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Hi,

Well, first of all I was not sure where to put this thread, I hope it's fine here..

Alright, I have been reading really much about all this "stuff" (OBE, Ouija-boards , pendulum, -> having contact with ghosts etc.). I tried having an OBE for a pretty long time, but I never made it.. (But I was close I guess - Had an OBE Dream, one morning I had vibrations, ... ) . But anyways, after I read about all this (ghosts, paranormal things, astral travelling)it has become the most interesting thing there is for me.. And I really want to have at least one paranormal encouter in my life.. I read about people saying they see strange creatures standing around their bed at night, people seeing ghosts and so on .. Its probably really scary, but I want it

So, I read about Ouija-Boards .. That seems to be an easy and fast way.. Can you do it alone? Is there anything better/easier/faster (to contact ghosts) ?
It would be awesome if somebody helped me to have my first paranormal encounter

Thanks

Hi guys

Well... I have been trying to OBE for a long time now and I never did it, unfortunately

Few days ago I read about a very simple technique that worked for some people.. Well, at least I thought it was simple:

When you are relaxed and somewhat tired in bed, start breathing deep and count your breaths .. So you concentrate on your breaths.
I tried this..

I was pretty tired .. So I went to bed and started counting my breaths. And when I was at 10 (ten!) , this happened to me:
Some thought just popped into my head, I also heard voices .. This stuff happens pretty often to me when I go to bed.. So, That thought just popped into my head.. It lasted for like 1-2 seconds. After that I just thought "wow.." and forgot where I was.. After like 5 seconds of thinking I remembered: I was at 10.

So I continued counting and this stuff happened to me more and more times.. This was actually pretty cool
And, well, thats all I can remember.. Must have fallen asleep while counting, or just stopped counting and fell asleep.. I dont know

now, what does this mean? Is this a good sign or something? Can it help me having an OBE in some way? Or is it just "nothing" ?

Oh, and if somebody has a technique thats not too hard to do (I absolutely cant completely "clean" my head of all thoughts and visualize or concentrate on something.. So this would be hard for me ).. I'm always open for new (easy) techniques


thanks

Hi all

Well.. I will try to make it as short as possible

My family and me will probably move to a new house in a few weeks/months .. Today, we were having a look the house. I went in and I really wanted to have my room in the basement, so i went there. I went down and as soon as i finished walking down the stairs, it was like a cold shower was running down my back: "What the hell, I have already seen this before."
And i remembered: A year (or even years.. not quite sure) ago, I had a dream that I cant remember perfectly, but I know i dreamed that I was moving to a new house and that I lived in exact that basement.
I never thought about this dream since I had it.. It was like i forgot it. Now it was really my first thought when I saw that basement.. just like it popped into my head.
I dont know why I am telling you this.. I just find it exciting as hell and felt the need to tell this somebody. I just wish I could remember more from that dream.

Thanks for reading[]

Hi everybody

well.. last night I dreamed that I was in a big room and didnt know what to do.. So I layed down on the floor and fell asleep in the dream.. so I was sleeping in a dream. Then I wook up in the dream and had a dream.. this might sound kinda confusing.. I dreamed in a dream.
And that dream in the dream was in exact the same room i fell asleep in my dream and i thought 'Wait, isnt this the room i fell asleep in? I must be dreaming! This must be a lucid dream!" then i started walking and I was feeling vibrations i think.. Then suddenly, in that lucid dream I got from falling asleep in a dream, my brother came to me and started to annoy me.. it was like he was trying to get me out of that lucid dream and I must have "forgotten" that this is MY dream and thought he was real or something.. I shouted at him 'Stop this! I am having a lucid dream dont destroy it for me' but then I woke up.

