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Some odd stuff has happened to me over time.  I chose to ignore it, because I thought it was just cooinicidence.  Too much of this stuff has been happening, so I'm going to list it.

1. Dreams - Most of my dreams have been coming true in some form or another.  This happens quite frequently.  If I remember a dream, I try to remember small parts, and I try to take it apart to see how it relates to my every day life.  However, I only realize it after it's gone by.

2. Walls - I have seen shadows through walls before.  For example, someone was walking down my hallway outside of my room before.  My wall is white.  As the person walked by, I could see a shadow on the wall as they passed.  Note that I was seeing the shadow THROUGH the wall.

3. Visualization - Just last night, I lie down to go to bed.  I had my eyes shut, and my mind was in slight concentration.  As my brother's ladyfriend was leaving, the two of them were walking outside of my room.  I visualized the two masses in my head uncontrollably.  It was like I could tell the two of them apart by their seperate masses.  For example, she walked out first, and my brother was behind her.  When I focused on the footsteps farther ahead, they seemed to have less mass.  When I focused on the footsteps behind, they seemed to have more mass.  Clearly, my mind had sorted out who was who in the hallway.

4. Hearing - I have been standing outside thinking before, and have heard a voice that sounded like it came from RIGHT beside me.  I was startled, and looked around to see if there was someone there, but there wasn't.  I then heard the same voice off in the distance, from a house down the street.  My hearing was amplified

5. Feeling - If I keep perfectly still, it feels like I am surrounded by a type of energy that fills all around my outer body.  It feels like there is some type of pressure all around me.  Much like if someone covered me with sand, only not as forceful.

That pretty much covers it.  Any explainations?

  I have had a history of coming across black animals.  I've had a black ginuea pig, a black dog, two black cats, and a black rabbit.  These animals are all deceased, all but just one.  The black cat.  I have hypothesized that there is a pattern here.  None of these animals have ever existed at the same time.  They have all been part of my life at different points.  However, these animals come to be under my ownership by accidental means.  This dream I about to tell you of what may be the case, though very unlikely.

 In this dream I had, I was with this black cat.  Things were normal.  I was petting it and paying attention to it as I usually do.  Somehow, a thought hit me in the dream that scared me.  It scared me because of its likelyness.  Some voice in my dream told me that there is a dark soul that is drawn to ME, which is being reborn through numerous animals.  Its dark nature causes the animal that it is born into to have dark colored fur at birth.  Every time the soul becomes mature enough to remember its purpose, the animal dies.  After this, the soul must be reborn into another, and must change fate to find its way to me.  Not until this dark soul gets to me will the line of black animals end.  

 After the voice told me this, I became very fearful, dropping the cat.  The cat then began to mock me, sickly.  It's meow became deep and bellowful.  Its eyes finallly showed the dark, gruesome character that it beared.  This scared the living hell out of me.

 Not long after this point in the dream, the voice had reached me once again.  It told me of a secret that only I had ever been told before.  The dark soul(s), which the animals that keep finding their way to my life are part of, have a secret lettering.  It is a lettering that relays ideas...as well as emotion.  I have named this lettering, "The lettering of hate."  It can be seen only by those who recognize it.  Its composition resembles that of normal words, but with a different shape.  The voice in the dream tried to explain this to me.  It is like scrambled bits of words, mixed up in swirls.  They are very hard to sort out.  Some of it makes hardly any sense to someone who sees it, since the lettering can be upsidedown, sidways, or backwards.  However, these bits of lettering are everywhere, and should be feared when seen.  

  Also, the voice told me of a location in Europe that is the source of the evil.  It is a four-storey structure in the side of a mountain, with spiritual doors that represent a new breed of dark soul.  The names of the top two, as well as the bottom were very odd names that I can't recall, but I recall the third.  So altogether, the structure appeared like this.

1. The top section



2. The lower section



3. The midriff



4. Bottom doors.


  This structure, as described by the voice, is very large.  At least 150 feet high.  The midriff section is composed of a sandy floor.  It resembles a small desert environment.  The bottom represents the purest of evil.  The top two, I cannot remember what the voice said they resemble.  

