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#1
Greetings,

One of IAC´s research projects with it´s promising results was just published online in: http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030428-IAC-OBE/index.asp

Below the abstract and two curious pre-cognition cases

Best regards,

Daniel

Ps. Don´t forget to send it to that sceptic friend of yours [;)]
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ABSTRACT

INDEX

This work reports some of the significant results obtained from two OBE research experiments using opportunity sampling to generate data. These experiments took place during two workshops conducted in Évora – Alentejo, Portugal, and in Segovia, Spain, respectively. The core focus of this research project is to establish more consistent and systematic informa-tion related to the way in which the consciousness perceives, interprets and recalls the information learned through out-of-body experiences, including processes such as extraphysical percep-tion, cognition, and memory; transference of information to the physical brain; and the interference or influence of individual cultural and personal background in the interpreta-tion of per-ceptions. Suggestive findings and conclusions are discussed.

...

UNEXPECTED RESULTS

INDEX

In both experiments unambiguous cases of precognition occurred. Two of these cases were registered by the research documentation, as they are related to precognitions of the target image of a future session. Other two cases occurred, in these instances related with future events that were subsequently confirmed during the workshop. These last two cases took place during the workshop in Portugal and were witnessed by all participants and by the auditor as well.

The two cases related to the experiment were:

1. During the third session in Portugal (Saturday) a participant described the image that was going to be selected [by the computer program] during the eighth session, more than 24 hours later. The description was: "It seems to me that I saw the computer screen with a grid of light blue squares" (Pareceu-me ter visualizado a tela do com-putador com uma grade com pontos azuis claros).

The image displayed during Session 8 of the experiment appears below:



This pattern on this board alternates blue and yellow squares.

2. In the first session in Spain (Friday) a participant described the image that would be selected and displayed during the third session, next morning. The description was: "It came to me the face of a dog in which we could see the red tongue and wavy, dark hair. It was small and very nice. It looked like a good and friendly dog" (me salió la cara de un perro que se le veía la lengua roja y melenas rizadas y completamente negro. Era pequeño, muy majo... Hasta el aspecto de un perro bueno y apacible).

Note: this person reported having seen, prior to the appearance of the image of the 'dog', an image that matched the shape of the image selected by the computer in that session (first session).
The image displayed during Session 3 of the experiment was:



The two cases related to future events were:

1. On the Saturday of the experiment in Portugal, a participant 'saw' an image of woods on fire, the woods appearing in a locale featuring large rocks on the ground and in proximity to a wall. The next day, in the vicinity of the hotel where the workshop and experiments were conducted, a fire began and burned for some hours in nearby woods. The fire brigade arrived to extinguish the fire, blocking the road to the hotel. The landscape and conditions of the fire matched her description very closely.

2. On Sunday afternoon, during the last session in the Portugal experiment, an individual had an experience in which she noticed someone locked inside one of the rooms close to the Experiment Room, shouting in an attempt to attract attention of passers-by and secure their release.

After collection of all questionnaires and without any examination of them, Trivellato proceeded to the Target Room (located almost directly in front of the Experiment Room) to perform the same routine as the previous sessions. Trivellato and the auditor entered the room and shut the door, without locking it. Mysteriously, they discovered that they were unable to open the door and the two of them were locked inside, shouting in vain to be heard having with them the only key of the room which was useless from the inside. Fortunately, a file containing the telephone number of the hotel was stored on the same computer used to select and display the target image allowing them to telephone the reception of the hotel and have the door opened using a master key.

It was only later during lunch, when Trivellato and the auditor were commenting on these events, that the individual who had the pre-cognitive episode in which she had perceived someone being locked in a room, told us of her experience. Her report of this experience is registered in her completed questionnaire of the last session, in the space reserved for participants to record events unrelated to attempts to view the remote target.





#2
Greetings,

What makes people like R. Monroe and R. Bruce name research institutes after their names?( The Monroe Inst. and now The Bruce Inst.) With all the respect it seems as personality cultivation.

