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So it's logical to believe in chakkras but illogical to take Buddhist thinking into account?

I've taken it into account. you won't even try mess with your energy. don't even think of it as chakras

and once you actually do it, take a look at the locations of chakras and you tell me if you think theyre real


arguing ideologies and arguing the existence of an experience (because the experience itself proves it's existence) are 2 different things

for me, the goal is to control my experience. reality selection, some call it.
i like to mess with my experience and make it unusual

doing this will make you run into the same types of things all people who mess with their experience run into


I can literally put myself in paralysis, feel vibrations, feel my eyes sore (guessing it's REM) and feel intense just by listening hard enough. after reading some of this site I realize I'm supposed to look at the blackness from there

I can also make the same thing happen in a dream (and the dream turns off into black) by thinking something creepy when im dreaming

Razputin, Razputin...

I can make my pupils dilate by dimming the lights...

I can also make myself feel better by making love to my wife.

You can also make yourself feel better by taking a walk down palm street.

All you've provided is proof that what you call chakkras is what others call excrement:

the point is to take this away from unconscious reaction to conscious control. I'm not really trying prove the existence of anything to you. this thread was to see what people like me are doing

I'm not trying to convince you to mess with your energy. if you don't want to do it and aren't willing to try it's not really my problem

I'll just tell you that science tells us that we can't control certain parts of our body. I'm saying we can. I'm not saying it's some super secret. I'm telling you how

I really don't know why you're on this site

my human bias is what makes me, me. but it's not like most humans embrace this. most take on the politically correct universal logic

considering that I am 1 person, a universal logic is illogical. having a perspective based logic (which would also require one to realize that perspective's place in the universe) is logical

That's not proof that chakkras exist though, is it? come on, man. Get real! LOL 

you can make yourself feel excrement. if you look at a pic of the locations of chakras the excrement that you feel happens to be in those same areas

that's proof enough

I don't believe in Chakkras altogether. Also, the gods in Hinduism are symbolic to me. They simply represent forces of nature. Nothing else. Anyway, can anyone tell exactly what you do in order to experience these so-called Chakras? I don't doubt that you guys experience anything. I'm just not convinced that what you guys experience is Chakras.

get a workout high. do 40 pushups or something. do you feel that good feeling in your chest? make it stronger

you've just worked with your chakras

Could it have been a hypnagogic hallucination? The imagery, could it have been manifested from expectation on an unconscious level? You must have read about Chakkras prior to that experience surely. Can you walk me through exactly what you did in minute detail? Please do it.

I realized I could make myself feel things by just trying. I theorized about consciousness and it's relation to the subconscious. I came to the conclusion that we become more conscious (less sub) as we grow into adults. I realized that anything subconsciously done, you can learn to do consciously

if you try to just make yourself feel something, you usually feel it in your stomach chest area. if you look at an image of the chakras after the fact (like I did) you will realize these ate your 3rd and 4th chakras. if you actually do it, recognize the feeling happening on it's own during your life, and do a little guesswork (like where 90% of your serotonin is located) you'd realize that you are messing with your serotonin



if you charge it up hard, you will feel all of your chakras and your palms may start to vibrate. I came to here a long time ago when this started happening (my name was waygie. the acc and all of my threads got deleated for some reason) and someone told me what that was

this was all with zero prior knowledge. I call them chakras so people will know what I'm talking about

logic was spawned from human minds.  it is equally flawed.  it relies on current knowledge.  what seems illogical now may make perfect logical sense in 100 years.  logic is useful, but it is not beyond bias.

context-sensitive logic is flawed...but, by following it without real attachment, you could get outbid that matrix into a more pure logic

logic is a direct application of life. the matrixes we put around it, is what corrupts it

you're telling me not to hate on Buddhism, I'm telling you why Buddhism isn't logical and presenting an alternative, and you again tell me not to hate on Buddhism

it doesn't matter what 'works for me'. im sure Buddhism would work for me, but what matters is logic. and I'm willing to change myself so that who I am conforms with logic


if it's any consolation, I'm going to be giving Buddhism a real try soon, but just because losing an ego is on my oath to gaining an Ego

