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I have experienced travelling to the moon/or mars (cant tell, really) in an astral projection, all I can tell you is how I experienced it.

I first thought of this idea because of another astral projection I had, when I looked at a planet/moon? in the sky and felt a really powerful draw towards it, it actually pulled me off the ground and I wasn't ready to go that high, so I grabbed a tree to stop from being pulled in... anyways, later I faced my fear with a direct attempt to get there, wasnt sure how to do it, but i tried

In another astral projection, I stared at the mystery planet in the sky, and let it pull me in, as I remember, it was very tough for me to get there. I found myself in more of an energetic form, seeing the planet more as a ball of purple/red light, and I really had to focus hard to get myself within that energy ball (i seemed to be floating around pretty randomly). Once I managed to fly into the energy of the planet, I found myself falling (vertigo and all) for about 5 seconds, then I was located in a strange room with a display of rocks and posters of (what appeared to be) mars on the wall... (maybe i was on mars, i duno). I never walked outside, I was too distracted by touching and feeling the texture of all the rocks in this nice little display room.... hahaha... just seemed more needed at the time, as I am always struggling to find some feeling or normality when i'm projecting. Touching rocks was great for that. Haven't tried again since then, but i will eventually.

When in an OBE or lucid dream, try focusing on Elohim (referencing this in Plural)... The trick is, you have to really listen and focus. Don't be disappointed if your guide doesn't appear right away, they tend to like when you spend time focusing on him/her for a bit first... get to know this person, they will be important to your adventure. The first time I met mine that way, she sung me a song... it was amazing. And she's always there to guide me now, but she still requires I meditate (in dream) for a few moments before she appears. Just some advice. Only based on my own experience. I'm sure there are lots of ways to meet guides. Also, once you start projecting more, there will usually be humans/entities around. They are everywhere!!!

I've noticed that in my OBEs, once you leave your room, there are obvious differences from what you'd normally see, and the reality seems to change almost every time. There is always something different looking, whether its the layout of the house, etc. I have also noticed a sort of distortion when I pass thru walls as well. I am interested in how you are passing thru walls, because in my experience, the act of passing thru a wall will automatically put your spirit body in 3D (floating effects)... But when in 3D body, things can get a bit distorted, for sure. I doubt this is uncommon. Teleporting is definitely your best option, passing thru walls takes a lot of energy, as well... might as well stock up on that and just teleport. Good suggestion!

Ok, that IS pretty funny....

So, you OBE'd into the physical spirit-body and slammed yourself into a wall.... Hillarious.....

Physical spirit-body is what you usually end up in when you roll out, which is why you hit the wall so hard... lol.... Because the physical spirit has difficulty passing thru objects. You need to engage your 3D body to do that effectively.

That's interesting, it really does sound like an OBE to me, especially since you travelled to a place with your friends name on it. In OBEs, the appearance of buildings (in my experience) doesn't always look exactly the same (especially when you go outside). So, I have a small idea that you were actually successful, just confused when you didn't see what you expected.

Yes, don't fall asleep. Meditation is key when you have the vibrations. Focusing on breathing would be a great idea. Breath deep, sometimes with each breath you'll start to feel more and more floaty. Just because you feel parts of your body floating, you might not be separated. One you have the floating feeling, you could choose to focus on a location of your choice.... and keep breathing, keep focusing.. eventually, after a few attempts i'm sure you should just pop out. That's how it works for me anyways. Once the vibrations pass, as long as I have a strong focus and dont fall asleep, I get an OBE. Focusing on a specific location you want to visit should be enough to initiate it. But, there are other options available, for sure if this doesn't work, but I see no real reason for it not to work, sounds like you're doing it properly, I think you're so close... Keep trying. You said "very" relaxed, so maybe you were too relaxed as well.