If Mr. Bruce is into multidimensionality doesn´t he consider that he will be a different person with a different name in his future existences?

Doesn´t he consider that he is a small piece in the hole mechanism of multidimensionality? (Isn´t all the serious work done by the non-physical beeings?)

In other words, how "spiritually" correct is it to associate multidimensionality to a person's name?

Regards,

Daniel




#3
Tyler,

The book costs 90 USD, and you can order it from IACs London office: London@iacworld.org
Phone/Fax: +44 (20) 7723-0544
#4
Frank wrote:
quote:
I've been fortunate in that I have experienced hundreds and hundreds of projections. Never once have I come across a "cord" (silver or otherwise). Maybe I'm just cord-blind or something, who knows. Even if there were some kind of mystical piece of string connecting me with my physical body while I was projecting, this would be more for my physical body's benefit more than anything.



It surely is a pitty, in terms of defining by consensus what is real, that the non-physical dimension can be so diferent for each of us.
For example, eventhough I have by now only experienced "douzens and douzens" of projections, I have managed to see the silver cord in two occasions. At both times I saw it right after exit in the RT-zone when I was intentionally looking for the cord, and to make sure it was not just a creation of my thought I grabed it to feel an energetic string.

Tyler,

Consciousness is more than energy... [^]

If you want to read more on the subject of the after-life process, I sincerely recommend the book Projectiology ( http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/Projectiology.asp )
since it explains the whole process in an very consistent and logical manner.
If you don´t want to buy it, I believe it is possibel to consult the book in the IAC´s London office.

(sorry for not explainig it here in my own words but my time and english is limited)

Best regards,

Daniel
 




#5
LapSiLap,

In Sweden you can buy the book AD directly from this online bookstore: http://www.bokus.com/cgi-bin/book_search.cgi?FAST=astral+dynamics&FAST_VALUE=TITLE&S%F6k%21.x=16&S%F6k%21.y=8

Lycka till!
Daniel
#6
I believe Frank just explained partly the not rare (emotional) prejudice of the supposedly most rational people - the scientific community - towards multidimensional phenomena.  Human nature (ego) has a tendency of avoiding change and the progression related to it. The well know behaviour of the church men when they refused to look through Galileous telescope is common even today - and not least on a personal level.
However, in my view the fortunate paradox in this, is that once a scientific - minded person resolves for himself this (false) contradiction between multidimensionality and rationality, he/she will soon make greater progression than those who accepted OBE as an real phenomena immediately after their first experience.

Am I alone in this perception?

Daniel



#7
Keith,

I found the book below very iluminative on the question of subjectivity vs. objectivity in consciousness research. It might give you some inspiration in choosing your topic.
One of it´s main arguments his that the dominating materialistic view of consciousness in mainstream science is an metaphysical assumption without any actual empirical evidence eventhough it is oftenly presented as the scientifically "more correct" view.

You can find it´s first 30 pages at:
http://www.oup-usa.org/sc/0195132076/

The Taboo of Subjectivity:
Toward a New Science of Consciousness
by B. Alan Wallace

Introduction: The No Man's Land of Consciousness 3
part i The Ideology of Scienti#64257;c Materialism

1 Four Dimensions of the Scienti#64257;c Tradition 17
2 Theological Impulses in the Scienti#64257;c Revolution 41
part ii Toward a Noetic Revolution
3 An Empirical Alternative 59
4 Observing the Mind 75
5 Exploring the Mind 97
part iii The Resistance
6 The Mind in Scienti#64257;c Materialism 123
7 Confusing Scienti#64257;c Materialism with Science 145
8 Scienti#64257;c Materialism: The Ideology of Modernity 159
Conclusion: No Boundaries 177
Notes 189
Bibliography 197
Index 209
#8
Social construcionism is indeed interesting, but I as an OBE practioner have no other choice than supporting idealism, meaning that thought/consciousness/ideas come first to words/linguistics.
Just think of telepathy, where information is transmited without linguistic structures.
Makes sense?
#9
Hello,

Here´s something that may give you some ideas. The webpage is not updated but according to the latest news it´has been accepted as an official university club.

