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Hi Szaxx,

The NP can be manipulated to extract more time there than here. This then opens up days or more in the experience and here an hour or so has elapsed.

Could you explain me how ? I understand why in theory (Time can be manipulated in the non-physical like everything else), but in pratice I can only work on my own conscious self, I sometimes have some dip of lucidity here and there and I use the old technique of using all your senses at once to retrieve my full lucidity in the non-physical, thus extending slightly my time there, but as far as spending days in the non-physical, that's an unknown to me. What's it's like to sleep in the non-physical ? I have read your story in New Jericho, I think I will try to ask the Void if I can be helpful to someone, maybe it will allow me more time than when I just want to have fun or discover places ?

If you get this calling, go through everything in the experience in your mind and wake up while doing this.

I have tested it and it's very effective, thanks a lot, at least I have a use for this body recall now !

[The difference between f2/f3?]

Hello again everyone!

So nice to see the pulse back and running, I can't believe it has been two years since my last post! my god how times flies! I don't really know if I should open a new thread for my questions or use the old one, mods let me know if you rather have me make a new thread.

During that gap, I had many cool adventures in the non-physical, some not so good as well but still fascinating. I have seen magical places and hellish places, discovered stuff about myself that I used to ignored and also started to have a small understanding about how the non-physical work although a huge part remains a mystery for me. My honest review of the non-physical: it's an incredible "place"! You will see stuff that will leave you in awe, the possibilities are endless, to give you an idea I have visited a place that I have created in my head at work during the day...just to see if this was possible and yes, it is! Having a one-on-one chat with a character that you have invented in your head during your lunch break is not something you will forget immediately and it made me look at my imagination from a whole new perspective. I encourage everyone who read this to try it without fear and have fun with it, yes sometimes you will have bad experiences, but honestly, it's not that bad, and it's going to be less scary than what you think it will be (I hope this sentence make sense aha).

There are still a lot stuff I don't fully understand when I'm in the non-physical however, and I think it would be nice to have the opinion of those who have a lot experiences in the matter, I'll post some today and the rest later because it's already a long post:

The difference between f2/f3?

I often start my non-physical journey from the void, it act as a search engine for me, I just say something or think of something and it drop me in places that are absolutely incredible but as far as I can tell there is no way to know where you are on the scale of Frank Kepple F1-F4. No amount of precision in my demand seems to do the trick, there are no major differences every time I switch from places to places, everything is as real as the physical (I use this as my only frame of reference), I can feel the wind, the rain, the objects, the person I talk to, etc....I don't feel more or less conscious, I'm just conscious. I could be in F2, in F3 or even on earth who knows, yes, some places are obviously non-physical with flying mountain or impossible structures but I have seen some that are very similar to the physical as well. I have tried some investigation with the inhabitant that I meet sometime but it's hard to get useful information without looking like a madman ("what do you mean where are we? In Fludktasia of course!"Yeah ...ok thanks...Sorry for the dumb question). Since my time in the non-physical is limited, I have let go of trying to understand where I was and just enjoy the experience but, in the back of my head, I still don't understand how Frank was able to classified all this? Maybe it simply was a metaphor that I did not understand?

Time constraints in the non-physical?

Even if it fluctuates, I have a time limit during all my access to non-physical of around 30 to 45mn (impossible to tell but it feels like approximately that amount of time), very rarely can I go above 1h, every time I get close to the time limit I feel the call of my body. I could not describe it but as soon as I sense it, I know my time is up and that I have to quickly finish what I am doing. It can be very annoying, especially when you're having a good conversation with someone. Lately, I have been hanging around on reddit and I have seen post from people claiming they were spending days, even weeks in the non-physical just by writing a script of what they want their non-physical adventures to be(R/shiftingrealities). It's not my experience at all so I remain skeptical but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if this time limit is not just a deep belief that I have? Why would I have around an hour in the non-physical? why not 6? I can change the time of day at will in the non-physical but I seems to have no control over this invisible time limit, writing a script does not work for me at the moment. Am I missing something?

The non-physical sometimes transferring into the physical?

One of my most memorable experience in the non-physical was from a small alien that suddenly appears in front of me, totally hairless, white skin, no apparent gender, small tail. I tried to communicate by saying "well hello there", no answer. The little alien gets very close to my face, I do not sense bad intent more like a playful one so I just wait and see what is going to happen. I distinctly felt two pointy teeth in my neck and before I could say anything a UNREAL orgasmic explosion went through my entire body and instantly woke me up. My body was still feeling the orgasmic sensation coming from my neck for a good 5mn after I woke up, I was in the bathroom in front of the mirror looking for mark on my neck, I was able to pinpoint exactly were it bite me but nothing showing on my skin, not even a red point or anything. I have tried to reproduce the experience with other character in the non-physical but it was never as powerful as with the little alien, after about a month or two, I let go and continue my quest to access F4. However, while trying to reproduce the experience, I have discovered that your body (or more specifically your brain maybe?) sometimes might be confused and does not make a difference between an activity in the physical and an activity in the non-physical. Which can lead to small inconveniences, sexual encounter in the non-physical might produce a very real after-effect when you wake up (because of this I also vow to never use the bathroom in the non-physical, just in case lol), small pain can sometimes be felt sometimes (it's not real pain, more like a sensation, I have been bitten by a huge black dog for example and felt the mark distinctly on my arm as soon as I woke up, but again, no mark on my arm or anything), same thing for some powerful emotions. Does any of you have had a similar experience? if yes, have you been able to extend the sensation for longer than a few minutes in the physical? I can see a very good practical use of this kind of experience like having a strong emotion of joy or an orgasmic feeling lasting during the day after an experience, but unfortunately for me it's totally random and rare so I was wondering.