Hello
I am new to this but i Just wanted to share my experience and get some feed back from other if hey have had similar experiences or have any comments about my OBE. I have always been curious about astral projection and upon leaning what it was I tried several times to do it. I was never really successfull. However last night before I went to bed I had a brief thought that I wanted to astral project a few minutes later I went to to sleep. I must have been asleep for hours when my step dad came in from work (we works night shift and get back around 2 in the morning) so anyway I never physically woke up but conciously I could hear noise that he was making upstairs. It sounded like he was watching a movie. So anyway I remember thinking that I wish he would turn it off then all of a sudden i realized i could see but my eyes were not physically open. I then realized that my body was asleep but conciously I was awake and instantlly without even thinking about it I felt like I was floating.

I immediately tried to sit up but I was still floating. I saw a doll that was cshaped like a baby float towards my face. I was so scared and I remember thinkng omg im astral projecting! So I tried to scream at the doll and tell it to get away but no sound would escape my lips it just sounded like air as I tried to talk.So I thought in my head"Get away!" and the doll dissapeared. I got out of my bed and felt like I was floating i was scared to look back at my bed but did so anyway and saw a lump sdunderneath the sheets which i Knew was me and i was petrified. i floated into my living room and remember feeling scared but somehow full of love and peace. I walked inf

I can't help but snicker at how petrified you were, but i'm also impressed by the fact that your fear didn't just shoot you back into your body right away.... good work.... You might have felt scared, but it seems you have some control over it, which is great, because you need that ability to advance. Scared or not, I bet you thought that was a pretty real experience... Eye-opening, if anything. Happy for you. If this was your first OBE, and you were able to control your movement enough to get into another room, instead of floating around randomly, I am also double impressed.

Sounds like you switched to third eye vision... that'd give the illusion of suddenly looking forward when really you're just changing your metaphysical vantage point. You are in fact close.

Yes, third eye vision... but possibly hypnagogic as well. But, these things are pretty related in my opinion. Hopefully your third eye stays open for prolonged periods of time, it really helps for meditation and projection.

When you say your movement was based on thoughtforms, were you floating?

Your dog will come to you... I can guarantee it. Animals are very attached, and I have been able to talk to some... so I wish you luck with that! They do understand your language, as any animal lover usually talks to their dogs constantly. They understand you. Im sure they wish they could talk back. Astrally, that is your chance for very intimate communication.

1) Trying to stop yourself from having thoughts is really hard, and not necessary for projection. You can still have thoughts, they actually help as long as they are relaxing you. A whole lot of thought is used in visualization meditation, and it works great.

2) I also experience a jolt of my limbs and head at times... and I am not sure if this is helpful at all, because it usually startles me and really messes things up, i'm just glad it doesn't happen often. Actually, even more happy now because I just remembered when I used to wake up to punching myself in the face with my spirit arm (no i didn't do it on purpose)... lol, I thought I broke my nose once, then realized I actually didn't punch myself physically.

3) The falling sensation in my understanding is a pre-experience leading up to an OBE. If you feel falling, let it pass, and I am confident that an intimate OBE will occur once your balanced again as long as it's initiated properly and you're not scared of falling.

And most important of all...

Someone can correct me if i'm wrong on this, but you should never try to separate during the vibrational stage. You'll usually just end up in sleep paralysis or something uncomfortable like that. The vibrations need to pass first, before you try to exit. If you get vibrations, relax, breathe deep, meditate, and they will increase in intensity. It might be hard to relax at first because vibrations can be overwhelming at times, u just got to get used to them. If you have vibrations, you're probably moments away from the point of exit, so just relax and let it happen on its own, dont force it.

Well the lifting or floating of the body is actually an OBE. I am surprised that the experience didn't move past that... It is possible that by trying to call a guide, you actually inhibited the experience from happening in full effect. Try not to depend on guides to "pull you out" as that rarely happens, it is up to you to do things properly that work for you and depend on that, just know you can do it on your own. Just relax about it, and breathe deep, and meditate.