The Consciential Explorers' Club (University of Florida, USA)
http://cref.tripod.com/UFClub.html

Main objectives:
- To demystify natural, inherent human abilities such as out-of-body experience and bioenergy manipulation in the scientific light
- To introduce members to numerous Conscientiology concepts such as: multidimensionality, holosomatics, existential task, cosmoethic
- To share the vision of the Consciential (R)evolution of human civilization - the individual, human societies, cultures and institutions, science and technology
- To present ideas of possible practical applications for personal and career/life-task development
- To encourage and coordinate student research and its publication
- To facilitate the meeting and communication of individuals interested in extrasensory, paranormal, projective, and consciential systems and phenomena (with and without personal experiences)
- To assist students with physical and "mental" disabilities by showing the door to extraphysical freedom and stimilating physical-extraphysical medical reseach
- To create an interactive atmosphere of constructive discussion on many aspects of human existence, in a natural and friendly way, free of prejudice and mysticism
- To serve as a stepping-stone and catalyst of the UF Conscientiology Integration Project.

#10
quote:
Daniel why dont you spit out what you're trying to say? I hate when people think they're sounding so intelligent. When really they sound like they're talking out their butt. Instead of trying to sound so smart how about making a little sense?


Sorry, but can´t help on your hate...Funny though that your comment actually demonstrates what I ment by intolerance towards ambiguity[:)]

Have you heard how the truth many times is not a question of black or white but has many shades of grey between.

Anyway, to help you litle on your conceptual thinking on this issue you may want to read the following article:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/health/080800hth-behavior-culture.html

In the broadest sense, the studies -- carried out in the United States, Japan, China and Korea -- document a familiar division. Easterners, the researchers find, appear to think more "holistically," paying greater attention to context and relationship, relying more on experience-based knowledge than abstract logic and showing more tolerance for contradiction. Westerners are more "analytic" in their thinking, tending to detach objects from their context, to avoid contradictions and to rely more heavily on formal logic.

...Given a choice between two different types of philosophical argument, one based on analytical logic, devoted to resolving contradiction, the other on a dialectical approach, accepting of contradiction, Chinese subjects preferred the dialectical approach, while Americans favored the logical arguments. And Chinese subjects expressed more liking than Americans for proverbs containing a contradiction, like the Chinese saying "Too modest is half boastful." American subjects, Dr. Nisbett said, found such contradictions "rather irritating."





#11
quote:
yet that persistent inner skeptic is always tugging at me. I'm always questioning experiences and beliefs I have where others usually just accept them. I guess for me it's just wanting to prove to myself that it's real.


I know the feeling...but hey, maybe the others are self-corrupted and choosing the more comfortable way in just believing that lastnights dream was an OBE.  

You probably know that one of the biggest challenges in this field is to conciliate formal mechanical logic with multidimensional logic, this obviously require lots of tolerance towards paradoxes and ambiguities[;)]

Regards,

Daniel
#12
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Is Sai Baba GOD?
February 15, 2003, 15:06:03
Adrian wrote

quote:
but I must remind you that there are many people in these forums who most certainly do hold Sai Baba in high regard, and might take exception to such accusations whether they are true or not.




So perhaps you could tell what was the connection between the old astral pulse web site and the picture of Sai Baba on it?