Ok I think that's all for today, very happy to be back and to hear from you, sorry for all the pm that I missed btw 

[Sit down]

Hi everyone,

I have been spending some time practicing and exploring my consciousness recently and I had great results. Thanks to all of you, I have achieved my goal of being able to access the non-physical more or less at will (still not able to do it at night, so all my experiences happens during the day) so now I will spend some time exploring my own mind (or F2/F3 from Frank model) in order to finally access the Source one day. So far, accessing the non-physical has been my greatest tool for personal development, once inside, it really highlights the beliefs/problems/Memories that I thought I did not have or lost.

An example of a problem that I have found by exploring a bit my own mind: After many experiences in the non-physical, I don't have too much of a problem with fear anymore, some are still present of course but apparently, I now have to take care of a new and unexpected problem: Lust. It is still unclear who or what is giving me these lessons in the non-physical so I will just say it's the Void for now since it's the only "being" I have had some sort of communication with. After analyzing my experiences, I could clearly see a pattern between all of them: I switch to the non-physical, the void let me play a bit in this new reality (fly, touch, look, experiment with stuff), then it introduces me with a problem (someone is angry at me, there is a monster or the more recent one: a beautiful entity with orgasmic energy). I'm getting good at ignoring all the fear stuff but the lust is really a challenge! The lust test is not complicated, you open a door, suddenly a being invites you to enter the room to have fun, if you say "no thanks" the experiences will continue and you will be able to do what you wanted to do at first place, if you say yes and go inside the room well you will have a really great time but the experience will end and you will come back to the physical. It might sound like a very easy problem to deal with, just say no and close the door, but the reality of the interaction with the being and the orgasmic feeling you have during the fun time is not something you tend to forget... And because it feel really good you tend to ask for more. Funny how Fear and Lust are opposite and yet produce the same problems. Instead of saying "I hope this will not happen" when you open a door in the non-physical you are now saying "I hope it will happen again" and you tend put aside the objective that you had for more fun time. it's clear to me that Void is trying to find balance inside myself and that will make me able to go forward in my journey. I will spend the next couple of months focusing on overcoming all the problems that the void will Highlight.

I'm using the Pulse as a notepad for some of my experiences and discoveries, I sometime reread myself to give me an idea of my progression through the year and at the same time add some new discoveries like the lust stuff. Maybe it will help people that read the thread from time to time. I hope to post about the Source or F3 next time but for the moment I will follow the teaching of the Void and see where it will lead me.

By the way here is what I do to access the non-physical, maybe some of you will find value in it:

Sit down
You can sit on a chair, half-lying on your couch, be in a bathtub or in a lotus position it doesn't matter, you just have to be comfortable. Avoid lying in bed during bedtime at first.

Calming the mind
The most important thing, in order to start the process, you have to calm the mind. It is really not a difficult thing to do, you just have to keep focusing on something without forcing. This will have the effect of slowly reducing all the "noise " you have in your head and will trigger fleeting imagery, faces in the blackness in front of you or short mini-dreams. Once you have achieved this state you are right at the door of the non-physical. I said it in a previous post you can focus on literally anything breathing, visualization, counting, noticing, hearing, mantra and many more are all good to calm the mind. You just have to choose which one is the easiest for you, I personally have some difficulties using visualization in order to calm my mind, it creates weird tensions around my eyes. This problem disappears once in the mini-dream/fleeting imagery state because It's a more relax state. I use counting or sometimes noticing depending on the day.

Here is an example of counting: I sit in my sofa and start counting in my head from 0-100 at the speed I want to. Once I reach 100, I start counting from 100 to 0 while slowing down the Countdown. 95...94....93......92.........91...............90........................89, you get the idea. If a thought come, I let go and continue my counting until I reach the state of fleeting imagery/scene. If I reach 0 and nothing has happened, I restart count from 0 to 100 again.