Now.. I think I didnt really know I had a lucid dream because I thought the "reality" would be that big room i fell asleep in, but that was a dream.. I hope you guys understand what I mean.

so, my questions:

Was this a lucid dream or not?

and

why the hell did my brother appear in that dream to wake me up? Doesnt our brain like it when we have a lucid dream (if it was a lucid dream..) or something?

thanks[]

hey guys

something strange happened to me the last night.. I don't know what it was so I hope somebody here can help me[]

so.. It was pretty late (around 10 pm) when I came home.. I didnt know what to do so I just sat on my couch and somehow fell asleep.. Later I wake up and it's like 1 am.. I say to myself 'go to bed' and that's what I did.. I went to my bed and then I just started thinking about having an OBE.. I didn't try to have one for a week or so now but I didn't want to try any methods.. Actually I kinda have my own method: Just find that damn sleep border.. But I didn't do anything else about it.. I just noticed that I'm pretty awake and probably won't sleep easy.. like 3 hours ago I was tired as hell (and slept) now I'm more awake and don't think I can really sleep.. Well, whatever.. I thought that I will just fall asleep and it won't take too long.. Now I didn't think about anything related to OBEs anymore.. Everything I thought was 'everything I have to do is actually finding the sleep border' but that was it.. Well, and I think I found that sleep border last night, without really doing anything for it.. It was damn awesome
I was lying in my bed.. Half sleep half awake.. It was strange.. I knew I'm lying in my bed but somehow I was dreaming but it was like I'm lying in my bed all the time and am fully alert.. Kind of hard to describe.. Dreaming but not dreaming.. More like 'short dreams' that just pop up for a few seconds or something like that.. Well, and then it happened: Suddenly it got f*cking loud in my head and I heard voices (I think that I also heard my brother's voice.. But he wasn't in my room at that moment) and it was really like my head was going to explode.. It just happened from one to another second.. It was so loud I couldn't believe it and just thought 'ok, what the hell?' And then the most exciting thing for me started: I think I felt a little vibrations, but that's not it: It was like my whole body is throbbing really hard.. Like somebody is hammering REALLY hard on me.. It was a unpleasant feeling.. It didn't hurt but somehow it did.. hard do describe.. And when that started I didn't think anything.. I had one thought when this started.. I didn't wonder what that was (well, now I do[]) I just thought: 'excrement, could this be an OBE?' And I kinda started concentrating on that hard throbbing of my body.. then it dissappeared .. I thought 'ok, maybe I shouldn't think about that throbbing..'.. Then it came back and I tried to think about other stuff.. it lasted longer, then dissappeared.. then it came again.. I thought about other stuff again and it became REALLY hard and lasted pretty long.. then, dissapeared.. I think I was just too excited or something like that.. And almost all the time I somehow thought about calling my brother to tell him what just happened/happens to me.. But I couldn't call him.. probably because I just didn't want to interrput that feeling



now a few questions:
well, ok, first.. Please excuse any bad english (if it is[]) .. I'm german


1) Why the hell did this feeling appear?
2) Could it be that I just dreamed that feeling? I'm not sure if I dreamed it or not.. and even if I dreamed it, could it mean something related to OBE?
3) finally, is that one of the feelings you have before having an OBE?

Would be really nice if somebody answered my questions..

thanks alot[]

Hey guys..

Well.. My question is:
Are there any methods for people who cant really visualize or concentrate really hard?
I'm asking because I can't really visualize, concentrate and so on.. I mean, of course I can but it's not enough for having an obe .. Like I can't clear my mind.. Many methods say 'visualize, have all your concentration on what you visualize' etc.. Well, my problem is when I try to move all my concentration to that stuff I visualize there are still thoughts in my head I can't get rid of.. And there is always that thought saying: 'I have to forget my body and move all my concentration to that thing I visualize and forget everything else'
and so I will never forget about my body, never forget everything else and never move ALL my concentration to that thing I visualize and neutralize all other thoughts..
So, are there any methods for APing that work without visualizing and/or concentrating really hard and forgetting about your body and stuff?

I already know two..