As far as contacting guides, you might actually have to project before you'll gain the benefits of that... Also, if your guide(s) havent come to you yet, I am unsure if you will be able to initiate first contact. Trying to do that without first having a connection will probably just manifest a being (still conscious), which could still be helpful. I just have a problem with the whole "guide" thing because every human that has ever come to me in my OBEs and truely helped me, I automatically assume is a guide and if that's true then I must have like a zillion of them now. I am also confused as to who is and isn't a guide, as they are all human-like. I used to assume my "dead" relatives and friends to be guides, and I guess they are in a sense.

I at one point was very interested in seeking a true guide, as I was unsure of how to determine who was a guide and whether this was actually a true spiritual connection to someone who is there to help you, always. I have doubts about this, because most of my guides (who were once strangers to me) seem to lose interest in me. But I guess that's because I'm not learning fast enough for them or something. My problem, once again. But there is always another way...

I was never a believer in goddesses until this specific experience where I really, really wanted a guide. At this point, I was learning how to manifest a cell phone in my pockets, which I would pick out, and place by my ear. I found that by doing this, I could clearly hear the person I was trying to contact, whether a friend or family, whomever. It got really profound to me, when I suddenly decided to contact this "god" character I heard so much about. I don't know how I connected to this person, but I just thought of the word God and tried to talk to God on the phone. Much to my surprise, a woman answered quite excitedly and shouted my name like she hadent talked to me in a while (infact, never) and this woman did eventually appear to me and introduce herself as Kelly, so that could be one way to find a guide, which has some sort of fantastic nature, rather then people you meet randomly or know as deceased. I also noticed that Kelly eventually stopped answering me. I then decided to contact "God" again on the phone, because that was the only way I was getting a response, and a different woman answered. They changed up on me, I found this wierd... she was much younger and her name was Angela, she appeared eventually, and that's all I have to say about that.

I am at a loss when understanding the healing effects, my mother has experienced similar healing, more specifically by animals. It is interesting to me for sure. I know even less about chakra work, or how that effects the OBEs, as I have done litterally nothing in regards to that, and still have the experiences regularly. The fact you've done it before means you will probably do it again, since it is part of your nature... Sometimes these things happen in natural cycles (large and small) so I am confident you will rebalance and experience it again. You really just have to set your mind to it, and set the intent constantly. Always stay aware, and really work on your meditations as soon as you wake up, that is usually the best time to do it. Try to increase your awareness during the stages of falling asleep, this should help reintegrate you with more vibrations which you will need to start experiencing (again?) in order to get it to work for you again. And as a believer in god, and I will assume the power of prayer, you should do that as well... For a believer it is has very powerful affects on the consciousness. I like to think I'm helping, but I am not a great teacher and am not really trying to come across that way, but all I can do is share my experience and hope that it contributes to your success.

It's nice to hear you've moved past your belief that such a natural thing would be against god, if anything it brings you closer to understanding the nature of life, which is what god should want, right?

Do not worry that you've ticked off the spirits, and that they will not have you back. I can honestly say I've ticked off more humans in my OBEs then most normal people would dare to... lol... this is a fact, yet I can still project. Actually, if you tick them off, they will probably want you to project so they can tell you off...

Visualizations are great for meditation, I say it this way because I see energy flowing in colors around me constantly during my waking life. I have adapted these flowing energies and have been able to manipulate and shape the energy, and even project my own being into the visualization with full control, but its a bit hard to explain how it works for me. But visualization can definitely induce vibrations, which are necessary for the experience, so definitely keep working on that. Make sure your visualizations make you as comfortable and relaxed as possible. Also make sure they are engaging enough and sort of automatic, so that you occupy your mind, but don't overwhelm the process of actually trying to relax, it should be a nice balance.

About your phase method, i'm not saying that any technique is inherently bad (unless it doesn't work), which I kind of am getting from your post. So, maybe just stick with your visualizations, make them more comfortable as suggested... and try a new phase method. My best suggestion for phasing (seems to be a popular word around here) is just simply controled, slow, relaxed breathing, with a mixture of subtle visualization. You should just pop out... I say it like it's easy, but with practise it will work for you... I am confident you will be able to do your duty again... (well that sounded awkward).... And yes, it is your right to project.