Let it flow / let go
Once you have reached the imagery/mini dream state that come and go like a wave or like a yo-yo, the work is mostly over and your task is now to let go and relax while imagining a small scenario in your head. Any scenario will do, just keep imagining and you will see that the story will start to have a life of its own. Continue to follow the story a little more and you will end up in a first-person view inside the story. Welcome to the non-physical! The key here is to let it flow! Like Lumaza said the story act only as a "primer" for your mind and in a short time it will use your story and build something with it. Also a very good point from Szaxx last post :

This IS what your mind needs to concentrate on. Forget the eyes or am I doing it  correctly. These thought are destructive and a good stopper no matter how deep you sre in the process.
The blackness, especially the 3D feeling is where you initiate a scene like the above fighter pilot test. Do this snd you'll be out there in seconds. So many get so close and don't initiate a scene. They wait and know they are waiting for the NP to manifest something. This is already happening, right in your face. YOU are waiting and the NP IS manifesting this 'waiting' on your behalf.
You know through training when the body is so far out of the mind when the blackness starts its mini dreams etc. Your turn to creatively initiate a scene is here, at this point. Get creative and you can be anywhere within your imagination.

You can also use a more passive approach and let the mini-dream come and go while you observing them and then decide to interact with one that seems interesting enough. You basically let your mind choose the story for you instead of creating it in this case.

That's all really...

- Sit down
- Calm the mind
- Let go / let it flow

Took me a full year to understand this but that's all you need to access the non-physical!

With that said, let's start this new year with something positive: I would like to express my gratitude to all the people that have help me on this website or on other platform, special thanks to Lumaza and Szaxx that gave me great food for thought with their post despite me being not always clear due to my English! I too hope that I will be able to help other with what I have learn someday.


P.S. I recommend you watch Soul, the new movie from Pixar on Disney+, It's a refreshing take on life and death in general while being fun to watch!

Hi all,

Two questions :

First, my practice at night is improving. I am using counting to relax and noticing to keep my mind busy. I am now able to hear myself snoring while being conscious ! It's something that never happened during my daytime practice. It's so loud that it scared me a little the first time. To me this is the absolute proof that my body is asleep. However there is something I dont' fully understand when I'm in this state of mind, the feeling is different from when I'm in the Void. When I'm in the Void, my body is far in the background of my mind while still being accessible and therefore it's easy to go where I want in the non-physical. It's not the case when I'm in the mind awake body asleep state, I can still slightly sense my body and even though the blackness in front of me is kind of 3D it's not as easy to initiate the switch. I don't understand why ? My body is snoring and so my consciousness should not be limited by it ? For now, I can only stay a few minutes in this state, at some point I either lose control and fall asleep or come back to the physical and the snoring immediatly stop. My first guess is that my mind awake body asleep state is an early one and you need to stay more time in it in order to slowly enter the Void state ?

Second is about the reason I'm doing all this. At first I wasn't too interested in lucid dreaming and Out of body experience, my goal was the Source/HigherSelf, only recently I found out about all the possibilities that can offer these states (Discover aspects of ourselves, healing, reliving past memories, inspiration, and so on). I have been told about this Source/Higher State state from a member of my familly who past away. The only things I know is that this state of consciousness is beyond anything you can experience in this lifetime and once in it you have a brief view of "the big picture". That is why I have set a goal to at least try to access it during my lifetime, to understand even briefly what's this all about. I went looking into the Forum to see if I could find informations about other members who had already access this state, but did not find anything. Even on Google, everyone seems to use a different label (Samadhi, Higher Self, LCS) and I'm not always sure if we are talking about the same things.

The best descriptions of what I have been told is from Frank's Focus 4 :

So what's Focus 4 like? Well, you need to realize that F4 is nothing like F1, F2 or F3. It's unique. You phase into what feels like a huge interconnecting communications network. In a way it's like plugging your computer into the Internet. But you are plugging your mind into an infinite network of other minds. There is, of course, a LOT more to it than that. But in a nutshell that's the simplest explanation I can come up with. While it is an exciting thing to do, I have to mention that it is not for the feint of heart, or for anyone who is not totally grounded in themselves mentally.

The "problem" you might say, is you can get to feeling like you have "lost your own mind".
Thing is, we get so used to having only ourselves in mind. And communicating in this area is fully mind-to-mind. So what you do is merge your mind with another mind or minds (now multiple merging is really freaky, lol) and you communicate via thoughts, imagery, feelings, and so forth, in ways that are appropriate for the subject matter you are communicating about.
In a sense, though, it feels like someone is "invading" your mind, and the more egotistical parts of you may battle against it. With me it took about a hundred attempts before I became comfortable with the process.

