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Haha yes it is very fun to imagine playing around with various weapons, even pure fantasy ones. That's what I love about LD's, even Fantasy can be a reality.

Sometimes when I'm bored during the day I will just sit and play with my mental-self somewhere in my mind, maybe see something online and create it mentally and toy with it for a bit

Safe? Sure.

Healthy for your sleep quality? I wouldn't count on it. The body and nervous system cannot adequately recover and get to those deep stages of sleep for the needed periods if you're constantly waking up. Some people can operate on poor sleep, others can't. You really won't know until you try for yourself. Though it's unlikely there'd be any serious consequences other than maybe some fatigue the following days from poor sleep.

I read the phasing guide a year or so ago, so I'm not really sure how this compares to the phasing technique.... but here's what I did.

Basically while laying in bed, trying to go to sleep, I basically would imagine myself in another reality. It's probably important to note my visualization skills are already somewhat strong from various mental-tinkering over the months, with no real goal, mostly out of boredom. I also have a bit of experience with meditation, though I can't say with any certainty that it helped me much here.

Basically I can imagine myself in any scenario and experience all 5 senses simultaneously while instantly forgetting about the real-life version of those senses, so that I only experience one version of each sense at once. The trouble here is holding onto those sense while doing things, and breathing. Forgetting to breath sometimes de-relaxes me and throws me out. The reason I call this a meditation is because I have to continually bring my full attention back to this other reality, in which I can engage all of my senses. Typically at first I am only able to snap my attention to this other reality for a brief moment, after which something yanks me back, such as the need to breath.

I've found it is easiest to do something in this reality which you enjoy. At first I would walk around, maybe run through a jungle... imagine myself picking up clumps of grass, feeling it, having it transform into metal and into a sword, then slashing a zombies head. Just whatever would come to mind. All of this while at the same time being aware of my feet in my shoes, or my feet on the grass, the wind in my hair, the sun on my skin, my jeans on my legs, etc. Just imagine as if you were in your back yard taking a walk, remember the sensations. The world of memory of events is basically the LD world as I understand it.

After enough time of focusing on this reality and keeping my senses engaged & aware, doing something, I slowly become less aware of the waking reality, and before I know it I'm totally engaged in this lucid reality, with the exact same cognitive functioning that I had in the waking reality. No vibrations, no falling asleep, nothing. Though, even accidently thinking about the waking reality can shift me out of the phase, though I'm sure with progress I'll be able to stay in easier.


I don't recall how long I practiced this for last night, but I'll say it probably took about 30 minutes of laying in bed consciously practicing it before I 'snaped' into my dream world. I toyed around for a few second, got excited, and popped back out. This had been very exhausting for my mind. Almost felt like I had been doing a math test for an hour and just wanted to go to sleep afterwards, so that's what I did. It's only reasonable to assume this will get easier the more I practice it. It takes a LOT of MENTAL EFFORT to be aware of all of your mental senses at once while moving in the phase or doing something. Lots of cognitive centers interacting with eachother you can say. Most of the time spent initially before you actually phase is trying to keep all of the senses being felt simultaneously.

Something I'm still trying to figure out is how I can keep a continuous stream of breath going while being locked into this other reality. Seems like most of the times when I snapped out of the reality it was so that I could take a breath. If I can learn to maintain my breath while not being aware of my body, but instead be aware of my senses in the dream, it may be possible to phase in under 5 minutes - I am very confident in this theory, though I need to get down the technique better before I can say for sure.

Also I'm not sure if it's relevant, but that night i also slept AWESOMELY. I hadn't had such a rejuvenating sleep in a very long time. I didn't have any mid-night LD's or AP's that I can recall, but I woke up feeling simply joyful, content, and happy.


If you have any questions, feel free to ask... this technique is honestly simpler than it seems, at least to me. Once you understand how to engage your senses in your mental realm, then it only becomes a matter of locking into it without holding your breath.

Interesting. I've seen the ancient alien episode of how they talk about the Sirius constellation being used as some transport location for the various ancient civilizations. Almost every civilization had some alignment with it....