You can still see it:
http://www.astralsociety.org/links/links.htm




#13
This short extract is not ment to offense anyone but dedicated especially to What Tha Phak[:)] (not humble but modest)

Regards,
Daniel

http://www.iacworld.org/English/Sciences/AParadigmForConsciousnessResearch.asp

"...Subsociety. Besides this, it is necessary to definitively destroy the link between pure parapsychism and the following four spurious realities:

1. Occultism or popular group autism.

2. Inappropriate commercialism.

3. Sensationalism.

4. Shrewd mystification.

Disconnection. As difficult as this may prove to be, it has to be done. As things are, unfortunately, serious persons distance themselves and a field as promising as this is characterized as an ingenuous, simplistic subsociety.

Significations. One cannot enter into a world of significance without formulating the necessary postulates.

Ingenuousness. In religion, these postulates are called blind or rationalized faith. In the majority of religions, the sacred, infallible truth is decreed through doctrine (dogmatization, dogmatics, theology). Its acceptance is based on the unquestionable faith of ingenuous religiosity.

Heresy. Any sign of doubt or questioning is considered heresy or dissidence, when not bordering on anathema."

#14
Hei Adrian,

quote:
I do understand what you are saying, but, with respect, you are reading much to much into it.



you´re probably right...

quote:
seems fitting that any institute they create for the greater benefit of mankind is named after them.



I just realised that shouldn´t it be more politically correct to use the word HUMANkind instead of MANkind [:)]

Regards,

Daniel



#15
Hello Adrian,

quote:
With respect - What has Robert's possible future incarnations to do with the name for his institute? Like Monroe, he might want to simply leave a legacy utilising his name as so many other people do in do many areas. Your implication is that it is an egotistical choice of name which it most assuredly is not. It is also not pretentious.




I understand the legacy reason for doing it, alongside other personal recognition that might be related to his work.
But if I may express my opinion, I do see, according to my limited multidimensional logic, an incoherence in associating this way ones name to universal knowledge.( I understand if one names restaurants after their names, but research institutes...)


There´s some psychological reasoning made that people try unconsciously achieve immortality by leaving great fortunes, works etc. associated with their name behind when they die. So if you supposedly know you are immortal as consciousness and will have many lives ahead that, according to some, in each you will become more and more anonymous, then aren´t you giving to much importance to this existence by naming a whole research institute after your own name?  
Note that this comment is a question to be discussed, not a straight judgment.  
 

quote:
Would you prefer a name similar to for example the "International Institute of Projectiology and Conscientology"  



hmmm...not a bad name[:)] or something like the International Academy of Conscientiology

quote:
The fact is - people know who Robert is and the excellent work he is doing for mankind, and so it is wholly appropriate to name the institute after himself by way of a legacy for his contribution.




I have no doubts in general terms of his work for mankind, but couldn´t it be just as great without knowing personally him?  


Regards,

Daniel


#16
quote:


Im sorry if this seems harsh but I find this type of silly speculation a form of jealousy and criticism with no basis. Until you do as much as someone else and then refuse to give yourself credit for it (by using your name) then its silly to even bring up such a point.




So are you saying that my criticism in itself is correct, but I as a person just don´t have the moral authority to make it?

Yes, maybe I´m too enthusiastically practising scientific questioning where you are allowed to question things whitout  relying on authority status.

For example,I don´t have any published book but does this mean I can´t express my disagreement, based on my worldview and experiences, on some other persons writings.

btw, how do you know that I'm not working hard in accordance to my life situation and ideas conserning multidimensionality?

So all the credit for those dedicating themselves to "the cause" of multidimensionality but also freedom of expression to question on how they do it.

 


#17
quote:
Daniel, you should read the source, not some distorted reductionist attack on McKenna that probably comes from a debunker's webiste; each of the ideas you mentioned has been mangled or taken out of context. Are you a professional disinformationist?



Out of context? Next, you´ll say to not take McKenna's ideas so literally because what he realy ment...
Unfortunately there was a time that I ( in my ingenuity) read McKennas books. So, the ideas that I mentioned are mine and in my limited life understanding I just can´t take McKennas work seriously. Take no offence but I will simply quote your sentence to illustrate the reason for this.
quote:
Rather, he believed that our modern yearnings toward neo-tribalism are a nostalgic longing for the timeless golden age of prehistory, during which humans regularly took part in mushroom ceremonies, and lived in an eternal, loving, spontaneous, orgiastic moment.


btw, who´s modern yearnings? And the rest, what does it all mean? Or is it just romantic new age poetry?

