasn't yet found planets that are as small as Earth, all the results are "pointing in the right direction," said University of California Santa Cruz astronomer Jonathan Fortney, a Kepler researcher.

Yale University exoplanet expert Debra Fischer, who wasn't part of the Kepler team but serves as an outside expert for NASA, said the new information "gives us a much firmer footing" in eventual hopes for worlds that could harbor life.

"I feel different today knowing these new Kepler results than I did a week ago," Fischer said.  +End"

what a waste of space space is if we were really the only life out there 

lol good idea nomes, but i cant tell which number is the one thats gonna be off...it could be the first or the second or the third.... but it does tend to be off by 1....the possibilities would add up to around 30 possible numbers if i go up and down 5 on each number....hmmm, you know what i might try it tho when i see another number and have bout 30/40 dollars to gamble away cus i mean, i guess it would be worth it, to spend around 40 bucks with the potential of winning around 5000 dollars in return on the cash 3.   

however am i the only one that feels a little guilty though when trying to use the "gift"/ability of projecting for lottery numbers? i feel like God would frown on it, like "your one of the lucky ones that gets to discover/experience this and this is what you use it for!? "  lol

that would be nice...unfortunately everyone here seems to be scattered all over. i tried before to find other miami "projectors", with no luck.
maybe everyone should just post where they are....

Me= Miami, Florida

CFTraveler mentioned this once before, and I think it might apply here as well.
Your "astral blindness" might not be blindness at all... you might just be in a void, an "in between" focus state.  I've experienced this many times as I'm coming OUT OF a lucid/astral awareness experience.  I'll begin to feel myself wake up, at which point, I witness shift of my vision go from non-physical environment to blackness.  I just view the blackness as the in between state of non-physical and physical.
Here's the thing... when you were lucidly aware, you were *already separated*.  You were already in the non-physical... there's no reason to return to your physical body to entice a second separation, you're just causing double the trouble.

hmmm..... you know what that makes alot of sense to me....because its usually from a nonphysical environment (lucid dream/flying) which fades to pitch blackness once im trying to convert the lucid dream to an obe...maybe it is a "in-between state" or part of the process and im not being patient enough to let it carry on.

Stop trying to "separate" yourself as there really isn't any reason to and just enjoy the non-physical while you're there. 

and i do instantly try seperating like i mentioned once i feel the floating and see blackness because i remember people telling me astral blindness goes aaway when you get farther from your physical body and also i get kinda scared of "losing it" if i dont start trying seperation right away, instead of exploring or enjoying the state like you said.

..ok so basically what your saying is just ride it out and see what happens....
+will do

thanks Xanth you always give good advice ill see where that takes me

I won't go as far as use the word "god" when describing us though... I just believe we are the creator and, while physical, the created.

i like that^^^

i was having a discussion with some people on a news blog about religion, got alot of negative respond from the religious people when i posted this lol. i came from a family that made me go to church since i was born to the age of 16, 3 days a week for 2 hours each day. until i finally decided to get a full time job and used that as a excuse not to go to church saying the schedule didnt permit it even when it did or i didnt have to work i just acted like had to go to work and sat in a KFC near my house til the family left and then would go back home. my father is one of those religious fanatics...he kicked me out the house eventually cus of this. but its my view on religion i remember since i was 7 years old sitting in church and this thought came to mind, since the person giving the lecture that day was saying specifically that this religion (just like all others think) is the only right one, only way to get saved and giving his reasons on why.

"religion is the root of all evil, almost all wars start
over it and i believe the most amount of lives lost in human history
or murders or deaths have been in name of religion....its the devils
tool...he wants mankind to be divided, God would want the opposite he
would want all of us to come together as one, treat others as you
would like to be treated, thou shalt not kill etc etc all religions
have almost the same basic commands yet they all use God to justify
the very thing that theyve been told not to do and that they preach.
the only person we should answer to for our beliefs is God himself,
not any other human....nobody on this earth at this moment has been
here over 150 years so for them to swear by something that has been
passed down from thousands of years ago is idiotic and tell you this
is what happened 2000 or 5000 years ago is just word of mouth..we all
know things change with time, people use things for their own personal
agenda and gain and stories can be exagerated as well as changed.
everything you believe to be fact cant be proved your just going by
what a book says or what others tell you. i believe in God but not
religion unless God himself tells me "this is the right religion" not
what some other "man" tells me he believes is. every religion has
followers that will tell you the same thing and swear or die for their
religion. yet i bet you if that same muslim for example was born into
a christian family instead he would be saying the same thing and vice
versa. think about it. make your own decision. dont let other make it
for you. live and let live. we are all brothers and sisters on this
planet."

i put this on one a thread i also started about the lottery but i saw a number in my lucid dream bout a month ago...it was 318....played the lottery(cash 3 florida) and 319 came out instead...off by one...then on the 20th of january (2 days ago) i had a lucid dream where i was waiting for the bus...i looked at the time and saw it said 8:51, then realizing i was lucid i started flying....the same day the cash 3 numbers came out, 855 came out!....i keep being one number off!!!

  ok ive been out of body more than 10 times succesfully already since i started projecting in september. Last succesful one was december 7th. however ive had many more experiences lately and they keep happening more frequently even without me trying sometimes spontaneously (which i c as a good thing).