  When I woke up from this dream, I was terrified.  In my room, it was pure darkness, all except my computer monitor which was still on.  For me, this created an ominous room where this dream felt like it would continue on.  I got up as quick as I could, turning on a light, being glad it was over.  Leaving this dream was like exiting from a true, dark realm.  

  Although this was a dream, it could have meant something.  The subconscious does not usually relay thoughts this well.  What was the voice I was hearing?  I'm not quite certain of that.  I surely hope that I don't see any "lettering of hate" though.  For this will show me the truth and validity of the dream, so I will dread the day I see any.  I'm confused about what I should think of all this?  Has anyone heard anything similar?

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but when OBEing, there are a lot of things that are slightly out of place.  Sure, some of these things are things that we see in a normal everyday life.  However, a few of them are just so un-ignorably out of place.  For example, you will see things that you normally could not conjure up in your conscious mind.

   "Wow, look at that thing, it's going through the other thing while connected to all the other things!  It's also a color of which I have never seen before in my life."

Now, for many of you, that was hard to pick up.  This simply demonstrates what the human mind does not have the ability to understand.  Things can be seen while OBEing that you've never seen before, or even thought of for that matter.  The spiritual realm that we cannot currently see holds many great wonders which the average person ( who I am stuck with everywhere I turn ) does not understand.
So many things could be invented with knowledge of what is seen there.
Inventors, and geniuses alike could use the spiritual realm to help them create endlessly.  Which leads me to my next point (oh boy).
I believe that when we spontaneously think or create ideas, we are indeed catching a glimpse of the spiritual realm with our subconscious.  Sure, this could be a very innacurate hypothesis, mainly because one thought leads to another.

"Gee, if I took this, and made something that worked like it, then took the thing I made and connected it to another thing I made, life would be so much easier!"

That is usually how invention works.  However, somewhere in history, an idea or two were spontaneously put in someone's mind.  Most comedians and such come up with their ideas from the hypnagogic, or sleep for that matter.  While they are sleeping (this does not pertain to the hypnagogic), they are totally unaware that they are dreaming until they awaken.  Yet, they use these ideas which they dreamt, and apply them to real life.  If you think of it from the prospective of someone who OBEs, ideas can be recognized, all while in control.  If people can derive ideas from dreams, imagine what could be taken from an OBE.

    I'm sure a few of us in here have gotten a few ideas from OBEs.  I myself have seen a few things that inspire me to actually go out and buy materials to create this "sculpture" that I saw.  This sculpture that I saw was a shelf with candles, and small figures on it.  I remember very few of these figures, simply because they were more than my mind could conceive.  Apply it this way:

You go to a home decorations show and see many different designs that inspire you to copy this idea, just because it was something you had never thought of before yourself.

Change it to:

You go to a personally unexplored region of your own spiritual trip.  You see something that is so complex and creative, that making it in reality would be one heck of a good idea.  Though remembering what it was exactly you saw would be tough (as it is something too complex to imagine while in the physical), but you are sure that making it would only lead to more ideas.

The next time you OBE, look for small things like mentioned above.  For some of us, we see things that are not usually there in the physical.  For others, they just see all that is normal.  They see nothing that is not usually there.  I would suggest practicing your memory skills, and listing down ideas for sculptures, devices, etc.
Heck, we may even be able to make a seperate room on this forum about "OBE ideas."

This is not a demand, this is only a suggestion.  So much creativity could come from actually listing and writing down what is seen in the spiritual.  Some of these ideas that are listed could then be combined, in order to make certain things that go beyond human conception.  

If you are asking me, of course, I am somewhat crazy.  It has brought me knowledge though, and I'm glad I'm eccentric in that sense.  Thank you for reading, if indeed you didn't just skip to the bottom to see my last sentence.  
                             -Cory

Just last night, I stumbled upon a lot of good points that help me better understand how I OOBE ( this doesn't go for everyone ).

1. OOBEing can't be done unless I have moderate energy.  It can't be done when I'm too sleepy.

2. It is essentially accessed from a "substate" of the hypnagogic.
For me, it is when I'm deep in the hypnagogic after a while.

