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kajaLove, perhaps you've heard of a test projectors make to check if their projections are real. You take a card from a deck, you don't look at it, and you put it somewhere where you won't be able to see it (on top of a wardrobe would do). When you have a projection, you take a look at the card and when you return you check if it's the same card.
It worked for me. I tried once, and succeeded. I used a book instead of a deck, but it doesn't really matter.
Sometimes the card isn't the same. That is possible because of the reality fluctuations in the real time zone, because of one's expectations which might have changed the card, or because someone really wasn't having a projection but a lucid dream (or something else).
This test got me convinced.

Hi! Something weird happened to me yesterday before I went to sleep. I didn't know where to post it, but I suppose here is fine.

I was lying in my bed, waiting for a message to arrive at my cell phone. I silenced it so that it doesn't wake my room mates. I was tired so I closed my eyes, because I expected that I would be able to see it light on through my closed eye lids. I wasn't just expecting the message, I was absolutely sure that it will arrive in a few seconds. I saw very bright light through my eye lids. I thought that the message had arrived, but when I opened my eyes, I saw that it didn't.

I just read Mary Sparrowdancer's book 'The Love Song of the Universe'. In it, I read that Mary put some stones under her pillow one night, and because of those stones she had an extraordinary the following night. I have a few stones of my own, and so I decided to place them under my pillow, just to see if it would have any effect. I couldn't sleep, so I started playing a game with my thoughts. I imagined that  those stones under my pillow were really magical and that they had the ability to heal me. I imagined that there were rays of light coming from the stones and going through my body. I soon discovered that this type of action stimulated my energy body, because I was trying to feel the rays with my body. I liked it so I continued doing it. I thought that it would perhaps be more efficient if the stones were on my chest, because then rays would spread throughout my whole body more easily. I didn't move the stones to my chest, I just imagined that they were now placed on my chest. I slowly stimulated my body with my imagined rays of light, starting from my feet. When they reached my head, I once again saw very bright light behind my closed eye lids. There were white rays of light coming from a bright violet source. I changed my eye focus to the source of the light, and then it all disappeared instantly. I have somehow seen those imagined rays of light. Does anybody know what happened to me or did anyone have any similar experiences?

I had no extraordinary experiences the following night caused by the stones...

Hey, everyone!

I want to know a transcendental meditation technique. I've searched for it on the internet, and I've found some online books, and lots of information, but it's all useless. They all just talk about how much transcenedental meditation helped them in their lives, they talk about what does it do and what are the benefits etc. But nobody ever said how to do it! No technique availavle at all. So I hope that someone could tell me how to do it.

I just know it's supposed to increase your intelligence, creativity, health, energy happiness etc.

I would really appreciate if someone could tell me something more.

Hy, everyone!

I was just wandering if any of you has ever remembered something from a dream that doesn't really exist. For example, you talked with a friend in your dream, and it felt like you've known him for all eternity, but when you wake up, you realise you don't know the guy and you've never seen him. That happens quite often to me. But it can get much deeper. I'll tell you about my experience.

I was having a normal dream, not a lucid dream. In that dream I had many nonexisting friends, a nonexisting mother and a totally nonexisting life. I talked about a movie with one of those friends and I was thinking 'Yeah, I know that movie.' I remembered the story, and even some details. (The movie doesn't exist.) That and a few other things are all I can remember from that dream, but at the time, I knew everything about that 'life' (ofcourse). Then I did a reality check. Memories of my real life started flooding my mind. I didn't want to accept them. I was very attached to my nonexisting life. I felt like I knew those people from a dream for many years, I even loved some of them. It felt very, very weird. I was shocked. It was a nightmare. I suddenly realised that all the people I knew didn't exist. I wanted my false life back, because I could feel it slipping away. I woke up. It was too big shock for me. At the time I woke up, I still didn't want to accept that this was reality. I knew this was real, but it was very confuzing. It's not like that life was any better than the real one, but it hurt to lose all those people from my dream life. By the end of the day I forgot most of my dream life, mostly because I wanted not to remember. It was exactly like waking up from the matrix.

Have any of you had any similar experiences?

For those who didn't, just imagine that you are sleeping now, and it all ain't real. And when you wake up, you will realise that all the years you spent here weren't real and that they all happened in only one night. That life will soon be replaced by a new one. Wouldn't you try to fight to keep all that you accomplished in your life?