At first I figured maybe they had some ancient quantum transport technology that we just have lost understanding of...but it never once dawned on me that they may be doing some sort of Astral Projection....man... I just got some inspiration.. inspiration to build something that will somehow align to the sirius constellation. Mmmmm

Check this out...

http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/02/07/45-billion-alien-Earths-may-populate-Milky-Way-says-new-study/5471360241600/?spt=hts&or=7

4.5 billion earth like planets in the Milky Way alone...

I would love to travel in the RTZ around the nearby universe... and maybe eventually the far reaches of it... maybe see how far it goes... fly into some black holes, who knows.

I've spent hours on this site... so mind boggling. http://scaleofuniverse.com/

In all honesty if there's any constellation I'd want to bop-about in it would be the Sirius constellation, since for whatever reason most ancient civilizations seem to be fixated on it.

I am very sure there are millions of alien worlds, probably right on top of us, in various realms... but I am more concerned with Alien worlds that are at the same frequency as us. The way I rationalize it, there are an infinite number of alien worlds in an infinite number of differing realities are an infinite number of different frequencies.

I'm more concerned locating a reality that is of our frequency, in what we call the RTZ. Just think, if we managed to locate an alien planet, and could bring that information back to our waking lives... knowing the position of such a planet, and being able to calculate it's movement, we could contact them, even if they're light years away. It wouldn't be an easy task, nor would it be fast.

I'm more concerned with taking tangible knowledge from these other realities back here. I've heard of people visiting these other realities and seeing various technologies, and being able to communicate with the beings. If this is so why has nobody tried to bring knowledge back? Tried to bring new technological understanding? I realize technology only goes so far... but if we can't bring anything tangible back to apply to our waking reality here, then visiting some of these alien realities is just as useless as visiting some made up reality in your dream.

I don't really feel fear, or fear death, or fear anything that I can think of. I have had a number of experiences in my life most people would consider terrifying including being face to face in the real-world, non-obe, with a grey. As well as several years of meditating experience. I can't really recall the last time I felt any negative emotion what so ever. All of the times I did go out of body and saw creepy entities, I was more fascinated than afraid. Very mentally stable I guess you could say.

Aside from that, flying with thought isn't the only way to travel in the RTZ. You can be creative to any possible length. You are right that instantly transporting yourself can lead you to different time-lines and realities. Though, an alternative to flying in a linear manner is instantly transporting yourself to something you can see.

For instance, say you're on earth, and you can look up and see the moon. Just think yourself directly to the moon as you're looking at it, but not the moon as you know it to exist, but as a physical object that you can see. Travel to the seen location. If you have enough control over your mind you should just be able to instantly move there. This technique is different from closing your eyes and thinking of the moon. By willing yourself to something you can see, you go there without the risk of changing realities/times and without having to travel linearly.

I have traveled through very solid objects before, including directly through the earth, and have found various caves in the Himalayas by probing the walls so to speak. I don't think it is the actual thickness of the material that can destabilize an OBE, as much as the anxiety that might happen when approaching something of colossal size or traveling into solid walls. It could be quit anxiety causing, and that can throw you out. Though, here's where meditation comes in, conquering your fear through mental control.

I don't think many of the planets in this solar system would be hard to get to, so long as you know their general location. Traversing this solar system should not be too difficult, as it's very small(at least when you can travel at unlimited speeds).

There are a number of mental tricks I have learned through meditation, and some through LDing that can be used in assistance in Astral Projection without altering the reality. At very high levels of meditation, some of these 'siddhis' can be manifested in the physical realm. Though practically anyone can utilize them in the astral and RTZ to a practical extent, as we have much more freedom of consciousness there.

I saw a couple of threads like that, but not those yet, thanks for the links.

I'm also curious though if anyone has experienced anything interesting as of recent.

I've read about people going to the moon, and other planets, though I haven't actually been myself while APing, never was able to stay out long enough.

Though, my question is, why do people limit themselves to planets in our solar system? Has anybody been to other galaxies, and landed one some of the other billions of earth like planets out there? Surely traveling at the speed of instantaneous thought, why would you limit yourself?

I know people have been to Mars, but has anybody been UNDER mars, as in, inside the planet? These are the things I am curious about. What's the fun is just transporting yourself to the surface of some planet? Why not explore its terrain? Other planets in other galaxies? Etc?