BUT the last 9 times i keep having the same issue! i wake up to pitch black (astral blindness) or sometimes enter the obe stage thru a lucid dream OR sometimes i can see but anyway i feel my body floating and automatically start trying to fully separate. i cant fully separate! like last night for example it got me so frustrated i woke up 5 different times! in one night to the floating stage which is like a record for me. however in every single try i couldnt completely come out! heres what happened in each try. Maybe you guys can tell my why im having this issue or ways to get around it/improve separation.

1)the first time it was from a lucid dream which i became aware and i was flying but noticed i had my phone in my hand and decided to drop it in midair but since the thought of it falling entered my mind I guess, my flight upwards stopped in midair and i started slowly floating back down, fearing i would lose it i guess i woke myself up but to my body still floating. i decided to try the one when you flip over to the side....i was succesful in doing this but it felt like the right side of my physical body wouldnt let go and was still attached. i was floating next to it but couldnt get away from it.

2) after the first failed attempt i gave up and faded into another dream which once again i became lucid and then awoke to me floating again. this time i thought of my legs (they were floating almost vertical...actually more like a 90 degree angle and were completely seperate from my physical legs) i tried to pull away or float upward but my head would not seperate. i tried raising my intent/focus and the pull on my legs felt so strong that for a second i even thought somebody was pulling them for me. i asked is anybody helping me? Seeing if a guide or somebody knew I was having trouble...I didn't sense/hear or see anybody and after asking that I only sensed my dog who was sleeping next to me and heard her whine/make that crying sound dogs make after asking.

3) third time I was floating again in a complete 360 position from where my physical body was but couldn't come out the moment it would of floated upward to of been completely separate I couldn't float up higher anymore. Felt like a barrier stopping me.

4) fourth time felt floating again but just went back to sleep.

5) fifth I had a false awakening, went to the bathroom to go take a tinkle til I noticed there was a candle in the toilet, lit (lol don't ask me why) and I realized once again I was still in a dream..i thought damn felt so real I almost peed on my bed then if it wasn't for that candle and when I thought this I was on my bed floating again. This time I was blind again but then regained some sight...I was frustrated already and once again it was my legs that were out so I decided let me try spinning in circles like crazy...my legs were up in the air and my body started spinning(not upside down/360 degree but same direction way as the fan on the ceiling, I could easily make the legs float up and spin in circles and everytime my ethereal body was away from my head(legs where head spose to be/head where legs spose to be) I got a glimpse of the a.c./wall (which is right behind my head) and it would go black again when my ethereal head would have been near or together with my physical head and then got the glimpse of the ac /wall again whenever my ethereal head was where my physical legs were etc etc. if you can understand.?-->then I really woke up but held it in (I really did have to pee) until I wrote everything down in my journal because ive gotten up to go to the bathroom before and realized i forgot the experience when I go back to my bed to record it.


p.s. so sorry for the long post guys!

  hey meteor shower tonight so if your up dont forget to look up at the sky

((theres also a partial solar eclipse but thats for europe and asia not the west))

heres some info on the meteor shower.

The Quadrantid meteor shower is one of the year's best, producing more than 100 meteors per hour from a radiant near the North Star. In 2011 forecasters expect the shower to peak sometime between 21:00 UT (3:00 pm EST) on January 3 and 06:00 UT (01:00 am EST) on January 4. The peak is brief, typically lasting no more than an hour or so. Observers who wish to try to catch it are advised to look during the hours before local dawn on Tuesday, Jan. 4th, when the shower's radiant is high in the sky.

The source of the Quadrantid meteor shower was unknown until Dec. 2003 when Peter Jenniskens of the NASA Ames Research Center found evidence that Quadrantid meteoroids come from 2003 EH1, an "asteroid" that is probably a piece of a comet that broke apart some 500 years ago. Earth intersects the orbit of 2003 EH1 at a perpendicular angle, which means we quickly move through any debris. That's why the shower is so brief.

Got clouds? No problem. You can stay inside and listen to the Quadrantids. Tune into SpaceWeather Radio for a live audio stream from the Air Force Space Surveillance Radar. When a Quadrantid passes over the facility, you will hear a "ping" caused by the radar's powerful transmitter echoing from the meteor's ion trail. During the shower's peak, the soundtrack is guaranteed to entertain.

http://hubpages.com/slide/What-Are-Shadow-People/3279293

thats a pic of what basically he looked like and walking into my bedroom

MDM you should write more captions below the pic like in the dreams album they all have it, that says what you were seeing and what happened etc in the pic. overall though fantastic work!

i agree tho i love reading thru all the old threads, they keep me entertained at work

I'm loving the older threads!  It would be interesting to find out what happened.  Can I ask why you used the rolling eyes though?  I don't get it. 