So I read that term for the first time, on here. I just called it charging your energy before

maybe some of you are like me and think that charging yourself up is s key thing to do before doing anything spiritual or maybe even physical (I like to fight. I'd love to try it out before a fight or friendly boxing match) it gets you focused and raises your energy...energy you can displace in things like projecting


so how do you charge your chakras?

when I saw the thread I was thinking shaak-ti from starwars lol. reading a starwars novel (2 actually) right now. THERE IS NO DEATH, THERE IS ONLY THE FORCE!

force lore is a lot deeper and more realistic than you'd think

this is why the relative reality sits on top of the universal reality (with subjective delusion in between)
the closer you are to relative reality (resulting in an Ego), the closer you are to ruling the universal/outside reality....and all of the dellusional egos that occupy it

it's easy to find harmony in a null void where nothing can get in the way of it...but I am talking about finding harmony in the scary, imense, cruel, cryptic, and packed place that is the real world

you experience only your experience. that is a self evident fact which leads to the self evident conclusion that, while right and wrong may not be black and white, it's pretty directed. and that direction centers around you. do you know how hard it is to find harmony in (a logical)selfishness? it's like an oxymoron

while primal ("terrestrial" matrix) selfishness usually has bad ends, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about pure selfishness unassuged of context-sensitive matrixes (hedonically the matrixes would be any one vice. you get the idea) this is logical selfishness. this is productive hedonism


I'm hating on Buddhism because, while it has found a reality, it hadn't found the one directly relevant to me. to any one person in general.
you seek to lose ego aka make it that if the universe. a universe effected by will. sentient beings being the biggest source of will.
reality is survival of the (non-context-sensitive) fittest ( aka overall fittest, not just physically). and you are making the fittest your god without giving it any competition

You do what you think is right, Razputin. But remember: there was an ocean once. Every water molecule was connected. It was an ocean, it was one. Every ripple, every wave meant interaction with itself. Then the temperature changed, things slowed down, and the ocean froze. A massive something shattered the ocean into a myriad individual pieces of ice. Each with their own shape, property and identity. The ocean in its new shattered form, with the shards of ice, created the illusion of individually. It seemed that the WHOLE ocean was no more, but it was still there for nothing had truly vanished.

You may say that you only experience what you experience, but just remember that others experience too...just as you do...albeit differently...but like you nonetheless because they are alive and human like you. What do you have in common with them? Consciousness. And in consciousness the concept of empathy was born.

Just like every shard of ice is made of water.

I like where you were going with that...
but weather or not someone feels the same as me is irrelevant. I experience only my experience, the only importance our connectivity plays is how others affect my experience.
the "non-Wills" of Buddhist are strong and I respect it. it's hard to explain how I see Buddhism

all passiveness is waiting to be taken by action. by Will. Buddhists have the strongest form of passiveness. all that non-Will waiting to be uses by Will



all for One and One for One.....making it One for all. that's the best way I can describe it

I'm fairly certain "using and abusing" out of love for oneself is what a narcissist does. I realize the OP is speaking idealistically (which means he probably feels a lack of control, etc.) but this "nature" *is* wrong by most moral standards and wouldn't be tolerated around free thinkers not interested in entertaining arrogance. Just applying the ideal to the real, that's all.

I'm pretty sure narcissist is one of the many things popular psychology throws out there for people that aren't average. average equating mediocrity. I'm more interested in a transcendental psychology. productivity and logic over political correctness. freethinking over the bovine excrement society has imprinted on you.
(on a side note: I'm thinking of joining the army. I did pretty decent on the asvab so I want to get into what's called psyops. psyops influences the mindset of foreign populations using media. if this type of thing is something an enlisted army soldier can do, what do you think the CIA is doing to us. the world is full of pushers and pullers. and a pullers goal is to convince you to push)

it goes without saying that some of the most powerful people out there are what you'd call narcisists and sociopaths. they became that way subconsciously, through growing up and, to an extent, their genes. I see the productivity in it and I'm trying to become that way consciously. who says we don't create our psychological makeup
I'm willing to change, and continue changing, everything I am to conform with logic

We call that narcissism. Having lived with a parent with this mentality you'll be exposed sooner or later. Only the weak minded will bother with you at that point.

