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Last night I awoke myself from a OBE, Astral Projection. I had experienced something I'd never experienced before. I had this pounding in my ear, I could feel it also, literally, when I awoke from the OBE, realizing I was in in an OBE, I had a strange pressure in my ear. No doubt it was during an OBE... Anybody know what the heck this was.!?

   Complexette, [?][]

Why do -u- think one is naturally inclined to astral projections, others need to learn to astral project???

   Thank-z-,,,                        Complexette

I received this message as an e-mail.

Simply fascinating what the brain can do. I remember reading somewhere. When a person reads something, if punctuation or spelling is incorrect. The person reading then gets irritated & discards most of the message??? True???


I thought this to be very interesting.


cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg
THE PAOMNNEHAL PWEOR OF THE HMUAN MNID
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist
and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can
sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed
ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Amzanig huh?
As a personal survey I'd like to know; In five words or less how this letter made -u- feel??? Thankz, Complexette
P.S. It's OK, if -u- go oevr the fvie wrdos!!!

I received this message as an e-mail.

Simply fascinating what the brain can do. I remember reading somewhere. When a person reads something, if punctuation or spelling is incorrect. The person reading then gets irritated & discards most of the message??? True???


I thought this to be very interesting.  


cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg
THE PAOMNNEHAL PWEOR OF THE HMUAN MNID
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist
and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can
sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed
ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Amzanig huh?



As a personal survey I'd like to know; In five words or less how this letter made -u- feel???                                            Thankz,   Complexette[]
P.S. It's OK, if -u- go oevr the fvie wrdos!!![]

Well all,[][]

   On my hunt for an answer, I've found one. Robert Bruce said, Sexual OBE's or astral sex; are inevitable. As projectors begin to expand their horizons they will encounter other projectors. Robert said; It's human-nature to have sexual thoughts & fantasy type sexual imagery pop into peoples minds, privately & harmlessly. " These -r- perfectly natural & do no harm, In the sensitive OBE, -u- -r- what -u- think, thoughts -r- not so harmless & private. When one meets another projector, if one has a sexual thought, the one reading the other will feel what their thinking. There for often against the others will.??  
   If one frequents the sexual OBE too often they will only be allowed into the lower vibrational dimension'  Hmmmm???  Like a menace to society, kept on street's with like minded people.  ( When I started having sexual OBE's I was so young, I thought it wasn't real!  I feel as if I were a bit cheated. However I continued with the sexual OBE's. Since I've been married I've had/allowed very few of them, often times I don't have enough time to wake myself! )

QUESTION; by not allowing this, for so long, shouldn't I be a bit further along by now? I have seen my share of beautiful things in the Astral world!!! How do I allow myself to reach the highest vibrations without getting stuck in a snare??? I can't help but think I've held myself back ( vibrationally )

   I've also learned that there's Real Time projections, which is more intense sexual encounters. Having to do with the ( genital chakras )  The male -n- female initiator  are similar. Extending from or into the silver cord, the cord's unite ( -n- someone turns up the base on the radio!!! ) Safe sex for our bodies. One catch! -u- loose vibrational levels?.!
I wonder if spirit's are judgmental???
Thus far I've not found anything that makes this matter more clear, than Robert Bruce has. I need to commend him for standing up with his ( bad a double s credential's )[] Most of us know how hard it is to prove the paranormal.!. -N- no he's not paying me [] I'm just happy I didn't sink lower on the vibratodem poll he, he TTFN


           Thankz All, Complexette

    p.S You can learn more 'bout Robert Bruce www.astraldynamics.com

Ok I'm a dork [] I didn't realize there's already a whole forum on him [:I] whoops he,he[]