Yo!

Whenever I do energy work I feel no sensations in my shins or thighs. Especially in the middle of them. Sometimes I get vague sensations, but it's just an inch above and under a knee.

Whenever I draw energy, I don't draw it through the whole of my legs. It goes more like feet-knees-hips->storage center. Same thing with my arms: hands-elbows-shoulders.

It seems that I successfully draw energy into my sub-navel storage center, but it think it would be more accurate if I could lead energy through whole of my arms and legs. I think the reason why I don't fell those parts is because there are only a few secondary center there. In that case, other people should feel no sensations (or only weak sensations) there as well.

Anyone knows a way to strenghten sensations in those areas?

Since I first started studying lucid dream, I wondered if it is possible to make another person lucid. I was even more interested because of the way I got lucid for the first time. I'll tell you about it:

I am walking through a street. I am not lucid yet. I notice a planet in the sky and decide to visit it. I start flying and land on it on a meadow. In the distance I see a ramp and a hut next to it. The ramp is in the middle of the meadow so anyone can just pass by it and it is completely useless, it doesn't guard anything. I decide to go there. A woman comes out of the hut. We have a conversation.
"Why is that ramp here?", I ask.
"To keep the bad guys out.", she says.
"Am I the bad guy?"
"No. I've been waiting for you for a long time."
Then the ramp lifts.
"You can pass."
I start to walk but she stops me and says:
"You are dreaming."
Then I realised I was dreaming. I got quite excited but I didn't wake up. I had a sudden wish to go away and do whatever I want now that I realised I'm dreaming, but the woman told me:
"Don't go away now, you have to pass."
And I pass. The meadow vanishes, and a new scenario appears...

Much more had happened after I passed through, but I won't tell it now. The point of that dream is - I didn't achieve lucidity by myself, that woman made me lucid. And I think she is actually a living person here in the physical.

A few months ago, I had a dream in which I was in my friend's room when I achieved lucidity. He was there so I told him he was dreaming. He had an expression on his face that showed he had suddenly realised something important. I really enjoyed that face. He started looking around like he was trying to see if what I said is true. He flew out of the window, totally ignoring me. Can't say I blame him, he was very excited.

The next day I asked him if he had that dream. He said he doesn't remember it, but he vaguely remembers being in his room. That doesn't prove anything...

Yesterday I had another dream in which I made my physics professor lucid. At first she said it's impossible, but then she accepted it and made a face just like my friend. She wasn't as excited as him, though. She asked me what she can do now that she's lucid and some other things. I didn't ask her if she remembers yet, because I have no way of contacting her.

My opinion is that it is possible to make another person lucid, which also means mutual dreams are possible. And faces of my friend and professor were sooo realistic that it's hard for me to believe it wasn't real. That also leads me to a conclusion that dreams aren't created in our heads, since other people have them too. What do you think?

Does anyone here play D&D?

Are you usually the DM or a player?
What's your favorite class?
What's your favorite race?
Have you been in any interesting situations? Please, share!
What's your campaign about?
How long have you been playing?

I'm almost always the DM. I LOOOVE monks! My favorite race is Aasimar. Me and the rest of the party are playing the same campaign for over a year now. They are currently at 9th level.

2 days ago, before I slept, I told myself this a few times:
"The next thing I see after I close my eyes should be my room. If it isn't, I'm dreaming."
It worked 2 times out of 2.
The interesting thing is that as soon as the dream started, I became lucid. That was because I remembered my affirmation and as soon as I could see, I realised it was a dream.
Try it!

Anyone else knows a good affirmation?

Hi, everyone!

This morning I had my first OBE after about 6 months of trying. I've been waiting for this for a long time and I'm very excited right now. I would have succeeded a long time ago if it wasn't for that awful pain in my back every time the vibraions started. I posted a topic about that:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12519
Nobody replied... [!]
Somehow, my back just didn't hurt this morning.