1) The insomnia method .. Just go to bed and stay awake no matter what
but I always fall asleep.. And it would take hours and thats pretty exhausting..

2) Interrupted sleep method
I never tried it before but I will try it on the night from friday to saturday.. I'm not sure how it works, so could anybody please tell me if this is correct: ?

Go to bed
set alarm clock to a few hours before I usually stand up
get up and stay up for a hour
go to bed again
and now what? Just sleep?

It would be nice if somebody helped me with that interrupted sleep method.. And it would be also nice if somebody told me some more methods that don't need any concentration or something like that (if there are any)



thanks[]

hey guys

I have been trying to AP for some days but it never worked.. I tried listening to 2 sounds (they're called Deep Mind Ultra 2 and Tommi's Vibration Starter (for brainwave generator) ) and they didn't do anything to me.. Many people write that they had vibrations and stuff with these sounds but I didn't had anything.. I just experienced 2 things with tommi's vibration starter.. One was like I was flying for a short time (But I'm sure this doesnt have anything to do with an OBE.. It wasnt like flying out of my body) and the other feeling was kinda strange.. It was like some pieces of my head were moving.. Hard to describe.. Like my head would be water and not the whole head is moving but some spots on it.. It sometimes felt like my headphones were "sliding" a little bit but they didnt.. What does that mean?

Can somebody please recommend me a REALLY good "sound" to listen to when going to bed for APing (mp3 or Brainwave Generator file)? Because I think without sound I wouldn't make it.. Cause im a beginner
or/and some good techniques for beginners? Like what I should do while listening to a sound?


thanks alot

Hi all...

well, I tried this method now and unfortunately it didnt work.. But of course I will try again. (Note: I didnt use earplugs)
I did it like this:

Go to bed at midnight
set alarm clock to 6 am (usually stand up at 8 am)
then I wook up at 6 am but didnt stand up or anything.. Just fell asleep again - am I supposed to stand up?
set the alarm clock for 8 am
wook up -- and I never fell asleep between the 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 minutes gaps.. what can I do here?
I just know I was shocked every time the alarm went off and that I had a very clear dream (maybe I fell asleep once.. or maybe even more, just dont know about it?) ... It was that the alarm went off and my mother came in and asked me what the hell I am doing with all the alarm.. Then she left my room again and my brother came in and asked me if the method worked (I told him the day before that I will try this method) and I told him the same I wrote here now.
Man, why did I forget to do a reality check here ? []
was that dream a good sign for me? I mean, if I didnt forget to make a reality check in that dream I would have been able to project, no?

Thanks

Ok, thanks.. I will try this tonight (right now it's 15.14 MET ) and then post my results tomorrow

I never had an concious OBE before so I'm willing to try everything[]

Hi,

This sounds very interesting.. but I have one question: Is it absolutely necessary to put in earplugs? Because I dont have any earplugs.. couldnt I just roll paper and put it in my ears (if this is really necessary)?


thanks

hey upstream, what do you know when you catch yourself forgetting what u were just doing? What does it tell you?

I'm asking because I have that pretty often when I go to bed... Just start to think about something and a second later I forgot what I was thinking.. And often there are also thoughts that just "pop" into my head.. like words or sometimes even a whole sentence.. (they make little to absolutely no sense) what does this mean?


thanks []

anyone?

how can I find out what aura I have?

ok, thanks []

I will post my results tomorrow

Hmm, I have one more question about the interrupted sleep method:

Do you HAVE TO go to bed at 9 or 10 pm? Because I usually go to bed at midnight.. I'm just not tired enough to go to bed earlier
Then I would sleep like 4 hours and stand up at 4 am.. and go back to bed at 5 pm

So, will it still work if i go to bed at midnight?


thanks

@nitetravler

thanks, I'll try that tonight

@thelou

that sounds good and actually pretty easy.. I think i'm gonna do this everyday because here where I'm sitting I have a white wall with some black dots on it.. I will just pick a bigger one and stare at it
actually I dont trust such easier methods.. But oh well, I will just do it []

