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I had posted before about only being able to feel what I thought was energy when I had my eyes open and that I wasn't very good at doing it with my eyes closed.  I could very easily focus on a toe or on my knee or a finger or an entire leg or any part of my body and feel tingling there, but was right now trying to do some practice and I started being able to also focus on a body part with my eyes closed as well, but I still feel like I am better at it with me eyes open.

Anyway the question is this.  Am I really doing the energy work correctly?? I ask because I can feel tingling very easily over any area I focus on with my mind (even more so when I have my eyes open) and was just wondering if it wasn't a fluke.  I had stated before that I could do stuff like this before I had heard of NEW and didn't know if it was just old habits that weren't in fact energy work, or if what I am doing is in fact energy work. Right now as I am typing this I tried it again and took my hands away from the keyboard just to see if I could feel it again just by focusing and just sort of focused on both my palms and felt tingling and the more I focused the more intense the sensation became.  When I focus enough to feel a more intense tingling I sort of cup my hands together and move them closer together without them touching and feel almost like a little ball of energy and keep moving them farther apart then closer together (I had read about this somewhere about psiballs) and the tingling becomes more and more intense.  You know when you ride in a car and stick your hand out the window and cup it, it feels like you are holding a ball.  That's kinda what it feels like, except it tingles alot.

Well I just wanted to ask and share some experiences.  If I am not doing it correctly and am full of BS I ask that you please not make fun of me[]  I am still trying to figure out a bunch of stuff and decided that it's better to ask even if it might seem silly or whatever than to just keep wondering on whether or not I am doing it correctly.  I also ask that you excuse the grammar and somewhat rambling nature of this post, I was trying to get my thoughts down before I could forget them as to not leave anything I wanted to say out of this post.

Why is it that people seem to avoid responding to this thread until the next time I bump it up?

I feel like I am asking legitimate questions and giving examples of what it is I feel and why and so on.  I am not trying to waste time by posting about Dragonball Z or The Matrix or other silly things, I really am interested in learning yet people avoid my topic.  Why?  Is it because you do not know?  Is it because you do not care?  Is it because you want to keep your knowledge to yourself?  I don't understand.  I hate to accuse anyone, but I am starting to think that one of those is the reasons.  Every time someone has answered me, I have posed more questions and comments yet my thread keeps falling.  

Maybe someone will respond or maybe my thread will sink again, it's worth another shot.

I spoke to a fellow who was into Astral Prjection and energy work.  I described to him what I was feeling when I focus energy to different parts of my body.  He told me that I was doing it correctly.  That my mind was doing the work and my eyes simply acted as tools to focus energy, and to keep going.  Yet in the NEW book under Tactile Imaging it says the following.

Note: Focus body awareness alone on the specified target area and try not to use your eyes unless you really have to. Many people, however, find they cannot learn T.I. techniques without using their eyes for targeting. Do what is necessary for as long as you need to, but try and wean yourself off using your eyes as soon as you can. Many of the more advanced exercises and techniques given later in this tutorial do not allow the use of the eyes, or any other form of targeting or highlighting aid.


When robert says do not use your eyes.  Does he mean do not look at the area?  Because I am not looking at the area, I can look straight ahead even when my eyes are closed but the sides of my eyes feel like they do the focusing(the guy I talked to online tells me this is correct).  I am trying to understand because I do not wish to waste time making mistakes.  Other people have made comments, which I have responded to with questions about and yet they go unanswered.  That is what I wish for.  For someone to please help me understand, if it isn't too much of an unconvenience.  And I ask the mods to please not delete my post or lock this thread.

quote:Originally posted by Drepmore

its quite similiar to when you have a toothache, your awareness automatically focuses itself inside your mouth. you are looking for a similar effect with any other part of your body. shift focus up your leg as if each bit was being sliced open by a knife. that sounds a bit extreme but it is the awareness that counts not visualisation.

I don't understand how it is possible to recreate a feeling  of something going across your leg without picturing it in your mind happeneing.  

I ran a pen across my leg, now when I try to recreate that feeling, I picture my leg and feel as though my eyes focus the energy on my leg and then I feel it there.

If someone were to cut my leg I wouldn't need to picture it happeneing, the pain would be a response to the act.  Since it is not really happening how can I just think of it happening without picturing my leg in my mind?

Like I stated that I feel as though my eyes focus the energy there, even if I am not physically looking at it.  Is that wrong?  If I can succesfully feel energy there is it wrong?  My eyes do grow fatigued and I get dizzy tht's what I don't understand.

