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Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Astral under the microscope (would like everyone to help out)
February 15, 2007, 00:27:03 #2
Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Astral under the microscope (would like everyone to help out)
February 14, 2007, 13:46:56
Here's the deal, I have heard so many people say such diverse, unique and occasionally plain silly things, that I have decided to do some solid research and see if I can't draw up some parallels.
What I want is for everyone to give a brief description (as brief as possible) of what Astral projection is *like* to them. Note, ASTRAL projection, not Etherial, not Mystical, not OBE, not Mental plane. I'm only interested in gaining a better understanding of the Astral plane itself.
I am talking about images, feelings, extra senses, how you visualize it (I.E as a physical or virtual world, or perhaps something more heavenly). I would like to know what method you use, what experiences you have had (again, let's keep it brief, after all we have the whole forum for exploring those individual matters in detail, I'm just looking for an overview).
And also fighting, if any of you use that ::roleplaying:: method to practice fighting while online, or if you simply see is as a physical fight in your mind, or perhaps you see nothing and it is merely a matter of deploying your energy to clash with your opponents. Is fighting even necessary for you? What about demons, parasites, natives, vamps and other projectors?
Do you project dualy, remaining aware in this world and in that world in some bipolar state of awareness, or are you perhaps colocative with an entire life in some other world that may or may not be the Astral. Do you have to be meditating or can you leave yourself on physical autopilot while you navigate the Astral consciously? Or is it more like a dream where you only remember it afterwards?
To give you some idea of what kind of context I am looking for in replies, I'll go first... but since I am clearly compiling research to better understand the Astral, I think it goes without saying that I am not incredibly experienced at it myself, so forgive me if my example is a little thin.
My example:
I cannot project fully, only partially. I don't do it often, rarely in fact.
I do this by focussing all my intent on entering the Astral vibration, I can achieve it fairly quickly.
I don't see the two worlds overlayed, I see by transferring my attention to the Astral world, and thus leaving my physical body on a very simple kind of autopilot, which can break easily. My perception is very poor, I don't see much, and what I do is is open to interpretation, and occasionally mixes with imagination or expectation.
I visualize the Astral as a dark void, in which I am moving in a diembodied state of floating. I navigate by willing myself in whatever direction I choose.
I am able to hone in on a target pretty much instantly, provided I can recognize their energy signature, can will myself to their side... though my perception is still so limited that whatever I see is unreliable, and for all I know I might not even be there.
I have had to combat in the past, and I do so by focusing my emotions into intent. For example, aiming a sense of anger at the target, and consciously intending it to be an attack. I cannot make any claims of great victories because my perception is too limited for me to fully understand how it turns out. I don't make a habit of it.
Summary: I project with ease but am unable to do so properly. I visualize the Astral as a place, and I see it only with visual sight, no other senses including sound play a part in my visualization. I often see it as physical. Things progress in a linear pattern. I am aware of the fact that since it is not a physical plane, there is no such thing as space, time, or light in the Astral, and that everything I see is just a visualization.
That would be the kind of statement I would like to get from everyone, only conveying their own unique perspective. I would even like to see staff members and forum elders getting involved here, I'm really not asking much, just a few lines from each of you that outlines your general beliefs, experience and perspective. The more you tell me the better I can fit it all together, and I hope to compile an article at some point in the future with my findings.
This isn't just for my benefit either, it's for yours. I'm sure we all have the same occasional doubts: "Is this Astral stuff real or am I just kidding myself/dreaming/wishful thinking or even crazy", and while we could all read every single thread here... well that's a lot of heavy reading... and this one could save a lot of time. If everyone contributes, we can end up with a valuable collage of bitesize information on the Astral, and the more perspectives we experience the greater our own understanding will be.
I would be very grateful to anyone who participates. Remember, it's the Astral I'm studying here, anything else wouldn't count. But we could always set up extra threads for the other forms of projection, we'll see how this one goes first.
Thank you for your time.
The Founder
What I want is for everyone to give a brief description (as brief as possible) of what Astral projection is *like* to them. Note, ASTRAL projection, not Etherial, not Mystical, not OBE, not Mental plane. I'm only interested in gaining a better understanding of the Astral plane itself.
I am talking about images, feelings, extra senses, how you visualize it (I.E as a physical or virtual world, or perhaps something more heavenly). I would like to know what method you use, what experiences you have had (again, let's keep it brief, after all we have the whole forum for exploring those individual matters in detail, I'm just looking for an overview).
And also fighting, if any of you use that ::roleplaying:: method to practice fighting while online, or if you simply see is as a physical fight in your mind, or perhaps you see nothing and it is merely a matter of deploying your energy to clash with your opponents. Is fighting even necessary for you? What about demons, parasites, natives, vamps and other projectors?
Do you project dualy, remaining aware in this world and in that world in some bipolar state of awareness, or are you perhaps colocative with an entire life in some other world that may or may not be the Astral. Do you have to be meditating or can you leave yourself on physical autopilot while you navigate the Astral consciously? Or is it more like a dream where you only remember it afterwards?
To give you some idea of what kind of context I am looking for in replies, I'll go first... but since I am clearly compiling research to better understand the Astral, I think it goes without saying that I am not incredibly experienced at it myself, so forgive me if my example is a little thin.
My example:
I cannot project fully, only partially. I don't do it often, rarely in fact.
I do this by focussing all my intent on entering the Astral vibration, I can achieve it fairly quickly.
I don't see the two worlds overlayed, I see by transferring my attention to the Astral world, and thus leaving my physical body on a very simple kind of autopilot, which can break easily. My perception is very poor, I don't see much, and what I do is is open to interpretation, and occasionally mixes with imagination or expectation.
I visualize the Astral as a dark void, in which I am moving in a diembodied state of floating. I navigate by willing myself in whatever direction I choose.
I am able to hone in on a target pretty much instantly, provided I can recognize their energy signature, can will myself to their side... though my perception is still so limited that whatever I see is unreliable, and for all I know I might not even be there.
I have had to combat in the past, and I do so by focusing my emotions into intent. For example, aiming a sense of anger at the target, and consciously intending it to be an attack. I cannot make any claims of great victories because my perception is too limited for me to fully understand how it turns out. I don't make a habit of it.
Summary: I project with ease but am unable to do so properly. I visualize the Astral as a place, and I see it only with visual sight, no other senses including sound play a part in my visualization. I often see it as physical. Things progress in a linear pattern. I am aware of the fact that since it is not a physical plane, there is no such thing as space, time, or light in the Astral, and that everything I see is just a visualization.
That would be the kind of statement I would like to get from everyone, only conveying their own unique perspective. I would even like to see staff members and forum elders getting involved here, I'm really not asking much, just a few lines from each of you that outlines your general beliefs, experience and perspective. The more you tell me the better I can fit it all together, and I hope to compile an article at some point in the future with my findings.
This isn't just for my benefit either, it's for yours. I'm sure we all have the same occasional doubts: "Is this Astral stuff real or am I just kidding myself/dreaming/wishful thinking or even crazy", and while we could all read every single thread here... well that's a lot of heavy reading... and this one could save a lot of time. If everyone contributes, we can end up with a valuable collage of bitesize information on the Astral, and the more perspectives we experience the greater our own understanding will be.
I would be very grateful to anyone who participates. Remember, it's the Astral I'm studying here, anything else wouldn't count.
But we could always set up extra threads for the other forms of projection, we'll see how this one goes first.Thank you for your time.
The Founder
#3
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Atlantis
January 20, 2005, 10:47:15
How do they know what the origional dimensions are? 
#4
Welcome to Astral Chat! / The Child-Hero and the Demon War
January 20, 2005, 10:45:08
Sounds like hear-say. Can't be sure though
Anyway, it is not fear that leads me to saying these things my friend it is experience, yeah sure demons are alwyas nice and loyal as long as you have soemthing to offer them, but they're liek the maffia, as soon as things get too demanding their darker sides with show, they will keep on at you, sure there are many who sucesfuly summon and do buisness with demons with no hitches, but when you weigh that against the damage they can do if you happen to get a slightly rowdier demon, it simply isn't worth the risk.
There are many harmless and indeed some peace loving demonic races out there, but when you come across the hell kind, you know it.
The Founder
Anyway, it is not fear that leads me to saying these things my friend it is experience, yeah sure demons are alwyas nice and loyal as long as you have soemthing to offer them, but they're liek the maffia, as soon as things get too demanding their darker sides with show, they will keep on at you, sure there are many who sucesfuly summon and do buisness with demons with no hitches, but when you weigh that against the damage they can do if you happen to get a slightly rowdier demon, it simply isn't worth the risk.
There are many harmless and indeed some peace loving demonic races out there, but when you come across the hell kind, you know it.
The Founder
#5
Welcome to Metaphysics! / I just want to confirm something about my vision.
January 19, 2005, 09:47:08
I also see the light, it if very powerful, I can almost feel it. I'm not sure if it is anything paranormal, my eyes are messed up enough as it is. It can get very annoying when you try to sleep as I see it even with my eyes closed. With a slight effort of will however I can usually subdue it.
Weed is renowned for it's ability to improve energy practise, something about the way it relaxes your mind and lifts preconceptive blockages seems to help you reach your maximum potential.
Weed was one of the chemicles that 'witches' used to use and give others, the hallucenagenic effects of some of the drugs hat were being consumed led to the initial belief in magick and witchcraft, however perhaps due to the effects weed can have on energy work, it was something more?