It is an area of purely subjective reality. So nothing actually exists as an objective observable form. To feel your whole sense of 'body' totally disintegrate is not something you forget in a hurry. This is why I do not recommend beginners attempt Phasing to focus 4. There are no 'dangers' don't get me wrong. But the effects are mind blowing and I do not say this lightly. Seeing my whole physical life as a *concept* changed my outlook on life significantly overnight. The notion of *concepts* is one that you will have to fully grasp in order to make headway in F4. In F4, everything is to do with subjective concepts and F4 is the source of all concepts that eventually manifest in objective reality. You can decide to merge with the underlying subjective energy that forms the concept of anything you care to think of and experience being that thing, or more correctly, the concept of that thing. You can experience being the concept of a flower, a rock, a cloud, an ant, or a human being. For the really adventurous, you can also experience more abstract concepts, like being a sound (this is fun!), or a day of the week - that's right, you can experience the concept of 'Tuesday'! There is no end of concepts that you can engage with - I told you it was freaky!

It is an area of simultaneous time, as opposed to linear time that we experience within this physical reality. So everything that is about to happen, has happened and is happening, is all happening at once within the same moment (within infinity everything happens an infinite number of times). This means of course that there is no death, no beginning or ending: everything just IS. However at the same time, there is ever-expanding consciousness. Hey, it's hard to get your head around, but who said infinite reality and the prospect of ever expanding consciousness would be easy! It's all part of the fun!

There are many, many people resident within Focus 4. Pure energy essences you might call them, that you can tap into. These people are quite knowledgeable and do come across as kind of "god-like" you could say. But that's only because they are subjective energy essences that exist primarily as a point of consciousness, so to speak. When we each (for want of a better word) "complete" our current movement through consciousness, or as Monroe was saying "graduate", we too will reside within Focus 4 solely as an energy essence, or a point of consciousness. This is simply part and parcel of adopting Focus 4 as your Primary Focus, instead of Focus 1 or Focus 3. But I guess people in the past have just misunderstood what's what.

If I had come across Focus 4 before Freda and Harath (my guides) had given me a detailed briefing of what to expect, then even I could well have mistaken my interactions as some kind of communication with divine being(s). Because that's precisely the way they come across. They radiate a kind of energy that tends to turn you to emotional jelly. But they are not "gods" as such. The energy they radiate is merely a product of adopting Focus 4 as your primary focus. If any of us chose to do the same, we would radiate the same energetic signature. Well, that is what I am told. I won't actually know until I try it myself, of course.

So here are my questions regarding this state :

- The person who first told me about this said there was a sort of fear test before entering this state. Your Ego (or the person you think you are) must momentarily die/disappear for the duration of the experience and so you must be brave enough to go forward while "feeling" like you are going too far into yourself, without knowing if you are actually dying or not. Have you heard about this kind of fear test before ? Do you think it could just be a belief or simply the person's fear of death manifesting ? I could not find anything online about this.

- Frank talked about the intensity of the experience, he adviced to at least have a good understanding of his F2 and F3 state before attempting to access this state (that is my plan at the moment). Even Tom Campbell talked about the experience being something really beautiful and that he only allow himself to do it 2-3 times a year to really savor it. It's clear to me that this is something very intense and rewarding but I have heard of some "secondary effect" that can occur for a week or two after having that kind of experience, have you heard of anything about it ? The only thing I could find is people having temporary "secondary effect" after Kundalini... I don't know if this is an other label that people use to describe the experience.

I am asking about all this because last time, in the Void, I had a feeling that I just needed to ask it to show me this Source/F4 state and it would had done it. But as you can tell, I think it's too early at the moment, I still have beliefs and fears about this (especially of death). So in order to start reducing my beliefs and my fears, I wanted to know if you could direct me to someone that already went deep into this state ?

Hi lumaza, thanks for all the links it's very useful !

It came to whole new level though when I received a new light/sound machine for Christmas. I already had been experimenting for a few years with another one that i enjoyed. This new machine seemed to have some kind of glitch in it that led to a very powerful light pulse that left me with what is known as Trigeminal Neuralgia. The nerve in my left eye would go nuts with spasms every time I closed my eyes. So, I needed to learn to adapt with that. I had to hold onto to the left side of my face, near my eye, as I attempted to fall asleep. It was extremely uncomfortable. It would take hours some nights to finally lose consciousness. But while doing this, I seemed to stay consciously aware right into the Dream cycle. After while it was "cycles". For awhile there I couldn't turn it off. But I learned so much from it. Tibetan Dream Yoga is when you stay awake through your Dream cycles. You can do a google search on that. Robert Moss is a great guy to help your further understanding. I have posted videos by him here on the Pulse in the past.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/dreaming_is_waking_up-t39742.0.html

I'm so sorry for what happened to you   I have never tried (and now never will) any machines or supplements to help induce my experiences. To me it's a natural phenomena that need to be more understood that's it. The idea of a machine that slighty wake you up seems like a good idea....but look what it did to you ! I hope they gave you your money back !

When I started here, it did with me as well. That's why I began experimenting with ways to keep my mind busy, while the shift occurred. That came via my Doorway process, Phantom Wiggling, all kinds of things. I found it so boring to just stare at the darkness for a good hour. Many people say their "monkey mind" keeps them from meditating. i found a way to keep that monkey mind occupied. Through my years of experimenting I found that the shift was much closer than I had first thought it was. I didn't need a hour any more. Now the shift comes quite quickly.