This section is pertaining to number 2 :
 
       We're all aware of the NEW energy methods, correct?  Well, last night when I "overrelaxed" my legs while in the hypnagogic state to transfer energy, this threw my etheric ( I think that's what it's called ) body into commission.  My physical body became paralyzed, and my eyes opened to see an object floating above my head.  This clearly meant that I was now OOBEing.  My inference is that if you try to feel energy while deep in the hypnagogic, you will be thrown into an OOBE without even nearing sleep.

3. It is a MUST to have your body relaxed.  Try not to move your body or else this will cause your physical body to become to aware.  No matter what, keep all limbs in a constant, relaxed position.

4. Whatever you do, after returning from an OOBE, if you truly wish to go back, do NOT move your body.  Just close your eyes and wait for the hypnagogic, and catch it once again.  

I'm sure all who are reading are saying " of course, we already knew this ".
I'm writing this for people who perhaps will take any info they come across.

OBSERVATIONS :

        While having this, I noticed quite a few things.
Over my time doing this, I noticed that fear or strong anger as mental form can throw you into the vibrational state like a pitcher throws a fast ball.  For me, some unknown reasons cause me to get an instant feeling of pride related anger, or just anger altogether.  Sometimes, it is grave fear that can cause it for me.  While in the hypnagogic, a fearful thought always throws me into the vibrational state.  
        This next observation is one of my own.  While in this OOBE, I was not up and walking.  I was uncontrollably flying around, as if a force was directing me to a certain place.  It brought me to a place with 3 beds.  I believe I was in a basement.  While being "brought" there, I was thinking of why I hadn't encountered anyone else yet.  Finally, when I arrived at this house that I swear I remember, I gained control of my walking functions again.  I had the strongest feeling that I was familliar with this home.  It felt as if I knew who lived there.  When I arrived, I was set down in front of a bed.  The covers were pushed up as if someone had just left the bed to get up for school.  I felt the bed to see if I recognized the sheets even.  Still, nothing.  After this, I was brought back.

           Yet another observation.  Objects are EASY to pass through.  It was not done purposely, but as I was struggling to gain control of my flying body ( which I swear up and down was being directed by another spirit ), I was in the middle of my floor, trying to grab ahold of it.  My torso was above the floor, and my legs were below it.  Obviously enough, I was both upstairs and downstairs at the same time ( hardy har har ).  

           The object that was "guiding" me, looked like three fingers wrapped around a thumb.  It was RIGHT in front of my face when my Etheric ( please correct me on that word ) eyes could see it.  Whatever it was, it pulled me RIGHT up out of my body.  

           When I was thrown through the wall and brought outside, I could see the stars in the sky.  As I was being dragged along the ground, I could see distinct shapes in the sky that sent messages to me.  Instead of just being constallations, they actually meant something to me when I saw them.  White lines began to outline some of the constallations to actually form symbols, which I somehow recognized as to being something else.  

    On a final note, my overall summary of this "trip" is this.  I was not at all in control.  It felt like I was being tugged around through the air.  I believe that a spirit brought me to this home I felt so familiar with for a reason.  I remember so many distinct things.  The sheets and covers had basketball designs ( team names, basketballs, hoops, etc.) all over them.  Apparently, the owners of these beds were basketball fans.  That's all. Any questions, comments, disses, etc...go ahead and reply.

In a dream I had recently, I was about 40 seconds from getting killed.  I don't know how, but I knew it.  In the dream, I was running through this place that was environmentally unstable.  I knew I wasn't going to make it out alive.  At that time, it hit me.  After my death, I was going to be reincarnated.  The sad part was, I wouldn't have any recollection of this life.  Finally, the time came to cease living.  Right before it happened, I remember saying " Not again... " and then that was it.  Is this the truth about reincarnation?  Is it that before you die, you gain knowledge of past lives, as well as the existance of reincarnation?  Just a thought.
I'm so glad I have friends that will reply to this.

Is Remote Viewing done from a hypnagogic type state?  Last night, while I was laying there with my mind blank, the hypnagogic state hit.
Then I thought about my kitchen, and something happened that reminded me of remote viewing.  I saw a vivid image of my cat jumping up on its table by the window where the catfood dishes are.  It was so vivid it actually freaked me out and faded away...then I opened my eyes.
Was this a Remote Viewing type of experience?