In any case, weed is famous for being able to improve visualisation so what you said doesn't surprise me at all
The Founder
Weed is renowned for it's ability to improve energy practise, something about the way it relaxes your mind and lifts preconceptive blockages seems to help you reach your maximum potential.
Weed was one of the chemicles that 'witches' used to use and give others, the hallucenagenic effects of some of the drugs hat were being consumed led to the initial belief in magick and witchcraft, however perhaps due to the effects weed can have on energy work, it was something more?
In any case, weed is famous for being able to improve visualisation so what you said doesn't surprise me at all
The Founder
#6
Welcome to Astral Chat! / The Child-Hero and the Demon War
January 19, 2005, 09:34:53
There seems to be some confusion developing... Astrally demons can manifest to you, but not phyically, in my experience they can try to recruit somebody by either binding themself to you (sorts of possesion) or by simply follwoing you round and pestering/scaring you into submission.
I urge you, don't fall for it. They have nothing to offer you but pain, this I have seen first hand and I would not lie about it.
There may be 'aliens' who are related in some way with pre-veil demons, however how such a being would intact with this world I don't know.
In any case, don't bother meddling with demons, while they are not ALL twisted a lot of them are virtually beyond redemption, raised on the belief that you are their enemy, they are ignorant to hear any different. They will do what they like to you but whatever it is, it wont be nice.
But who's side you pick is up to you I guessm just follow your heart, that's all I can suggest.
The Founder
I urge you, don't fall for it. They have nothing to offer you but pain, this I have seen first hand and I would not lie about it.
There may be 'aliens' who are related in some way with pre-veil demons, however how such a being would intact with this world I don't know.
In any case, don't bother meddling with demons, while they are not ALL twisted a lot of them are virtually beyond redemption, raised on the belief that you are their enemy, they are ignorant to hear any different. They will do what they like to you but whatever it is, it wont be nice.
But who's side you pick is up to you I guessm just follow your heart, that's all I can suggest.
The Founder
#7
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Bush Prophecy
November 04, 2004, 12:08:20
I had a powerful feeling that the winner of the elections will be responsible for something terrible and horrific later on. However I also believed that the said person would be Kerry, usually my 'feelings' are very accurate however since I was wrong about Kerry... maybe... I guess I could be wrong about the prophesy that the president would do something so terrible.
I felt it very powerfully however, I still sort of believe I was right somehow. Maybe it was symbolic or something?
The Founder
I felt it very powerfully however, I still sort of believe I was right somehow. Maybe it was symbolic or something?
The Founder
#8
Welcome to Astral Chat! / The Child-Hero and the Demon War
November 04, 2004, 11:58:17
I was responsible for the 'War of the souls' thread and I realized I caused turmoil, not only then but apparently even still.
I have a thing or two still to say about this.
I realize that in the former thread there was little or no evidence to back up my claims, this angered a lot of you. Some of you however were plain arrogant from the outset, because of this I have reevaluated my options.
My original problem was that I was unable to provide proof, and I found myself being asked for it at every turn. How can I do that? I'm no scientist, I'm no expert on this stuff... I just have a few memories and a powerful instinct.
Then I listened to myself and what I was saying, it was pathetic... I had undertaken the responsibility of warning people about what I thought was going to happen yet I refused to go that extra mile and make it feasible.
True, I am no expert but since I have more knowledge about the war than anyone else I have met, and since I am willing to put at least that much effort into warning others then I may as well go that extra mile anyway... Right?
That's why I am currently in the process of constructing a website that can, when complete, hopefully offer a more scientific and overall believable view on the war and the falling of the 'veil'.
The site is still under construction and you can find the building blocks for it in the link in my signature. I am also working on a countermeasure to the war dubbed 'Utopia'. It's not much but it's all I can do, I have friends who are helping me and I have a list of believers and supporters as long as your arm. But I am still looking for as much evidence and/or proof one way or the other.
I wouldn't want to create a site that leads others from the truth, nor would I want to convince myself that a lie is real.
So if anyone has any information either for or against the war... anything with substance, then please contact me at 'founders_unspokenreality@hotmail.com' Also if you believe in the war and would like more information or to help me in any way please let me know.
Forestianfire, you mentioned seven children. In my research I have stumbled across people who are a part of otherkin factions that have come here just for the war. Not all otherkin are here for the war, in fact many may not even involve themselves in it. However if you sense it, if you feel it coming in your heart... then it is likely that you are here for that purpose. The seven you mentioned could relate to a number of things from the 'seven archangels' who are supposedly the most influential among all the angels.
More likely however is that you are sensing that you are part of your own faction and have yet to reunite yourself with the other members. I have met many others like this and I myself belong to such a faction so it isn't too rare.
There will be no single 'child hero' this is probably reminiscent of the concept that humanity is still young yet it must come together to defeat this threat, hell if I know... either way there will not be a single 'super warrior' child to save us all.
This time we will have to save ourselves, besides the falling of the veil isn't all about the war anyway, think of the war as a byproduct. When the veil falls apparently humanity will undergo a spiritual evolution... an ascension. you may call it the 'fourth density' The demons are simply trying to avoid letting that happen.
As I said I am still researching this as well as comparing notes with others researching rival theories. When my site is complete I will ensure that nothing but the truth as I believe it will be shown on it. I know it's just a silly freebie site at the moment however I have no money to my name, lol. In time I will upgrade it and make it more efficient.
Hey quiet storm, you mentioned something about light and dark being separated, right? That's essentially what the veil is as far as I can tell, and when it collapses the two will mix together, only I don't see 'light and dark' as 'good and evil' To me it's all about the energies.
I will be hanging around here for a few days so if you have anything sensible to say either for, against or generally about this theory then please say so.
By the way, I hate the term 'demon-war' it gives them too much credit, am I the only one who dislikes that term?
The Founder
I have a thing or two still to say about this.
I realize that in the former thread there was little or no evidence to back up my claims, this angered a lot of you. Some of you however were plain arrogant from the outset, because of this I have reevaluated my options.
My original problem was that I was unable to provide proof, and I found myself being asked for it at every turn. How can I do that? I'm no scientist, I'm no expert on this stuff... I just have a few memories and a powerful instinct.
Then I listened to myself and what I was saying, it was pathetic... I had undertaken the responsibility of warning people about what I thought was going to happen yet I refused to go that extra mile and make it feasible.
True, I am no expert but since I have more knowledge about the war than anyone else I have met, and since I am willing to put at least that much effort into warning others then I may as well go that extra mile anyway... Right?
That's why I am currently in the process of constructing a website that can, when complete, hopefully offer a more scientific and overall believable view on the war and the falling of the 'veil'.
The site is still under construction and you can find the building blocks for it in the link in my signature. I am also working on a countermeasure to the war dubbed 'Utopia'. It's not much but it's all I can do, I have friends who are helping me and I have a list of believers and supporters as long as your arm. But I am still looking for as much evidence and/or proof one way or the other.
I wouldn't want to create a site that leads others from the truth, nor would I want to convince myself that a lie is real.
So if anyone has any information either for or against the war... anything with substance, then please contact me at 'founders_unspokenreality@hotmail.com' Also if you believe in the war and would like more information or to help me in any way please let me know.
Forestianfire, you mentioned seven children. In my research I have stumbled across people who are a part of otherkin factions that have come here just for the war. Not all otherkin are here for the war, in fact many may not even involve themselves in it. However if you sense it, if you feel it coming in your heart... then it is likely that you are here for that purpose. The seven you mentioned could relate to a number of things from the 'seven archangels' who are supposedly the most influential among all the angels.
More likely however is that you are sensing that you are part of your own faction and have yet to reunite yourself with the other members. I have met many others like this and I myself belong to such a faction so it isn't too rare.
There will be no single 'child hero' this is probably reminiscent of the concept that humanity is still young yet it must come together to defeat this threat, hell if I know... either way there will not be a single 'super warrior' child to save us all.
This time we will have to save ourselves, besides the falling of the veil isn't all about the war anyway, think of the war as a byproduct. When the veil falls apparently humanity will undergo a spiritual evolution... an ascension. you may call it the 'fourth density' The demons are simply trying to avoid letting that happen.
As I said I am still researching this as well as comparing notes with others researching rival theories. When my site is complete I will ensure that nothing but the truth as I believe it will be shown on it. I know it's just a silly freebie site at the moment however I have no money to my name, lol. In time I will upgrade it and make it more efficient.
Hey quiet storm, you mentioned something about light and dark being separated, right? That's essentially what the veil is as far as I can tell, and when it collapses the two will mix together, only I don't see 'light and dark' as 'good and evil' To me it's all about the energies.
I will be hanging around here for a few days so if you have anything sensible to say either for, against or generally about this theory then please say so.
By the way, I hate the term 'demon-war' it gives them too much credit, am I the only one who dislikes that term?
The Founder
#9
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Atlantis
November 04, 2004, 11:26:34
Atlantis, or 'new Jerusalem' as it was called in the bible has many legends surrounding it, the main consistency was that it possessed powerful magicks they eventually led to its destruction. Some say that it was in two separate part and on part drifted beneath the sea, others say that it was destroyed by god.
It is tied in with the mythical Phoenix and is supposed to bear magickal treasures.
In 'The orion mystery' by Robert Bauval a brief reference is made to it wherein pre-dystinic Egypt was supposed to have been invaded by 'strange' people who came from a land they called Atlantis.
It has also been linked to vampires (Not psi) and the rise and fall of the political system, it is supposed to be relevant also, to the end of days.
There is precious little proof besides here-say and shadowed legends that there ever was a true Atlantis but if it is real it would probably have been discovered by now.