This actually gave me a very good idea ! Once in the detached state, I have tried to visualized a story or a place while waiting for the yo-yo effect to start carying me into a more profond state. It worked ! At first, I decided that my story will start inside of a spaceship. I fly the spaceship to a planet. Now I am in front of a house (I can feel the yo-yo effect start in the background of my mind while I'm busy with my story). I walk in front of the house, the story change a little bit without my consent. Suddenly I stop, the view switch from 3rd person to 1st person without me doing anything. My eyes are focusing on the stairs of the house and it's getting more and more vivid. I'm getting excited and go back in the physical, but very happy about my finding  

About your last post, I was reading it 1h before going to bed. Turns out that last night I had the most long and interesting lucid dream in a while. Since I have started to practice at night, even though I fail, my dream recall has improved drastically ! I do not need journal to remember my dream anymore, but like you, I'm recording the one that are very interesting. Last night was one of them, I will not describe all the things that happenned because some of them are very personal and other maybe not appropriate on a public forum. But to make things short, I had mutliple lucid dream without returning to the physicial. Everytime my dream was fading I ended up in the void fully conscious. That's something that never happened before and i think it's due to the fact that this Void state is now a reality for me !

I had something like 4 or 5 lucid dream in row and each time the Void state acted like an intermission between dreams. Best part is that I could interact with the Void ! I just needed to ask a question and it showed me the answer in the form of a image or a scenario. It really feel like a search engine, you ask and it show. To give an example, I ask the void for a symbol that represents who I was. This might seems like a strange question but I was looking for a symbol that I could engrave on my familly bracelet (a traditional thing in my familly). So the Void showed me a sort of grid carved in the stone. The grid was 4x4 I think, inside of each square I could see some sort of hieroglyph. The Void immediatly highlighted in red 5 symbols that was relevant. I knew that I won't be able to remember all of them so I decided to remember the one at the top of row. I'm googling since this morning to find the symbol but can't find it right know. It was a person on it's knee with arms raised horizontaly and with feather. On left arm was a small human with horn, on the right arm was a geometric figure (i think a cercle). I don't tend to be obsessed over things that I saw in the non-physical but I'm just curious cause I know i've seen it somewhere !

Here is one new element that I have experienced and that might be interesting for everyone :

Even though you are fully conscious, you act differently once in the non-physical. This is something that I did not realise before because I only had « quick » experiences in the non-physical. It's difficult to describe but it feel like you are 95% conscious, sometimes you do stuff that you will never do in physical. You don't overthink an action you just « do » them or rather you « experience » situations or encounter. Only when back in the physical you realise that the state felt exactly like when you are awake but with something missing... in a sense you are more honest with your emotion/action than in the physical reality. Your belief are very similar but with small differences, for example I have discover (more been showned actually) that deep inside I still believe that something is going out of my body when I have an OBE, while in the physical I have stopped believing my soul leave my body long time ago. You are going inside the mind not outside ! Well I guess i really need to convince myself then..

To this day, I don't think I had such a productive access to the non-physical. The craziest thing is that when I finally came back to the physical, I was fresh like if I just had 9 hours of sleep. I checked my phone and only 2 hours have past since I went to bed !! I went back to sleep, thinking there is no way I'll forget all this in the morning, but suddenly the image of the thread appear in front of me and my view focus on the word « journal » from your post. I immediatly woke up and started writing key points on my phone about the experience. So Lumaza, I don't know if this was your Intuition or a coïncidence or maybe just me reading your post before going to sleep but your post triggered one of the most rewarding experience I had in month ! Thank you  

Dogs and especially puppies always reflect and live in the moment. They don't question what is going on. Happy little fellow is showing you the way.

Thank you Nameless, next time I will try to not ask anything and see what the baby dog want to do

I'm just beginning to get better at this part, but I'll take a stab at this one.

See with your mind/mind's eye and not your physical eyes. I like to think of it as like daydreaming or visualizing, focus on the scenario mentally not physically. For me it's a sensation of having my awareness in the center or on top of my head, as soon as it moves to the front(to the eyes) the scenario/image starts to disappear. Hope it makes some kind of sense to you 

I totally can relate to the seeing with your mind instead of your eyes. Everytime I calm my mind enough, my eyes go into a sort of "sleep position" (slighty down) and a few minutes after I'm seeing the images. I dont' really feel like my awareness is in the center or top of my head but I guess this is just the way I interpret things. So my problem while in detached state it's that my eyes activate as soon as I try to do something. If I just let the process do it's thing and try to observe what I can, at some point I end up in the Void. I have a very strong feeling that I can do something in the detached state and instead of waiting just step into one of the very vivid imagery, reducing at the same time the time require to access the non-physical. The question is : what ? I'm rereading all the thread that I used to read back in days. It's crazy how, now that I have experienced how to do it, I can catch important stuff that I was completely missing before. Let me know if you succeed aswell like this I can compare and maybe adapt my process 

Hi Lumaza ! Thank you for your reply and for your insight !

