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REST IN PEACE ALFALFA, YOU WILL BE MISSED

For Science !!!

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I value your post which was on topic :: My opinion is that the topic raises a possibility, which shouldn't be dismissed because there is no evidence for it to be dismissed.  The evidence you supplied is very minor, and it can easily be cancelled out to the other side with no effort at all.  So the OP produces open-mindness , open-mindness to calm down the esoteric spiritualists.


I was just thinking about how this forum seems to be working ... considering myself and alfalfa are newcomers, we aren't familiar with the style ( culture / operating system ) that the forum community runs under.  From my analysis I see that t you have a fixed topic at the start :: and you are expected to stay on that topic, else seen as a troll for bringing other problems into the topic.  

I have to accept that :: because i am by no means going to challenge a culture ^^ .. hard enough trying to do that here in my life now with my family and country you know what i mean?!

So yea .. to sum it up : this ain't an open forum to discussion about people and life in general, as much as i wish it would be , because the nature of the curiosity which exists inside us all, which drove us here, is often related to life its self, and all the other branches which come out of that.

Personally, i rather dislike subjects , walls, divisions .. but if thats how you folks want it to be . With rules, laws, control and regulations. It don't seem too much different from my home country The United Kingdom.  Are you passing over a culture onto a virtual world? ^^ Its ok if you are : Again i have no power here ... A free naked culture-less man .  

PS : I won't be causing any more out of topic posts, aiming at anyone in particular OR caring about your problems etcetc.. its all too much of a "playing with fire" situation for my likes. Thank you all.

Peace & Love
d3nd3
xxx

If alfalfa really does, I think he is fully able to digest this fact... So , lets be a good community and assist this guy back on the right path, how he should be acting, behaving and using his brain?  Lexy, you could be the first , since your mind has calculated some behavioural patterns and judgements on him, do share, because this is life - changing for alfalfa. I beg you to care , for the sake of alfalfa.( and science )

peace & love
d3nd3
xxx

i'm glad you are valueing my efforts to make you think.  Okay, well I am seeing you do more than just perceive, I am seeing you trying to control things to a level which is beyond your ability to understand.  This forum is for Astral Projections, Discussing Out of Body Experiences and alfalfa clearly stated that he wanted to discuss a possibility that the cause of such a phenomenon was mental illness, sorry if that touches a nerves to some of you guys. But biological diseases, malfunctioning and other hinderences do happen, it would be naive for you to ignore this.

There was never a tone too high, thats just your opinion there, if anyone's tone is too high its the person who used the word troll first, but hey who he is going to worry about that guy who caused a knock on effect of high tones? who? tell me please...

What are you interested in ? I am interested in much much more than just preaching the truth :: because preaching just the truth would be so incredibly boring wouldn't it? I mean who here ever wants to know the truth ^^ they must be crazy !!!  I am open, so is alfalfa ::like i said already, its how you are judging him to be rude which is the problem.

I don't know who you are :: but you are so keen to try and produce an online profile of who others are supposed to see you as , that i can't help myself but think that you  " BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP " .. there .. is that how you like it ? a nice sweet clean bleeped out version ^^ . Ok you have a nice emotional balance , that is why your emotional balance is transcending other's balance to a state where they feel like dirt on the floor?

Ty friend for this fiery discussion

Why did you post that? EDIT :: the only reason i post is because i care about the emotional balance put on someone's shoulder, who's emotional balance are you looking out for?

EDIT2 : let the people speak for them self, forget your past experience in psychology, and your past experience on this forum, forget your post count and what ever else you want to bring into this post.  The world is a very big place , don't assume you have earnt a certain place above others.  And who excactly do you think you are, requesting our voices to be silenced?

If alfalfa is a troll, okay lets define troll as being someone who is looking for an argument, looking for trouble and negative emotions.  And that is a big IF statement ... because there is no certainty in it.  Right .. so we are about to discuss something which has no certainty ( for the sake of those people who love to SPEND TIME on if statements ( assumptions ) ) ... Then why are you giving the troll what he wants? Why are you letting the troll continually manipulate and control your behaviour and emotions? Do you feel okay with that??? Could it be Ego Maybe. Think about it ..