Visualize a powerful white light emitting from yourself and surrounding you completely... me, and many other people have found this will force away negative entities in the astral... nothing can harm you regardless.... if this doesn't send it away then it's merely a part of you, a fear of some sort more than likely.

My little bro had chronic stomach pains for a month and a half. They went to the doctor several times and nothing. One Lemurian crystal later and he was healed. alleluia.

Uhhhh are you saying he ate it lol?

Supposedly various crystals possess different vibrational frequencies, just of how the atoms are arranged and such.... Supposedly this can influence subtle energies past through them and such.

I'm no expert on them at all, but that's the general idea.

When you're "awake" your eyes make constant micro movements to completely assess the environment.  You won't be able to phase or project unless you can stop your eyes from doing that.  It can be quite difficult to stop your eyes.  It takes practice.

I thought the moment you phase your body is essential in REM meaning your eyes are moving sporadically anyway.... it don't think it matters if they're moving, just how aware you are of them.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in xanths phasing primer or anything... perhaps it has and I forgot... but when you close your eyes and you're 'staring' at the blackness, you need to completely forget you have eyes.

Maybe it's just me but I've noticed when doing my 'noticing' and trying to keep my eyes still I'm still completely aware of my eyes, which kind of prevents me from phasing as quickly as I could.

I also remembered I saw an astral projection guide that talks about how it is possible to have 360 degree vision during astral projection, which in theory is quite possible since you're not actually using your eyes.

I'm not sure if I've done a good job at explaining this, but when you close your eyes to phase, don't look at anything, try to completely forget you have eyes.. if you try too hard not to move them then you'll be too aware of them and it could distract you from phasing.

Remember you aren't looking at anything, it's simply going to appear in your hypothetical 'field of vision'

Inanimate objects have no answers, it's silly to ask them questions. I didn't mean to criticize other opinions.

Everything has an answer in one form or another, some just may not be what you're looking for... and some are just more clear than others. Silence, is itself an answer, what one does with such silence is met with many paths...some of which sometimes show that silence is more than it appears.  

Please pick up any inanimate object in reach and ask it these questions. I think you'll get better answers. Sentient life is biased.

Having input from multiple peoples point of views is what I desire. Different opinions, various thoughts on the subject...hence why I would post on a forum where multiple biased points of views exist in the first place.

Yeah I get what you're saying. It's very possible there are ways to not subjectively exist but still objectively exist (and therefore not violate the "nothing outside consciousness" belief.) In the same vein as ideas like locked-in thought cycles, soul retrievals, astral hospitals, rehab, waiting rooms, etc... I've thought of a few in theory:

A) You opt to have your spirit wiped clean of all memories and information learned so that it's just a "beginner soul." It would still be your consciousness starting over but it would be without a desire for nonexistence.

B) Your consciousness is reabsorbed into the physical to sustain its density. Perhaps this would mimmick the feeling of "deep sleep."

C) You are placed into a perpetual state of forgetfulness. Imagine staring at something somewhere for eternity and every moment is your first subjective experience.

B) sounds more of what I'm talking about, but then again these are only speculations. All of those options you've proposed still involve consciousness in some form. True deep sleep would lack all awareness more or less, or so we think, but the fact is there is still something there that is sleeping. What I'm more directly aiming for is non-existence, period.

Though with this being thought about. If I died right now, with my current desires in my head, would they be wiped/overridden by my higher self? Isn't this somewhat in a way slavery so to speak. Honestly I believe 'Higher Self' is somewhat of a misnomer. How can there be another 'self' with it being 'separate'. Are we not aware of our higher self meaning we don't control it, or is it not us at all? It's a very perplexing thought to actually analyze it and try to identify 'yourself' with a 'higher self' when taking into account your various desires. My mind boggles over the very idea.

It's starting to seem like there is no such thing as the 'self' in the singular, but 'self' in the plural, which is a contradiction. I'm not sure, it's very confusing. I would like to here you all's thoughts on this, in the mean time, I'm going to go meditate on it.

Man that's the deepest question I've heard in ages.

To even approach answering it I suppose one would first have to realise what "I" is and what it is to be.

Well, perhaps to redefine my question somewhat... Why must my conscious experience exist? Why must I perceive, or be aware. Why can't I be nothing, which is a paradox in and of-itself because I'm using the word 'I'... but you know what I mean...right?