Regarding the night pratice, I'm very interested to know how you were able to change the habit of falling asleep. I'm assuming it's just via pratice/trial and error but maybe there is something more to it ? I am fascinated by the fact that someone is able to achieve a complete night while being conscious. I'm a bit confused however, if you are still aware during all the sleep cycles this means that your body is resting like a regular night and and you should feel fresh at the end of the night ? Or do you feel really tired because your mind has been active all night ? Also do you have a good website/book that you recommend about Tibetan Dream Yoga?

I also would like your advice on a small problem regarding the time it take to access the void. For me the entire process from seating on the couch to entering the void take between 60 to 90 minutes. Because I completely lose sense of time when I am in the detached mode it really feel like I'm doing this for only 30mn but in reality more than one hour has passed.  This is a problem because I cannot always afford 90mn of free time everyday and therefore I can only do it sometimes during the week. So I have decided to see if I could accelerate the process by being a little bit more active during the « detachement State » when the yo-yo effect start. Since the Images/scenario are very vivid, I have tried many times to look at the border of an image or looking for a small detail in the scenario that could allow me to step into it but the images disappear as soon as I try to do something with it. It really feel like I'm disturbing a natural process. As soon as I stop trying to do something, the process resume and the images reappear. I am not entirely sure if there is something that has to be done. Maybe you just have to do it over and over until one day you can do it 20mn ? I know you, Szaxx and many others are able to do it but way quicker than me so i think it's a good idea to ask you directly.

Quick last question : I am not able to stay too long in the non-physical yet, but still long enough to have quick fun experiences. I plan to tackle this problem after having a very good understanding of how the switch from physical to non-physical works. However if I end up in a lucid dream or an OBE type situation while practicing, I try to call on "guides" to see if I can interact with them and also ask more personal questions to them regarding my pratice or my life. Everytime I have called for a guide nothing happened. I have heard that if you don't really need them, they never shows up. Maybe it's true and I don't really need anything or I already have the answer from my question. I am still trying from time to time to call for guides anyway. Only recently has I was calling for a guide to answer a question, a very cute baby dog appear next to me ! "So you are my guide ? How do I know this not just a dream figure ?" The dog is just happy and bark at me. It now appear eveytime I call for a guide, it's fine I love dogs but......I don't know how to communicate it's literally a baby dog barking and being happy   It's the cutest dog I have ever seen so at least it's always a pleasant moment but what am I suppose to do ?

Hello again !

I wanted to give you guys an update on my pratice of accessing non-physical realities. It took me months but I am finally able to understand what was wrong with my pratice and since october I can now do it more or less at will  

Here is what I have discovered from my first post until now :

First, as soon as you calm the mind, the process start. This will probably be old news for a lot of people but when I was praticing at the begining I couldn't figure what exactly start the process, I just knew that if you wait long enough images start to appear in the blackness in front of you. This used to be the most boring part of my routine because it could sometimes take a long time for something to appear. This was until I realised that counting in my head or noticing stuff in the blackness in front of me trigger the start of the process way faster than just waiting. Having a small task/focus will simply calm the thunderstorm of thought I can have while seating in my couch after a long day and as soon as my mind is calm enough the first images in my mind start to appear automatically ! Understanding this has greatly reduce the time it take me to start the process, now I just need 10mn to do it, 15 if It's a bad day. You can use absolutely anything in order to calm the mind : visualization, the breath, counting in your head, noticing, hearing cars in the street, feeling your body and so on..When a thought come you just ignore it and continue on what were doing until something appear (yeah I know I have rediscover meditation ahah). If you are getting bored of counting just switch to something else as long as it's easy. At the begining, I used visualization to calm my mind but for some unknown reasons my body seems to tense (especially my eyes) if I'm not deep enough into the process so I switch to counting in my head and it worked, I could count in my head and being passive and relax at the same time ! The focus/task preference change from person to person, I have ask my friend who pratice as well and he find counting really boring and find visualization way easier for example.

Second, what I used to call "The mini-dream state" back in february is actually the transition from the physical to the non-physical. This strange state is something that start as soon as you calm your mind, random vivid images or scenario start appearing in the blackness in front of you and there is a kind of "yo-yo" effect where one moment your looking the images in a state of stupor and the next moment your back in the physical wondering how long you have been "clicking out". For months I was angry at myself because I was focusing on my task (counting or noticing) and always end up in this weird state thinking that I have failed because I wasn't focus enough or too tired/lazy. This was until last month when I decided to stop trying and let go just to see what could happen. "If I fall asleep at least I'll have good nap" I thought to myself. After a long time of clicking out repeatedly I finally ended up in the Void !! I thought at first that it was just and accident but I could repeat the same process the next day and again the day after ! Most of the time I end up in the void but sometime in a dream or in a OBE-like situation. And then it hit me, this state that I used to think was just me falling asleep (well technically I am) and failling my focus is actually a very detached state similar to sleep ! I was passively observing without even knowing it ! Even thought my awarness is greatly reduce in this state to the point where I have no sense of time or any idea of what I'm suppose to do I can still remember me looking at a scene without commenting or being attached to it and at the end of the process my awarness suddenly rise up and I'm in the Void ready to do whatever I want. Took me long enough but I now understand what it means to let go of the body and the physical reality  