@mar10fl

well yeah, that's the other problem.. I can't do that neither.. If I (try to) imagine the feeling of climbing a rope.. no matter what I do, I just don't get that feeling of climbing a rope


thanks for helping me guys[]

well, for me visualization is just what it says.. To visualize something
like the rope method.. visualize that I climb a rope..
just to picture something in one's mind's eye

I hope you understand what I mean

congrats[]

I will have a longer weekend this week (thursday, friday, saturday, sunday free [] ) and that means I will try it 4 nights[^]
I already tried it 4 times but I always fell asleep.. But I'm sure I didn't try as hard as I can because I just went to bed saying to myself "well yeah, whatever, just stay awake" and thought about staying awake and OBE and stuff but soon I think I just stopped thinking and passed out [xx(]
I find it awesome that I just can't remember why I fell asleep and what happened before it[]

Well, I guess I'll try harder this weekend and then post my experiences []
and I never had a concious OBE before (just a dream about having an OBE.. maybe it was half dream-half OBE?[] ) so this is gonna be pretty interesting if it works for me.. I'm sure I wouldn't stay out long because I would just get too excited and maybe even scared..

Well, we will see


I have a question to all people who astral projected by the way..

I often read that people see some creatures standing around their sleeping body and looking at it.. Is this true?
If yes, why do they do that? Are they evil?

I'm asking that because I think that would be almost the only thing that could scare me about having an OBE.. I think it would scare the excrement out of me to see strange creatures/shadows standing around my body and looking at it.. But oh well, I will still (try to[]) astral project []

congrats again lou [8D]

try this method: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11902 []

quote:Originally posted by thelou

MadroX wrote

quote:All the time in my dream (except when I flew out of the window) I was together with my sister, brother and a friend of my brother.. And before I went to bed I was walking in an underground station together with my sister, my brother and a friend of my brother

Have you asked your sister or brother if they had any dreams that night? [] If not it would be interesting to find out if they had any dreams that were similar.  There are allot of discussions on other parts of this board where people talk about sharing dreams.

well, my brother told me that he dreamed that he was lying in his bed and almost had an OBE but didn't have one (by the way, he doesn't really believe in OBEs).. Could that have to do something with my dream?
I don't know about my sister, tho.. She doesn't even know about stuff like OBEs

by the way, I dreamed that my brother had an OBE as well and we were traveling together (with my sister and a friend of my brother.. But I can't remember if they were out of body aswell, but I know me and my brother were out of body)

quote:Originally posted by Dream Cadet

MaDroX,

I have OBE'd twice when the event started out as a dream.  In one dream lying in bed with my wife (just lying there)[:I].  We were on display in front of a Walmart.  They had the little posts with the plastic chains around the area and people were standing out there just looking at us. I remember when I woke up how funny this seemed. At one point in the dream, I turned to say something to my wife and very intense vibrations went all through me. I knew I was about to exit. Next I was trying to get out of my body and something was covering me.  Then I heard a loud bang and I entered a formal gathering in which the people were waiting for me. A lady sitting at a table in a black dress with a red corsage said we have been expecting you.  They asked some questions that I could not remember when I got back.  There was no doubt this was an OBE.

Do you remember experiencing any sensations before exit?  I would not totally rule out an AP.  Especially if the dream environment changed in texture and clarity.


D.C.

The dream environment was very different.. When I flew in that dream, I know I flew over some of neighbour houses and there were other houses that are not there for real
and It was like I would jump out of a window of my house (maybe even out of the window in the room I sleep.. I'm not sure, but could be) and not out of a window of an underground station.. plus there is no underground station close to my house.. I don't know how it is when you astral project, so I actually can't say if it was a dream or not.. But somehow I would still say it was a dream[?]