the smileys looking down and then he looks up... cus the kid must of grown...i dunno made sense in my head lol
maybe i shuold o just put a reg smiley

threads from 2005, read the whole thing, but just curious if the kid killed himself or not(which i doubt he did he sounds too smart for that and he was only 15/16 at the time) ...

its been 5 years, be nice to have an update should be round my age by now

[“shadow intruder”]

just thought id share this real quick. strange experience. last night i had a very weird dream/lucid dream/obe. to be honest with you i record my dreams and i usually have 3 boxes to check=was it an OBE, LUCID, (REG.) DREAM? but this one im not even sure.
last nights was very short but it seemed so real that i cant say its a regular dream but i am not sure whether it was lucid dream or an obe.
Ill try to keep this description short

I named this “shadow intruder”  12/27/2010

ok so i fell asleep. im always alone (i live on my own and im in a new city where i dont know anybody.) but anyway long story short my brother, his girlfriend, a friend, my mother and cousin came to visit from ny day after xmas. in my house 3 of them slept over instead of getting a hotel. so anyway i decided ok maybe this will help with obes since i can be a bit scared sometimes when im having one or about to have one but with people here maybe itll be better because i wont have as much fear. Or maybe they’ll last longer..who knows<===how wrong could i have been, this has been my first negative obe/lucid or w.e it was. all i remember is me waking up on my bed...it could of been lucid or obe cus it didnt feel like a dream but i didnt get that famliar "dual" feeling i feel when im in an obe so im gon classify it as "lucid/ possibly obe"+ felt very real.
   so anyway i wake up on the bed, its dark exactly how it should be now and everything looks normal, except instead of there being people on my bed (my brother was sharing my bed with me and the other 2 guests on an airbed) there was nobody. i was sitting up when i awoke on my bed to look around and didnt see anybody, but all of a sudden i remember thinking if someone came in the house(for some reason?) and i slightly remember picturing the door/ the sound of it opening. so im waiting in my bed cus im thinking "wtf is somebody coming in the house now?" and as im thinking this, someone is walking in my room coming from the living room (where the door was). i was trying to see who it was as i started getting a little scared seeing someone standing by the hallway. it was dark so all i could see was a dark figure of somebody. The closer it would come the more the fear grew. And then it hit me like this is real someone actually came in to my house in the middle of the night! the emotions i never felt/experienced myself having fear escalate to this level. the person at first looked black, but then looking closer i can see that they’re completely black, not like human black person but like a shadow black like a shadow was constantly covering their face/body. They were pretty tall itleast 6 feet. The closer he came the more my fear would grow until he was right infront of me. i felt the fear so real and my hearbeating to the point where it felt like my chest was hurting. as the "shadow intruder" came in my room and walked towards me and my bed, it got to the point where all i could do was cry. I actually started crying out of so much fear when he was across from me by the bed.(im more of the type that actually enjoys getting scared/adrenaline rush and I never cry!).
the very last thing I remember is me putting my hand over my chest cus of the strong feeling of fear almost hurt. But that’s not how it ends. For some reason I also remember not feeling scared at all, it completely stopped, fear completely left me right before ending, or maybe I just don’t remember what happened after im not sure but only thing I remember after he was across from me,  me feeling my chest is that I kno it didn’t end in fear/bad. I remember feeling a sigh of relief as well as embarrassment (that i was crying)right towards the end before it ended but I don’t know why and cant remember past this point!!! Can barely remember sh1t after the part about me touching my chest. (and this is bothering me) since its still so vivid in my mind the part I do remember from start to end (or what I think was the end) dunno why the last little tiny bit slipped away. however i do remember what i felt. did feel embarrassed like som1 had seen my reaction and found it a bit funny, right after feeling the fear leave/sigh of relief. Overall though not a pleasant experience although it seemed to not of ended bad. I can say I experienced a new level of fear that I’ve yet to experience in regular awake life though.

thx for the extra sites guys!
appreciate it

website is the shiznick lol


alot of great info... thanks for sharing.

you know i also noticed that i like websites where people draw out what they see in the astral....this site has a few good 3d pics that were made to show a astral location or entity....theres some on youtube too....anybody know any good sites where maybe theres video or images/drawings trying to replicate what was seen on the astral? i just love looking at them

It's been three days now, I can't believe this topic is still going.

lol

lol hopefully its good luck...................however the moon was reddish/orangey...i remember reading one of those 2012 "predictions"...not sure if it was a mayan prediction or in one of nostradamus quatrin's that i read that sumthin that about around 5700 a.d=approximately 2010/2011 a.d.(?) that the moon would be covered in blood and it was a sign of something happening within the next year or so.....prolly just one of those conspiracy/doomsday theories but it hit me a day after the eclipse that maybe thats what they were talking about by the moon being covered with blood(lunar eclipse making the moon look red) or maybe it was a mayan one about december 21, 2012 and predicting it on december 21 2010 which is when the eclipse happened. im trying to find it im reading through stuff trying to find it again. or maybe it was the webots prediction site not sure which it was a day last week when i was just reading up on all type of 2012 sh1t. if i find it ill post it