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Hello fellow forumer's,

I have discovered a technique that will instantly get you into the paralysis/rem state without depriving yourself of too much sleep.

the technique is as follows

1. it helps if you excersise during the day and tire your physical body, i highly recommend running or football because it gets you into a passive stress free depression free exhausted state. this step is optional.

2. Go to bed around 10:30-11 with a book and a dim light, bright enough too read and dim enough to help you fall asleep. The book is necessary because it makes your mind more clear and focused, you can also get a very boring book to help you get drowsy and begin to fall assist in falling asleep if you have sleeping problems.

3. After reading for like 10-15 minutes set your alarm clock to wake you up 5-15 minutes later, in my case, the sooner the alarm wakes me up, the more intense step 4 is going to be.

4. After setting your alarm, close your eyes and make sure your whole body is comfortable and go to sleep on your back, you should begin to feel white flashes in your head before you even fall asleep. When you do fall asleep, you will either get sleep paralysis or intense hallucinations and dream images, this is the condition that will allow you to explore the out of body state.

I hope this was useful info to you.
Osman

for those of you having difficulty acheiving the out of body state,

using Habit will greatly increase your chances.

When you make a habit of something, and you are consistant with it every day and you don't procrastinate, you will get results, this apply's to all aspects of life,

this is just my opinion, I have had alot of positive results when I made a habit by excersising every day and then getting into a passive state of mind and then attemping to project.

making a habit out of something will give you a passive state of mind, that passive single minded state is what's needed to project.

consistancy and passiveness will greatly assist you.

I want to know what holds us in our physical bodies.

and I think it has something to do with magnetism, some forcefeild around us might be actually holding our other bodies in alighment with the physical.

someone posted an article on another forum that said his doctor told him he has "rather low blood pressure", he can project anytime. I think their are alot of people who are naturally born to project.

I think that blood cells do more than just deliver oxygen etc. I think they also omit electrical energy which causes magnetism and holds us in place. Electromagnetism, this maybe the reason why obe's are so much easier when we are very relaxed and very inactive, blood pressure is low.

I am about to experiment with the worlds strongest magnets, recommended by Anne Varness of astralvoyage.com alot of people who posted articles on that website said they had positive effects with the magnets. you can find links and information on that site, do a search "magnet".

what do you think?

for the past 3 nights, I started sleeping on my back,

this was impossible for me to do before, because i could never fall asleep in that position, , but after adjusting my sleeping enviornment, I can sleep comfortably on my back, with the help of Visco elastic memory foam bed and pillow.

It helps greatly when i go to bed after excersising at the Y.

When i sleep on my back, i immediately notice a change of conciousness, sort of like a passive dreamy state, yet awake in the mind but without all the clutters of normal waking thoughts.

heres the weird part, I am paralyzed, yet My whole body especially my face is being pulled and stretched, and my heart felt like it was slowly dying, i actually felt my heart stop ( that is when i decided to stop the excersise). I am beginning to enjoy this state because it feels like a massage, getting my face pulled out of body.

my only problem is, how do i get a full OBE from this state,

After the above state, When i go back to normal physical wakefullness. I can still feel a stetchy magnetic feeling in my face.

I wonder if Magnetism somehow has something to do with this. I know Quantum physicists, united electricity and magnetism, Electromagnetism, but they still cant find a way to unite these two with Gravity. I wonder if a machine can be built that can manipulate our magnetic feild so that we can get out of the animals that we're in.

During the above experience, i can also feel electricity ( vibrations )

People, I did salvia couple of times, and it was a disaster,

everytime i do it, i hear my own voice in my head saying different things, it gives me a strong need to mastrubate, and I feel disgust all over myself at the end.

i dont reccomend you do that salvia stuff, even with a water pipe.

try calea lucid dream herb. instead, I havnt tried myself but will soon. I'd rather have a controlled obe from a lucid obe, than have a scattered mind obe from smoking salvia.

People say before the universe their was nothing. But what if nothing is in fact something.

Time is an illusion because I beleive God and all the higher beings have infinite patients and 1000 of our years is like a day to them.
That is how God doesnt need a beginning or an end, their is no time their for he cant begin nor end. confusin isnt it. We depend on God he is the only self sufficient being, He is the source.

Yes, physical reality is an illusion, it states that in the text books of the worlds monethestic religions. "The life of this world is nothing more than a dream compared to the hereafter!" -Quran

-Osman

This is from a newspaper article,

"Meanwhile, in a break from scientific discipline, the researchers

posed a fanciful question on one report: "Maybye we are made of type A matter, and there is another kind, type B (or WIMPS), that doesn't
interact with type A except by gravity. Could there be type B stars, type B planets -- even type B people?"