The Founder
It is tied in with the mythical Phoenix and is supposed to bear magickal treasures.
In 'The orion mystery' by Robert Bauval a brief reference is made to it wherein pre-dystinic Egypt was supposed to have been invaded by 'strange' people who came from a land they called Atlantis.
It has also been linked to vampires (Not psi) and the rise and fall of the political system, it is supposed to be relevant also, to the end of days.
There is precious little proof besides here-say and shadowed legends that there ever was a true Atlantis but if it is real it would probably have been discovered by now.
The Founder
#10
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Sacred Spirits aka Bit-Beasts
November 04, 2004, 11:12:53
Many of these cartoons use mythology as a base for their ideas, it is likely that some of the characters from this show may well have roots in human legend.
It is easy however, to become obsessive over such things and make them into something they are not.
Demons are real to an extent but these 'bit beasts' don't quite meet the profile, it is likely that the creators of the cartoon adapted mythological beasts to make them more appropriate for their show.
The Founder
It is easy however, to become obsessive over such things and make them into something they are not.
Demons are real to an extent but these 'bit beasts' don't quite meet the profile, it is likely that the creators of the cartoon adapted mythological beasts to make them more appropriate for their show.
The Founder
#11
Welcome to Metaphysics! / War of the Souls
July 12, 2004, 20:01:11
I know you guys are sceptical about this but since my origional war thread got lost somehow I thought Id show you all my article on it, its a bit more refined and I hope it makes more sense.
If it is too taboo or upsetting or so poorley written that it just makes you all mad I will understand if it gets deleted.
Be gentle...
War of the Souls.
This is my knowledge and belief of the forthcoming war cobbled together from various sources and personal experience. To fully understand this article I recommend you first have basic knowledge of astral projection , metaphysics and psionics. Please refer to online tutorials to learn the basics.
I was born with certain knowledge about the coming war. Although I have searched for explanations for what I know the fact remains that I have always known about it and have since found others who have reinforced while not actually influencing my opinions. I didn't know what it was at first but for this inexplicable feeling that something incredibly big was on the way.. like something totally incredible and unimaginable was just around the corner. After a lot of self training I gained the wisdom to translate these feelings into words and images. I then went online and looked into various books for confirmation of what I had seen. I was as surprised as anyone to see that others had felt this too and there were genuine predictions about it. I will tell you only what I believe and I assure you I would not say it if I thought there was any chance of it being false. You are entitled to disbelieve me of course and while I can't nor do I want to try to change your beliefs I CAN and will offer the truth as I have found it and hope you take what I say into consideration. Nobody hopes this is wrong as much as me and I will gladly accept all the 'I told you so's in the world if so. My mission is, at the moment to do my best to prepare as many as I can for the possibility of the war I predict will hit us soon. My overall mission is to do what I can to protect the human beings, from the threat of the war, as most of the other warriors I know seem to care little about them.
Long ago there was a mystical veil set up that divided the Physical and astral planes of existence into separate worlds... The purpose of this is not yet entirely clear but it seems to be to separate the astral beings from the physical beings. perhaps to prevent the very war we are now facing. It may have originated at 'stone henge' or at least that was one of the starting points for it. The world was once astrophysical (combined astral and physical) as were our bodies, but when the demons (who had no physical energy) started attacking us it was decided that this veil needed to be constructed to keep humanity protected from them. The veil was created and separated all physical energy from astral energy, including human bodies, they divided into two, an astral body and a physical body. All humans then had their souls transferred into their physical bodies and left their astral bodies useless. This meant that the astral demons no longer had the power to get to the now physical humanity. They can only infect our abandoned astral bodies and screw with out feelings, which I will explain in more detail later on. Naturally you can still re-transfer your soul into the astral body, that is what astral projecting is.
When the different planes were separated we grew accustomed to the material life, the physical world around us merely a divided illusion that blinds us from a world of truth. However this was only ever a temporary measure and it was never meant to last... as the history of our pasts faded into myth and legend the other side of the veil was steadily preparing for the day it would fall... and soon I fear that day will come... When it does all that you perceive to be physical will change, Emotion will be as tangible as matter, and the spirit strong as muscle. What this will be like I cannot even imagine, but it will be unlike anything you can think of. Just prepare for anything and more. Other worlds like the Elven world or even heaven that you may visit while astral projecting are astrophysical as this world once was, you are there only partially when you visit these places since your physical body is obviously incapable of reaching them. It is only this universe that is divided into astral and physical as far as I know. This means that when the veil does fall many new options will open up. With the birth of this new astrophysical world, other cultures (Perhaps alien or perhaps from other planes Who currently live on an astrophysical world of their own will finally be able to make direct contact with us. We could enter a whole new cultural era. As well as a milestone stage in mans evolution. These other cultures may even play a part in the developments of the war, but to what end I have no idea.
Those of you who are familiar with astral projection will be partially aware of what the change that will occur with the merging of the planes will be like. What you are and what you can do in the astral world will become true here also when the veil falls. Since the 'astral' realm will 'merge' into our world. This is NOT a demonic invasion. The 'negs' (negative energy beings) that may be attacking us are already here, we just can't see them. These are not a serious threat however. The main bulk of the 'demon' threat lie in training and it is those which are the course of the 'war' that I am about to explain. Certain warrior otherkin it seems may have to fight these demons in order to protect the world from them. I do not wish to seem superior about this as I am but one of these warriors. Remember there are no little people in this war, we are all as important and essential as each other and if you decide to lose faith then we may as well all lose faith. You must have faith above all else, in YOURSELF. However it will take a little understanding as well to survive this war.
You see... As I said earlier any and all beings, humans included, have what is called an 'astral body' this is NOT your soul... but its spiritual shell... we also of course have a physical body and while our souls choose to reside mainly in that we are still linked to our astral selves. The trouble is most humans are not aware of their astral body and so do not protect or nurture it, this means that beings that exist solely in the astral world can 'infect' our astral bodies during moments of emotional weakness. Provided they are powerful enough however.. it can even happen during good emotional health. For this reason we should all consider shielding (for information on this please consult forums or online tutorials for advice.) This is where the term 'inner demons' comes from as they are taking 'possession' of our emotions and influencing us to act out of character. and the age-old treatment would be 'exorcism'. However in this day and age there is always a medical term for those poor souls who are being manipulated by dark powers and so we are left unhealed and the negs and demons can do what they wish to and with us. It can be simple to exorcise yourself but people simply aren't aware of these things any more.
We have been under attack for as long as evil (for lack of a better term) has existed. This spans right back to a basic disagreement between higher forces that resulted in jealousy and hatred. We are not responsible for this war but it is unfairly spilling into our laps. Now, however the veil is falling and we have a chance to defend ourselves, true they can do more damage to us without the veil restricting them from physical damage, but we have the same advantage. However I have discovered that they are going to play on the inherit closed mindedness of humanity to aid their attacks.. so the less people that believe in their existence the more chance for success they have. Thinking in terms of war tactics I would expect for this reason they will be under orders not to engage anyone as it does seem that there are demonic scouts currently observing us, we have found sightings cropping up everywhere but cant authenticate them all but its clear they will have a firm grasp on human defences. We are on the knife-edge of a global awakening to the grim yet beautiful truth of everything and unless you prepare and accept it now, you may become lost completely in the transition.
Imagine if you will, a container, filled with thick malleable gel, then imagine another container filled with free lose water... This is the astral and physical world in perspective... now imagine pouring both containers into a larger container. The physical restrictions of the heavy gel are halved... as will the laws of physics like gravity and density, ect be, when the veil falls. Also the free lose water will be thicker and weighed down, This means the astral world wont be as you see it when projecting because it will be subject to physical laws slightly and although still substantially powerful.. will be a lot 'weaker' in general. (In the sense that it will be literally mixed or 'diluted' in with the physical environment.)
The merging of the astral and physical planes will be so precise that they will no longer be definable as separate worlds.... the world will once more become 'astrophysical' as will our bodies, It will be difficult to imagine and its even harder to describe but as long as you give yourself freely to the changes and do not try to fight it mentally you should find the transition very pleasing. Do not try to understand it, and don't try to resist... in order to survive it you need to relinquish all you know about the physical world and allow yourself to be delivered 'home'. If you do not have a strong mind then I would imagine the inability to adapt to the dramatic shift in environment would force you to trap yourself in your own world. Convincing yourself things are going on as usual and ignoring the various threats around you. This is only as theory but I have had it for a long time and it seems logical. If you cant accept just an amazing new world you would trick your mind into not being able to see it. Either way you MUST be fully prepared for the merging, I can't stress that enough. I'm sure however if you fall short there will be somebody to help you out of it, so don't worry too much about it.
Most of what I know has been pieced together from broken memories and shadowed feelings, and with a little effort I eventually filled in the blanks... only recently have I learned others know of this too and have site links of their own. In light of what I have recently learned I suggest you look at the 'Mayans' as they apparently predicted this... this is not my source of information nor is it my personal recommendation as I have not read anything on them myself, however they seem to have known something about it. Personally I sense the merge will begin in a matter of years, maybe two at the least. I have taken out as many of the demons as I can while projecting as have all the angels and warriors I know, but nobody can find the base, besides alone none of us would be tough enough to take on that many and live to tell the tale. Remember that the merging or 'awakening' as it is often called is definitely a good thing. It is a holy and sacred moment where we all become our true selves. It is the demons who seek to use the vulnerability it puts us in as an opportunity for attack. The demons are using the falling of the veil as a blind sight. They will wait till it falls and the world once again becomes astrophysical. In that instant all otherkin and humans will be confused by the merging of the planes, it will take a while to adapt and 'free your physical mind' It is in this moment of vulnerability that they intend to try to massacre humanity.
