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I have just recently started trying OBE's.  I've tried about 5 times so far, and swear I almost projected a few times.  I have a few questions before I actually go through with this:  Being a Catholic, I was wondering if there are any moral downfalls to this.  It may sound somewhat retarded, but is this a sin?  My friend was questioning the morality of this so it made me think.  Also, what can be done as far a self defense in the astral dimension.  If I encounter a not so friendly astral being, what can I do to protect myself.  Thank you for your help

Yes ok I now understand that and I shall no longer scream at my computer.....  [xx(]

quote:Originally posted by JustLikeThePill


theres nothing wrong with it. could you please tell us what your friend said about it being immoral?

i am a christian. i'm not a babtist or a methodist or a cathlic or whatever, i'm cant quoat the bible and i dont go to church. i definately dont accept everything the bible says blindly, and i dont listen to everything all these religious mumbo-jumbos say, i decide what i beleive and i listen to others opinions, but its wrong to tell someone what they beleive in isn't right. you can say "well i dont believe that, but i DO believe this....". its dumb to tell him that he can and can not question. your not him.

"You just question the authority of the church because you have not experienced God" WOW! your way more advanced than i am! a mind reader! I have experianced God and i question the church. look at your church, no offense, but wasn't there a big molestation case? Your church isn't perfect, and its STUPID to accept things blindly and go along with what the church says because "they say so" ...

oh, and by the way, i think its very rude to make a poste excusing yourself and calling you a noob, and yet you judge the wonderful members of this forum and tell them what they think, and why they do it.

sometimes its best to find the answer for yourself. REALLY. i have learned that VERY recently.

Why don't you friggin calm down.  My friend questioned the morality because you can basically do what you want in an AP, which whose statement did make a good bit of sense.  But it is what you do with the AP, not the AP itself that is immoral.
 Yes there were molestations, damn priests giving a bad wrap for the whole Church, the Chuurch cannot be blamed, this would fall under the category of free will.  I am not condoning those priests' actions, but it was their free will to do so.  When was I judging anyone?  I was just stating my thoughts on a certain idea, so shut the f*** up.  OOOooo I could just get all ticked like you did, oh no, you told me that it is stupid to accept things blindly, or not.  I accept because I can, and because it is common sense.

Will you please think next time before you speak because you obviously picked up on some ideas that were not actually stated.  

Enough of that.

You all have some very good points.  You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe, im not going to try to change that.  The basis of a faith is just that, faith.  Nuff said.

I don't see a problem here.  People just lazy at the keyboard that's all.

Thank you for your help.  As, for you Ramiel, I will have to disagree with you on that.  I respect your OPINION but I disagree.  You can not question that there is a higher being at work.  Obviously, someone has put us here on earth.  You just question the authority of the church because you have not experienced God.  I suggest you go to chuch for it is YOU who needs to open their eyes.

Ok, enough of that.  I have another question.  What is the best way to project?  I usually get the vibrations, but I can not seperate.  Help please!