I think the discovery of WIMPS is the first of many discoveries that will eventually proove the existence of other realities out their.

HI people, new member here.

To get a guaranteed obe, you will have to get sleep paralysis which is ez to do.

First go to sleep at 10 or 11 pm and set your alarm clock to wake you up at 12 am or 1 am.

After you wake up, keep your body tired but your mind alert, best to read a book on bed under a dim light. []

Soon you will start feeling white flashes in your head and you will know that something is coming on.

best to lie on your back at this point as it will make the experience intense, you should become paralyzed in less than a minute after closing your eyes.

This is the point where you will have to face your fears, i think its different for everyone but, I am concious and paralyzed, can talk in my head, feel things biting and grabbing on me,( i think that may be my astral body grabbing me.) Things yelling at me with weird voices.

After the initial fear it should be easy to get out of your body and wonder around. Its fun.
btw, its best to do this when your physically exhausted to make the exit easier, like after you play some sports or come from running.
Osman

yes i have alot of different accounts on astral pulse.

Thanks for the replies, and thank you VBS for fully explaining this matter in detail.

i am going to go off subject now.

I also want to mention that, I have more DEJAVU'S especially at the work place, the previous sentence just gave me a DeJavu because I thought I was sure i posted this in this forum before, but I havn't verified this.

anyways, my point is that increased Dejavu's is a side effect of spiritual work.

Forums are for sharing ideas and knowledge, its up to the individual person to develop his/her spiritual progress, no guarantee's here.

hi,
i will try to answer your questions
I have studied Salvia and tried it with no success,

I beleive your saliva is keeping your body awake, you need to relax 100%.
maybe smoking an extract will help.

I read that a guy smoked a crystal like extract of salvia, pure salvinorin A and he instantly got zapped out of his body, far far away from reality. I will pm you with the link once I find it.

sorry sometimes dont seem to make sense grammatically,

let me try to clear things up,

If you make a habit out of practicing OBE's, you will get good results. When it becomes a habit to practice any obe techniques that work for you everyday and you are consistant with this habit for a month, you will very easily get into a passive state of mind, and this is the right frame of mind to have an OBE. Because you are not worried and you have no expectations.
im gonna leave it their, hope it clears things up.

Hi,

I think i remember reading one of Robert Bruce's book saying that Blind people can project but need to get rid of the Veil that they put over themselves when their out of body, even though they are out of body it will still be blackness because of the veil.

I beleive that the techniques for projecting are the same as any person who is not blind.

thats just my opinion

Hello Callie, its interesting to hear that,

since you and I are somewhat alike, try sleeping on your back after a hard days work, or when your really exhausted, just try it, especially at night time, you will most likely get sleep paralysis,

something that I know my mother has, which i most likely inherited.

My mother's side of my family is very religious, ever notice how religious people are not very active, maybe thats why they have low blood pressure.
ohh, and i read somewhere that people who are very active age quickly because energy that gets burned up in their body has side effects which destroy cells etc. It makes sense if you think about other things here on earth that work the same way, things like cars.

-Osman

The astral blindness is coming from your room, not you.

When i attempt to astral project at night often from the paralysis scary state, everything is dark but i can hear and feel.

However when i attempt to project during daylight, i can see the whole room clearly, even my arms and body and everything.

If you are attempting to project during daylight, make sure your body is physically tired ( excersice )and ur in a passive state of mind with nothing to distrub you, no deadlines meetings etc. no worries.

When you attempt to project during light, i suggest you use a special sunlight lamp. Not too bright and not too dim.
you can get one from http://www.technoscout.com
The darkness in your room programs a subconcious message that you cannot see at all.

Its all internal programming, WE ARE WHAT WE THINK WE ARE.

masturbation hurts you physically,

it isnt good for you, and has long term effects like, one minute man syndrome

Hello Everyone,

yes i am Muslim, originally from Somalia,

Gandalf, the place your talkin about sounds like a nice enviornment to meditate, but I dont want to hear people associating things with God, as I beleive in one God.

lol muselman never heard such a thing.

I dont know anything about the jewish religion, but this is my opinion.

I think God cursed the Jews after they started worshipping other things than him, after all the hard work that was put into getting them away from pharoh and to the promised land.

I think they still worship the same thing and havnt repented.