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Just have a look at this site:

http://www.bureau-13.com/psi.html

It's some kind of a game or something, but the way they describe AP..no wonder why people are afraid of it and think that AP is harmful! Grrrr...[}:)]

Can anyone give me a good advice where to find good music for meditation/AP attempts? I have orderd from amazon some meditative music, but it is very annoying. Too much sudden electronical noises. The same goes for all those "sounds of nature" CD's I have tried. Some are better than others, but they all have one problem in common, too many electronic sounds. Sometimes I get the feeling that the person making these have a problem "showing" him/her self a little bit too much, and puts in some weird improvisation sounds that spoils the melody totally...
Greatful for answers...

I'm just wondering about the auric colors...
I read the guide about how to see the aura, and one thing is now bothering my mind. As said in the guide, if you look at a blue book, you'll see a yellow aura, if looking at a red book, you see a green aura...well, there is a obvious pattern here! If the book is white, then the aura would be black. This because all the colors in the example (and their auric counter-colors) are opposite/contrast (I'm not sure of the english word for this) colors to eachother. My point/question is are the color of the so-called-aura really an aura, or is it just the simple react of the human eye? If you put on a pair of red sunglasses, and wear them for a while, you will see everything in green when you take them off. So, is it really the aura of the color we see, or is it just the eye that plays tricks on us? Greatful for answers...
StarGazer

I agree with moongirl...
at least you should read robert bruce's book psychic self-defense before you start fooling with the board...it's serious stuff...

I'm Flunky Girdlesniffer..heh! []

hi innerpilot..

I have been on the first course provided by IAC..and I really recommend it! these guys really know what they are doing! I have the "projectology" book, by waldo...it's a tome, far over 1000 pages, and I guess you can find your answers to just about everything concerning OBE in it. About Wagner Allegretti...I've actually met him. It was Wagner and his wife who held the course when they were here in Finland. Unfortunately I was only able to get the first course...
I really hope you have the chance to go on a course, and to meet Wagner..he's a really cool guy! If you want to know more about what we did on the course, PM me...and I PM you back with the details

"... Weither I want it, or not, I cannot get it back..." you said. Ofcourse you get it, you are just not aware of it anymore. I am very familiar with the hypnagogic state of mind myself, and I had a similar problem. Only that my problem only lasted for a month or two. Before I started to loose my hypnagogic images, I used to train my mind to "become empty". It was something that disturbed me (my untamed mind) quite a lot while meditating and similar stuff. I just could not tame my mind, and I always hooked on some thought, and lost concentaration. Then I just started to train, push myself harder and harder, forcing my mind not to think. This was (naturally) a big mistake to do, since I lost my hypn.images, too. I was in such an imbalance with myself, and my only choise was to take it easy and stop all my exercises for a while. After a month/two, I began to get my images back..and I could also empty my mind in a more natural way. I just needed a brake, a time-out.
You think this can be of any help?

Good Luck (neighbour [])!

agree...meditation and enegywork. very important!

try to find some books at your library...that's how I came over some interesting stuff about AP []

now when you mentioned it...i actually think I have heard about the pyramid power...
I doubt there would be any negative effects by hanging up a pyramide above your bed. Why don't you try, and keep us informed? []

never heard...
are you sure you have taken your vitamins? []
just kidding there...sorry I can't help.

I suppose it's possible...but the amount of energy needed is undescribable (at least for me...) it's not something you do just like that. I would understand if you would like to create something small, perhaps to proove yourself it's possible...but your own island? don't you think that's a bit heavy? just think about the energy you would have to provide it with for maintainance....
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I don't think there is much anyone can do to help you...what I mean is that you should put up your own schedule, by yourself. You must feel what feels good for you...
You wrote that you don't get any results "no matter what you try"...and I think the problem might be here. Perhaps are you trying too hard? Trying too hard, with different techniques is not a good combination for success. I suggest you stick to the method that suits you best, and wait. There is really not much more you can do. You'll get the results eventually, but you really have work for it. Some succeed faster and easier than others, that's a fact. Try doing some energywork for a while, and wait with the exit-attempt until you really feel ready. Dont get yourself all hanged up if you fail. I have been working with my energies and AP for a coupple of years now, and I haven't still made any serious exit-attempts...somehow I don't feel ready yet. Last time I did a semi-serious exit-attempt, I got my first vibrations ever!...and that gave me a huge motivation-kick.
So just take your time..and let's hope for success []