Hi All,
I've shortened this up a bit, I realized I was confusing people with too much information.
  I'd like to see what -u- make of this???
   Before I tell -u- all this I should explain a few things. I'm 27 years old. When I was 4 yrs old I had a very high fever. I do recall a few dreams while in the oxygen tent, and the feeling as I was being healed. The feeling of being very small in a large body, that's the best way I can think of to describe it.!?  As a young child I'd roll pencil's on the table, make my door move, by sitting in front of it and pulling it open -n- close without touching it, ya know kid stuff!?? Kind of a strange kid I was!!![]
    My mother said I was 9 I think I was more like 12 years old when I had my first OBE,  that I remember well enough to talk 'bout?  I saw myself lying on my bed. Soon there after; in the OBE I started to get stimulated, ya know stimulated! I thought that was aw some, after all I didn't think it could really happen, just my imagination!  That way I didn't ever have to loose my virginity!!! ( don't all little girls want to keep their virginity as long as possible!!!)
    I'm married now & do not allow this to happen, I just strugle to wake myself up!!! I know that it is very real, I've preformed a few minor test's, to convince myself of it. In the OBE I'd gently bite the palm of my hand, enough so that it would be wet when I awoke, My palm was not wet. So I know I bit it, yet my hand was not wet! That's when I realized that there actually were different dimension's! Needles to say I now believe. The different realm's are incredible, and over whelming @ the same time. It's happened too long & too often to dissmis it...
 'bout a year ago I had a OBE, it wasn't like all the others.
    I was in heaven -2- the left of me was a desk with a large man behind it. He said my name; Jamie "The Jamie." I said that's me!!! I think he said this to everyone to let them know that they are individually important??? I met with Jesus as he was walking toward me, He placed his hand on my back ( The LOVE I felt was radiating, more love than I'd ever known, even after having a child) As I said this to him; God the love you have! He led me to a room!  I remember getting on my knees, saying this world has tainted me. ( which I don't blame others for my issues)  I don't recall God saying anything to me, I saw a large garage door open, as the flames abolished my sins.?! I feel bad 'cause I don't feel that I accomplished what he brought me up there for, I felt that I judged myself. Any thoughts on that???

I don't know if I'm suppose to share what I know, I fear that I'd be teaching people something their not suppose to know. By telling my 2nd dream; when I saw myself lying there in my bed. @ age 9 or 12?)  I've told people that dream before, I've had several people come to me & tell me they experienced the same thing???

   When I was a child and would say my prayers, it would seem to happen more. I don't know if those lower energy forms -r- trying to trick me or what??? Back to the beginning of this letter. As I was trying to tap into my own resource's for strength. This is what happened night before last.  ( I never really know when I'll have an OBE. )  As I realized I was starting to go into the OBE I thought of seeing Jesus, I said his name over -n- over I started seeing black, like someone was pulling the wool over my eyes. Then the OBE continued in my bed room. My hands were folded on my chest. I saw my husbands hand approach me and stimulated me. Before that I'm not sure if I was being stimulated.?? But the weird part was I herd A bell go off ( my birds do have a bell, however this bell didn't sound like theirs, nor do they ring it in the middle of the night!) Shortly after the bell went off, I herd a baby cry. My thoughts as this was going on. From the bell, This doesn't seem right, I don't think this is what Jesus would do! ( however when something abnormal happens to someone, one starts to think anything could be possible! within reason ) I started to pull out when I herd the bell. Then I saw my husbands hand, and accepted it, I herd a baby cry??? ( My child is 4, he does not cry like a new born baby! ) Then I woke up went to check on my son, sound asleep.!? Sometimes it's hard to tell when I'm awake or still in the OBE. Like I'll think my hands -n- legs are moving around I seem to levitate, it's actually my spiritual one's. I'll keep waking up. I have a hard time just going with the flow. I feel like I have to defend myself?.!
   I've talked to my minister, family, friends, I just don't know what to think 'bout the sexual part??? I stopped allowing it after I was married, so 5 yrs! Do -u- all think I'd be cheating on my husband if I went through with it? It's as real as the physical intimacy!!!
         []Thankz, Complexette / Jamie

quote:Originally posted by upstream

quote:Was it a "self-created" (not by you, by "them") heaven?

Who knows? It seemed extremly real and made me oddly emotional.

Do tell, what seemed extremly real& oddly emotional!?! Thx, Comp
P.ST. F.Y.I; Before I read other replys I give my opinion. That way I know if I'm on track also give my full oppinion or thoughts, without interference!
   So I guess if there's something I've missed, I'll catch it 3 days later!!! [](he,he)

                                      Complexette

quote:Originally posted by izanagi

hey, i'm just wondering if it's possible to project into heaven and if anyone has.. i've heard stories of a couple people in particular going there without dying like this man named onisaburo deguchi one of the founders of omoto kyo. anyways, i believe it's possible but i wonder if it's connected to astral projection. maybe it's something else, i don't know. any answer/insight would be greatly appreciated.