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom

quote:Originally posted by MaDroX

[another sensation I had while dreaming (never had this before in a dream I think):

All the time, I felt cold shivers running down my back (so I had goose-flesh all the time)

Do you have an idea where they could have come from?

Those sensations come very close in describing to my pre-exit sensations. I never have them during an OBE, but I think it's very significant you experienced them during the 'dream'

hmm, that sounds interesting.. Heh, I really can't wait until I try this again next weekend[]

thelou,
as far as I can remember that dream, I started in a underground station (<--subway) , so there was no chance for me to glance back at my bed []

But I don't think this was a real OBE.. Because there was something dream-typical:

All the time in my dream (except when I flew out of the window[]) I was together with my sister, brother and a friend of my brother.. And before I went to bed I was walking in an underground station together with my sister, my brother and a friend of my brother[]
so my dream just 'remembered' that stuff and I dreamed it.. Of course there were maaaany differences, just like I was in my astral body.. although I don't know how it came that I knew i'm in my astral body.. I just knew it

Oh well, let's hope I will get out for real next weekend[]

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom

Madrox: What does it mean when you dream about having an OBE? I have been reading about OBEs since 5 weeks or so now and this was my first dream that made me think I'm having an OBE right now in my dream.. When I woke up I was like "what the hell, did I just project?"
But my answer was "no" because many things in that dream we're a bit too "crazy" (not exactly crazy, let's just say strange) .. But I can remember many things from that dream.. And I loved the ending, I think I never experienced such a great feeling in any dream ever:

Me: I look at OBE dreams as actual OBE's with no lucidity. They tend to be different (more crazy things as you mention), since there appwears to be more interference from the dreaming mind that starts to bleed through in the experience. Eventually everyone makes up their own mind about the significance of these 'OBE dreams'.

The feeling you describe is very much an OBE feeling I think.



another question:
When you project for real, can you fly out of a window high in the sky and look down at all the houses and everything just like I did in my dream? If yes, it would make me even more want to astral project.. I just can't forget that feeling, it was just great and I think it was very enormous for a dream

Yep []

ok, thanks

another sensation I had while dreaming (never had this before in a dream I think):

All the time, I felt cold shivers running down my back (so I had goose-flesh all the time)

Do you have an idea where they could have come from?

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom

quote:Originally posted by MaDroX

Ok, I tried this method Friday and Saturday night, but both times I fell asleep[]
But I had a nice OBE dream saturday night (which mad me think i really Astral projected [!]


well, I'll keep trying

That's great Madrox. Not fully lucid while OBEing and experiencing it in a dream, but it gets pretty close.

What does it mean when you dream about having an OBE? I have been reading about OBEs since 5 weeks or so now and this was my first dream that made me think I'm having an OBE right now in my dream.. When I woke up I was like "what the hell, did I just project?"
But my answer was "no" because many things in that dream we're a bit too "crazy" (not exactly crazy, let's just say strange) .. But I can remember many things from that dream.. And I loved the ending, I think I never experienced such a great feeling in any dream ever:

I looked out of a window and I knew I'm in my astral body, so I could fly if I wanted.. So I just said to myself: "Hell ,yes, I want to fly"
then I just jumped out of that window and began to fly high in the sky looking down at all the houses.. That was just a GREAT feeling I will never forget.. It was wonderful
well, then after a few seconds of flying I fell down, the feeling vanished [] and then I can still remember I saw this text in front of me:

OBE Time: 4 minutes 58 seconds

well, yeah, whatever[]

another question:
When you project for real, can you fly out of a window high in the sky and look down at all the houses and everything just like I did in my dream? If yes, it would make me even more want to astral project.. I just can't forget that feeling, it was just great and I think it was very enormous for a dream

Can't wait to try this method again next weekend.. I will try as hard as i can[]

Ok, I tried this method Friday and Saturday night, but both times I fell asleep[]
But I had a nice OBE dream saturday night (which mad me think i really Astral projected [!]


well, I'll keep trying