I don't understand the part about being too visual.  How am I supposed to not be visual and just "feel".  I am not physically looking at the area I want to feel energy.  The sensation I feel on the sides of my eyes like I mention makes me feel the energy on a certain area.  If I want to feel energy on the right side of my body it feels like the right sides of my eyes trace the path for energy to travel.  If I want to feel energy on the left side of my body it feel as though the left sides of my eyes trace it to the left.  If I want to feel energy on my back it feels as though the back part of my eyes trace the path.  

I tried just closing my eyes and feeling but I couldn't, I don't understand how I am supposed to just feel without picturing where I am supposed to feel.  When I started feeling as though the sides of my eyes are doing the tracing that's when I was able to very easily feel energy.  I could form a psiball very easily.  But like I said my eyes feel very tired.  I get dizzy when I focus on one area for too long because I feel pressure on my eyes.  

I just don't know what to do.

Please.  I would like some advice.  Is it wrong if I am feeling pressure on the sides of my eyes while doing energy exercises?  Like I stated, I feel as though the path for energy to travel is being taced by the sides of my eyes, even when I close my eyes and do the exercises.  I feel very tired and dizzy after doing energy work and have stopped for the last few days because I wanted to get that cleared up before continuing and possibly doing more harm than good.

I would appreciate the help.

quote:Originally posted by holy grail

If you are interested in helping/healing people with manipulation of energy, also with using different hues/colours depending on different parts of the body then I recommend Advanced Pranic healing book. More info in www.pranichealing.com or www.pranichealing.org by Choa Kok Sui. This is the same website referred to for sexual transmutation technique. Also as an aside, the following links may be of interested www.pranichealing/presspacket/kungfu.pdf or see www.pranichealing.org/magazines.htm kung fu march 1999

Thanks for the links

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quote:Originally posted by keos

be aware of the power in your hands. feel that power running through you. then simply start rubbing both of my hands slowly, and increasing the speed, until it's really fast. heat will be generated.

now, detach your hands slowly, while you still feel the heat between both of your hands.
slowly slowly, separate the hands. continue to do so until you feel the heat between both of the hands. it was windy at the time, and i was still able to feel the heat even though. it felt weird, i feel wind, it stays half warm half cold, and then when the heat goes it was warm again.
when i felt right, i started attaching my hands together. slowly slowly, i drained the energy from the ball i created into my heart chakra, it was overwhelming to take it all at once, so i did it in 3-4 breathes, i moved it to my heart chakra.

after i was done, i was told by the person next to me to start touching parts of my skin, and see how it feels. i didn't want to. i kept my hands closed together, and tightened it up every few moments.
then after we were done, i put my hands under hers, and we both felt an incredible surge of energy between both of our hands.

that's my experience with it.

i'd be more than happy to receive some more exercises regarding this, maybe about manifesting colored balls, etc.

anything you have would be great, i just started working with energies

That's very interesing, gonna practice that sometime.  

What I do is one of the exercises I found on www.psipog.net, but  a little differently.  I cup my hands and keep them about shoulder length apart, then focus on both palms to feel energy there (feels like static electicity tingling in both palms.  I slowly bring my palms together and as they draw closer to one another the tingling and pressure on my hands gets increasinly intense.  Don't let the finger tips touch one another, bring the hands till the tips of your fingers are a few centimeters apart, the energy felt should be pretty strong.  I stay in this position for a few seconds, just feeling it, then move my hands apart and bring them together, as they're coming back together the energy felt should increase.  Here's an illustration of what I was explaining: http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=8  Go down to where it reads Step 5 There's an illustration of two hands moving apart and then together while increasing energy.  A small thing I've noticed though is that sometimes I get dizzy when doing this for a while or a few days in a row.

I've only been working at pasiballs for two or three weeks, so if anyone cares to ring in and critique the method feel free to do so.  I could always use some advice.

I don't know the answer to your question, but have one of my own.  Can you explain how you made the energy ball and then distributed it to your energy centers.  I've been working with energy in my hands and would be interested in hearing it.

Ok when I practice I do so with my eyes open because I am not good at it with my eyes closed. Is it wrong if I feel like the sides of me eyeballs are doing the tracing when I want energy to move from one part of my body to another.  I am not actually looking at the path I want the energy to follow(my eyes are facing forward), but it feels like the sides of my eyeballs are doing the tracing (almost like if I have insivible lazers on the sides of my eyeballs that trace the path for energy to follow).  When I make psiballs I also feel some sort of pressure on the outer parts of my eyes, and I get a little dizzy, and my eyes feel tired after I do it for a while.

I don't know if that made sense but I tried to explain it as simply as possible in hopes of not confusing anyone as to what it is I am asking and getting some responses, because I am confused about this.