I once arrived in heaven out of what waz like a lucid dream, it waz different than u'r average O.B.E. It waz more like my soul waz having an Out'ta Soul Experience! I was conscious of my O.B.E, didn't break my connection.
   I remember looking to my left. Their waz a large man sitting behind a desk! He said; Jamie, The Jamie! I felt so special!!! Which I believe waz his intention, to let us know that we are all individually important!
   I saw Jesus walking along a path, I joined him as he led me to another meeting. As we walked he placed his hand on my back, At that moment I felt warmth and more love than I'd ever felt in my walking life. As I say this to him, "God the love you have!" We walk into another room, where I meet up with the maker, This is all I should say, for the rest is personal.  
   It waz Thee most beautiful experience in my Soul Life...

Ya know I must tell you what I just thought of, Maybe the Holy Trinity isn't so off.!. Especially if my theory is true, O.S.oul.E .
    "God, conscious?"( How much of our brain do we use, 10%) Son, "Physical Self","Jesus!, (the Heart)" & "Holy Spirit"  I always had a hard time with the Holy Trinity, But I know that I have a soul, conscious & a body all in one, that they do separate at times!!! HMMMMM                            Take Care, Complexette


May the sun rise to meet -U-.!.

quote:Originally posted by Joshua

quote:Surely the sigularity cannot be the end of it especially since we now know that energy cannot be destroyed, it is used in other ways.

The sigularity isn't the end of it:D Stephan hawking showed that black holes essentially "evaporate". Because of quantum uncertainty particles can't make up their mind if they're going faster than light or slower than light so the ones that decide to go faster escape:D Eventually the black hole will lose so much mass that it can't stay a black hole anyone then it violently explodes again just like it did to become a black hole:) You have to love the violence of the universe!

quote:While we may like to think we could use black holes for their possible wormhole abilities, what would be the point when nothing we can build will stand up to the physics inside the Hole ?

They're new theories that have been proposed about "baby universes" (I'm a big fan of stephan hawkings as this is another one of his theories) Black holes can pinch off portions of reality to create a seperate and independant universe which will one day be violently destroyed as the baby universe relinks with the main one

Maybe it has to do with all the Hot air we let out!?! As to if the black hole comes our way?!?

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Rare discovery is 10 billion times larger than sun

A team of astronomers have found a colossal black hole so ancient, they're not sure how it had enough time to grow to its current size, about 10 billion times the mass of the sun.

Sitting at the heart of a distant galaxy, the black hole appears to be about 12.7 billion years old, which means it formed just one billion years after the universe began and is one of the oldest supermassive black holes ever known.

The black hole, researchers said, is big enough to hold 1,000 of our own Solar Systems and weighs about as much as all the stars in the Milky Way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5318411/

   Awe the back bone of the night, The Milky Way! Just as the people in this world fight for their right,,, to be just that!!!?  So as to others, In a different realm???
   
   Ever after we have carried it with us, We have a flame mother to feed the flame so it doesn't die out. Flame is a wonder, useful, surely a gift from powerful beings. As lightning produces fire in a storm. Only the Flame is bright, because it's already produced.

   So this black hole is too big for our understanding? Are we near sighted or far sighted?  Maybe we can't see the details of this black hole until we are upon it? Comparable to death? So not to know its sight until we are there, for a reason.?! With the gravitational influence, it's very noticeable back here on earth. This black hole could contain magnetic pole that has already been here, in a different earth as we know it.??  May the force be with us,,, Complexette[]
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quote:Originally posted by happy_notion

Hello fellow avid travelers..(although i have yet to embark on a truly rememerable projection). My father is a professor and he believes that there is logic behind everything and that the scientific method can prove anything. Well we've been in a discussion (on and off) about parapsychology and mainly astral travel in my case...and well..he keeps informing me how it isn't real...and i really want to believe and know it is real...although i am still skeptical...I've had all these symptoms which people keep describing...(mainly robert bruce)..as the brink of exit. Un-counterable spinning...paralysis...stiff body..etc. And i was telling him that if none of th is was real why would people post topics about
stuff relating to it...and why would someone like robert bruce go through all the trouble to write that boook? well those books? To screw us all in to believing something and wasting our time and money? Please..all I need is some clarity...someone tell me the truth and let me know what is really happening....thanks

