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#1
These days?  Once a month. 

When I'm practicing maybe twice a week.

#2
First-timers,

Everyday, waking-life is an astral projection.  If you are "asleep" during the day, then what good is being "awake" while dreaming or projecting?   

Reality testing, appreciation, wonder and awe, these things can be practiced now in the mundane moments.  Lucidity during the day will help your lucidity at night, and vice-versa,
#3
I'm guilty of teaching fatigue. 

If it weren't for those who resisted burnout, though, I wouldn't be where I am today. 
#4
Sound has always been strange for me in the astral.  Sometimes you hear snippets and loud things, other times I hear beautiful music or chimes. 
#5
Sometimes my vibrations are so powerful I worry about hurting myself somehow!  The other day they were so strong and electrifying that I opened my mouth in fear of cracking my teeth. 

Whether or not this was just my astral mouth or not, I do not know!  The pain of the rolling shocks is familiar and easy to allow, and I am always happy to have them.

What are your experiences or stories with almost frightfully powerful vibrations?  Are there any correlations with projection success versus vibration strength?  Some have told me to do energy work to moderate them, for example.
#6
As others have said I will chime in and agree that it is your ear scilia picking up on whatever.  Sometimes it sounds like being at the bottom of a pool, you know?

I've had it my whole life but more as a kid.  I would hear pure tone as young kid if I listened hard enough. 

interestingly enough, I do notice it in projections as well!  As soon as I exit it sounds like I'm in the the most quiet room ever, and all I can hear at first is the soft static, somehow more pronounced. 
#7
I thought I would share my concluded experience of dealing with a repeat entity that accompanied my astral projection experiences.  I know negative, or perceived negative, entities can be a problem for anyone, but especially beginners.  It is a longish story but worth the read I feel.

Years ago I was lying on my back taking a nap.  I felt the vibrations roar over me and I began to slowly exit.  But when I did, I was in the void.  The void to me feels like being in a black lake.  No matter where I go there is ever more darkness.  I would sometimes see some brief hallucinations there, but nothing of substance.

I began to fly upward to go "somewhere," but a hand grabbed my hand and held me.  I do not remember my first reaction, but this happened consistently for months.  I began to fear the vibrational state for this reason. 

I would feel the vibrations, and sure enough, the gentle but firm hand would hold mine.  If I pulled away it held tight, if I relaxed it persisted gently to hold mine.

Has your hand ever fallen asleep and then you shook your own hand with the other?  It is an odd sensation, and exactly the same I felt with this "thing."  It was determined to cling to me, but seemed to have no body, no mind, and would not answer when I called to it.

I tried everything.  "Show your true self."  "Leave me be please."  "I command you to go."  "What do you want?"  Nothing.  Just the hand, always there. 

I tried ignoring it (as is the standard advice for negative entities), but eventually I would become unnerved by it's eery feeling. It would not leave, and it was always there, waiting for me to project.

Finally, I fought it in frustration and anger.  To be trapped by something waiting for you for months, it became too much.  I struggled but it held tighter, like a chinese finger trap.  I lashed out at it with hate and heavy, weak astral limbs.  It hissed at me and bit me on the neck.  I woke up in shock.

At this point my theory was that I was on a low vibrational frequency, and thus projecting into a low frequency realm, where this neutral energy creature would latch onto me. 

I continued to struggle in my projections, the harder I tried to fly away, sometimes the more hands would grab on to hold me. 

I asked my therapist about this, as he is familiar with this kind of thing.  He suggested that the entity was myself, holding on to me in fear.  This made sense but was a bold claim. 

I filled my heart with love in meditation.  The next time I projected I was filled with this universal love.  I was lying on my back facing upward into the darkness of the void as always, and the shadow hand grabbed my ankle loosely and numbly. Instead of fighting, I embraced the entity with my whole heart, seeking to join the two of us as one.  I felt sadness and compassion for this entity, and suddenly a tremendous warm orangeish light pierced the darkness above and shone on me.  I was being lifted upward heavily and slowly.   So softly yet steadily rising.  The hand clung tightly, so tightly, and in my heart I did not wish to repel it, as in my trance I was sympathetic and accepting. 

I felt the hand slowly slip as it's grip slid down my ankle to my foot to my toes, until nothing.  I continued to rise until I breached an energy wall, and from there I drifted as if in orbit until I woke up in an ecstatic mood.