The merge itself is not bad and not something to be feared or avoided. As for the war that comes after it, well when it begins we will need to get immediately organised. Arrangements have been made for human refuge centres to be established so we can take as many humans into otherkin guarded safety as quickly as possible. Also I have heard that the army regiments will be decided in an astral projected meeting a few days before the merge, so we will all know what we are doing and where to go. This won't be enough though and many, I'm sorry to say will still fall.
You may be wondering What should one do in order to prepare for this? The answer would be everything. You can't do enough... martial arts (for discipline and spiritual enlightenment only), meditation, spiritual practises. I'm not sure if it is possible to be completely prepared for just a drastic event but you must still try. Try charging a weapon with your energy and training with it. It should be a physical weapon but not necessarily lethal (Physical weapons will be needed because in the astrophysical world we will need weapons with both astral and physical properties in order to get the most benefit from them.. that's why we also have to charge them first.) You can use items (amulets) that you charge with your own energy or use symbolic amulets charged with the energy of your chosen religion. (For information on charging weaponry for astral use please contact me and I will tell you what I know.) I suggest you try some kind of discipline training. Anything that can help make this easier for you. Remember to avoid the temptation to think that the war may be positive. There is no such thing as a good war and as long as you may think there is a good side to it happening you are doomed. You have to hate the war and want it to end, without that motivation it may never finish. How can you protect yourself if you truly believe the war itself is 'for the best'? Try also not to let your disliking of the war consume you. You need to establish a balance. You don't have to be an otherkin to survive this, you just have to be strong of heart.
We are not alone in this, the 'heaven' or 'Godsend' force initiated a countermeasure to this attack by sending all the angels and astral warriors under their command to earth, to be reincarnated into human bodies and fight the demonic armies. The godsend forces are the main defence here but they are ridiculously outnumbered by the demonic forces... something like five to one. Don't get me wrong the godsend forces are far stronger but they simply cant get all of them, eventually a few demons will slip through the net and that's where the otherkin armies come in. They must protect humanity from all the drifters that the higher ups cant get. In any case it will be long and chaotic. It will be trying for all, but if you hang in there and keep your course in mind you will win.
It is apparent that this confrontation will open many eyes to the truth, the truth of evil (for lack of a better term) and perhaps aliens. The humans will be made to understand the balance of both nature, and the equilibrium of the astrophysical world. They will understand about demons, and psionics, magick no metaphysical subject will be taboo. They will come to understand the truths of the universe, this is not wishful thinking this is what my basic logic tells me. How can they not come to realise these things? How can these realisations not have a positive effect on the development of our cultures? We will all come to understand the responsibility of freedom and the importance of respect for these matters. I'm sure that with a little time and understanding the humans will come to understand these things, and when they do perhaps that knowledge alone will be enough to alter the path of things to come for a more positive future. Now I am not a stubborn or a gullible person but I myself do prophesise that there is a kind of... ether, or glory, if you will... at the end of this war. My logic tells me this is nonsense, every war is fought for a mysterious fantasy land at the end, and all that arrives is more war. Yet I still could not deny this feeling of perfection and freedom I felt would reach us in succession of the war. Perhaps the humans really will see the truth through this darkness. After all this is supposed to be the final showdown, maybe the controlling hands of both 'good' and 'evil' will fall leaving us truly free for once.
I will finish by apologising if I have upset or scared anyone with this post, as it was not my intention, it is possible that this may not happen and it is definitely not something I want to happen, but unless you understand the dangers and prepare you may become trapped in your own oblivious world like some of the humans who will not know any better will. You may already have felt it, the odd displacement... the strange sensations that something isn't right, vertigo, surrealism... confusion. Maybe things appear twisted or distorted despite the fact that nothing has actually changed. Those of you with Therianthropic qualities may have felt an increase in shifts and you will ALL have been experiencing unusual feelings and implacable Dei ja Vu. I cannot offer all the answers and I am not so arrogant as to expect you all to believe this. However the veil is near falling and it is my moral duty to try and help as many as I can become aware of it.
Maybe you are having fluctuations in your own power and emotions. Ever felt that weird 'spinning' sensation? This is made by your physical mind trying to understand what is happening to the world when it just can't, it is your physical mind you need to let go of in order to embrace the changes and survive through them. Remember... THE WAR IS NOT A GOOD THING. So do not look forward to getting all-powerful as you are only going to become as strong as your self-faith and will. You will not become a 'God' no matter how powerful you do become and if you get cocky you probably wont get anything so leave your egos behind. This is NOT an excuse to go around playing Buffy the vampire slayer ok? You may get paranoid and think you are fighting personal battles and you may even see a real demon or two, never tackle anything alone and until the veil falls it is unlikely there will be any physical baddies so there should be no fighting needed. It is dangerous and irresponsible to fight a man just because you believe he is evil or whatever and I cant stress enough how wrong it is!!! I am still searching into this and if anybody has any counter opinions or alternate theories I am open to suggestions. On the other side of the coin if any of you have any extra information about the war I would really appreciate it if we could talk about it.
Lastly I want to point out that all of this is compiled with unfortunately minimal evidence and a lot of it is opinion based. This is all MY perspective on what will happen and is in no way an assumption that anyone who reads this article should believe the same. If there are any burning questions that are not covered in this then PLEASE ask as I will be happy to answer, and good luck to you all...
The Founder
If it is too taboo or upsetting or so poorley written that it just makes you all mad I will understand if it gets deleted.
Be gentle...
War of the Souls.
This is my knowledge and belief of the forthcoming war cobbled together from various sources and personal experience. To fully understand this article I recommend you first have basic knowledge of astral projection , metaphysics and psionics. Please refer to online tutorials to learn the basics.
I was born with certain knowledge about the coming war. Although I have searched for explanations for what I know the fact remains that I have always known about it and have since found others who have reinforced while not actually influencing my opinions. I didn't know what it was at first but for this inexplicable feeling that something incredibly big was on the way.. like something totally incredible and unimaginable was just around the corner. After a lot of self training I gained the wisdom to translate these feelings into words and images. I then went online and looked into various books for confirmation of what I had seen. I was as surprised as anyone to see that others had felt this too and there were genuine predictions about it. I will tell you only what I believe and I assure you I would not say it if I thought there was any chance of it being false. You are entitled to disbelieve me of course and while I can't nor do I want to try to change your beliefs I CAN and will offer the truth as I have found it and hope you take what I say into consideration. Nobody hopes this is wrong as much as me and I will gladly accept all the 'I told you so's in the world if so. My mission is, at the moment to do my best to prepare as many as I can for the possibility of the war I predict will hit us soon. My overall mission is to do what I can to protect the human beings, from the threat of the war, as most of the other warriors I know seem to care little about them.
Long ago there was a mystical veil set up that divided the Physical and astral planes of existence into separate worlds... The purpose of this is not yet entirely clear but it seems to be to separate the astral beings from the physical beings. perhaps to prevent the very war we are now facing. It may have originated at 'stone henge' or at least that was one of the starting points for it. The world was once astrophysical (combined astral and physical) as were our bodies, but when the demons (who had no physical energy) started attacking us it was decided that this veil needed to be constructed to keep humanity protected from them. The veil was created and separated all physical energy from astral energy, including human bodies, they divided into two, an astral body and a physical body. All humans then had their souls transferred into their physical bodies and left their astral bodies useless. This meant that the astral demons no longer had the power to get to the now physical humanity. They can only infect our abandoned astral bodies and screw with out feelings, which I will explain in more detail later on. Naturally you can still re-transfer your soul into the astral body, that is what astral projecting is.
When the different planes were separated we grew accustomed to the material life, the physical world around us merely a divided illusion that blinds us from a world of truth. However this was only ever a temporary measure and it was never meant to last... as the history of our pasts faded into myth and legend the other side of the veil was steadily preparing for the day it would fall... and soon I fear that day will come... When it does all that you perceive to be physical will change, Emotion will be as tangible as matter, and the spirit strong as muscle. What this will be like I cannot even imagine, but it will be unlike anything you can think of. Just prepare for anything and more. Other worlds like the Elven world or even heaven that you may visit while astral projecting are astrophysical as this world once was, you are there only partially when you visit these places since your physical body is obviously incapable of reaching them. It is only this universe that is divided into astral and physical as far as I know. This means that when the veil does fall many new options will open up. With the birth of this new astrophysical world, other cultures (Perhaps alien or perhaps from other planes Who currently live on an astrophysical world of their own will finally be able to make direct contact with us. We could enter a whole new cultural era. As well as a milestone stage in mans evolution. These other cultures may even play a part in the developments of the war, but to what end I have no idea.
Those of you who are familiar with astral projection will be partially aware of what the change that will occur with the merging of the planes will be like. What you are and what you can do in the astral world will become true here also when the veil falls. Since the 'astral' realm will 'merge' into our world. This is NOT a demonic invasion. The 'negs' (negative energy beings) that may be attacking us are already here, we just can't see them. These are not a serious threat however. The main bulk of the 'demon' threat lie in training and it is those which are the course of the 'war' that I am about to explain. Certain warrior otherkin it seems may have to fight these demons in order to protect the world from them. I do not wish to seem superior about this as I am but one of these warriors. Remember there are no little people in this war, we are all as important and essential as each other and if you decide to lose faith then we may as well all lose faith. You must have faith above all else, in YOURSELF. However it will take a little understanding as well to survive this war.