It's interesting to me that you have such sensations... I am repeatedly reading your post to try and understand what you're feeling. For me the vibrations sound like a pulse of electricity (I feel it in my head and hear it), repeating and lengthening as I meditate. I'm not sure if I have much to say about this, but I am really interested in the sensations other people get, especially when they are described and I cannot relate... everyone is so unique, and I think it's great we can connect on this level. If I can't relate, there is definitely something I should learn from you. and CFTraveler who seems very in touch and informative. I haven't been here long, obviously... but i'm loving these threads!! So much! Geez, my Astral Energy is only 1.... I thought it would have been like a million by now..... Where is all this practise getting me? (J/k)

It's possible that this energy being is actually trying to help you project, which is why you might feel it so strongly. It could also be a family member, as I have on occasion been litterally pulled out backwards by the legs by family members during my meditation, before I even knew I was separated. You seem to sense a different energy than me, I guess thats why I'm so fascinated by this... The whole blood rushing thing seems incredibly sensitive... I have had feelings of static energy thru my body, and sometimes I feel my organs and heart really intensly, but never blood (yet).

When you go higher in the LD realm (whether it's flying or walking up a set of stairs), you usually do get more aware, and the experience can quickly change in profound ways. Also, looking in a mirror can definitely trigger highered conscious awareness of the experience. Sometimes the dream will seem to melt away, and you will find yourself in a space where you can actually see and hear (and sence) a lot better. If you naturally project to a more hypnotized (or confused/cloudy) sort of LD, the mirror will definitely come in handy. It will (for beginners mostly) have a profound affect on the "frequency" you're adjusted to. You might (This is sort of an assumption based on my beginning experiences, but I'm full of those) actually adjust your natural frequency to a more aware state by practising this, eventually when you start projecting higher naturally, the assistance of a mirror will become less effective as you can only get so aware it seems. Just the fact that you begin looking for a mirror, one will usually manifest around you somewhere in the room, you just have to look. Also, if you're really interested in some fun, try looking in the mirror and changing your appearance... that is fun! I guess this is a bit off topic, as using the mirror is only a way to increase awareness, not really induce a true OBE as far as I have understood.

I have been called on a few times, and this always catches me off guard... Sometimes strangers call my name when they see me, other times I just start hearing a womans voice, usually suggesting I talk to someone (they worry about me, apparently). I tend to ignore people sometimes, but on multiple occasions I've questioned how in the world these strangers knew my name.... and even more wierd to me is the kind of information they knew about me, such as my hobbies and interests, even address, birthdate and more. I have a slight belief that the ones that call you out, should probably at least be given a few moments to say what they have to say before you run off and do your own thing. It might just get you thinking a little more about what you're experiencing and how real it can be (or IS, maybe)... By calling you out, they are in a way connecting themselves to you (consider their intent in doing this), so whether you want to pay attention or not is up to you and how many people you feel like being connected to in that experience, it's very personal and can get VERY overwhelming. Especially considering how easily you can get attached to an entity, usually just by making eye contact and engaging a memory of them. They usually come back again whether you want them to or not... This is why I want to make a point that when OBEing, you might not always want to go wandering or be social (I tend to be very social in my OBEs) and this has overwhelmed me quite a bit, but you have to live with your own actions and decisions, especially in the OBE experience... I mean, this is your consciousness, after all... treat it well.