This is my experience:
I woke up at 5 o'clock and decided to stay in bed for a little more. I was lying on my side. Vibrations started. I thought I was about to have a lucid dream projection, as usual. I imagined the place where I would like to project - some snowy mountains. The vibrations stopped. Everything around me was dark for about 10 seconds. Then, my room started to form around me. I was very suprised to find myself there, instead of the place I imagined. I realised at that moment that I was in the real-time zone. I remembered RB's warnings about staying out of body for too long. He says that it may couse me not remembering it. I ignored his warning, and it turned out just fine – i remember everything perfectly! [] My decision made me think about how many times I already was out of body, but not remembering it afterwards. I flew out of my house through a window. I spent some time getting through the glass. I could feel it's texture. It was night outside. My street looked exactly like the real one. I landed down. Some blue haired guy approached me and congratulated me for leaving my body. I said thanks. He went away. Some hot chick went by. I suppresed my sexual urge knowing that it might ruin everyting. It was dawning now. I flew up in the air at great speed and down to the Earth again. I landed in a desert. There was a girl levitating around. She was looking very wise. I came to her and asked her if there were some other people here. She told me that there were, and that she will lead me to them. I followed her. We got to a marketplace. It was day now. I took some chocolate from one stand. I ate it. It tasted like real chocolate. I asked the trader if he had a wife. He answered that he didn't because a wife would occupy him a lot, and he needs his own time. I flew up in the air once again and went around the desert. Then I once again saw a hot chick on the ground. I came to her and kissed her. I could feel her perfectly. I decided to go away, suppresing my sexual urge again. Sexual urge seems to be much more powerful when I'm out of body. It's very irritating. I flew up once more at great speed and down to the Earth again. This time, I landed in the middle of an ocean. I noticed an island in the distance. It looked tropical. I flew towards it. As I approached it, I started to see a harbour in a cove. I went into it. It must be the most beautiful place I have ever seen. Sun was shining brightly and I could see it's reflection in the water. Water was very bright and full of fish. There were a few yachts sailing around. I could feel the nice breeze on my body. There was a sandy beach. You know, that beautiful yellow sand... Behind the beach, there was a jungle. Truly amazing. I went underwater. At first I was holding my breath but then I realised I don't have to do that. I was swimming with the fish. Then I thought it was time that I get back into my body. I've really spent way too much out of my body for my first time.

There are a few reasons why I think that this might have been only a lucid dream.
1.There was no pain in my back, and there usually is no pain when I have a lucid dream projection.
2.Robert Bruce mentioned in his book that newcomers to OBE have a hard time with moving around the real-time zone. I didn't have that kind of problem.
3.At first everything DID look exactly like reality, but then I got into a desert, and into that cove... That doesn't seem to be real-time zone, nor the astral dimension (from what I know about astral dimension).

But then again:
1.I didn't project to a place I imagined – I projected at the same spot where my body was.
2.I couldn't create stuff as easily as I can in a lucid dream.

What do you think of my experience? And do you think it was an OBE or not?

Hi, people!

I have a problem with projection. Every time I try to project out of my body I feel awful pain in my back, about in the middle of spine, a little to the left. As soon as I stop trying, the pain goes away.
At first it seems like it's just fine. Tingles and everything... HEAVY sensations. But then the pain starts. More I fight it, more it hurts.
I think it has something to do with a fall I had when I was younger. I fell badly on my back. It never hurt me before I tried to project at that spot, but I think that might be the cause because it's the only spinal damage I've ever had. Any suggestions?

Hi there!

I want to tell you about what happened to me yesterday.
I've been trying to OBE for about a week. I know it's not much. I know some people who needed several months of training before they could OBE. But I tried to supress my thoughts which were saying it's too early.

I relaxed in my favorite chair and started to pull my energy up my torso doing all the exercises needed for OBE. After about fifteen minutes I could feel my body being completly relaxed and stiff. I had no problem keeping my eyes calm. Time was passing by as I was trying to OBE. At moments I thought it was just a waste of energy, but I kept going. I was saying to myself in my head "I can do it. I'm gonna put all I have into this. It has to happen tonight." After much more trying, I started to feel that buzzing feeling inside my chest and my stomach being pulled inside my body like it had gained extra weight. I felt being pulled out of my body and I thought I was projecting well. But then, my closed eyes began to lose concentration on looking behind eye lids, and started seeing what what was really there - black eye lids. Sensation went away. I didn't know if I was on the right way. I felt kinda weird, so I thought that I had perhapse OBE'd and I opened my eyes. My room looked kinda different, but that was only an illusion. I felt very weird. Something like when you wake up, but still aren't sure if you are dreaming or awake. I had to put some effort in moving my arms and legs. Later that night, I tried to OBE once more, but I was too exhausted. What happened to me? Has anyone experienced this before?

Sorry for the poor grammar. I'm not very good at English.