It has happened to me, too. But the spinning/rotation you mentioned was more like my body going vertical, head down. I had no directional perception at all. The first time it happened it just felt kind of "cool", and I became too thrilled to keep it going. Now I am quite familiar with this phenomenon, but it is still hard to keep the concentration when it occures. Just a couple of weeks ago I had what I'd call my very first vibrations. I was lying on my bed, meditating. At some point I became aware that I went in to the hypnagogic state, and was very close to fall asleep. Reality became mixed with dream images. Then I used all of the enegy I could to fight this off...I succeeded, became fully aware again, and just after that I started to feel the vibrations! Because it was my first time I ever felt them, it was a too big piece of the cake for me, and I was in no way able to keep up that state. I began to think about everything I've ever read about what to do when the vibrations kick in...and that was enough to ruin it...
Training, training and more training...that's what it takes! So let's just spin and rotate for a while...and we'll get there! []

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

If something's plural, you use "are," not "is."

So, it would be "any kind of tips are welcome" or "any kind of tip is welcome."

hmm..I must say that was an extremely important post you wrote [xx(]duh...

Thank you ever so much for the tip! []

ok, I think I follow...
Sometimes it happens that one tries too hard, wich leads to weaker results. It's all about having the right approach and attitude. When it comes to meditation and AP related stuff, I think it's important not to set up definitive goals. It's better to have it like a lifestyle, you meditate every now and then..you do your stuff. As time goes by, you might get your results. It's better to let them come at their own time, if they are to come...than to force them, and feel frustration when nothing happens. The frustration and dissapointment might lead to lack of results, also..because they might create what I call energetic imbalance. Just keep the energies flowing, and be cool..and you'll get there, as we all will []
Don't feel stressed if you don't feel like meditating some day, some week or even some month. I have had the similar problem. The thought that I should definetly be meditating more was always on my mind, and it was extremly annoying. I simply could not still my mind enough to get down to it. Then a loosened it up a little bit, and now it feels good when I do it, but I won't feel bad if I don't have the time to do it every day. A little compromising with one own's mind can do good, sometimes. Good luck to you!
Be cool []

Those courses are full of crap, that's my opinion. But sure, some of the stuff really works, but my advice is that you try to find other places. For ex, check if IAC (international academy of consciousness) have something for you. I took all the courses provided by mysticweb, and I was dissapointed. The first letter in the AP course is quite good actually. It's mostly about energywork..but in the end they start loading up stuff about jesus and demons! Ok, maby I'm a little bit too forward here, but I really got a "bad tast" from the course. The second course is better than the AP, but they have left out some essential stuff there, also. But if you are really into AP/OBE, I suggest you find something better, and don't waste your time on mysticweb. This is just one persons opinion, and maby it works fine for you, but I did not like it...at all. Most dissapointing was the stuff about negs and negative energies. There were many spells and other occult/mystic stuff you should say or do to get rid of them. They weren't able to give an explanation that would have satisfied me...at least not in a way that Bruce does in his book astral dynamics. But the course is useful to get a little bit wider view into the subject concerning AP, but it is not to be relied on completly.
Just a piece of advice...
Good look on your path, wich one it ever may be []

quote:Originally posted by smooth

maybey the presser is someone trying to stop you from have a obe like a spirit pushing you to stay in your body. it could be a guid maybey thinking you are not ready or somthing. just a thought though.

Ok..just a thought, but I don't think that spirits caused the preasure. They usually don't interact with our physical bodies in this way. It's a totally different thing when we are aready "out"..and there it might be possible for higher beings to do thing like trying to stop us...in the manner you said. And as I said earlier..I think (think I know) the burning feelings are caused by energy movements. For me they have eased a bit through practice, because I am now able to let greater amounts of energy flow through my hands freely...and this I have found reduces the burning sensation. Just keep practicing with energy []

Hi Hannah!