Happy Notion,,,


   Well, I've also been very skeptical for the past 13 years or sooooo!!! Achieving OBE many times a night, I fought it for "OH 13 years!!!" I've finally proved it to myself [], through self test's that what is happening is spiritually true, And not physically possible!  I very rarely travel, generally I levitate in my room if I leave my body! Though I may FEEL the OBE vibrations and other, I excuse it as a dream, cause it's to difficult to explain " as physically possible!  So beyond my occasional dabbling in the intriguing thought, or conclusion,,, as to why something has happened in this other dimension.!. I typically leave it as that.
   I run on faith & trust that the people I love and trust enough to tell. Accept that within my knowledge what is happening to me when I close my eyes, and push into deep REM or OBE, to be true, and very real to my common sense!     Take Care,,,, Complexette

quote:Originally posted by holy reality

did it feel like your eardrum was throbbing?

I get that when I lie on my sides (or sometimes back) and use energy through the ears.

I've never gotten it while OBEing before though, but I do sometimes get a ringing in my head/ears when suddenly brought into paralysis.

Holy Reality,

   Yes it felt like throbbing sensation in my ear! I started to go with it, then remembered the Star Trek episode with the ear leach, and immediately awoke myself!!! If I'd ever had ear infections or problems I'd write it off as that, but I haven't had any ear problems or anything.
   Why the heck would that happen? Creepy, @  this point I'm open to any suggestions, I'm baffled!!!?              

                                                           Take Care, Complexette

P.S. Thank -u- for taking the time to answer me Holy Reality![]

quote:Originally posted by Yerzak06

do what? i should say junk post to that.

I 2nd that!!!;.),,, Comp

quote:Originally posted by majour ka


Hi complexette,1: I was using the hair standing on end as a way of describing the sensation I was expiriencing in my astral body,

2: dont know about the suppressing or avoiding anything im quite a grouded and well balanced person.. so I would say no, but if I was I wasnt aware of it, the relevence would be what?

3: yes back in my physical body I could see her floating all misty like above the bed for a short while and then she disapeared.

Ive decided that I will only know the answer to this if and when im meant to, the reason for the post was to see if any body had an expirience like that. So whats your verdict M Ka x[?]

Ello Majour KA,

I also have OBE's, hair standing on end is a good description. Wasn't sure if -u- meant physical or spiritual though.

2: don't know about the suppressing or avoiding anything im quite a grouded and well balanced person.. so I would say no, but if I was I wasnt aware of it, the relevence would be what?

   When one suppresses things in their waking life, ideas, thought's, people, action's, ect... It is stored in the subconscious, which is then released in ones sleep. If there waz something going on in ur life @ the time, maybe that would be related, waz my relevance in the matter.!.
Ive decided that I will only know the answer to this if and when im meant to, the reason for the post was to see if any body had an expirience like that. So whats your verdict M Ka x? Ok

   
  Take Care, Complexette

quote:Originally posted by complexette

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

I have read of several people who accomplished OBE's - and decided it was entirely a dream, completely unreal.  Despite the intensity of the experience, they still were able to convince themselves that it is an entirely internal experience fabricated by the mind.

Aaah, free choice.  []

What convinces -u- all 'bout reincarnation??? Thank'zzz Comp[]


   Kiauma,

"think that is a possibility. Another possibility is that, through a combination of a personality with a lot of willpower and focus, and an astral body which is not as tightly bound to it's physical body as in other people, it can happen spontaneously."
   When I waz young, I had a high fever, I almost died several times, as I had said in one of my previous postings, I think this must have had something to do with my OBE'S.?! I think this is where my will power came from!!!

"There is a saying; "Small minds discuss events. Mediocre minds discuss people. Great minds discuss ideas." If you go to other boards you see that a lot of other people's lives are entirely absorbed in the smallest of details, petty annoyances, and displaced jealousies and dependencies. Even where the issues are large, they are usually black/white opinionated, even bigoted. These people are tightly bound to their bodies and their life on earth. For them to surrender their consciousness to a cosmic openness is as foreign as, well, any new idea."