I'm so happy to finally have found a way to do it but since this is all very recent I still have questions regarding the process :

1) Even though I'm able to access the Void or OBE when I want, there are conditions. I can only doing it during daytime in a seated or half lying position ! As soon as I try to do it at night when I'm going to bed, I end up falling asleep for real this time. The process start exactly the same way as during the day except that this time if I let go there is no "yo-yo effect" (maybe 2-3 if I'm lucky) and therefore only a one way ticket to sleep. I came to the conclusion that it's actually my body position during my daytime pratice that allow me to let go and go very deep in the Void, but since I'm lying in my bed at night I kind of loose this natural anchor. Maybe it's just a belief ? I have tried to look for informations on the forum but couldn't find anything. I'm sure it's doable but I can't find a solution to this problem.

2) After all this I still don't understand Sleep Paralysis. Everywhere I look, I see horror stories about monsters, demons and black shadows that attack you when your body is paralyzed. Everytime I access the Void my body is gone yes but it's just in a sort of "sleep mode" and I have access to it at anytime I want. Granted this is all new to me, I went to the Void multiple time and I have never suffered from paralysis or strong hallucinations that scared you to death. I'm just letting go, end up in the detached state and after a certain time boom i'm in the void, that's all really. At what point in the process does people usualy suffer from this ? How come so many people are affected by this phenomenon ? Is this related to a simple belief or a biological problem ?

I have many questions but I will stop here, it's getting late. I'm sorry if this is a bit confusing but it's actually much harder than I thought to describe a process that basically happen in my head and in a foreign language !
But the feeling of stepping into it's own mind and trying to optimize the process is something that I enjoy a lot so it's worth it  

Ahah WOW lumaza I did not expect such a complete answer  , thank you again for your patience and for all the good suggestions !!

You say you are good at the beginning and the end, but not the middle, is this because you "click out"/lose consciousness during the middle?

Yes, I practice 5 to 6 time a week, I have 1 unvolontary access every two weeks or so usualy due to a loss of consciousness. Last one was a few days ago, I was too tired to practice and lost consciousness, I regain consciousness in my room next to my body and I then practice coming back to the physical as slowly as I can to try and grasp the feeling of the transition. It seems so natural and easy when I do non-physical-->physical, but I cannot reproduce the same feeling from physical to non-physical.

I'm using Szaxx "Astral Blueprint"(I am stuck between part 2 and part 3 of the blueprint) and the Frank Kepple ressource as my main source of information because I can relate more easily to what I am reading, so I will allow half of my weekly sessions to experiment and try to mix my "technique" with some of your examples (I will see what I can do with your "Doorway technique" and how I can implement it in relation to my mini-dreams) and the other half just to observe the mini-dreams has you taught/told me earlier.

Lastly we come to "Mindset". This is another important one. It's how we "disassociate" ourselves from our physical body focus. Every time I close my eyes to do a Phase session or even go to sleep, I mentally say "By my act of will I release my focus over my physical body". When I was first new here I was shown via a "NP mentor" that the faster you can disassociate yourself from your physical focus, the faster the shift would occur. I experienced in a number of different ways. One was watching as a bunch of little Pac man like characters ate my physical body away. I saw myself in another as a "outline in chalk", I watched in another how my body just seemed to dissolve while attempting some energy work and in yet another, I purposely "unzipped" my Human suit. Each one of these showed me the importance of ridding that focus as soon as I could. 
I prefer to experience the NP as a simple "point of consciousness". I never look for or at my hands/appendages, but if I find them necessary in some adventure, they will be there!

That's something new to me, I am not sure how this work but I guess I will only know by trying 

Also thank you Szaxx for the tip, as you can see I am a big fan of your work  , I wanted to ask you a question regarding an old post of yours from 2013 :

Being passive is a major key to success. If your awareness is easily kept and you can get to the stage where you have no connection with the physical, a method of exit where you keep that state of  visualisations aka mini-dreams repeating, you can use this to exit on command. You are capable of creating the scene with all the synchronous noises within a couple of seconds and it seemingly enters you. Many other methods feel like you are entering the scene already created by who/whatever.
I'm still perfecting this and it's a little slow to develop. It works every time once the particulars have been met. A balance of sleep is required, not too much and not to little.
Once rested and aware it occurs as in the link provided at the very first mini-dream. I can get to that state within a minuit or two easily.
I have had decades of experiences so that may be cheating a little lol.
Your method is working well, a little fine tuning is required.
I'd guess your problem is jumping in to the scene too soon. I went through that trying to control everything. It fails every time. I stopped and let things just happen and everything fell into place. In the 80's Id go oob during lunchbreak at work. I had total control of everything including how much our time elapsed before it ceased. This was easily attained once familiar with dissassociation from the physical. Master this and the astral will become an immense playground.