Thanks, EOL007!

quote:However I had read about TM in the 70's and had come across an article where the journalist claimed to describe a process not unlike that which may have been used for TM. I decided to apply the methods described at the time and found them really useful.

Could you tell me about those methods?

quote:The debate about the pros and cons of 'TM' have raged on and off for decades. I can only assume that you will only find the methods via initiation, and suspect that you would be sworn to secrecy about revealing it. Forgive me for leading you down that path of thinking!

I don't get it! If Maharishi Mahesh Yogi simpy told everyone about it decades ago, then why would anyone have to swear to secrecy now? And how come that there are millions and milions of people practising it, yet nobody talks about it anywhere. There was even a good book about TM. Methods included. I just don't know the author and not even the name of the book. I just that my grandpa talked about that book, but he's long gone now...

Hi, Toriack!

I've had some succes with converting LDs into OBE's. I don't know anything about classical 'LD to OBE' techniques, but I'll tell you how I do it.

I once had a long, long lucid dream, and I really didn't know what to do anymore, so I decided to try to have an OBE. I really had no idea what to do. I just created a totally white scenario and asked:
"May I project?"
I asked nobody in particular, I just asked. Anyway, the vibrations started and I would have had a successful OBE if it wasn't for the pain in my back..

Every time from that LD, after I spend some time being lucid (quite a while), the vibrations simply start by themself.

I know it's kind of weird, but that's the way it is. Perhaps you should try it.

I hope I helped. Cheers!

AntiG, man, I'm really happy for you especially because I knew how long and how hard have you been trying! I know how it is, I've been trying for a long time before I succeeded! I hope everything gets downhill for you from now on. Best of luck![]

Man, I just love it when someone has his first OBE! First time is so precious. All that excitement because now you know that it all ain't just bull and happiness now that all the hard work had finally paid. It gives me tingles. [|)]

Thank you, Seven! That was really helpful.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kazbadan

What does it mean WILD? I know the meaning of the word itself but you used it in a manner that looks loke if you were refering to something else.
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WILD means wake induced lucid dream.

quote:Originally posted by Kazbadan

Rakon, when you had that obe did you feel yourself as if you were in a dream or it was so real as in real life? I mean, when you have a dream (LD, anything) you know and you feel yoursefl different because its a dream. Now, i am curious to no if when someone obes it will feel like in real life(it would be cool) or if it is just another unreal dream like sensation (not so cool).

I ask the same to the other obers.


thanks

There were differences from a lucid dream, but 'the feeling' was like I was in a LD. But when sometimes when I have a WILD, it's sooo real that I can barely fly and I feel the way I feel in the physical. So I suppose that if I had a wake induced OBE, it would feel like the physical.

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Is that transition that scares me a little because it may sugest that obes are just very lucid dreams.

It may also mean that lucid dreams aren't dreams but OBE's.

Didn't you make that card check to see if OBE's are real?
You know, you take a card from a deck before you go to sleep. You don't look at it and put is somewhere like on top of your wardrobe where you can't see it. When you have an OBE and end up in RTZ, just look at the card and when you return, take a look at the real card. If it's the same card, there is very little chance that OBE's aren't real.

I did that trick with a book. I opened the book on some page and didn't look at it. When I had an OBE I looked at the book and the page was 67. When I returned, I looked at the real book. Guess what the nuber was.

I'll tell you, it was 67.

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I have my doubts about that woman making you lucid...I think YOU did it, not her. My doubts are based in the fact that, as you said, you´ve encountered other friends and even telling them they were dreaming, they didn´t become lucid.

Anyway, I think chances are odd that two people dream the same dream, and even harder to meet there.I don´t say is impossible, of course (otherwise I wouldn´t be in this forums)I just say is hard.
Somehow I have the feel that you missinterpretated something, I mean...About your friend´s dream: You said he was there and you told him about dreaming and he got a funny face and then he flyes away, right ? In my opinion that was a dream, that´s it.That doesn´t mean at all that he was even there...he was probably dreaming about something completely different.And that was only an image of your friend.

I hope I didn´t sound too esceptic, I didn´t mean so.
Cheers to all

I considered what you say and I think you're wrong.

First of all, my friend DID become lucid.