You see... As I said earlier any and all beings, humans included, have what is called an 'astral body' this is NOT your soul... but its spiritual shell... we also of course have a physical body and while our souls choose to reside mainly in that we are still linked to our astral selves. The trouble is most humans are not aware of their astral body and so do not protect or nurture it, this means that beings that exist solely in the astral world can 'infect' our astral bodies during moments of emotional weakness. Provided they are powerful enough however.. it can even happen during good emotional health. For this reason we should all consider shielding (for information on this please consult forums or online tutorials for advice.) This is where the term 'inner demons' comes from as they are taking 'possession' of our emotions and influencing us to act out of character. and the age-old treatment would be 'exorcism'. However in this day and age there is always a medical term for those poor souls who are being manipulated by dark powers and so we are left unhealed and the negs and demons can do what they wish to and with us. It can be simple to exorcise yourself but people simply aren't aware of these things any more.
We have been under attack for as long as evil (for lack of a better term) has existed. This spans right back to a basic disagreement between higher forces that resulted in jealousy and hatred. We are not responsible for this war but it is unfairly spilling into our laps. Now, however the veil is falling and we have a chance to defend ourselves, true they can do more damage to us without the veil restricting them from physical damage, but we have the same advantage. However I have discovered that they are going to play on the inherit closed mindedness of humanity to aid their attacks.. so the less people that believe in their existence the more chance for success they have. Thinking in terms of war tactics I would expect for this reason they will be under orders not to engage anyone as it does seem that there are demonic scouts currently observing us, we have found sightings cropping up everywhere but cant authenticate them all but its clear they will have a firm grasp on human defences. We are on the knife-edge of a global awakening to the grim yet beautiful truth of everything and unless you prepare and accept it now, you may become lost completely in the transition.
Imagine if you will, a container, filled with thick malleable gel, then imagine another container filled with free lose water... This is the astral and physical world in perspective... now imagine pouring both containers into a larger container. The physical restrictions of the heavy gel are halved... as will the laws of physics like gravity and density, ect be, when the veil falls. Also the free lose water will be thicker and weighed down, This means the astral world wont be as you see it when projecting because it will be subject to physical laws slightly and although still substantially powerful.. will be a lot 'weaker' in general. (In the sense that it will be literally mixed or 'diluted' in with the physical environment.)
The merging of the astral and physical planes will be so precise that they will no longer be definable as separate worlds.... the world will once more become 'astrophysical' as will our bodies, It will be difficult to imagine and its even harder to describe but as long as you give yourself freely to the changes and do not try to fight it mentally you should find the transition very pleasing. Do not try to understand it, and don't try to resist... in order to survive it you need to relinquish all you know about the physical world and allow yourself to be delivered 'home'. If you do not have a strong mind then I would imagine the inability to adapt to the dramatic shift in environment would force you to trap yourself in your own world. Convincing yourself things are going on as usual and ignoring the various threats around you. This is only as theory but I have had it for a long time and it seems logical. If you cant accept just an amazing new world you would trick your mind into not being able to see it. Either way you MUST be fully prepared for the merging, I can't stress that enough. I'm sure however if you fall short there will be somebody to help you out of it, so don't worry too much about it.
Most of what I know has been pieced together from broken memories and shadowed feelings, and with a little effort I eventually filled in the blanks... only recently have I learned others know of this too and have site links of their own. In light of what I have recently learned I suggest you look at the 'Mayans' as they apparently predicted this... this is not my source of information nor is it my personal recommendation as I have not read anything on them myself, however they seem to have known something about it. Personally I sense the merge will begin in a matter of years, maybe two at the least. I have taken out as many of the demons as I can while projecting as have all the angels and warriors I know, but nobody can find the base, besides alone none of us would be tough enough to take on that many and live to tell the tale. Remember that the merging or 'awakening' as it is often called is definitely a good thing. It is a holy and sacred moment where we all become our true selves. It is the demons who seek to use the vulnerability it puts us in as an opportunity for attack. The demons are using the falling of the veil as a blind sight. They will wait till it falls and the world once again becomes astrophysical. In that instant all otherkin and humans will be confused by the merging of the planes, it will take a while to adapt and 'free your physical mind' It is in this moment of vulnerability that they intend to try to massacre humanity.
The merge itself is not bad and not something to be feared or avoided. As for the war that comes after it, well when it begins we will need to get immediately organised. Arrangements have been made for human refuge centres to be established so we can take as many humans into otherkin guarded safety as quickly as possible. Also I have heard that the army regiments will be decided in an astral projected meeting a few days before the merge, so we will all know what we are doing and where to go. This won't be enough though and many, I'm sorry to say will still fall.
You may be wondering What should one do in order to prepare for this? The answer would be everything. You can't do enough... martial arts (for discipline and spiritual enlightenment only), meditation, spiritual practises. I'm not sure if it is possible to be completely prepared for just a drastic event but you must still try. Try charging a weapon with your energy and training with it. It should be a physical weapon but not necessarily lethal (Physical weapons will be needed because in the astrophysical world we will need weapons with both astral and physical properties in order to get the most benefit from them.. that's why we also have to charge them first.) You can use items (amulets) that you charge with your own energy or use symbolic amulets charged with the energy of your chosen religion. (For information on charging weaponry for astral use please contact me and I will tell you what I know.) I suggest you try some kind of discipline training. Anything that can help make this easier for you. Remember to avoid the temptation to think that the war may be positive. There is no such thing as a good war and as long as you may think there is a good side to it happening you are doomed. You have to hate the war and want it to end, without that motivation it may never finish. How can you protect yourself if you truly believe the war itself is 'for the best'? Try also not to let your disliking of the war consume you. You need to establish a balance. You don't have to be an otherkin to survive this, you just have to be strong of heart.
We are not alone in this, the 'heaven' or 'Godsend' force initiated a countermeasure to this attack by sending all the angels and astral warriors under their command to earth, to be reincarnated into human bodies and fight the demonic armies. The godsend forces are the main defence here but they are ridiculously outnumbered by the demonic forces... something like five to one. Don't get me wrong the godsend forces are far stronger but they simply cant get all of them, eventually a few demons will slip through the net and that's where the otherkin armies come in. They must protect humanity from all the drifters that the higher ups cant get. In any case it will be long and chaotic. It will be trying for all, but if you hang in there and keep your course in mind you will win.
It is apparent that this confrontation will open many eyes to the truth, the truth of evil (for lack of a better term) and perhaps aliens. The humans will be made to understand the balance of both nature, and the equilibrium of the astrophysical world. They will understand about demons, and psionics, magick no metaphysical subject will be taboo. They will come to understand the truths of the universe, this is not wishful thinking this is what my basic logic tells me. How can they not come to realise these things? How can these realisations not have a positive effect on the development of our cultures? We will all come to understand the responsibility of freedom and the importance of respect for these matters. I'm sure that with a little time and understanding the humans will come to understand these things, and when they do perhaps that knowledge alone will be enough to alter the path of things to come for a more positive future. Now I am not a stubborn or a gullible person but I myself do prophesise that there is a kind of... ether, or glory, if you will... at the end of this war. My logic tells me this is nonsense, every war is fought for a mysterious fantasy land at the end, and all that arrives is more war. Yet I still could not deny this feeling of perfection and freedom I felt would reach us in succession of the war. Perhaps the humans really will see the truth through this darkness. After all this is supposed to be the final showdown, maybe the controlling hands of both 'good' and 'evil' will fall leaving us truly free for once.
I will finish by apologising if I have upset or scared anyone with this post, as it was not my intention, it is possible that this may not happen and it is definitely not something I want to happen, but unless you understand the dangers and prepare you may become trapped in your own oblivious world like some of the humans who will not know any better will. You may already have felt it, the odd displacement... the strange sensations that something isn't right, vertigo, surrealism... confusion. Maybe things appear twisted or distorted despite the fact that nothing has actually changed. Those of you with Therianthropic qualities may have felt an increase in shifts and you will ALL have been experiencing unusual feelings and implacable Dei ja Vu. I cannot offer all the answers and I am not so arrogant as to expect you all to believe this. However the veil is near falling and it is my moral duty to try and help as many as I can become aware of it.
Maybe you are having fluctuations in your own power and emotions. Ever felt that weird 'spinning' sensation? This is made by your physical mind trying to understand what is happening to the world when it just can't, it is your physical mind you need to let go of in order to embrace the changes and survive through them. Remember... THE WAR IS NOT A GOOD THING. So do not look forward to getting all-powerful as you are only going to become as strong as your self-faith and will. You will not become a 'God' no matter how powerful you do become and if you get cocky you probably wont get anything so leave your egos behind. This is NOT an excuse to go around playing Buffy the vampire slayer ok? You may get paranoid and think you are fighting personal battles and you may even see a real demon or two, never tackle anything alone and until the veil falls it is unlikely there will be any physical baddies so there should be no fighting needed. It is dangerous and irresponsible to fight a man just because you believe he is evil or whatever and I cant stress enough how wrong it is!!! I am still searching into this and if anybody has any counter opinions or alternate theories I am open to suggestions. On the other side of the coin if any of you have any extra information about the war I would really appreciate it if we could talk about it.
Lastly I want to point out that all of this is compiled with unfortunately minimal evidence and a lot of it is opinion based. This is all MY perspective on what will happen and is in no way an assumption that anyone who reads this article should believe the same. If there are any burning questions that are not covered in this then PLEASE ask as I will be happy to answer, and good luck to you all...