   I have NEVER herd that said SO well!!!  The ideas would then be the solution to the problems, wouldn't -u- agree.. Their the only ones that care enough to sacrifice their own rappore.??
   Isn't that sad that people waste their time & energy in that form...
   There's a saying I know of; Through out your life you'll only be able to count u'r true friends on one hand... Think 'bout that. I'm 27yrs OLD, I've met at least 5000 people in my life, truly shook their hand, looked into their eye's, within 5 secs to 5 min even 5hrs realized that their waz something very different 'bout myself & them. Usually that they put other's down to lift themselves up. or thought themselves higher than everyone. "pathetic" That's my biggest annoyance...
   I do have to extend a Big Thank You Kiauma, my entire life, I've been trying to figure out why people are so close minded.!. It has brought me down too many times. I always thought it waz because they were stubborn, Never being able to give them more than an excuse, but it's more than that. they have one or more of those poor quality's which molds their lives into self gratifying modes..? I do have one saying I've carried with me all these years. " Women that are bitches once they get to the top, have usually sleep their way to the up!!!"


"I think everyone could, with the right attitude and enough energy.  Some people 'naturally' have that."    
   Right on! [] If one gives the right energy, that's what they get back. example; Someone tells -u- something, they ask -u- not to tell anyone! But u'r other friend could profit from this information, Do -u- tell??? If -u- don't the energy -u- would retain might be from having the right attitude.!? I really don't know how true that might be, however I think that would be pretty accurate..!


                             Bunches of thank-z-, Comp[]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

Ive read that thing on several boards over the past few months and believe or not ive read it on the astral pulse before too and I swear to god almighty if that bloody thing gets posted one more time im going to go extremely sodding crazy.

It's not all 'bout -u- OH Great God Of Fire!!! Or maybe it is??? So -u- must be one of the people that it irritates, when someone uses wrong punctuation or miss spelled words. Ya know I have a question for -u-... Does it irritate -u- because those others didn't study as hard as -u- did??? Or How could they miss that, kind of attitude??? Non of the above? Do tell what ur quark is!!!
   Did -u- ever stop and think of why -u- might keep running into it??? Is there something -u- need to learn from it, something to it??   Hence the name,  Complexette[]

quote:Originally posted by thelou

Thanks Kiauma,

I guess it is not about AP.  I could not remember all the words.

Ok complexette, I give?

(Wouldn't mind seeing a naked cow girl floating across my ceiling).[][]

It's "Evanescence, Whisper"
"And I have no comment on the other!!!"[][]

quote:Originally posted by mar10fl

the reason pink floyd was so obsessed with outer space is that they astral projected. there are lots of clues that prove this. sometime, if you have time, listen to the albums 'piper at the gates of dawn' and the best one is 'meddle'.
"a movement is accomplished in six stages, and the seventh brings return" - pertaining to the 7 major dimensions, and when the highest is reached, the time barrier is gone.
"and as i rise above the treetops and clouds..."
just listen to a lot of their stuff they are a good band anyways and roger waters is one of the greatest writers ever in rock n roll.

I have yet another that relates to astral projections!

Can anyone name it before -u- see it???

Catch me as I fall
Say you're here it's all over now
speaking to the atmosphere
No one's here & I fall into myself
This truth drives me into madness
I know I can stop the pain if I will it all away

Don't turn away
Don't give into the pain
Don't try to hide
Though they're screaming u'r name
Don't close u'r eyes
God knows what lies behind them
Don't turn out the light Never sleep never die

I'm frightened by what I see
But somehow I know there's much more to come
immobilized by my fear
And soon to be blinded by tears
I can stop the pain if I will it all away

Anyone???,,, Complexette[]





"Evanescence, Whisper"[]

quote:Originally posted by majour ka

has any one found them selves bieng controlled by some one else whilst projecting ? or has the following happend to any one else!!?

I was minding my own in a deep sleep....when I became aware i was out of body in an imviroment I didnt recognise, and before everyone asks how dya know you where O.B ? Ive been been O.B before, but this was super vived!!

 Anyway I was floating down a beutiful yellow gold road with the greenest trees either side, u get the picture! but with No control of the situation at all!! I was bieng dragged fowards by an invisable force! every hair on my body felt like it was standing on end. I was bieng pulled towards a beutiful building, and was trying to bale out but with to no availe!I just kept going..sucked though the doors, it was at that point I rememberd it had happend the night before and escaped, not this time though, to cut the story short I was met by a woman who seemed as though she had been expecting me I instintivly new she had brought me there, there were others the but i could only focus on her, I had no choice! she just held me frozen in her gaze, then she gave me a message about how glad she was that im here now, where ever that is! at that point it became one of the most beutiful expirences ever and it felt perfect!! she then with out warning released me..what a ruuuuushh!! I woke with a huge gasp and could faintly just make her out in whispy white above me, then vanished. Just to finish off, that episode sparked my intrest in spirituality and seems that some pshycic ability has awoken in me since then.