Okay now we are outside the if statement .. its not a troll CONDITION. Which is the condition you should all be on because you haven't certainty.  These guys talking about banning, what the hell haha, come on stop this foolishness, everyone is entitled to their opinion and nobody here is empty of problems, just because you cannot see a problem in yourself , it doesn't mean you are problem-free lol ( yes that does mean that me, the poster here has problems:D come on help me guys joking^^ i dont go looking for help, i have learnt that one by now )

Do you guys really think that you have this amazing "free will" , if i were you, i would not be so keen to believe that you do.  Not in this day of age anyway:P where there are xxx things from with the systems we live in.  Although alfalfa's lines might appear punchy and often rude, they have great deepness to them and allow you to detach yourself from yourself (lol).  And if alfalfa seems punchy, ask yourself why? what is it he is talkign about? a sensitive topic maybe? Bring down the shields guys and accept that there are very fundamentally wrong things in the way we behave.  And most of all, respect the efforts which he is has put into coming here and sharing his hard work.  I do not believe i can change anythign here , i just wanted to share my opinion, like always .. do as your will will desire you to do , my men of astral pusle 

did it touch you alfalfa, because he used the phrase "truly are".. to you truly is a definite thing OR he used it in a context where he is  making it seem like a definite thing ... when really ... its personal and relative to each person "truth" ?

or one can't know what is the truth ?

because no evidence ?
EDIT :: all due respect to OP .. i understand you perfectly , you just slipped up at end , and this is has triggered "observant" aflalfa to correct you, thank you kind sir alfalfa for pointing this heavy mistake to him.

do you continue the myth , from which you read off other people? and doesn't it hit you by chance that the reason certain things are "missing" is because of your memory not quite being there?

a computer is a machine. you are a machine.

He isn't in troll mode :: and who is there to say that he is or isn't in troll mode :: god please stop this lies , you are breaking apart the system of communications and free speech :: it irritates me hardly when you try to influence others to believe your lies :: if you haven't got anything to contribute to this topic on the subject of this topic :: then get out :: now this post i am making now , its here for you! so you are the cause not me.. :: and besides it ties nicely into the OP view of why you are acting in such pathetic ways in which you are...

peace & love d3nd3
xxx

Some Theories :: Guesses :: and crazy assumptions !!

mb its two types of people , people who seek definate answers and comfort from a truth
and  people who don't seek a definate answer, accept the world to infintely crazy and many many possibiltieis.
but why they would do that ?

i think its a counter - force to the control of their lives by the government ( behavioural world they been brought up in )
they feel like they been controlled entire life -- so they have to create crazy views to counter that feeling
they been told to belief things, that's a form of control too

when he says "constructs" "structures", he means like :: materialist constructs, but that's wrong no? we saw the atom in a picture , the atom is real, you can't say no to it

its like they don't even respect a ball moving, and the consequences of a ball moving to even bother them - like oh its fake, the ball isn't really moving its just a picture !
but that's reality ! what else are they seeking for.
i am open to more features inside the "world system" .. i just don't see any evidence for them yet, that's all

@OP Please accept that the out of body experience phenomenon DOES happen.  Hence we can clarify that this forum is useful for people who DO experience this phenomenon, to come forward and share their experiences with people who show interest, curiosity and even guidance.

Let me clear the entire scene up now :: Try to imagine please OP, that your ordinary, habitual lifestyle becomes interrupted by an event which appears to you in every way as reality, yet you know deep down it is not because that is not where your memory last left off.  The experience shocks you firstly, it creates feelings and choices which you never before knew you had, its refreshing and even makes you believe that there is more to life and reality than first meets the eye.  So you come here, with the experience and you ACCEPT this "unknown", that is exactly what it is, an unknown because no scientist so far has proven or dis-proven completely the causes of it.  

So now I question you thee further...  If they haven't done that, what are YOU going to do to change the records?  Let me also say that I am not against you, but that everyone who believes something , believes they have sufficient reasons to have that belief.  So really what you are suggesting is that they have a deeper motive, relating to their ego, to talk happily about these things and make such a big deal out of the whole thing?  Okay, well my take on it, is that, they have been "inspired" by the whole idea and experience. Its warped their emotions, please do not hate or attack these people, just understand them, have empathy, and although you may be correct for having the will power from your perspective to ignore the emotional, experiencing FACTORS which contribute to a person having these beliefs, they however, do not have that will power or understanding.  

Now this little topic brings me on to talk about the guy who took the side of the "thinking out of the box".  I think because you come across to be an intelligent man, I can put it quite simply to you as this ... " None of us know how many boxes we are in , Neither do we know how many boxes someone over the internet, or someone sitting next to us are in " .   So before you are so eager to use the term " thinking outside the box ", please bare that in mind.

I am very interested in the OBE subject ... however I have come to accept that I cannot control the minds of any individual, so if I have any problems or disagreements with another persons' view, there is nothing I can do , except show my opinion and try to help others to understand what I do. ( This is also what you are doing to myself and others, and I thank you incredibly for that )

Now narrow-mined or not, I'm so far a materialist assumptionist and i'm proud to say that.  Second to that, we are not special or gifted in any high form to my knowledge, other than the force of evolution.

peace & love
d3nd3
xxx

Amen OP

you sir are a true astral warrior,

the stuff you are talking about is so fundamentally deep, only awakened ones would have ability to make use of it. 

keep up the hard work in this area and dont stop the thoughts coming, the thoughts make you unique and show you have the power
to identify the real flaws and mistakes in our ways of life today.

i bless ur consciousesssmxxxx

peace 7 love d3nd3

To all people who believe in astral world and its existence , come to skype , at any time during the day or week or year, or life time, and add me, d3nd3-o0 .. here we can talk objectively 1on1 or how ever you like it about what we both believe to be the world..