The Founder
#12
Welcome to Metaphysics! / War of the souls
May 13, 2004, 18:05:58
I'm certain this subject will have been addressed already but I will still make a brief post on it. I am The Founder and I am new to Astral Pulse, I have spent my entire life knowing there will be a war, a seriously big war that will threaten perhaps the existence of humanity on this planet, but as I have scince learned there is even more than that at steak. For the last few years I have searched through websites and consorted with many different people in this world in my continuing search for the truth. I have come to my final conclusion, there is a brief but accurate article in the war section of this site www.hidden-truths.com
I have always known about this war however I can offor no real proof other than the occasional legend like the Mayans and so forth. There are many otherkin warriors that will, deep down already know of this. The veil that devides this world from the astral is steadily degrading and you will all have felt the effects of this. Perhaps you simply feel an odd sense odd virtigo or surealism. Maybe things appear twisted or distorted despite the fact that nothing has actually changed. Those of you with Therianthropic qualities may have felt an increase in shifts and you will ALL have been experiencing unusual feelings and unplacable Dei Ja Vu. I cannot offor all the answers and I am not so arrogant as to expect you all to believe this. However the veil is near falling and it is my moral duty to try and help as many as I can become aware of it.
I am still searching into this and if anybody has any counter oppinions or alternate theorys I am open to suggestions. On the other side of the coin if any of you have any extra information about the war I would really appreciate it if we could talk about it. I would like to finish by pointing out that I am expecting heavy sceptisism and even flaming, I have been through it before and will not falter under such conditions. I would like to debate this in a civilised manner however, I will try to address any questions and accept any suggestions. My real job here is to make you aware of it in the hope that it will help you be more prepared when the time comes. Have you felt the feeling that something increddible is right around the corner? that any second everything will blow up in your face and nothing will ever be the same after? Have you had that longing for battle or simply to help others and that you will soon be involved in something bigger than any of us? I did to, thats what sparked my search. I would like to find the truth whatever it may be and perhaps we could help each other in that respect.
I will stop babbling now and await your oppinions, please be gentle..
The Founder
I have always known about this war however I can offor no real proof other than the occasional legend like the Mayans and so forth. There are many otherkin warriors that will, deep down already know of this. The veil that devides this world from the astral is steadily degrading and you will all have felt the effects of this. Perhaps you simply feel an odd sense odd virtigo or surealism. Maybe things appear twisted or distorted despite the fact that nothing has actually changed. Those of you with Therianthropic qualities may have felt an increase in shifts and you will ALL have been experiencing unusual feelings and unplacable Dei Ja Vu. I cannot offor all the answers and I am not so arrogant as to expect you all to believe this. However the veil is near falling and it is my moral duty to try and help as many as I can become aware of it.
I am still searching into this and if anybody has any counter oppinions or alternate theorys I am open to suggestions. On the other side of the coin if any of you have any extra information about the war I would really appreciate it if we could talk about it. I would like to finish by pointing out that I am expecting heavy sceptisism and even flaming, I have been through it before and will not falter under such conditions. I would like to debate this in a civilised manner however, I will try to address any questions and accept any suggestions. My real job here is to make you aware of it in the hope that it will help you be more prepared when the time comes. Have you felt the feeling that something increddible is right around the corner? that any second everything will blow up in your face and nothing will ever be the same after? Have you had that longing for battle or simply to help others and that you will soon be involved in something bigger than any of us? I did to, thats what sparked my search. I would like to find the truth whatever it may be and perhaps we could help each other in that respect.
I will stop babbling now and await your oppinions, please be gentle..
The Founder
#13
Welcome to Metaphysics! / War of the Souls
July 29, 2004, 18:14:41
Aileron, If this doesnt happen I will happily breath a sigh of relief, this thing has taken up too much of my time and given me stress that I just dont need as it is. Its the worry that I am right rather than the belief that has caused me the most grief. The best case scenario for me would be it not happening and that is the way I pray it goes. You must realise that I am not promoting this war but simply using the fact that I know of it as an opportunity to warn others. I am not trying to gain followers in a belief but to ensure that everyone knows that I believe it, thats all I want. As long as you can all remain open to the possibility of my being right then if I am I will have done my part and warned you.
Nevertheless nobody hopes I am wrong about it more than I do.
The Founder
Nevertheless nobody hopes I am wrong about it more than I do.
The Founder
#14
Welcome to Metaphysics! / War of the Souls
July 13, 2004, 11:39:04
I know what you mean but if this is all right it would be unforgivable for me to know of it and not tell anybody. As for duality of thought, unfortunately its a way of thinking that many people get caught in and I know its not always so black and white, but nevertheless what I wrote in the article is what I have discovered through a lot of work and open mindedness, I suggest we all remain in the same open frame of mind so as to be prepared for whatever may or may not happen.
I'll be happy to live in peace but its not me making this war happen, Im just the messenger boi..
The Founder
I'll be happy to live in peace but its not me making this war happen, Im just the messenger boi..
The Founder
#15
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May 20, 2004, 19:06:44
The Mayans, I can't be bothered checking to see if I did but I should have made it clear that I don't trust them. I used them only as an example of evidence that had been thrown at me. (Odly enough in an atempt to disprove me.) I did however, make it quite clear that I offor no evidence as I know there isnt any. Please do not rely on the (briefly mentioned at best) Mayan thing and more on the fact that I have always known about the war scince birth. I would like for that to be the last time I have to say that, lol.
"but it wont be with metaphysics and telepaths." as I said earlier to claim bs or simply say 'your wrong' about anything is foolishly presumptious. Do not assume I am wrong, rather consider I may be right but remain skeptical.
Jennedots, I do care what people think, or their own sake. You are right however and I am not here to convince people, as I myself said. I will not however ignore straight forward questions and I will debate with those who are cynical not because I disbelieve them but simply because I want to see why they disbelieve me. I don't assume to know all the truth. If somebody thinks I am wrong about soemthing they must have a sensible reason for doing so. I search for the real truth, and I will accept that truth whatever it may be. I know we do not ahve the luxury of chosing our own truths and so when I debate I am simply trying to make both of our arguments clear and looking for a compramise. In order to find the truth you must search in yuor heart and trade with others who have done the same.
I will always however put my knowledge out there to eb heard, in that you can trust.
The Founder
"but it wont be with metaphysics and telepaths." as I said earlier to claim bs or simply say 'your wrong' about anything is foolishly presumptious. Do not assume I am wrong, rather consider I may be right but remain skeptical.
Jennedots, I do care what people think, or their own sake. You are right however and I am not here to convince people, as I myself said. I will not however ignore straight forward questions and I will debate with those who are cynical not because I disbelieve them but simply because I want to see why they disbelieve me. I don't assume to know all the truth. If somebody thinks I am wrong about soemthing they must have a sensible reason for doing so. I search for the real truth, and I will accept that truth whatever it may be. I know we do not ahve the luxury of chosing our own truths and so when I debate I am simply trying to make both of our arguments clear and looking for a compramise. In order to find the truth you must search in yuor heart and trade with others who have done the same.
I will always however put my knowledge out there to eb heard, in that you can trust.
The Founder
#16
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May 19, 2004, 17:56:00
Perhaps but you seem to be looking with this with a closed oppinion. What you have done is effectivly reword what we have all been saying and thinking it was different. I am not here to promote the war but to help you survive it as best I can. However I should point out that "true evil" does not exist, I don't assume you think it does but the phrasing is still deceptive. Try not to think of this as a battle of good verses evil, that opens up far too many paradoxes and subdebates, just find your enemy and survive his attacks. That is all you need to concern yourself with.
This evolution to bypass war and reach a peaceful glory is just the same as we have also been saying, yes we need to evolve but the matters of war will not fizzle away. Unfortunately war will have to end the same way it tends to rage, with a bang. This IS the war to end all wars, it is the final chapter, the last confrontation. Here is where the story either begins or ends. I'm sorry if any of you either find it too hard to believe or are simply scared by it but I have witnessed this stupid war from almost its very birth and I am fully aware of its progression to this point. Have trust in yourself and your neihbour and survive for the greater good. You all have the power and are all needed, sceptics and believers alike. The only issue is, are you prepared to make the ultimate sacrifyce?
Without honour, life is just a badly written story.
The Founder
This evolution to bypass war and reach a peaceful glory is just the same as we have also been saying, yes we need to evolve but the matters of war will not fizzle away. Unfortunately war will have to end the same way it tends to rage, with a bang. This IS the war to end all wars, it is the final chapter, the last confrontation. Here is where the story either begins or ends. I'm sorry if any of you either find it too hard to believe or are simply scared by it but I have witnessed this stupid war from almost its very birth and I am fully aware of its progression to this point. Have trust in yourself and your neihbour and survive for the greater good. You all have the power and are all needed, sceptics and believers alike. The only issue is, are you prepared to make the ultimate sacrifyce?
Without honour, life is just a badly written story.
The Founder
#17
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May 19, 2004, 12:15:51
Hopefully that should be pretty much all you need to do.
You are quite right, I was both defensive and closed minded in that last post and I appologise sincerely, it is not the kind of impression I should give and it is definitly not my usual nature. As I said, I have history with these things and I guess I overeacted.
I have not been through a merging before to my knowledge so no, I don't know for sure what it will be like. To be honest what you have said is right, there are unusual events taking place and so called 'paranormal' occurences have risen considerably, I also believe this is in relation to the merging. However, many times I ahve seen people decide to neglect their preperation for the merging because they have gone 'paranormal investigating' mad in trying to track these occurences and I don't like to see it happen. You must focus on preperation for the merging. These unusual events are just byproducts of the bigger picture.