Majour Ka,

[size=2]"I was being dragged forwards by an invisible force! every hair on my body felt like it was standing on end."[/size=2]
 

   U'r physical body or spiritual body felt the rush.!?


[size=2]"I remembered it had happened the night before and escaped, not this time though,"[/size=2]    How old were -u-? Waz there something in u'r physical life that u'r trying to avoid??? Maybe this spiritual experience waz somehow related to u'r physical life. In other words would -u- have keeping something subconscious in -ur- every day life, that would've led to thus experience??? ( Just for -u- to think 'bout, less -u- want to share )

"she then with out warning released me..what a ruuuuushh!! I woke with a huge gasp and could faintly just make her out in whispy white above me, then vanished."
   

   So if I understand -u- correctly? While in u'r physical body, after waking from the experience, -u- saw her whisk away from above -u- in u'r physical body??? Did -u- recognize this lady? Did -u- grasp the meaning of ur experience?!.

   Take Care, Complexette[]

quote:Originally posted by Yerzak06

Maybe it has something to do with people who dream alot. Like i used to dream i could fly alot when i was really young, it seemed so real i would try to as soon as i woke up. I thing there is a close tie between dreamers and projectors.

Yerzak06,

"Maybe it has something to do with people who dream alot. Like i used to dream i could fly alot when i was really young, it seemed so real i would try to as soon as i woke up. I thing there is a close tie between dreamers and projectors."

   You -r- correct on that thunkle,,! Ya know when I waz around 12yrs old I had what I consider my first experience. It waz from a frightening dream, they must have been Lucid dreams. I remember seeing myself on my bed, and being able to think while in that realm, which surprised me that I could think in an OBE, spiritual form,,, not a dream, in a dream U- u'r self don't feel the third person reaction or thoughts.!. Right.!?



           TTFN,  Complexette[]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

I have read of several people who accomplished OBE's - and decided it was entirely a dream, completely unreal.  Despite the intensity of the experience, they still were able to convince themselves that it is an entirely internal experience fabricated by the mind.

Aaah, free choice.  []

   Kiauma,

"think that is a possibility. Another possibility is that, through a combination of a personality with a lot of willpower and focus, and an astral body which is not as tightly bound to it's physical body as in other people, it can happen spontaneously."
   When I waz young, I had a high fever, I almost died several times, as I had said in one of my previous postings, I think this must have had something to do with my OBE'S.?! I think this is where my will power came from!!!

"There is a saying; "Small minds discuss events. Mediocre minds discuss people. Great minds discuss ideas." If you go to other boards you see that a lot of other people's lives are entirely absorbed in the smallest of details, petty annoyances, and displaced jealousies and dependencies. Even where the issues are large, they are usually black/white opinionated, even bigoted. These people are tightly bound to their bodies and their life on earth. For them to surrender their consciousness to a cosmic openness is as foreign as, well, any new idea."

   I have NEVER herd that said SO well!!!  The ideas would then be the solution to the problems, wouldn't -u- agree.. Their the only ones that care enough to sacrifice their own rappore.??
   Isn't that sad that people waste their time & energy in that form...
   There's a saying I know of; Through out your life you'll only be able to count u'r true friends on one hand... Think 'bout that. I'm 27yrs OLD, I've met at least 5000 people in my life, truly shook their hand, looked into their eye's, within 5 secs to 5 min even 5hrs realized that their waz something very different 'bout myself & them. Usually that they put other's down to lift themselves up. or thought themselves higher than everyone. "pathetic" That's my biggest annoyance...
   I do have to extend a Big Thank You Kiauma, my entire life, I've been trying to figure out why people are so close minded.!. It has brought me down too many times. I always thought it waz because they were stubborn, Never being able to give them more than an excuse, but it's more than that. they have one or more of those poor quality's which molds their lives into self gratifying modes..? I do have one saying I've carried with me all these years. " Women that are bitches once they get to the top, have usually sleep their way to the up!!!"


"I think everyone could, with the right attitude and enough energy.  Some people 'naturally' have that."    
   Right on! [] If one gives the right energy, that's what they get back. example; Someone tells -u- something, they ask -u- not to tell anyone! But u'r other friend could profit from this information, Do -u- tell??? If -u- don't the energy -u- would retain might be from having the right attitude.!? I really don't know how true that might be, however I think that would be pretty accurate..!