It is very possible that 2 people meet in an OBE if they want to, so why wouldn't it be possible in a dream? Dream space and RTZ are connected. Robert Bruce says that there are dream pools accessible from the astral. There are dreamers in those dream pools, and projectors can enter those dream pools. If a projector tells a dreamer that he is dreaming, than the dreamer becomes lucid. And it don't have to be projectors that will make you lucid. There are many beings in the astral, who also have access to those dream pools. Considering the amount of living being capable of waking a dreamer, I think it happens very often that someone makes a dream lucid.

In fact, I think that each character someone encounters in a dream (a normal dream, not lucid) is a living being in some dimension, not just a creation of our mind. I think our dreams aren't created in our heads. And when someone has some kind of prediction dream, it's a dream no more. The living characters are removed and you enter a world created by your higher self who is showing you something. I have no proof ot this, but some of my experiences lead me to these conclusions. This doesn't have to be right one bit.

And that talk I had with my professor was very sensible. She acted like she alway does, and she had a scientific approach to lucid dreaming. And she was holding smoking a cigarette, like she always does (although that is one thing that my mind would probably create by itself because I know her).


Last night I didn't have any success meeting with kazbadan. I had a lucid dream but I totally forgot about him. I was just being a Jedi...[xx(]

Btw. How can I upload a picture here? I'd like us all to try and contatct each other.

Ok, so it will be C4:30 until C8:00. I can't guarantee that I will have a lucid dream, and it's possible we won't be dreaming at the same time. But hey, we can try whenever we want to. You can concentrate on my nickname too, I doubt anyone else uses it. I won't describe myself, I'll send you a picture. Croatia is next to Italy, to the east. I live in Zagreb, if that's any help.

Hey, I have an idea of what should we do when we first succeed. We will find the REAL Monica Bellucci who is hopefully sleeping at the time. We will drag her into lucidity and then make her do kinky stuff for us! [}:)][}:)] Whaddya say?

I hope we succeed tonight.

Huwie, I had the same problem. At least I thought it was a problem. But actually it's like this. When you start doing energy work your energy pathways are very narrow, and leading energy through them is like trying to put you arm through a keyhole. That's what causes energy-movement sensations. Later, the keyhole gets bigger and your arm fits right in (so to speak). Your energy pathways grow wider, and there is no more friction between energy and its pathway so the sensations are greatly reduced. Still they are noticable enough..

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Do some reality checks about everymorning, afternoon and night.

That would be about 3-10 reality checks every day, right? I don't know, maybe it's enough for other people... I do about a hundred reality checks every day just to make sure I will have a lucid dream. It sometimes feels like I'm overdoing it, but I think I can't do too many.


TKnoob, you should program your mind with a trigger to make you realise you are dreaming. Do reality checks, but assign them to a certain action. For example, every time you drink, do a reality check. Or you can use any action you often do. If you smoke a lot, you should do a reality check every time you have a cigarette. Eventually, it will become more diffucult not to do a reality check than to do one, because you will create a habit. So, when you sleep, there is a certain chance that you will have a cigarette in your dream. If you do, you will automatically do a reality check and become lucid.

You can also increase the chances of having a lucid dream by telling affirmations to yourself before going to sleep like:
"I will remember to do a reality check."
"The next thing I see when I open my eyes again should be my room, if it isn't - I'm dreaming. (my favorite)"
Say your affirmation about 20 times before you sleep, and really MEAN IT. Concentrate on the meaning of your affirmation. Don't just rattle it off like a parrot.
It sounded pretty stupid to me that saying affirmations is any good (come to think of it, anything that includes talking to yourself sounds pretty stupid to me), but affirmations really increase the chances of having a LD.

The next important thing is to remember the dream. It can be very frustrating doing reality checks all the time, thinking you are just incapable of having a LD, while you are actually having them, but simply don't remember them. Just spend 5 minutes every morning trying to remember your dream. Really put all your will into it. More than a dosen times all I remembered of a dream was 0.1 second of it, and I recovered the rest of the memory, detail by detail, putting great effort in it. After it I felt somewhat exhausted, much like I was having physical excersise. But things like that greatly improve your dream memory. It won't be long before you can recall most of your dreams. After you remember a dream, write it down, dream memories tend to vanish rapidly.

If you all of these things every day, and put some effort in it, I say you should have a lucid dream within a week or two.

Eyes should always be shut, defintlely. It helps you concentrate. You'll have little or no progress at all with your eyes open.

Rastus, have you had any luck making others lucid? Thanx for the advice.