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You are quite right, I was both defensive and closed minded in that last post and I appologise sincerely, it is not the kind of impression I should give and it is definitly not my usual nature. As I said, I have history with these things and I guess I overeacted.
I have not been through a merging before to my knowledge so no, I don't know for sure what it will be like. To be honest what you have said is right, there are unusual events taking place and so called 'paranormal' occurences have risen considerably, I also believe this is in relation to the merging. However, many times I ahve seen people decide to neglect their preperation for the merging because they have gone 'paranormal investigating' mad in trying to track these occurences and I don't like to see it happen. You must focus on preperation for the merging. These unusual events are just byproducts of the bigger picture.
The Founder
#18
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May 19, 2004, 06:38:33
The veil is weakening and the planes do near each other. However until they actually merge when the veil collapses there is no reason for such odd events to take place in relation to this merging. Let me put what you have said in a different perspective.
I offer plausible undeniable things like, gut-instinct and prophesy. Sure they can't be proven but they are sensible and realistic.
You however would rather believe mindless ramblings about reality going weird and ridicules events taking place.
Not only would these things simply not happen, but they would be completely unrelated to the war. It seems you just want to hear about bizarre events, why? For gossip sakes perhaps? I don't know.. but it is stupid stories like that which give metaphysics a bad name. The physical laws will not cease to exist during the merge they will just be 'diluted' if you will into the apparent laws of the astral world. We will have the same restrictions but they will merely be weaker and we will have astral restrictions and advantages as well. Books changing text, and teleporting objects are either made up or due to another course. I don't claim to believe or disbelieve them but I Wouldn't steak too much on them.
One other point I would make is to point out how you made a deal about the fact that you did not actually ask for evidence. "Read my post again, was I asking for proof? No. All I was asking was if you've seen physical things happening lately" before later saying... "Which is why I was asking for more than prophesy or gut instinct" So... let my clarify this. You are not asking for evidence but you are asking for.. umm, proof? You may not have said that particular word but you were still asking for evidence my friend. In the past I have been badly mistreated by sceptics who all started out with a similar post to yourself, I guess it made me a little paranoid so I am sorry if I overreacted. I also learned much from those events, one of which being the fact that I MUST make it clear that I can offer NO evidence because quite simply it does not exist. I have to make it clear that I am aware of this fact and that I am sorry for it. I accept if any of you choose to disbelieve me due to this fact.
The thing I mentioned about the daemons and the angel transforming were not related to the war they are simply the most bizarre things I have come across in my life (That you would believe anyway.)Plus I offered no proof of these events happening so I do not understand your keenness to believe it. Especially when there are many who corroborate with my "gut instinct" theory. I ask that you still remain open to all possibilities as I do. However I would suggest a little common sense to be used as well. Do not look for unusual physical events despite that I have heard an increase in these kinds of stories recently. Try to focus more on what WILL happen with the falling of the veil. If you don't quite know what that is yet then I will happily explain my ideas in greater detail.
Acceptance breeds success
P.S I'm sure Jenedots is regretting his wording in that post by now, lets leave him alone, lol.
The Founder
I offer plausible undeniable things like, gut-instinct and prophesy. Sure they can't be proven but they are sensible and realistic.
You however would rather believe mindless ramblings about reality going weird and ridicules events taking place.
Not only would these things simply not happen, but they would be completely unrelated to the war. It seems you just want to hear about bizarre events, why? For gossip sakes perhaps? I don't know.. but it is stupid stories like that which give metaphysics a bad name. The physical laws will not cease to exist during the merge they will just be 'diluted' if you will into the apparent laws of the astral world. We will have the same restrictions but they will merely be weaker and we will have astral restrictions and advantages as well. Books changing text, and teleporting objects are either made up or due to another course. I don't claim to believe or disbelieve them but I Wouldn't steak too much on them.
One other point I would make is to point out how you made a deal about the fact that you did not actually ask for evidence. "Read my post again, was I asking for proof? No. All I was asking was if you've seen physical things happening lately" before later saying... "Which is why I was asking for more than prophesy or gut instinct" So... let my clarify this. You are not asking for evidence but you are asking for.. umm, proof? You may not have said that particular word but you were still asking for evidence my friend. In the past I have been badly mistreated by sceptics who all started out with a similar post to yourself, I guess it made me a little paranoid so I am sorry if I overreacted. I also learned much from those events, one of which being the fact that I MUST make it clear that I can offer NO evidence because quite simply it does not exist. I have to make it clear that I am aware of this fact and that I am sorry for it. I accept if any of you choose to disbelieve me due to this fact.
The thing I mentioned about the daemons and the angel transforming were not related to the war they are simply the most bizarre things I have come across in my life (That you would believe anyway.)Plus I offered no proof of these events happening so I do not understand your keenness to believe it. Especially when there are many who corroborate with my "gut instinct" theory. I ask that you still remain open to all possibilities as I do. However I would suggest a little common sense to be used as well. Do not look for unusual physical events despite that I have heard an increase in these kinds of stories recently. Try to focus more on what WILL happen with the falling of the veil. If you don't quite know what that is yet then I will happily explain my ideas in greater detail.
Acceptance breeds success
P.S I'm sure Jenedots is regretting his wording in that post by now, lets leave him alone, lol.
The Founder
#19
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May 18, 2004, 21:21:24
Its 4am and I cant be bothered reading anything so I'll just reply to Blackstream for now. Yes I have answered that, quite clearly. There is no way to proove none physical matters in a physical enviroment. I have told you of the time that many people simultaniously sensed the veil getting damaged and I offor only the feeling that many seem to have that the war aproaches. Also that there are those like myself who have prophesised it. However I am not here to provide you with evidence and I know that sounds rude or cold but frankly Im too tired to think of polite phrasing, so sorry about that. I know many people who have either seen the occasional physical daemon, I even heard of an angelkin that transformed once. I however have seen little physical mumbo jumbo that links to the kind of evidence you suggested. Nor can I see how moving text or manifesting objects would have anything to do with this war.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
The Founder
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
The Founder
#20
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May 18, 2004, 20:27:50
I think a compramise is needed. Yes I am prepared to fight for the humans and will do whatever I must to protect them. For the last time however, and I fail to see why it has not yet gotten accross, I do NOT relish the war. It has been my lifelong curse to know about it and know I can do nothing to prevent it. So don't you dare preech to me about manifesting a better future Jenedots as I would fix everything with the click of my fingers if I could. I know it is coming and I will fight to do what I think is right. I do not want to fight, I do not want to kill, but it is what I am trained for, it is what I am here to do. That is all I am capable of. That doesn't mean I have to sit here and like it, the very fact that I am trying to help you all become aware of it should prove that at least. We still must all be prepered to fight for the brighter future, even if it is just an illution we have to believe... Because we need belief, Thats all there is.
The Founder
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#21
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May 18, 2004, 12:38:53
What do you mean? I thought I made myself clear that I am aware of many who also know of or are part of the war and that I did not expect to be the first here to talk of it. I also would re-point that I do not ever preech. As for me being origional or favoured or whatever, I think you misunderstood my porpose here. I am not trying to gain attention but to draw your attention to the war. This is not about me, I just want to do my part to help others prepare for it. If anything your 101 figure, if it is accurate strengthens my case.
Just be prepared for anything, that is all I suggest.
Quiet storm... I am open minded so I do not judge. Your organisation sounds like it has much potential but... the more you tell me of it the more... 'cult-like' it begins to seem. Perhaps you should watch out for that. Just an observation.
The Founder
Just be prepared for anything, that is all I suggest.
Quiet storm... I am open minded so I do not judge. Your organisation sounds like it has much potential but... the more you tell me of it the more... 'cult-like' it begins to seem. Perhaps you should watch out for that. Just an observation.
The Founder
#22
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May 17, 2004, 12:52:22
Good guys huh? I suggest you choose your own course as it will not be so easy to interpret good from bad. I fight for the humans as they are the innocents in this war, and for ONLY that reason. Otherwise your logic is flawless, there are many examples in reality for what is happening. Just looking around casualy reveals many examples. Blackstream, I'm pretty sure I did answer your questions... umm... **checks** yup, its there allright, but for some reason it doesnt show up under the text window as you type a new message, you will have to actually go to the first page to see it.
In responce to Aileron's painfully long speach, well done. I agree mostely but I am not doing this for attention or to tell others what to do, but simply because I would not live with myself if I had not tried to warn anybody. I also seem to remember somebody suggesting that perhaps I am under dark infulence, in my particular circle it is hard not to notice such a thing but for arguments sake. Assuming I was, I am only following my heart with good intention, I intend to bring nobody through this with me but if they choose to I welcome the company and I never seek to preeche or draw anybody into my belief. I just offor it to them and if anybody chooses to take notice so be it. In short, I have no obvious ill intention here and I do only what I believe is right, so please... draw your own conclusions. I would not think that doing things the way I do is a very efficient method for dark manipulation however.
I would also like to do two things, one is to stetch this post out as long as possible by any means neccesary so as to get revenge for all the long posts you all made me read. The other is to make a point, I have heard 'bs' get mentioned many times both here and in other such forums. Either as an attack, dismiss, or a simple observation. In my experience I have never claimed bs, I dont always believe people but to make such a remark is not only tempting fate but it also seems very arrogant to me. I would suggest you all keep an open mind to all things and even if you disbelieve try to remember what it feels like to have bs called on you. "If you ignore the unlikely, the impossible will bite you in the butt."