I've noticed that I've had some dreams before that feel as if my body is being controlled, or moved around by some force.  I've had dreams where I'm being slung around my living room like a ragdoll, and even thrown into walls and such, all while I'm too scared to move.  Of course, these are just dreams ( my actual body isn't being thrown ).
Just last night, I had one where my dream body was gently lifted from my physical, and layed in the floor of my dark room.  It was held there.  I was so freaked out, I didn't exactly know what to do.  I couldn't move for some reason...

Does this happen to anyone else?  If so, explain your theory.

Just a little bit ago, I saw something that I didn't know was possible.
I have one of those candles that have a lid you can put on them.
It's a clear, glass lid.  The candle needed to be put out, so I watched it.  After I put the lid on, the flame took a surprising amount of time to suffocate.  After it had completely gone out...it lit right back up...but the flame did something strange.
As I was looking directly down on it, the flame left the wick and floated upward, hitting the glass lid.  When it hit the lid, it disappeared.
Is this an omen of some kind?
Was the flame being attracted to my crown chakra?
I'm really puzzled as to how it did that.
Just thought I'd tell you guys about it since it was something I didn't know was possible.
It was as if the flame waspulledright off of the wick.

I have this thing that I do when I'm laying down ( I can do it anywhere ) when I relax my legs to the point of a "tingling" sensation in the core of my legs.  It's sort of like that feeling when your leg has fallen asleep, and after the tingling goes away, it sort of has that "funnybone" feeling when you try to walk.  Does anyone else do this?  I personally think that it's energy passing through my bone marrow.  What do you guys think it is?

I don't know if it can successfully be done, since nobody knows exactly WHERE I am, but would it be possible to come visit me in the astral realm?  I can't guarantee that I'd be able to make it out of my body without a little "assistance", but I'm sure I can manage if I sleep some extra hours before going to bed.  Three main people I'd be interested in doing this are Ender, Kakkarot, or Beavis.  Any of the three...or if someone else actually WANTS to do it, let me know.  

C'mon. I might even reward.

Think I'll get any replies? *shake shake* [8]

Does anyone else feel like they just sort of ended up in the wrong world?  The wrong planet, even?  Everyone you meet is so different from you.  Not just a "little" different, but DRAMATICALLY different.  They're about as one sided as the very floor on which you stand.  They can't abstractly think if it were to save their own *ss.
They're all rediculous, and most of all, they're all the same.  Internally identical.  On the outside, they have all different shapes and sizes.  The way people look at me when I talk to them.  Some of the things I say, they don't grasp at all.  They hear the words pour from my mouth, and they think to themselves " what the hell is he talking about? "
This isn't concerning my own bickering and whining, but I will tell you I'm a little angry.  I'm angry because in full truth, I don't think I'm in the right place at all.  Is this possible?  Is there such a thing as ending up in the wrong universe, or world for that matter?
Did the wrong soul go to the wrong body?
Everyone in my family is one way, and BAM, I'm another.  Sort of like a wildcard or something.  Who knows.  Could someone please give me some links on sites that have an explaination on how it's possible to just be in the "wrong place" ?

note : When I say wrong place, I do not mean the AP forum!  I like it here!  Everyone here is fine with me.  Now I KNOW we're all on the same planet, but maybe you guys in here have something different that a lot of people don't have.

It would probobly only be in my imagination, but this is derived from my post about my OBE / Lucid Dream (whatever it was).
Has anyone seen a woman of this description in their astral state?

5"8
White hair
Pale face
Star-shaped irises ( colored part of eye )

I'm almost 100% sure that nobody but me has seen her...for she could be nothing but my imagination, but just in case, if you have ever come in contact with this person, reply to this and tell me how it happened.[]

Mod note: Aagh... no caps please.