About a week or two ago I started having terrible headaches that lasted for about five days. They were located at the back and bottom of my head.  I do think they were somehow related to my practicing with energy because I had never had headaches that intense before and not in that area.  I hadn't changed my eating or sleeping habits so I do think the headaches were caused by that.  I have felt other uncomfortable sensations such as cramps, pain, nausea, a little dizzines and overall uncomfortable feelings over my body at times.

One thing that does interest me since I started practicing "psiballs" is the sensations I've been feeling in my hands.  Each time I practice, the tingling sensations become more intense.  Afterwards I feel some static in my hands, if I run my hands over something after practicing I feel a little after sensation of static.   I thought it just might have something to do with running my hands over my chair since it's a thick fabric, but I seem to feel that after running my hands over different things.

I was really hoping that someone could reply to my comments.  I am kinda confused as to whether or not I am doing this correctly.

I've heard about some people whose hearing was healed with energy.  I don't know how true it may be, but just wanted to let you know that I've read that it's possible.  

Here's something someone posted some time ago in a Yahoo Group I used to visit:

Hey bud,
This is my last chance to get to my email before we leave to go
trekking in the morning. I didn't even know the hotel would have a
way to let me access the internet. I guess I was thinking of this as
some rundown third world country but the capital city isn't as bad as
I thought. It's bad but not as awful as I expected. The children's
mission we visited tonight was depressing and very cool at the same
time but I'll get to that in a minute. I had a magic related
experience at the children's mission. Well, Steve actually did
something magic related and I just watched, and I learned some weird
things about how he does energy work. He freaked me out tonight with
this magic. I don't know why I got freaked out since I should know
well enough to expect weird things from him by now. Steve is on the
phone right now with some guy in Tampa about wiring a donation to the
mission, so I'm going to hang out for a while and write everything
down in a "vacation diary". I know everyone will see the videos from
the whole trip when we get back (I'm going to make you suffer through
watching every minute of tape...heck, I'm even going to make copies
for Rhi and Mike and make them suffer long-distance but I don't
feel like talking into a camera to describe everything that happens
so I'm going to write some of it down. Anyway, on to the real scoop...

We got here about seven hours later than we'd expected to get here
because of the late flight, so we didn't get to walk around the city
like we'd planned but we still had enough time to go to the
children's mission. The director of the mission, Bill, was happy to
see us but that's probably because him and Steve were pals back in
college and probably also because he knew Steve wasn't going to leave
without handing over some deneiro for the mission. It was very
depressing to see how many kids were there. While we sat there and
talked to Bill, we started noticing there was one kid who was sitting
off to the side who wasn't really playing around with any of the
other kids. It turned out the boy was deaf. Bill said the boy lost
his hearing a few years ago as the result of some kind of sickness
that a lot of the children in the mission came down with. Steve went
to go sit with the kid, and the kid knew sign language, although he
had different signs for some things so maybe sign language varies
from country to country just like spoken language does. Anyway, Steve
was signing with him for a while and one of the women who worked at
the mission was nice enough to watch them and translate for me even
though it freaked her out to see what Steve and the kid were talking
about. It actually made her angry at first, but I'll explain the
reason for that too.

Steve was signing with the kid, asking him questions like how he lost
his hearing and could he hear anything at all and things like that,
and the boy said he couldn't hear much at all, not like he could hear
before he lost his hearing, that he could only feel sounds, not hear
them. (which is common for deaf people...my cousin can feel the
sounds in music but can't hear anything at all) Then Steve asked the
kid if he could help him hear again would he want that. The woman who
was translating kept asking me "why is your friend saying these
things? what is he talking about?" I told her to just watch and keep
translating for me. The boy asked Steve if he was a doctor and Steve
told him no, not really (I don't think a PhD counts in this case.
But the boy said sure he would want to hear again. (well, duh, of
course he would want to hear again, but you know Steve wasn't going
to do anything without asking him first) So Steve explained to the
boy what he was going to do, and the whole time he was talking to the
kid the woman next to me was freaking out trying to get Bill to stop
the whole thing because she said Steve was being totally cruel
to "give the boy false hopes" like that. Steve sat in front of the
boy and told the boy to hold onto his hands and to squeeze his left
hand or right hand when he could hear something out of the left ear
or right ear. He told the boy it might take a long time, not just a
minute or two, and he also told the boy it might hurt, like pinpricks
inside his ears, or like the pins-and-needles feeling you get in your
foot when your foot falls asleep and then you try to move it again,
but I don't know if it hurt the boy while it happened or not. (he
didn't act like it hurt when it happened.) The woman was really mad
by that time. She was tugging on Bill's arm telling him to stop Steve
from teasing the kid. I tried to explain to her that he wasn't
teasing but she didn't believe me.