Tayesin, A very interesting post there.. I have encountered many with the sensation that something incredible approaches but rarely do I find anybody who has plainly 'known' about the war with out needing to read theorys and the such. "Higher-beings" however is a term I would avoid if I were you, lol. As for the belief structure being blown wide open as a result of the war, well frankly I see that to be the only plus to all this. The humans will have to accept the world that is still sickeningly labeled 'Paranormal' or 'Supernatural' (Yeauurgh!)as a real and tangable matter. They will have to accept astral and alien cultures and the fact that things truely do exist that you cannot touch or see. They will be forced to get up of their asses and create a free society to unite. The window we have to reach them in is small but as I have always said, It may well be the human beings that save us all in the end..
The Founder
In responce to Aileron's painfully long speach, well done. I agree mostely but I am not doing this for attention or to tell others what to do, but simply because I would not live with myself if I had not tried to warn anybody. I also seem to remember somebody suggesting that perhaps I am under dark infulence, in my particular circle it is hard not to notice such a thing but for arguments sake. Assuming I was, I am only following my heart with good intention, I intend to bring nobody through this with me but if they choose to I welcome the company and I never seek to preeche or draw anybody into my belief. I just offor it to them and if anybody chooses to take notice so be it. In short, I have no obvious ill intention here and I do only what I believe is right, so please... draw your own conclusions. I would not think that doing things the way I do is a very efficient method for dark manipulation however.
I would also like to do two things, one is to stetch this post out as long as possible by any means neccesary so as to get revenge for all the long posts you all made me read. The other is to make a point, I have heard 'bs' get mentioned many times both here and in other such forums. Either as an attack, dismiss, or a simple observation. In my experience I have never claimed bs, I dont always believe people but to make such a remark is not only tempting fate but it also seems very arrogant to me. I would suggest you all keep an open mind to all things and even if you disbelieve try to remember what it feels like to have bs called on you. "If you ignore the unlikely, the impossible will bite you in the butt."
Tayesin, A very interesting post there.. I have encountered many with the sensation that something incredible approaches but rarely do I find anybody who has plainly 'known' about the war with out needing to read theorys and the such. "Higher-beings" however is a term I would avoid if I were you, lol. As for the belief structure being blown wide open as a result of the war, well frankly I see that to be the only plus to all this. The humans will have to accept the world that is still sickeningly labeled 'Paranormal' or 'Supernatural' (Yeauurgh!)as a real and tangable matter. They will have to accept astral and alien cultures and the fact that things truely do exist that you cannot touch or see. They will be forced to get up of their asses and create a free society to unite. The window we have to reach them in is small but as I have always said, It may well be the human beings that save us all in the end..
The Founder
#23
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May 16, 2004, 13:04:25
Quiet Strom, it seems our little conversation amounted to very little, I would like to re-explain not only to you but to others who read your last post and consider it seriously.
Angels and Daemons have been around far, FAR longer than humanity, humans did not create them only the idea that they are good and evil. True good or evil does not exist, I am to be a murderer of many daemons yet I can still accept this truth. The illution that angels are heavenly glory and pure, happy, fluffy righteousness is man made, I agree. The same goes for the catagoricaly evil nature of daemons. However just because you may have invented these 'labels' to stick on angels or deamons doesn't mean the beings themselves are your creation. To use the metaphore I used to you last night. What are are basicly saying is that if you call a house a ball you can effectivly 'roll' a house. You may have invented the catagories such as good and evil, and even the characoristic nature of those beings, but it is only the belief that you have invented, not the truth. You can change only what you see, not what is, to change what is takes time and patience but requires a little more force than the preverbial click of ones fingers my friend. You cannot control daemons as they are sentiant beings with a will of their own. You can only control what you percieve them to be but not what they wish to be. To think you can would mean you are being manipulated, which is a gift they possess in plenty. If your friend tries to summon a daemon and control it he will be grimly suprised and I advise strongly against it. I speak not only from common sense here my friend but also from experience.
In responce to MJ-12, What you have said is, for the most part completely true, although I would hope to be credited with a little more grace of mind, lol. I am not just some grunt of war intent to slash at everything because I do have acertain amount of both experience and skill in the matters of war. You seem to imply we should fight withy out common goodwill and spirit, well quite simply, why not? It is all relative, when the veil falls and the spiritual world merges with this such things will irradicate evil as fluently as any blade. Trust only your senses MJ, tell me what you seek to do in this confrontation. I do not need battle tips but I am interested in how you intend to hold your own. I try to learn a little from everything I see.[]Cya.
The Founder
Angels and Daemons have been around far, FAR longer than humanity, humans did not create them only the idea that they are good and evil. True good or evil does not exist, I am to be a murderer of many daemons yet I can still accept this truth. The illution that angels are heavenly glory and pure, happy, fluffy righteousness is man made, I agree. The same goes for the catagoricaly evil nature of daemons. However just because you may have invented these 'labels' to stick on angels or deamons doesn't mean the beings themselves are your creation. To use the metaphore I used to you last night. What are are basicly saying is that if you call a house a ball you can effectivly 'roll' a house. You may have invented the catagories such as good and evil, and even the characoristic nature of those beings, but it is only the belief that you have invented, not the truth. You can change only what you see, not what is, to change what is takes time and patience but requires a little more force than the preverbial click of ones fingers my friend. You cannot control daemons as they are sentiant beings with a will of their own. You can only control what you percieve them to be but not what they wish to be. To think you can would mean you are being manipulated, which is a gift they possess in plenty. If your friend tries to summon a daemon and control it he will be grimly suprised and I advise strongly against it. I speak not only from common sense here my friend but also from experience.
In responce to MJ-12, What you have said is, for the most part completely true, although I would hope to be credited with a little more grace of mind, lol. I am not just some grunt of war intent to slash at everything because I do have acertain amount of both experience and skill in the matters of war. You seem to imply we should fight withy out common goodwill and spirit, well quite simply, why not? It is all relative, when the veil falls and the spiritual world merges with this such things will irradicate evil as fluently as any blade. Trust only your senses MJ, tell me what you seek to do in this confrontation. I do not need battle tips but I am interested in how you intend to hold your own. I try to learn a little from everything I see.[
]Cya.The Founder
#24
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May 15, 2004, 17:44:05
Well, it seems fate has conspired against us. I do not have AIM but I have MSN messenger, I will read through the 2004 thread and see what I can pick up and I am already in legue with one or two of the members of that order. I search for the truth whatever it may be and will accept whatever I find in the proccess. It is very pleasing to meet others on the same path and I wish you well on yuor journey. I hope we can work together in this course.[]
Oh, and Just to captivate your interest, in the links section of the hidden truths site in my sig and at the beggining of the thread you will find many other war related information sites, including the infamous 2012 theorys. Hope I helped at all.[]
The Founder
]Oh, and Just to captivate your interest, in the links section of the hidden truths site in my sig and at the beggining of the thread you will find many other war related information sites, including the infamous 2012 theorys. Hope I helped at all.[
]The Founder
#25
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May 15, 2004, 15:43:45
What you have said... it has helped me come to understand a thing or two. One or two things about the war that I hadn't quite peiced together so far. Perhaps on some level even the war is a result of our own actions as humanity. Sadly the chanses of every living being realising this and changing their thinking in time for the war is unlikely at best, assuming of course it would do anything. However it has come to my attention that this might well explain the so called 'light at the end of the tunnel'. Now I am not a stubborn or a gullable person but I myself have prophesised that there is a kind of... ether, or glory, if you will... at the end of this war. My logic tells me this is nonesense, every war is fough for a mysterious fantasy land at the end, and all that arrives is more war. Yet I still could not deny this feeling of perfection and freedom I felt would reach us in succesion of the war. What you have said has perhaps clarifyed that for me.
It is apparent that this confrontation will open many eyes to the truth, the truth of evil (for lack of a better term) and perhaps aliens. The humans will be made to understand the balence of both nature, and the equilibrium of the astrophysical world. They will understand about demons, and psionics, magick no metaphysical subject will be tabu. They will come to understand the truths of the universe, this is not wishful thinking this is what my basic logic tells me. How can they not come to realise these things? How can these realisations not have a positive effect on the development of our cultures? We will all come to understand the responcibility of freedom and the importance of respect for these matters. I'm sure that with a little time and understanding the humans will come to understand these things, and when they do perhaps that knowlege alone will be enough to alter the path of things to come for a more positive future, just like you have said. Maybe the collective belief that we need no more fighting will be enough to make it so, and the war may be just the catalyst we need to ensure that.
I hope I have not strayed too far from your origional point and misunderstood too much of what you intended to get across, I would like to talk with you on messenger some time. Thanx for listening.
The Founder
It is apparent that this confrontation will open many eyes to the truth, the truth of evil (for lack of a better term) and perhaps aliens. The humans will be made to understand the balence of both nature, and the equilibrium of the astrophysical world. They will understand about demons, and psionics, magick no metaphysical subject will be tabu. They will come to understand the truths of the universe, this is not wishful thinking this is what my basic logic tells me. How can they not come to realise these things? How can these realisations not have a positive effect on the development of our cultures? We will all come to understand the responcibility of freedom and the importance of respect for these matters. I'm sure that with a little time and understanding the humans will come to understand these things, and when they do perhaps that knowlege alone will be enough to alter the path of things to come for a more positive future, just like you have said. Maybe the collective belief that we need no more fighting will be enough to make it so, and the war may be just the catalyst we need to ensure that.
I hope I have not strayed too far from your origional point and misunderstood too much of what you intended to get across, I would like to talk with you on messenger some time. Thanx for listening.
The Founder