Also note, it is nearly impossible not to get connected to entities in your OBEs, often times, there is going to be someone right beside you when you pop out... You are infact, going to them, as they are coming to you. Just don't be surprised that if you "roll out" that you're going to be facing an entity who was waiting for you to see them (they often just seem to know when it's happening to you, and they will rush to get to you first). I am not trying to be scary, just informative... Usually when you are about to OBE, you will (if anyone is with you) hear them in the room before they let you see them, the ones that let you hear them are normally the nice ones who are there to help you, and by help I mean either give you information, talk to you, comfort you, protect you, any number of things. They are usually very attractive people (in my case, women). If you DON'T hear anyone in the room before you pop out, and have experienced entities "hiding" in your room, they are not the friendly ones and I suggest you go 3D ASAP (or do it initially to scope out the room before you go physical.) Just a suggestion.... Anyone who reads my posts will quickly understand that YES I am slightly paranoid about my experiences, but I am honest about them as well. I just hope that my experiences will help someone (anyone) when faced with certain circumstances that might be difficult to mentally handle in OBE experiences, sometimes avoidance is needed.... Also protecting yourself in as many ways as possible. If you guys are willing to read, i'm willing to write, because I have a LOT to say about OBEs. If I say something alarming, it's only when I have a nice suggestion on how to handle the situation. And, I tend to go off topic because everything is just pooring out of me lately.

I am amazed that someone is just as baffled by that question as I have been recently. Now, when I say "true" entities, that is just my spiritual opinion on the nature of the OBE... it does assume a few things that not everyone will agree with or understand (can anyone, really understand this stuff, concretely?)... everyones experiences seem so unique and personal. I've lately been questioning the nature of my OBEs, whether everything is infact a subconscious manifestation, or whether it is a mixture of spiritual realms which actually exist. Like you, I have a million questions, and with all of the ideas and crazy things (understatement) I've seen, especially in recent experience I am pretty easily distracted when my OBEs happens... and I must say, it's been happening to me a LOT, almost every night I have astral-like experiences. I will say I have a true OBEs in natural cycles it seems. I can feel and see my energy, especially at night... it is impossible for me to ignore, it's like purple, blue, red energy right in my vision... I started seeing energy probably about 3 or 4 years ago. I pretty much know exactly when it is optimal for me to meditate and work on transcending. Anyways, I'm getting off topic, but I think it's because I really haven't the slightest idea how to tell the difference between manifestations and conscious beings - this is SUCH a great question. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that I must, for my own spiritual growth, assume that every entity (manifested or not) has some level of consciousness, whether it's connected to the actual person you're perceiving, or all consciousness in general (probably a better lesson i've learned)...

I would listen to Astral316 - Breathing and relaxation is for sure the best technique I have ever used. You should be able to just pop out, without having to move anything. It is much better to induce an OBE without moving for many reasons. By moving, you could wake yourself up, and this whole idea of a "rope" suddenly being there for you to grab sounds to me like a suggestion from someone who is good at manifesting objects. The fact that you're trying to use movement to induce the OBE means the following...

1) When/if successful, you will be entering the physical spirit-body. You should be aware of the limits and nature of this body.
2) Rope technique clearly is not the best technique ever, because for that to work, (i might be wrong about this) but you will have to manifest an actual rope, which for anyone without experience sounds like an impossibility.

If you are really interested in experiencing the physical nature of an OBE, just try rolling out... even just sit up. Seriously, it is actually really simple as long as your timing is right and you know how your body is working and which wake/sleep stage to try such a thing. Which is why I asked you so many questions....

Good read, and I can relate to much of it. I can usually distinguish either body by how I naturally leave my house... run down the stairs and out the front door with the physical, or shoot out my window over my neighborhood with the 3D. I find switching between the two in a given experience is beneficial... 3D is great for flying and the viewing of general landscapes but physical seems more opportunistic for interaction with entities/objects.

I am happy someone can relate, that makes me feel less crazy.... lol... anyways, I'm curious because you're obviously experienced, about how you change bodies during the actual experience.

For me, if I am in physical, I close my eyes and attempt to float thru something. My vision disappears for a while, but quickly comes back as long as I don't try to force my eyes back open. Vision just sort of fades back in and I can see, and float in my 3D body, feeling totally untouchable. I believe once you are successful in passing thru an object, you are very likely in your 3D body. Staying like that takes effort not to try and interact physically with anything.