I have not felt the hands since then, years ago. 
#8
Quote from: Greytraveller on June 20, 2011, 13:10:20

First off, I was also a member of that old astralforum.com site. Did you go by the same username back then or have you changed  it since??


I may have gone by Jahoba, but I can't remember.  I vaguely remember you and Marduk as frequent posters.  I don't think I posted all that much.  Good to see someone from there, though!  It was a helpful place
#9
I have experienced this as well in deep meditation.  I tend to think along with Summerland that it is a hallucination, though it sure is a convincing sensation!  Bed shakes, the headboard rattles. 
#10
It sounds like you not only have potential, but are gifted. 

Personal discipline will be your greatest obstacle in achieving an astral projection.  It is a spiritual facet, a tool, a flashy ability, but will not by itself offer you an ounce of the spiritual rewards that meditation and introspection offer.  If you are seeking that "big secret," astral projection's excitement will pass and become commonplace, just like any other concept or skill. 

Your ability to succeed in the dream world or the astral world might be factored into 3 basic areas:

-Energy work

-Ability to relax deeply

-Present moment awareness.

Energy work affects the quality of your projections and the control you have over your astral body and the environment.  The ability to relax gets you to the sleep paralysis state, and present moment awareness is what distinguishes an experience from any other experience that we are simply reactive towards, or even forget altogether. 

You have one of the three areas down (relaxation to sleep paralysis), and your success will critically depend on your dedication to master the other two despite your racing mind and tumultuous bio-chemistry. 

#11
Thank you for the kind welcome and comments. 

I feel intuitively that I am indeed stagnated.  I have been doing a lot of growth in the physical (new family life, overcoming difficulty), and so maybe have not been looking inwardly enough.  Pushing forward is its own strength, but it can become a habit to look away from one's self after the storm has passed. 

I'll meditate on this.  The fact that I am afraid to face what's inside probably means I have been disconnected for longer than I meant to be. 
#12
Congratulations on your OBE, but I couldn't tell if it was recent or in the past that you had it. 

The lucid dreaming techniques have always been the easiest for me.  You wake up gently and BOOM, instant sleep paralysis.  Takes more savvy than discipline in my experience, but lower quality projections than the ones induced by meditation from wakefulness. 

How consistent has your meditation and energy work been?  Everyone has different karma and genetically inherited sensitivities.  I'm sure you have read this, but obtaining a certain level of confidence with Lucid Dreaming is a natural precursor to Astral Projection for many, as it is a safer and less abrasive version of A.P.  (No exit sensations, and the realm is your own and therefore familiar)

My school of mysticism suggests that the abilities come when room is made for them in the mind.  Those who project before ready are more open to negative experiences.  Mindfulness meditation is the tree trunk, and astral projection and lucid dreaming are two of the branches that bear fruit, but only from a healthy trunk. 
#13
Greetings astral pulse!

A long time ago I studied astral projection on the now defunct "Astral Forum."  That was 7 years ago and this is my first visit to a new astral community. I want to take better control of my abilities and sensitivities and so am happy to find a forum such as this. 

My question, though, is more of an observation. 

When I first started astral projection my experiences took me to strange places, like temple gardens, red cloud formations, and deserts.   As time went on, I began to have more ascension type projections, where I would be immersed into a sphere of energy and fire, but once through the "sphere" I would gently awaken. 

Now, however, I frequently have OBE from the vibrational state, but they are very mild in nature, and most turn into a regular dream if I stay too long and lose focus.  For example, I will roll out of bed (roll out method) and find myself in my room.  I hear my family talking (but they are not actually, I have confirmed this) and I usually try to make it to a window.  Rarely anything exotic. 

So my question is, do you notice your meditations influencing the flavor of the OBE?  My meditations these days have been purely mindful, whereas before I did sufi love meditations. I do not encounter negative entities as much these days either.  Really, it feels almost a consistent neutral experience. 

The only distinction between a lucid dream and OBE is lack of control.  In an OBE my ability to influence my environment is drastically reduced, and sometimes I am forced to crawl or walk drunkenly to my goal, whereas in a lucid dream I am able to use will power to do a myriad of things. 

Maybe the neutral OBEs reflect my lack of goals.  I truly have no conscious thing to discover or accomplish at this time. 

Anyway, hello astral pulse and thanks for reading!

-tibor