Now I haven't seen Steve do any healing work since I started studying
direct energy work and started learning how to watch the energy flows
and things like that, which I've only started studying in the past
year, so this was the first time I got to see that happen. I got to
watch a healing take place and actually try to follow the energy
flows. (except Steve kept blocking my connection on purpose...Mike,
maybe you can tell me about a better way to watch this sort of thing
while it's happening without getting too "close" magically speaking)
But anyway, after watching him I decided you're completely right.
It's freaky to watch. It's not anything like the energy work Erik
does or like what Rob does or even like what Kristen does. I couldn't
even keep track of it. Maybe someone more experienced like Kristen or
Mike would've been able to keep track of what he was doing but I
couldn't keep up. It was all going way too fast for me to follow
everything that was going on. One thing I did figure out, which I
sort of knew already, is basically screw the whole concept of sending
a big flow of energy into someone. It wasn't anything like that at
all. It was teeny tiny little flows and I could hardly keep track of
them. After a while the kid started to squeeze Steve's hand, then a
little bit later he started to squeeze both of Steve's hands, and
eventually the boy started yanking on Steve's hands like crazy. Then
he started hollering and whooping and Bill and the woman ran over to
where they were sitting on the ground. The boy was making all kinds
of noise and he was having trouble with speaking, I guess because he
hadn't spoken much in a few years, but he was hearing what Bill was
saying to him. I got a big kick out of watching how excited he was
and watching how the woman kept trying to sign words to him and he
kept pushing her hands away and trying to get her to talk to him out
loud, and he was answering their questions with words, trying to get
used to saying words out loud again, instead of signing answers back
to them. He was having trouble annunciating so he kept stopping to
say the same word a few times in a row to make sure he was saying it
right.

Steve thought that would be a good time to leave, before we had to
sit there and answer a lot of questions that would've taken all night
to explain, so we ducked out of there pretty quick after that. But
here's the best part...I got the whole freakin thing on video. (bless
you buddy for letting me take your camera.) Afterward when Steve saw
me holding the camera he asked me "so how much of that did you get on
tape?" and I told him "every minute, my friend, every single minute"
(hee hee hee) and he told me he wanted me to rewind the tape back to
the beginning so we could tape over it tomorrow. I told him he was
crazy if he thought I was going to tape over that. I don't know why
he's got to be that way about it. He says there's nothing secret
about magic or energy work then he turns around and tells me to tape
over what's probably the only video of him ever doing any healing
work or any other kind of magic for that matter. I know he thinks
those kinds of videos are basically a way of people showing off with
working magic and is something only the new agers and commercialized
fluffies do, not serious mages, but he's loony if he thinks I'm
taping over it. I'm going to secretly pocket this tape and pop
another one in the camera and tell him "sure, I taped over it"...of
course he'll hear about this email when we get back and I'll catch
some flack for it then, but I'll deal with that when the time
comes.

You can post this to the RFM list too if you want since some of the
people there might want to read about healing. Just don't go editing
my bad grammar or anything like that. Well, that's all I have
time for. We have to go to sleep for the night so we can wake up
before dawn. There are two guys from Australia here in the same
hotel. I think they said they're from Perth. We met them in the
restaurant tonight and they're hiking the same trail we're hiking, so
we're going to head out with them in the morning.

Adam


I don't know how accurate that story may be, but just wanted to let you know that I've heard stories about people's lack of hearing being cured.  

Here's the address of the Yahoo Group where it was posted:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ritualfreemagick/

It was an older Message, number 963.  In case you wanna go there and ask the person who posted it some questions regarding what he claimed to have seen happen.

I too have some hearing problems, so this is something that interests me.  Let me know if you find out any helpful info.

I don't mean to hijack this thread with questions of my own, but I am in a somewhat similar situation except I don't know if I am actually doing it right.  I can focus say on a toe or a body part and feel energy i guess it is.  I don't know if I am just imagining it or if i can actually feel something, to me it does seem like i feel something so I don't know.  

The reason I ask, is because I've kinda been able to do this for years.  I just had a good awareness of my body or something.  I could do it easily, just say I would think of an area of my body and feel kind of a weird sensation there.  That's the reason I don't know if I am doing the NEW training correctly, or if I think I am and it's just an old habit I am doing instead (don't know if that made sense).  I also feel like I can do this easier with my eyes open.  I don't look at the area I am trying to "feel energy" I just kinda look ahead or to the side or something and  I have a much easier time.  Same with it when I am trying to imagine stuff (like the exercises at the beginning of the NEW book)  I could imagine the stuff he wrote while I was reading it, or even after I read it, but with my eyes open.  I have a difficult time imagining with my eyes closed, don't know why.  

I would appreciate any helpful comments or suggestions.