That is theoretically where one goes after becoming enlightened, but I don't think "having an advanced idea of what to expect post mortem" will get you there as fast as you hope.

If this is where one goes after being enlightened, then where is one before existing?

That is my question. I am not concerned with what may await me after death. I am concerned with the idea that I MUST do that. Why do I need to participate period. Not just in this physical world, but in all the realms and planes of existence...? Why must "I Be"..?

(Yes my overall position has changed since the original post, but not much)

Thank you for the responses. I appreciate all criticism, input, and opinions.

Though my major question has still not been addressed, (while there may not be an answer to it, I desire to know other peoples opinions/input)......

Why do we have to do anything? Why 'MUST' we develop spiritually? Why 'MUST' we have a path? I am not asking this from the point of view of someone so attached to the material world that they don't want to put forth effort, because regardless the question is the same.... why must we put forth effort?

What makes the 'objective purpose/functioning of the universe' spiritual advancement? Why can we not chose to exist as pure raw energy, part of the universe, no consciousness? Why must we develop spiritually, because in a sense this is elevating our power.

As a Buddha desires no power here on the physical, why would a Buddha desire any power in the astral in the form of knowledge/enlightenment. Could it not be said that this desire for spiritual elevation is a form of greed in and of itself, that the only way to escape greed is to purely not exist? For not desiring one thing means you inherently desire another, this is an ultimate truth. The greed for nothing physical. The only was to have no greed/desire is to not exist. For lack of desire is desire in and of itself because you desire lack of desire. A paradox. The only way to avoid this is to be nothing, to not even 'be' in the first place. Even if you do nothing and float with the universal flow as conscious energy, that is a desire also, to do nothing.

Would it not be ideal to be raw energy coexisting with the universe if this is the state one/Buddha would be representative of through hours upon hours in a "one with the universe" meditative state? To me, this would be the ultimate level of peace.

It sounds like you believe in the illusion so much you are willing to let it take you down.
the illusion wins because you can't see past it. Its not about what is outside of you.
Everything you need to advance spiritually is within. Once you leave this plane of
Existance you won't have that anymore. You won't have time to reflect, you won't
Have this space to be an individual, you won't have this body to feel & experience.
This is the place to be enlightened fast. ..this is a spiritual training ground....
The "higher" you will just bring you back here..in a way you don't have a choice because
its not really you making the decision. You are not who you think you are, meditate
and find youself.

Interesting. What illusion do you speak of though? If you read my last post on the last page, which It doesn't seem like you did.... Why are we so easy to believe that things have to be this specific way. I'm not even going to retype it haha, go back and read it and address some of those points/questions/curiosities please. I'm not doubting you in general, I just have skepticism for the so called mechanics of things.

Read this
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/suicide_out_of_readiness_to_be_finished_with_this_physical_world-t33439.0.html;msg275552#msg275552

The sky has detachment, yet it is still there.

If I did not have to participate here in this physical body I would not have to deal with earthly matters that restrict me on the daily.


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Many of you say that if I truly had no desires then I would already be gone, because detachment keeps us here. I partially disagree and agree with this. Attachment does keep us here, but attachment can often be against our conscious will.
Have you ever been attached very closely to a person in an emotional sense, but you do not get the same feelings in return, and this attachment brings you nothing but pain. Consciously, I do not want the attachment, but the attachment is there.

As I do not desire to be attached to anything, but the attachments are there, restricting me. Who said I must take the time to let go of them with much meditation, when I can physically detach from this world forcefully. Why does it matter how I leave this world?

People talk as if a higher power governs everything, our spiritual evolution, which I know many people have such beliefs. Who says I have to follow this certain path, or do things this certain way. Why cant I choose to cease to exist completely, including spiritual elimination? Who says I am required to be here to help the poor, unfortunate, etc; and yes I know I am sounding selfish as I say this. Don't hate me for saying this, I am only a curious questioning person.

Some of you have interacted with highly advanced spiritual beings on the astral, but so what? They are merely highly advanced spiritual beings, they want to help us spiritually advance. Who says we have to? Who says because they are advanced that we should believe them? They tell us the things we must do to spiritually advance ourselves, but why should we believe this is the only choice we have? Why should we believe this is the only path to do so?