#18
When asked, Terence McKenna said  to have had only ONE lucid dream (no OBEs) in his life.
So what did he knew about multidimensionality? I believe his 'back to the caves' theory is irresponsible hedonistic entertainment sustained by rethoric whitout any real contribution to the evolution of consciousness. Or what did he meant by: 'life´s purpose is a big party'? He also theorized that the world ends in 2012 and that mushrooms are actually alien inteligence...

-Daniel

#19
quote:
does anyone reccomend a few book that will HELP me project? I dont want ones filled with experiences that someone had, I'm really interested in ones that will HELP me project.


In this case I recomend:  'Projectiology'.
https://www.iacworld.org/English/Shop/CatBooks.asp

Regards,
Daniel

#20
Hola Josemi!

You could ask from your local IAC office http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Barcelona@iacworld.org
(0034) 93-232-8008

Fax:
(0034) 93-232-8008

Saludos,

Daniel

#21
Adrian
quote:
I would say though that I am fundamentally opposed to charging for any service that is for the benefit of mankind, its Spiritual evolution, the planet and all life thereon. OBE's Astral projection, altered states of consciousness, meditation to name but just a few, are all part of the Spiritual progression of humanity,and is the property of us all - or should be


Here's a thought for us all.
Could it be that we as multiexistencial beings are still attatched to the centuries old religious charity mentality that we used to praise for so loudly  in our past existences.

Regards,

Daniel



#22
Frank<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>  In any event, it has been a long time since I got fooled by the fallacy of thinking that the truth of an assertion depends necessarily on the virtues of the person asserting it. Argumentum ad hominem, as they used to say in Rome.
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Okay, too strong expression from my part, but that wasn't the point of my post anyway, which asked inicially you to tell us what makes you think that conscientiology is New Age. So for you to be coherente with your affirmation above you could tell the fundaments behind your' true' assertion that conscientiology is 'New Age blurb' and not just participate by yawning.

By the way, if Monroe Institute is touchy-feely for you (I agree) then you ironically might just  be interested on the conscientiological approach.

Regards,

Daniel  









#23
Hello Adrian,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I would say that thoughts and actions count, and how they are outwardly and inwardly expressed in the context of our brothers and sisters, and in Spiritual growth every minute of every day of every year of every incarnation and beyond.

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Yes, you are right, what counts the most are the Ideas and on this basis you don't have keep reminding that you are not against IAC, because I do think that all the people seriously involved with multidimensionality are not against each other in the traditional sense. It is just matter of discordance on the methods to reach the certain objectives.
I'm convinced that using new terminology will serve in a  long term perspective more efficientely the 'spiritual causes'.

Frank<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Existential maxi-moratorium; Conscientiology; Projectiology ................ yawn.

To me, they all have the same definition: New Age blurb.

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Frankly Frank,  I would not expect such an prejudice comment by an goldmember. Maybe you are trying to provoce someone?
Let me ask you what makes you think IAC is New Age?
I consider the Monroe Institute to be much more New Age oriented with their commercial products.
In fact conscientiology encourages people to depend only on their own force of will, not on some artificial supports as the Hemi-Sync technology.

Regards,

Daniel















#24
Hello,

Thank you Adrian for changing my username.
MJ-12 <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> "Conscientiology is the science that studies the consciousness..."