The "burning hands" thing happens to me all the time. Often enough to give me the time to study it []
My theory is that the burning sensation is caused by enegy movements. The go "in flames" when greater amounts of energy passes through the hands than what we are normaly used to. This is a very good thing! For me it went even further. I was doing some energy exercises, and as usual I could feel my hands getting real hot. After this my entire arms became like paralyzed, and I only felt the tangling heat. After this somewhat unexpected and surprising state, I got the feeling that my bed was moving, or at least I was. It was a very slow movenment...Like someone would lift you real slow from sleeping position until you are head-down, holding you by your ancles. I totally lost my sense of what is up and down...here or there, as this was very confusing. At some point I lost control, and I might have made an exit out of body. But I was totally unaware of this. But I think it's all because of the amounts of energies moving through our hands and body, and as I stated...a very good thing!
Peace!

Holy sh**!

That was some messed up people on that message board. When I enterd, I actually thought it was a joke! I mean, UNBELIEVEABLE! My words aren't enough to express my feelings about this...
Demonic...truly demonic..[}:)]

Hahahahaaa..lol []

Happy projecting!

quote:Originally posted by Haematite

I've heard about the "cord" - it's the string that connects the material body with it's astral "double". I've also heard that if the "double" is hurt or killed the body dies with it - in the same moment or a bit later.

Be safe[]

According to AD, this is not true. The cord is a link between the physical/etheric body and the RT/astral body. Energies move between these bodies using the cord. The cord can not be damaged while you are out of the physical/etheric body. I also doubt that you could get hurt or killed (the astral body) during OBE. After all, there is nothing physical about the projected double, it's just a singel opint of consciousness. Ofcourse it can be affected by negative energies, but the risk of actually killing it is minimal, if not even non-existible. Before anything like this would happend, your projected double is safely back/reintegrated within the bounds of the physical/etheric. And I don't think it is that easy to find a negative energy strong enough (compared to the energy-level of a living human-being) to do some serious harm to you. Ofcourse there might be places that shold be avoided, but I'm sure you get the hostile feeling before you are out on too thin ice. All the Negs I have met (mostly in lucid or semi-lucid) dreams have been easy to get rid of and eliminate. I have never ever felt a real threat, and never have I been afraid that they might hurt me. These fears are not good to have during a projection since they can be detected by negative beings, and they can even work as a magnet to attract them to you. They feed on your negative feelings, and this makes them appear more dangerous than they in fact are. Don't worry about them, you are safe []

Hmm...sounds like you could have a look at RB's book " Astral Dynamics"! There you will find all the answers in a clear, logic and easly understandable way about anything concerning the dangers of AP. But this much I can tell you...it's not leathal, and it's not dangerous. Read the book to get it explained. I'm not qualified to give you the full explanation here, and I will not citate anything from the book...so try to get a copy of it from somewhere, and read for yourself []

Ok, thank You for those answers. I'm really not that into auras (yet). It was just something that came to my mind when I summed through the guide. I'm sure that I will find evidence to this matter when I'm a little further on my path. []
Now I have only read astral dynamics, and I also started on PSD. I have done some experiments with lucid dreaming, and a lot of energywork. My experiences so far have been positive, even surprising at times! I also took a course provided by IAC (International Academy of Consciousness), where I learned a lot about OBE. I haven't got into it (the actual projection) quite yet, since I have a feeling that the time is not ready yet. I want to balance my energies first. I just hope I'm on the right way. But I trust my feelings...so far so good! If anyone want to share some early projecting experiences with me, I'd be very glad...'cause I'm truly just a noobie, and I suppose I could use some good advice.

I have also seen the goldish thing you mentioned. I took part in the consciousness developement course (arranged by international academy of consciousness), and there we were trained to see this thing you mentioned, the psychosoma. Etheric body would be a more accurate description here
We were supposed to see this thing around our teacher, as he tried to move it a bit. Most people in the class was able to see this..but not me, because I had a big lady sitting just in front of me. Anyway, this didn't cause any problems, since I saw her psychosoma! When I glazed to the side, I noticed this same shimmer around most people. It doesn't sound wery thrilling, but it was for me at the time! It was the first time I saw anything like it...