If there is something you know, which you believe i should know, then you can tell me, and then i will pass that on to everyone else that i know, and they can do the same thing, hence making a chain of information and increaseing awareness tenfold.

I have no more patience for fun and games, i am a highly capable individual , -if there is a technique for entering an obe or likewise, then i can do it and it will work .. Lets not all be happy sitting comfortable on our delusional cushions shall we ?  Dreamers..

Have you all given up searching for definitive answers? If your answer is yes, then my job is to bring hope and remind you that they are still there, waiting to be found, you don't have to be suffering from the pain of doubt.  The answer lies in the people of this forum.

If I were shown the real truths about the world in experience perhaps right this moment, then the entire way i live my life would change in on instance.  That is why i seek this so strongly, the definitive answers, and it bothers me hardly that there are people here holding such strong views about something i value so dearly.  I question daily why it is that some guy can do this so easily, and another guy has to spend 6 years..  What are the factors which affect it, and why so ? .. The world surely is not a fair place if it places the odds like this.. actually the odds seem rather uncontrollable, so what if the that some of you people are putting here are mere speculation and actually have nothing to say for themselves?

I will never give up searching for what i believe to be the ultimate truth, its a lovely ideal, and it hurts me that some of you here believe that you have found it, it hurts me deeply.  Going back to the IF i had this gift scenario, i would have such high amount EMPATHY to all those people who are STILL in the shoes which i had just left .. do you understand me i would still remember the feelings of when i was lost and without direction and startled by a world of many confusing ideas and beliefs. In those shoes i was surely going to end down a path which was either completely wrong or wrong but good enough to keep me in blissfully ignorance till the end of my days..  THAT is why i would care much for others

I would give my life for the definitive truth - and I WILL dedicate my life to helping those others not be mislead if i can do that .. so lets please get this forum into organization and all start working on the same brain waves , thinking analytically about what what could be possible, not what is possible, but what actually could be possible given the evidenec and facts.  I know you will all say the information is there already, but its not, its not really, not where people can go without feeling lost and confused.  Lets bring confidence and stability into this way of thinking

Hello friends,

Before i continue i would like to say that what i mean with "FACT" is that what is experienced is " reliable external data entering the individuals mind from a source other than his own brain cells " and that "FACT" , " the person is not mentally ill in any way " . Fiction is obvious, but for those who can't see it, " Created by the mind, perhaps somewhere deep, where the conscious is not usually aware, possibly created by a brain disease or mental illness " .

How big of a deal is this "idea" of being able to access a whole new world with boundless possibilities?  How interested, curious and determined should one be to obtain the true light over this knowledge?

Personally i am extremely devoted to this area of study because i highly value the power these possibilities hold, and the countless number of consequences and knock on effects they would have on what we believe to be "reality".  Saying all of this, leads me to another subject of mine, Data Integrity.  With so many people in this world, so many personality types, so many emotions influencing people's decisions, how can one curious user possibly filter through all of the information and opinions presented?  The task seems unbearably tough, and if really the truth is so god- smacking different to what we "normal" folks consider to be reality now, then it should be the most easiest of task to obtain the CORRECT information.  The entire topic is very ambiguous when it really should not be.  I have seen people posting a lot on the lines of , experience beats believing and things like this, ok fair enough, but i am not a "see to believe" type of person, i can trust you, if you want to be trusted.

As i put on my other posts, my skype id is : d3nd3-o0 , please do not hesitate to add me if you hold any valuable information which will set me free from these chains i find myself under.

To all those people who are on the side of FACT , then I do challenge you, i do ask you to come forward, and i do ask you to test your own beliefs.  You do all have a responsibility to share with me and the rest of your race, the reasoning behind your beliefs and why you are thiniking that the reasoning is enough for you to attach a belief system to this knowledge.  Together we can form a mission, to spread the true word to many many people, and get this finally out in to the open.

And now to all of those people who are on the side of FICTION, add me on skype, "d3nd3-o0", where you can take part in discussions and mind-opening exercises to help us appreciate the world around us.  We FICTIONOUS people can only judge by the evidence we have in front of us, but that does not mean that we are not open to a new belief system, of course we are, we want the truth just like you do.  Also i am sure that us group of people would love to try and "experience" the beauty of this wonderful world within us all, so techniques are highly welcomed, from people who are experienced users with strong validation as to why their tehcniques are effective.  If the techniques you give me don't work, and we test them to find that they are nothing but junk, then i will post here to say that to warn other curious users to not waste their time on your mis directions, please, be sure before you post anything.