Ya know, we already have a word for that, it's called PSYCHOLOGY.
Want to study extra-physical consciousness? PARAPSYCHOLOGY. Hello!

sorry had to say it hehe, but hey whatever works for ya ;)

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Psychology comes from the greek words study of the MIND. So unless you MJ-12 are not a convinct materialist who considers mind being the same as consciousness you are confusing consciousness refered as spirit, commonly "studied by" the theologians in academics, and mind  commonly studied by Cognitive psychologists. And this is I presume one reason why parapsychology can´t been very succesfull in capturing the extra-physical phenomenon. You can measure mind procesess but you can't measure extraphysical consciousness with our current technology. This leads to conscientiology as a science in which the individual by self-experimentation is at the same time the subject and the object of research confirming the facts by intersubjectivity consensus, just as many human science do.

For this consensus(agreement) to occur you have to be sure the people involved are talking of the same issue. So you have to establish terms which serve iqually all the interested for an effective communication. This means the most precise, universal and objective terms you can come up whit,  depending less on cultural factores and old connotations.

Adrian  <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>  am not sure that "'existential maxi-moratorium" is "shorthand" or even what it means - although I would welcome an explanation.

I am not even sure what "conscientiology" actually is.

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Existencial maxi-moratorium  referes to an complement of our life task, a new oportunity given to fulfiil our existencial program(mission in christian religious terms). For example surviving from an accident  can be considered as an existencial moratorium by the person who experiences it and knows that  it wasn´t  the right time to leave before taking care of some essential things. It can be maxi or mini depending on wheter it is just to acomplish the life task(mini) or to be able to do some extra after a well acomplished life task in order to reduce even more the carma account.
All this terms originally are in portuguese where they can be connected to become practically like morexis(moratória existencial)  

And many terms like carma or chakras  don't need to be replaced as they express correctely the cases and are universally consolidated.

Talking about spirituality has an religious impact and is deslocated in our modern  technological society(like it or not).

Words count.

Best regards,

Daniel      










#25
Hello,

Thank you Adrian(and Mobius) for bringing IAC to the discussion.
I'm glad in trying to inform you the best I can conserning conscientiology.
Just to remind you that I'll be writing as an conscientiology student and not  officially behalf of the organization.

IAC  http://www.iacworld.org  is a new  organization representing conscientiology internationally, where as the IPC continues only  in Brazil.
So despite of it's website IIPC is no longer International Institute of P&C, just Institute of P&C.  

Mobius:The treatise -Projectiology http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/BooksInEnglish/ProjectiologySpecialEdition.asp
will soon be availabel as a normal edition in the London office, so you could ask  them for more information.


 Adrian<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If on the other hand no profit is being made or sought, and all surplus cash is translated into further research and enhancement of training and informational facilities, then that is fine providing it stays that way always.

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This is the case of IAC.
In our society money is energy and  the use IAC gives to this energy in my view couldn't be more constructive.

Adrian<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Arial" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>My only other comment is that they appear to have contrived a whole new, and complex, language of their own to describe everything. This is a great concern, in that there is absolutely no reason to mystify everything and steep it in terminology, in order to provide courses to de-mystify it. One has to ask why they have deemed it necessary to do this at all.

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You can read the reasons from the web site
http://www.iacworld.org/English/TheSciencesAndResearch/Terminology.asp

For me it makes perfect sense.

Josemi refered on the topic "CNN article on OBE" that for him IAC seemed sectarian. May be Josemi you could specifie the term sectarian and in what sense IAC is in this category.
In my opinion the issue multidimensionality itself is sectarian by nature in this society in the same way that  OBES are pathological mind stuff in most academic enviroments. IAC is  an open organization  but conscientiology is simply  imcompatible with  mainstream science concepts on basic human nature, and therefor is a not wanted case in many public sectores of society in this historical time period, but this doesn't certainly make IAC with less credit.  
     
Last thought,

There's an  expression:' By yourself you go faster, but with others you go further'
This is what IAC  is about while defending a multidimensional reality over the materialistc one and not just for one owns amusement but taking in consideration a more larger scale, starting in refuting the paradigms of conventional science.  

Greetings,

Goldmundo