For instance. There can be very powerful people here on the physical, in economic/governmental sense, though this does not indicate we should trust them. There can be very deceptive people in power, as there can be very deceptive creatures who fail to gain power at all. Power can be with or without deception. As Spiritual advancement and power  can be with or without deception/negative intention. Everything is individual and to think one thing always accompanies another is foolish, mainly because it is flat out wrong and can be observed almost anywhere. Whose to say that all this trust, love, and manipulation for everything is nothing but to manipulate us, while none the less spiritually advancing us? How do we know? We can't. Why are we so easy to believe that some things are simply grouped together, that power always accompanies loving trust and honesty? If anything, the most powerful person is the very best at deceiving.

Why should we believe that just because a highly advanced spiritual being has the power to generate such intense emotions that we can experience, that they are not capable of deception? If anything, they are capable of the most powerful deception, direct astral emotional manipulation. None of what they say can ultimately be proven here on earth by any of us.

How do we know, that this is all there is, that there is ultimately one path/goal in the universe, to spiritually advance in 'this' manner, etc. Based on what I've seen, experienced first hand, meaning as we perceive it is ultimately subjective, a result of biological wiring.

How do we know any of this exist beyond death, yes is all very real while living, just not of this physical realm, our energy goes no where.

Just as the brains extraordinarily ability to take our everyday life meaning, and put it into metaphors while we dream. No doubt we are all linked together, for this has been proven first hand by many of us. I feel repetitive, but how do we 'know' that what we experience, hear in the astral, etc, is what awaits us upon death. How do we know this world exist upon death? How do we know we are not being greatly deceived by higher spiritual beings as a form of control for their plan. There is no way we could know as they are unsurpassingly more powerful than us. Just as a poor liar remains poor and unpowerful, and the Exceptionally good liar gains power, trust, etc. Now keep in mind before you reply, I am not saying that good intentions don't exist out there.

I know many 'Good' advanced spiritual beings will leave when you ask, and other 'Bad'/deceptive spiritual beings will often not. How do we know for sure this willingness to leave by request correlates with good intentions and not extremely good/smart deception?

How do we know it's a distinct line between

Good|Bad
Powerful|Weak

What stops everything from metaphorically being independent of everything else and existing in infinite possibilities/combinations. How do we know there is an invisible tie holding all things good together and all things bad together in their own categories? Sorry if I have been unclear, but I am trying my hardest to illustrate my point. How do we truly know there is only a distinct set of characteristics for highly advanced spirituality/energetic development. How do we know there is only one path, one way, one method for attaining such.... I guess I'll see from the responses who truly understands what I am trying to say here.

"The greatest form of control, is where you think you're free, when you're being fundamentally manipulated and dictated to. One form of dictatorship is being in a prison cell where you can see the bars and touch it. The other one is when you can't see the bars and think you're free" - This applies directly to the societal,physical world, people in power,etc..., why can it not also apply to the spiritual world?

I agree with CF. If you really had no reason for being here then you wouldnt be here any more.

If you are in such a state of bliss why end it?

I know where you're coming from with the materialism thing. It's difficult to not get dragged into it by modern life and the way most people are but if thats the only thing you want to get away from go live in an ashram or a cave or something.

"Ending it" implies it goes away upon death. Which, astrally, it doesn't/shouldn't.

I know the general opinion of suicide in relation to the astral... how it's not a very good idea as whatever emotional state one is in upon death is what they will be in, in an even more intensified state, in the astral... How we're all here to learn individual lessons for our souls etc.

Though, what if one commits suicide out of readiness to be finished with this world, yet not in any sense of suffering. Say I am at such bliss and see absolutely no point to anything in this world in the sense that everyones actions are for materialistic advances. I see this world as a physical limiting ground for spiritual advancement. We are all here to learn lessons, but most of the potential lessons to be learned here become pointless and irrelevant beyond this physical world of low vibrations. The ultimate lessons being that nothing here is of any significant meaning in terms of the universal scale of things.

Perhaps I am just confused, but what lesson is there for me to learn my only goal in life is detachment from this physical world and spiritual advancement?

Please Comment, and don't give me any crap about depression and what not because that has nothing to do with my desire to be finished with this world.