We call that a dream of the "pipe" variety.

Aaaaaaand we call that brainwashing.

Ask Hitler... oh wait.

life can be defined as-, and measures by will. your mind is the source of your will. your mind exists because of your brain and in the brain....but not necessarily only yours. like I said before, if someone knows you they literally have some of your mind in their brain. if your mind became a prevalent force in their brain, your mind being the source of your will, it's not too much of a stretch to think that your wi would expand both tangibly (they'd do what you wanted) and astrally

this isn't as fresh in my mind as it once was

a newborn is closer to enlightenment because he has no false notions about things...but he also doesn't know as much about them and their application as an adult. they say they bind nothing...but that very thing is binding something. and worst of all they bind peace

why would I love someone else as much as I love myself? I only experience my experience. how about I learn to get people to love me while loving myself. learn to get what I want out of people yet leaving no bad energy our there to me....because they are oblivious to being used
Thelema. this is the hidden meaning of the book. to have the will of others conform with yours

think about this astally. what if all other will was [whatever your will is] and you would have your will. imagine the power you would have

I know someone. so they literally have some of my mind in their brain. what if I ruled them and I was all they thought about. my mind would be a prevalent force I. their brain. I think this is the secret to real possession

all this is about finding the true Ego. the perfect man.
when you become nothing your will conforms with god. there must be serenity in that. but what happens when you have will confirm to yours and become god

the satanist bible is meh. I read most of it when I was like 16 and I remember thinking he was trying to be too antichristain to get anywhere
but I guess I agree with that path the most. if you have to teach something to make money rather than use it's application, the thing ain't that grea

I don't care about the name 'chakra'. I'm just using it so you people know what I'm talking about. for me, it's all about seeking pleasure. I tried making myself feel good by just doing it. it usually starts on my stomach. when I get it strong it goes to my chest from there I try to make it cone out if my hands, which is hard to do (only because I'm not focused enough) and it usually stays in my hands making my palms throb. but when it comes out I see it as wavy air

the goal is to master my body. make myself feel absolute exctacy on command....and hopefully make the electromagnetic energy more powerful

if any of you read 1984 you know about doublethink. in the story the character said 2+2=4. the bad guy said 2+2=5. I want 2+2=whatever I want it to be (symbolically of coarse...if 2+2 equaled anything other than 4 that wouldn't be productive to me)
this is where things like 'the game' come into play. to send out a conscious command and forget that command before it becomes tainted with doubt...and to control my consciousness overall

anyways the way I do the energy work speaks for itself. without really trying I've had a lot of experience.
I get angry a lot when I do it at the things I can't control and it makes it stronger. I used to think the feeling of my crown chakra was the feeling of some energy fuckibf with me or the feeling of going bald and id get ticked

Buddha taught that trying is setting yourself up for failure and it is better to not try at all

I can charge my 3rd chakra enough to make it become my 4th, enough to strongly feel vibrations, enough to make my palms throb and make them slightly feel and manipulate electromagnetic energy.
I can close my eyes and listen until i hear ringing, then listen to the ringing as strongly as I can until I feel my eyes go into REM and hear a loud VROOM VROOM VROOm like i'm going through a tunnel.

but what can I do from here?

There are two realities: the Universal Reality (not within a perspective yet encompassing all of them) and the Relative Reality (within a single perspective) and there is only subjective delusion in between.
Typically spiritual people seek to have a universal reality, and everything they do follows that type of thinking. I think it's stupid, to seek to have a non-perspective perspective. A non-ego ego. Instead I think we should seek to change our ego into an Ego.

If reincarnation where real, a true buddhist would be literally *nothing*. They seek to have no bias, to become a part of the universe the way it is. I was we innately have a bias and to use it. A buddhist seeks to become the ground, I seek to take control of the ground. etc

They talk about happiness. They say in order to achieve happiness you have to go without. I say going without only lowers your standards for happiness.

They seek to find the will by eliminating all clutter in the mind. I seek to expand the will until there is no more room for clutter.