If I am in 3D, I literally just go close to to an object and try to interact with it, and find that I am pretty quickly back into physical form.

How about you?

It's very interesting to me that you mention being surrounded in bare etheric surroundings, as I have had that happen before when trying to increase my awareness in an LD. So I think you're definitely on to something here.... I also edited my last post with another suggestion that I was thinking about which may help you as well....

I've been a lucid dreamer for most of my life. Originally I found the idea of moving from LD to OBE quite attractive. Later in my life, I started having true OBE experiences, which is the physical experience of separating from your body, rather than just becoming randomly lucid. I am very very tempted to say that to go from LD to a true OBE would be very very difficult to initiate consciously, unless someone can really explain to me how in the heck that could possibly work... I have no reference for this potential so I am unsure.

What I do know, is that during an LD there are varying levels of awareness. I always refer to lucidity as a position on a spectrum, as you practise your awareness during an LD (no longer behaving automatically/conditioned/hypnotised) you can infact increase your astral experience, and experience much more realistic dreamscapes. So, I believe that it is possible, once you start working on having actual OBEs, that your lucid dreams will naturally focus on the more realistic OBE-like experiences, and I have also noticed that the LDs that I now have are very OBE-like (using the physical spirit-body) and being projected automatically to places very important to my development as a child... but I definitely didn't do this on purpose, it just seemed to happen. Sorry if that was no help.... uhhh!! But don't give up on this idea, as it seems very possible!! I am just unsure how to do it consciously.

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The more I think about this, the more possible it seems to actually induce. Here is my reasoning....

An OBE is the physical experience of being mind awake body awake, to mind awake body asleep, and physically experiencing the separation from your body. If you are in an LD, you have already avoided this possibility by falling asleep, the fact that you are dreaming indicates this. So to OBE from an LD, technically, you would have to slighly waken yourself up (hopefully not to quickly or too much) and try and catch yourself waking up, so that you can get into a vibrational state. Once in the vibrational state, you can induce the OBE. I have noticed often that when I wake up from an OBE/LD, I am instantly in a vibrational state, so this sounds very possible, you just need to wake up as gently as you can, as to not excite yourself too much and destroy any potential for vibrations you might get when you are awake. When you wake yourself up from the LD, remember to meditate strongly.... then I can see this working for you.

I often had trouble passing thru walls, but found no real problem passing thru windows. But you must understand, this is because you are exiting into your physical spirit-body, which is why you are limited by the natural physics of the reality you just entered. My solution to this problem was by closing my spirit eyes first, then try walking/floating thru the wall. If you can't see anything when you close your eyes, don't worry, just pass thru the wall and keep your eyes closed (don't force your eyes to open, you will probably awaken yourself) instead, just be patient and your vision will fade back in, without having to wait too long. That's the best advice I can give, but I suggest you read my latest post about the two types of bodies you can enter and give that some consideration.

It is just my experience, but closing your spirit eyes in the physical spirit-body does/should engage your 3D body and allow you to pass thru once seemingly concrete objects like walls. I only recently learned this, give it a shot and let me know your success.

I see people who are alive and well all of the time. You can easily manifest people you are close to, and it might happen to you naturally. Many true entities "living" on the other side have shown me their abilities to manifest human-types as well, right in front of me. Also, I have succeeded in manifesting certain people who I knew were alive, and they acted very lively... Just something to think about. When you manifest something, they can seem conscious and talk with you... I would not underestimate that connection, whether it is your own subconscious manifesting the converstations with them, or whether you are actually communicating with their subconscious... the answer is up for grabs, just something to think about.

I am familiar with the rope technique.... but to help you I'd first need to know how you are applying it.... Like, what stage of transcendence are you using it? What feelings are you getting? What is it that leads you to determine it to be a failure (other then not having an OBE, obviously)?