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Looking forward to the Swanson interview.

Glad to have been able to watch the interview, thanks. Is there anything special about his book that sets it apart from all the other AP literature?

So you will let us know how it goes? Wish I could join you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWnkSxFINQQ

So in an interview with Thomas Campbell I listened to recently, the interviewer mentioned this guy, Mirin Dajo. Mirin Dajo was a guy who tried to prove that reality is not physical by claiming that swords could be stuck through him and removed as if nothing happened.

He eventually died, possibly to a complication related to swallowing a pointy object and for once, his abilities did not work as intended.

Doctors today who obviously don't believe in the paranormal say he did it by slowly creating tunnels of scar tissue through his body. But that seems rather hard to believe when you see the dagger he passed through his chest at 12:53...

But who knows?

Thank you very much for your patience, Xanth. I imagine these are the sort of questions that might get thrown around a lot and people with more experience such as yourself might be tired of hearing them repeated over and over.

Personal experience tells me there's so much more going on, especially since before I'd read anything about Monroe I had the feeling of oneness and other sensations and thoughts (even likening reality to a giant computer improving itself before I'd ever heard of Thomas Campbell) which I found later when I started reading.

I guess in the end I'm just afraid. There's nobody I know who has more experience than I do in this field and my experience is negligible. Then there's the fact that the majority of mankind has barely any idea there's more to the universe than what they get through their 'five' senses, and if I said anything, I'd be regarded as crazy.

So I begin to wonder if I am just imagining everything.

I'm watching this interview right now and Thomas Campbell references the verifications.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjUGk3ieA-U&feature=related
So that's encouraging.

I understand what you're suggesting Xanth, I remember it being a core belief of yours from previous browsing of the forum.

However, the situation I am struggling with is that in my 'lucid dreams' I don't seem to have any access to anything remotely profound. I'm stuck swimming with my imagination.

The one thing I can't understand is that if dreaming/lucid dreaming/astral projecting gives us a pathway to some deeper reality beyond our physical mind, then why does anything objective not come of it? As with Monroe, why could he not write a first hand account of life in ancient Rome if he had a 'past life' there that he could access and view in its entirety?

What the guy who wrote this book on phasing says is that phasing doesn't prove life after death - the implication is that indeed, it is dependent upon the physical mind.

I mean only to say that I presumed that learning to astral project would give me the answers I have been searching for.

Funnily enough, I've had my questions answered often enough, but once the experience fades I end up as if nothing special had happened.

The last time I used psychedelics with a friend (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) I thought I had my first irrefutable affirmation when the friend I was with was able to experience telepathy with me. I had never believed in it before or even read or heard anything about it, and can still hardly believe it, but as regards personal experience I am 99% certain it is real now.

But I guess deep down what still haunts me is that 1%; in search of the absolute, nothing seems truly knowable in the end.

Then what distinguishes the phase from what Robert Monroe and Thomas Campbell experienced? If it's one and the same then it implies they somehow imagined everything.

From what has been said I know now that I've accessed the phase many times, but mostly by accident upon awakening. They were never too different from a lucid dream except I guess I was more lucid when 'rolling out' to access the phase.

So does that mean there's nothing useful I can do with phasing, because it's just dreaming?

Why doesn't the author of the book take astral projection as proof of an after life? Or maybe I misunderstood what he was saying in the little Conscious Evolution book included in the SOBT download. Would someone else check it out? It's quite short.

You're taking the action of caring about Hawking's belief and jumping to an illogical conclusion. Caring doesn't equate with fear. Disagreement doesn't equate with hatred. This is a forum where it's commonplace to state an opinion, debate, converse, etc. Using your logic, you're fearful for caring about the afterlife since you're here posting. But that isn't the case, right? Motivation comes in many forms... insecurity is but one.

Actually, it is the case that there's a part of me which fears death. I don't think that's surprising - despite personal experience, there's always that part of me which reminds me I can never really know for sure, not logically, at least.

The reason I posted here was emotionally driven (as are any actions by any people emotionally driven, and people who argue otherwise are deluding themselves, else they would not be driven to argue in the first place, which is an emotional action); I got angry because I see so many people taking certain stances that seem scarily silly. And I can worked up about it, because my personal stake in this is that if one person says crazy things and believes them, then for all I know, what I believe is equally crazy.

I hope I've explained myself properly. Don't mistake my frustration for an attempt at being confrontational - but I do hope that I can understand better why some people champion causes which seem so obviously baseless and ill-informed. Personal experience is the key to everything, of course, and logic can't substitute that experience - but conspiracy theories seem to be leaps of logic, not judgements derived of informed personal experience.

I have to admit, coming to these forums is the only thing that really makes me question the past few years of experiences I've had.

Some of you really do come across as loonies without a clue, and then I ask myself, am I making excrement up as well?

Xanth as a CIA agent, and the CIA dominating the stars? Really? The funny thing about Americans and their new world order conspiracies is that they show total ignorance about how the world works, and thus, doesn't give the people who speak them much credibility or sanity.

Any intelligent 'agent' of a new world order would be happy with the current economic and political set-up in the world, because it can easily be manipulated from the shadows. Anyone who thinks there's some shadowy cabal trying to bring about mass authoritarianism just goes to show what limited imagination they themselves possess - it just doesn't make sense in any context. Fat chance having some showy American Illuminati fellow going to Iran or China and trying to unite those countries under a one world government. Fat chance indeed.

And frankly, even if there was a new world order conspiracy, it would probably be for the best, because the only hope for humanity is if we stop killing one another over imaginary things like countries and religions.

I'm afraid hatred of what Hawking said is a dead-give away pointing to your own fears about death - if you were 100% sure that you would survive death, you really wouldn't care what Hawking said. You only care because it threatens your belief system. The same reason radical Christians hate anyone who oppose their beliefs.

After 10 years! Congratulations. It must have been one of the most satisfying moments of your life.  Onwards, to infinity!