I did not follow all your posting from that era until now but how good is your art of switching to non-physical today ? I'm just been curious as been able to do it in less than 5mn is one of my goal yet seems so far away from where I stand.

Or more specifically, learning how to do it from begining to the end consciously.

Let's just say i'm very good at the begining part (a sort of mini-dream state) and I have some experience of the end (unvolontary acces to non-physical from time to time), but the middle part is what's missing for me wich is, I think, what everyone is strungling with.

More recently, it has been my belief that practicing alone is now counter-productive and that I should interact more with people who practice in order to have a better understanding of some concept or maybe a different view point that can show me new way of thinking.

I have follow your advice Lumaza about "applying more patience to the process", wich make sense when you think about it. I have increase my session length and try to let the mini-dreams come and go. I just had 3 sessions so it's a bit early to judge but I have realize that each access to the mini-dream make me less and less aware of my physical body. It feel like the process of switching to non-physical realities really need me out of the way for a few seconds in order to prepare my body for the experience (or sleep if I fail), and it is doing it bit by bit at its own pace. Wich leads me to some questions to Lumaza when you say

it won't always be like that though. Nowadays, I can jump in and hone onto my first visual. But that came through a lot of trial and error. I learned to completely "hone in" on them now. That seems to be the name of the game in this practice. Learning how to passively observe is a skill that is very important with this practice.

How do you "hone" a visual and does it help you accelerate the process by doing so ? For me, I don't control the length of time it take to start the process or the length of time between mini-dreams or anything else actually. It can be very fast or increadibly slow like my last session where I spent 1h30 in the mini-dreams, it felt like only 30mn has passed and I had to stop it cause I had to take care of other stuff. Last week, only a 40mn to spare for a session and I was deep inside a scene in what feel like 15mn or so. It really depend on my mood I think, but I would like to know if you can have more control over it ?

For those of you reading this and are interested to try, you just have to seat or lie in your couch/bed/sofa it doesn't matter, and let your awareness wander where it wants to, like when you are taking a nap or when you go to sleep.
At some point you will see that you are naturally captivated by some thoughts or images, it will feel like you lost yourself in your own mind for a few seconds, this is the "mini-dream state" as I call it.
Observe the thoughts/images come and go, you will be captivated by what you see for 3-4 seconds and then you will come back to where you seat/lie.
You will have a tendency to look at it but whatever you were looking at will disapear, until the next one come up and it will feel like you playing on a seesaw or "yo-yo" with your body, few seconds in the image, 1 or 2 minutes in the body and so on.
If that's the case, well you reach my level, it's really not that hard to reach but it's the "balancing act" that come after that is an unknown to me.

Thank you all for your warm welcome and for the advice  

I will follow your advise and let you know how it went, it's funny because knowing it's all that it take to access Non-Physical realities raises many questions, what about focus10/point consciousness/energy work and all that? It does not seems relevant in this case but I guess it's probably a misunderstanding in my part. Anyway I'll probably start a new thread, I don't want to hijack soki's thread!

Hello Soki,

I have been lurking this forum for a while now, and since I am at the same point as you maybe I will contribute a bit to see if it open new path for me.

Like you, it is very easy for me to induce the mini-dreams, i can do it anywhere, at home or outside just by doing....nothing, I just let my awaraness go where it want to go and end up in the mini-dream state. It's so natural it's not even fair to call it a technique so my guess is that you won't find anything better to go phasing/Out of Body/lucid dream.

Now I am saying that but my problem is that i'm doing some kind of "Yoyo" with these mini-dreams and that's it. They feel very physical and real but as soon as I try to do something with... it disappear and I'm back in the physical, 30 secondes later i'm viewing another dream or image, i try to be very gentle with it and it disappear and I'm back, again and again. So it's like i'm in front of the door of Non-Physical but there is a concept that i'm missing here. I have read Frank kepple post maybe 200 times to see if i am missing something, so far nothing new.

This is either a problem of : 1) I should continue let go and thrust that I will not fall asleep or 2) I should just keep viewing the mini-dreams until something happens or 3) I was already in the non-physical I just did not know

Number 3 came to me recently when I was reading people saying that they just "stand up" once they reach a certain stage of hypnagogia also confirm by DarknChildlike, this is very hard for me to understand since i'm one of those who does not have a lot of exit symptoms (never experience SP or voices but had many involuntary experience of the non-physical)

I will experiment a bit and try to let you know if i have good result.


(Please apologize for my english, it's not my mother tongue and I really need to practice more)