                             Bunches of thank-z-, Comp[]

quote:Originally posted by LogoRat

I think that the more you practice on something, the more it gets pulled into your subconscious mind.
So the more you do it, the better you get at it.
And after a while you dont need to focus on every little detail to get what you want.

These "naturals" are people who have had lives before where they have learned this, and their subconscious mind allready have the patterns installed for the person to use.
Its not that they are better or anything, its just that they have practiced more..in other lifetimes.

People like me however, needs to focus really much if we want to learn it. Because there are so much stuff around us that wants our attention, and we tend to go that way really easy if we dont focus enough.

Until you have it in your sobconscious, you really need to focus...really really focus on it.

I think that the more you practice on something, the more it gets pulled into your subconscious mind."

   I've been told that if -u- slightly think, ( not talk ) of the experience 3 or 4 times a day, u'll keep it in u'r subconscious mind. Hence when we sleep this is the part of the brain we use, thoughts that didn't get completely thought thru, submerge when we sleep.!!

"Its not that they are better or anything, its just that they have practiced more..in other lifetimes."

   Ya know I just really have a hard time believing in past lives. I've tried, some of it makes sense, but my logic kicks in and sais, if -u- can't see it it's not real. Of course now the things that happen to me ( OBE'S ), it took me up until well, recently to really acknowledge its truency. Knowing that I'm not crazy, 'cause their's others that have experienced the same things.

Thank-u- for u'r comment'z, Comp[]

quote:Originally posted by Logic

Some people are good at somethings, others have to practice. The same goes for everything, astral projection isn't special, its just not as well known as other things..

Logic & Thing,
   My thought is it's kinda like an invention, some come across idea's more often than other's. One could be destine, while others couldn't handle what they see? or could it be everybody's destiny, just a matter of running across the idea???   Or as -u- said Thing remembering it, if someone hasen't ever known of this, they might think it was just a real cool dream!!!                                   Take Care,,,Complexette[]

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin


Hi,
Complexette you asked, "Do we judge a Religion, based on the actions of its people???"  The short answer would be Yes, because the actions show how that belief system is operating within human groups.  

"I'd like to learn more 'bout core issue removals. Is it more a physiological issue?"  It's an effective tool for removing our deepest fear-based issues, they are the ones we run to sabotage ourselves and prevent ourselves from fully succeeding.  

"I can't help but wonder if someone or thing has purposely put me in that vibration, in fear that I would succeed."  Yes, you did.  Most of us people do.  Our greatest fear is not failure, it is Success.

"Do -u- Remote View?" I played with it for a while.  Now I send out my focused attention like that only to touch people who I want to call me or to see how a person I am concerned about is doing.

"See when u'r spirit has low vibration, it seeps in to u'r physical world & affects it there also." Being physical in the physical world creates the low vibration, as we disconnect ourselves from the energy flow we have as Spirit.  An easy remedy to this is opening up to the Light a couple of times a day, particularly if you are feeling drained.  You can read about how in my Homepage if you'd like by clicking on the Homepage link at the top of this post.

I can't seem to remember the name of the book about Jack Davey's story.  Next time I am in town I will check it at the library.

Love Always.[]

Tayesin,
   Sorry it took me so long to get back to -u-!!! I appreciate all of u'r suggestion's -n- help on the matter.

My thought on asking  that question:

Do we judge a Religion, based on the actions of its people???" The short answer would be Yes, because the actions show how that belief system is operating within human groups.

With how much crime that goes on in America, And the way people would act when they think they won't get caught.!. Just makes me take a look from the outside, Sad..
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" Being physical in the physical world creates the low vibration, as we disconnect ourselves from the energy flow we have as Spirit.

   So is that why low vibrational being's ( demon's ) may be seen more often than Angle's? It could be as difficult for angel's to lower their vibration, as it is for us to bring ours up, into the higher dimension's.

I'll do some checking on Jack Davey also... If -u- find out before me, be sure to say something!!!                                           Thank-z- again,,, Comp[]

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

Pretty cool, never seen that before.  I was a little suprised to find that I had no trouble reading it at all, which I guess varifies what it says.  Not really useful, but it took a couple seconds out of my bordom.

Well good! Glad I could bring -u- from bordom for a few!!! I waz also surprised @ how quickly I could read it! Just put this in here to show people what their physical minds are able to do!?!
Comp[]lexette