Peace & Love d3nd3 xxx

I have been wondering to myself lately .. why is it that i and so many others are not naturally inclined to experience this such phenomenon?

Days went past, weeks, months even .. and still no answers, UNTIL the penny dropped and thought , "hang on a second, could it be that there is this disease spreading amongst humans, causing spontaneous outbreaks of insanity?" . I have since spoken to many colleagues and concluded that its a very likely possibility.

Share your thoughts on this idea and whether anyone has information on possible scientific brain scans data etc.

Peace and Love d3nd3 xxx

Much respect to user : alfalfa , its ok though because i am well equipped at dealing with such people :: since i am strong and always get what i want, if i come to forum showing my identity , i expect to be welcomed. Guess thats not solely the case here ^^

Anyway, i will try to help them by correcting some of their mis understandings and assumptions. I know its easy to have wrong signals from people and also to be influenced by your emotional states at the time of writing, but you really gotta master it and get it under control. Here goes, this is for you chump 2 posts up and chump above that.

You say that you do not think my post was positive, thats fine if thats how you interepret it, but no mate its not the god given truth.  I already stated that i am arrogant and very aware of my intellectual capabiltiies, why are you stating what i had already stated? I never said i am a wizard boy lol, neither do i intend to be one, dunno where u got this from lol, u been watching too much harry potter i suppose.

The clever stuff is arleady dealt with, its no crime to be clever .. Immature? pff do n't know where u got that one from LOL .. perhaps he isn't used to my ways of doing things.  I have in fact called people immature myself on multiple occasions when i see them blindly ignoring logic and blindly ignoring respect for people's feelings.  I have done neither as far as i am aware.  You have opinions about people wanting to run in circles FOR me , to PROOVE to me someothing lol. Well dude, this isn't just about "ME" haha. i am not an ego self centric person as you might assume, i do this for many great causes by which i could explain here, but dont know why i have to do that because you shouldnt be making assumptions about who i am or where i have come from etc etc, becasue the moment you do that to a person you immidiately begin to dis respect them.  Yes i hate being the father here, tellin the young ones how to communicate, but i feel its my necessary role considering the post you presented me with.  You come across being my enemy , why so? this is a forum where we share information and try to resolve things, i don't want to really add you to my already many list.

Other chump :: its ok that you agree with the other dewd, but does it make you any more valid? Not really son.  And yes i do know a lot, but of course not everything, i am not google lol, and no not really i am very open minded etc to many things, so really no need for that comment son.  I wouldnt be here if i knew everything would i son ?

I don't need "someone" to proove, no i am not leecher and no i am not looking for proof, i am here for science and to satify much curiousity in the minds of many many millions of people.  I trust my sound reasoning and ability to view things from many angles and perspectives, im sorry if my powerful new post has scared u , ur probably not used to someone who is so eager to confront a challenge.  I would take everyone's advice, if the advice is solid and it has evidence to support it and if it will promote a greater understanding and increase productivity etc, sure i'll take it, for whcih reason do you think i will not take anyoens' advice? If anyone includes you , then you could be on to something, because i don't want to take advice from people who blindly attack and misunderstand a curious helpful person. 

Last food for thought to you both .. Have a long think about what u think is negative , and what u think is positive .. you can't be so sure that negative is really not good ^^ , and if its not good, it could be positive, who knows

Peace & Love d3nd3 xxxx

Hello i am user here, i come spread positive energy in the forum.  I have some questions for u folks there , you programs.
 

I want to be able to have an Out Of Body Experience, and usually when i want something, i get it. Its just the general thing with me and my life, everything i have seeked, i have gotten. And so therefore , i can conclude that if i do not get this Out Of Body Expererience reasonably soon, it does mean that its highly like the whole thing is a hoax.  I will look at things from all aspects, and go ahead and call me arrogant i don't care, i am actually very aware of my high capacity of thinking and analysing, its ok if you envy me lol.

Well , the purpose of this post is to raise some questions and for people to begin to take this topic serious, now that the most serious person who always achieves what he wants in life is on teh topic, you are guys are lucky.

Ok first off i want to see here, Please someone post if you have had an obe, and then add me to skype at d3nd3-o0 for further investigation.

Secondly, if you are a skeptic like myself, then add me too , and i will involve you with teh other skeptics who are seeking the correct answer.  Yes we have all heard the phrase : " go experience it to be happy " .. but that doesn't quite cut it for us skeptics who spend literally endless hours trying the same thing over and over.  I hate to sound rude, but its the reality of this situation, some order needs to be put in place here.

Ok thats all for now, this is by no means the END of me. I am going to be here for the next 60 + years of this forums' life to see for certain the answer and whether or not you were all fakers, just teasing the younger population.  Hope this raises some positive vibrational frequency amongst the fellow wizards here.