From what I can see ( or have heard so far ), EnderWiggin is the most powerful person in this Forum.  I could be wrong, but I have this feeling that he is.  How many others feel this way?  ( even you, EnderWiggin, can reply on this )

This probobly isn't even really possible, but just from the very words I type, do you sense any type of bad vibes from me?  Any good vibes?  This is just for fun, but what do you guys feel about me just by my online presense? ( I don't even think it's possible to tell )

The other night, I began Lucid Dreaming ( I thought for a few that it was an OBE by the way I was seperating from my body, so I don't know ), I encountered someone.  Here's how it all began.
I was at a certain point where I was in my room, and I was bored with Sideflipping and everything else, and when I turned and looked at my window, I thought " Why not look outside? ".  Although it was nighttime, I could see things as if it were daytime.  It was sort of foggy, and a lot of things outside were out of shape.  My picnic table which sits in my back yard, was instead, a bridge.  Under that bridge, was a small moat.  I thought to myself " WOW!  I have to get outside! ".  I was afraid, however, that my environment would change shape while I was on my way to my door, and I wouldn't make it in time to see the outside, so I decided to merge through my window screen.  I got my head ( up to my neck ) and my hands out, and then I had to give up because I wasn't merging all the way through.  As I pulled my head and hands back in, there were holes in the window, but they were repairing themselves.  I decided to give up, and when I turned around to go out the door of my room ( I think it was my brother's, not sure ), a voice halted me.  It yelled my name in an angry tone.  I looked back, and through the window, I could see two eyes peering back at me.  I thought about running at first, but then I thought " this is either a dream or an OBE, so I can't be harmed ".  I turned around, and made my way to the window.  Standing outside was a woman, and a man of mexican background.  I decided to have them come on in and to see what they wanted.  Things got rather vague from here, as if I were hypnotized.  When I came to, the woman now had white hair, and a pale face.  She was very beautiful, but she was so pale, she almost seemed like the dead.  With her, was the mexican man once again.  As she peered into my eyes, closer and closer, I noticed her irises were shaped like Nautical Stars.  It was multi-colored.  It had some navy blue, some sky blue, some white, and some green.  Both eyes were identical.  The left-arm of the star-shaped pupils were slightly curved though, which I found odd.  While I was so mesmerized by her eyes, she told me to do her bidding.  She wanted me to do something for her.  I can't remember what it was though, which worries me.  It may be subliminal, and I might do it when the right time comes without any desire to do it.  Anyway, I remember after our meeting, I was dazed for the rest of the experience.  I would find myself, standing in a dark room by myself, waving back and forth.  When I left the room...my mind was overcome with perversion and I would find myself running through places I had never been before, looking for people.  It was insane.  It was after I met her though, that I started to lose control of myself.  When I woke up, I was rather surprised, but every time I tried to go back, it would always happen.  Could someone perhaps explain this to me?  Also, NO, I am not making this up.  

           The part that leads me to think that this may have been an OBE was the fact that I would enter this environment by seperating from my body.  It would start with my ears ringing and roaring, and when this stage came, I knew I was ready to emerge from my body.  I would plainly get up, and either be thrown out of my body, or neatly float onto my feet and walk away.  
Give me some replies on your thoughts, please.
                                 -Cory

I've read on sites about people who can channel large amounts of energy into their hands, forming a ball that can be used for two purposes.
1. Healing purposes.  Being placed on chakras.
2. Projectile.  This goes as far as maybe knocking a bottle over from long distances.

Has anyone done any of this? Be it TK or just energy, could someone break this all down for me?  I'm rather new to this.

It's okay renissiance.  However, oddly enough, the house you described reminds me of mine.

The thing about mine though, it relates to my real life.
This " cat " that was in my dream ( which I actually own ) has a tendency to attack me minorly, for no reason.  He also scares me for that fact.

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Not neccessarily, Chupacabra.  This goes back to my point that things seen in the spiritual realm are sometimes beyond human conception.  This simply means that it is a totally foreign thought, and can not be brought back materialistically.  For example, think of the five senses that human beings have.

• touch


• smell


• taste


• hearing


• seeing

Wow, that was easy.  We all know about the five senses (or at least I'd think).
Now I want you to imagine an alien race.  This alien race is completely different from the human race in the aspect that they have five totally different senses.  Could you even imagine what one of the senses would be described as?  Hmm, nor could I.  We're only familiar with the senses we've been given, and we know nothing else.
If our sense of seeing was replaced with a different sense, the actual thought of seeing being a sense would be obsurd to us.

Back on track...

Being able to think clearly of an unknown color seen in the spiritual realm would be virtually impossible.  When I say virtually, that means almost entirely[B)].  With much personal reflection and constant seeing of this foreign color, it may be possible that it be created in the physical.  Given our color scheme, it is very unlikely, but the description of the color would be genius to even begin to understand.

                                            -Cory

It's fine Chris, I merely misunderstood you.

This is just another opinion, this is not factual.

It just so seems that every time I OBE, there is something different and out of place.  Sometimes, it is like I'm in a totally rearranged room.  This is an example of how planes could be described.  This plane that I ended up in could have been my room in the near future, or it could have just been a different possible "setup" of how my room could be if one thing were changed, and then another were changed.

quote:Originally posted by smooth

never thought of it like that i gess now i will. we should make a room called obe discutions.

If this "obe discutions" you speak of is actually "OBE discussions", that's where we are currently, and I don't appreciate your insult, Chris.  [B)]

If you were to ask me, my idea of planes exists this way.

 Planes are at different frequencies.  They can not be seen, heard, or smelled.  They can only be felt.  When we OBE, we are not actually seeing, but feeling what is around us.  The mind just interprets what it feels into vision, being that vision is what we are used to sensing with.  This could be an explanation for 360 degree vision.  Anyway, back on track.  I would think that all of these planes exist on one another in layers.  Right now, the very surface that you rest your mouse on as you click away at the sidescroll bar has many layers.  They all exist in one another.  They are all one.  These layers are seperated into time and place, as well as warmth or coolness, or any physical attribute.  There are infinite layers that exist within the room you are in.  How much is infinite, you ask?  Infinite may mean "endless", but it could only mean "more than you have the time or brains to understand".  I'm sure there is an end to how many of these layers there are.  Anytime I OBE, at least one thing seems out of place.  This has to do with planes, and their different quantity.  Everything exists everywhere on some layer.

NOTE : Nothing that is mentioned in this post is factual.  It is opinion based on observation and hypothesis.

I honestly think that being VERY tired is a hinderance to getting vibrations, or even controlling an OOBE.  While that tired, OOBEing would be like running around like a drunken fool.  For me, doing it after about 5 hours of sleep is what does the trick.  I'm not too tired, yet I still have a desire for sleep.  This is the perfect time to do it for me.  I lay down, and refrain from moving my body.  I clear my mind, and relax until I reach the hypnagogic.  Now, if you are too tired, you'll be in the hypnagogic and last for about 3 seconds.  BAM, before you know it, you're out.  You didn't even have any time at all to catch good vibrations.  Anyhow, back to what I was saying.  If you can stay in the hypnagogic long enough, you'll reach the ideal spot to activate vibrations on command.  I don't know if anyone else can do that, but I can.  You relax your body until you OVER relax it, and it'll send energy through you, and this sometimes awakens your body to an OOBE.  Those are my tips.

Risu, I would like you to try this :

(This requires you to run like there's a hoard of demons behind you.)

Get as far back from this window of yours as you can.  Feel a sense of determination, sort of like "This window isn't going to stop me!"
Now that you've accomplished this much, RUN like holy hell as hard as you can, and DIVE through the window (I know you wouldn't try this in the physical world, but nor would I.)
My hypothesis is that you will not just "bounce" off, but you'll realize that you're no longer on the other side of this window.  You'll be on the side that you had the intent on getting to.  Also, when you look back at the window, it will more than likely have a "you" shaped hole in it, slowly fusing back together.  No harm done to you, no harm done to the window.  

Now, if you HAVE tried this (it always works for me), then here is a different method.  While OOBEing, think of 3D rendered graphics.  Think of how easily you can just "fall" through what you are standing on, much like a glitch in a 3D rendered video game.  

Now, if you HAVE tried that, this is my last suggestion.  Stand in front of the window, and think "Boy, I wish I had a hamburger."
It won't work, but it will give you something to tell us about later.

That's all my suggestions.