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I would like to say hello to everyone. I've been reading past postings and finding them quite genuine and interesting. I'm happy that I've come across this place where there are people actively and seriously practicing with obe/astral work.  I'm looking for a bit of support from others who might be going through the same things that I am. I believe my 'abilities' are generational and have been brought down though my grandmother, also through the reincarnational process and having many spiritualy seeking based pastlives. I tend to be more out of body than in during my meditational and sleep times. These things have progressed through many years and now I'm at the point of doing really intense spiritual obe rescue work. I really enjoy this aspect of my spirituality and see it as an evolving process but sometimes I don't always understand the symbology presented. I'm not always exactly sure what I have done in the experiences. I have a friend who is a seasoned channel who often helps me clairify what I'm up to. Like another person who posted here that I read  the obe's that are 'work' are sanctioned by a higher authority and I don't initiate. I usually have others that help me in the process. All souls involved incarnate and discarnate are in agreement. It's always with the highest most possible intent.  The last soul retrieval that I did was a little clearer for me in that when I woke up I saw on TV the man who I 'helped' to the other side who died on Sunday. I'm working very hard at putting the pieces together and finding answers. I have had some repercussions that I think may be related such as constant fatigue and weakness..but am willing to continue for the higher good.
If any of you resonate with this post or want to offer some advise as to what you might have found gives you better clairity, please respond. Ultimately I would love to find the other people that I work with on the etheric..I know some of them are in body. Wouldn't it be wonderful to bring some clairity in to this conscious reality.
I thought I would just put this out and see if I could find some earthly based etheric support
namaste
waterfall

Hiya Paul,

After reading your posts a few more things have come to mind,
When a past life recall that was very important to this life was coming through...every time that I got into a really good meditative state...just before I would go into a trance state I would stop breathing. I would come out of it gasping for air and really cold. That really spooked me for a few years until I got to the point that I thought well, if It's time for me to cross over in this way...I guess it's time. The not breathing and gasping stopped happening gradually and what I found was a past life of being native and drowning. It actually opened up the book, so to speak of all of my past lives. I always remember the end first and then the life.

" I can even listen to my heart beating sooo strong and the breathing so short. My heart has nothing wrong. I just "know" I cannot/should not go further. This could also be just panic..."

The strong heart awareness and almost a hyper self feeling..as if everything is accelerating used to happen to me all of the time. It was strange that I as was trying to relax and let go..all of my body functions seemed to get so strong and fast but I think it's more a perception of what the body is doing as we seperate from it. Like a hyper awareness of everything including our bodies.

"I have satisfied myself believing it is as an "easy exit door" just installed for the day It could be to used to die... someone agree on this concept of "exit door"?"
Sure I have seen the imagery of an exit door. I use it when I do soul retrival work... disembodied spirits feel very comfortable seeing a door with the kight streaming from it...very friendly.
I feel that we see whatever we expect to see on our final crossing. The final crossing is different though. There is a definite detachment from the body. There is an awareness on the other side that we are coming over to be with the others there. The 'door' leads to another place. Where if you are going obe your not on a trip out there... you are actually moving your residence:) It's a very happy time when crossing over and you receive lots of help and guidance.


'I usually hear those astral noises...'
Your probably strong in clairaudiance and just naturally can hear things more than someone who is more visually orientated.  


'I started listening to radios, lets say 4 of them more or less, enough to distinguish separate but imposible to follow dialogs with'

When I started to develope in mediumship and channeling I would often hear the low rumble of many people talking as I was falling asleep. It sounded like they were having a deep conversation about different subjects. When I tried to 'tune into' what they were saying I would fall asleep:) but  as I tried the voices got louder and I realized that they were the voice of the entities that I would be in contact with as a channel.



'We all should know that our "passage" will come at the right time, but you can also commit suicide (in different forms and lenghs) at any time of your life just because you decided it or just because you wasn't clear enough to solve a problem...And that would carry the consecuences of our beliefs...'
I can tell you that you can try to commit a spiritual suicide but it's not done without the knowledge of what consequences will follow...and given the choice to go to the other side or stay here and complete whatever needs to be done for our own growth.
Consequences of our beliefs... it's a really good idea to look at what our beliefs are...about death, dying, punishment etc. As Seth says, its good to take a look at the monsters we create for example fears. Just as we create our realities here...we also do in our death. A good movie to watch is What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams. Its a good example of creating the realities we believe in on the other side. I don't agree with the concept of suicide in the movie, that people who do commit suicide are never to be saved.... that's just too silly:)and not my experience at all ...but if they stay in their depressed state upon crossing they can create their own 'hell'. If that happened I do believe that those on the other side would council the soul and bring them out of it though. In past lives I've commited suicide many times and I feel that many of us have as an experience for learning.

I feel the big thing is choice...we have freedom and choice in everything we do. Also the power of self. Most of us don't truly understand just how powerful and beautiful that we as humans ultimately are.

namaste
waterfall

[Originally posted by overworked:]

quote:Originally posted by overworked:
Outside of basic med. CDs, etc.  anyone ever use basic "white noise" to get into a trance?

quite often when I'm going into trance I hear a white inner noise... that gets deafening.. before I slip out. I kind of lean into the noise and it helps me go deeper.
waterfall

[Originally posted by Meg:]

quote:Originally posted by Meg:
I hear a lot of talk about guides... what exactly are these and how oh how can I find mine?! I really want to try and explore this properly...

something simple... you and your guides are not lost:) Your guides are with you from birth and you have known them before birth, they are with you. Its just a matter of opening up to them and realizing that they are with you, always have been:) They interact with you on all levels in body and out.
love
waterfall

(it's funny after reading through a few posts... I'm wondering why you are all seeing your guides as an exterior part of you. Like guides are separate when they are apart of us. Your guide may even be you from a different time/life/experience. think about that one...ehehehe:)

Hi all,
I'm an abductee/experiencer. Have been in the grey breeding program for about 20 years. Have had contact with all sorts of off earth beings, future earth beings. I'm an active obe'r and the experiences are different. Aliens are here and interacting with us on all sorts of levels. they do come as positive and negative beings just like we do...sometimes a mixture of both. Most of the time they're just curious about us.
anyway...
I'm here to tell you that they are here...there's not doubt about it.
love
waterfall

Hi Frank,
When softly focusing on a person I try and become open to the possibilities. So don't focus on visual only...That's where you can't limit yourself with judgement about what and how you perceive things. Everyone is different, almost like each person has a different language of communication. I've found that each reading is a learning experience and never the same. For me I see the energy of the person and receive a feeling, emotion, smell or feel a pain. I then follow that to see what is causing it, (I think at this point my energy is focused out of my body or I open up as a receiver) then I will get a picture or something like a little movie that runs in my mind. I'm sorry but I can't tell you where it's processed because sometimes I blank out for a second and wake up with the information. Other times I get sort of an infused information with amazing details. Other times just a name or a word.

Heres a few questions for you:)
Do you see auras? do you have any channeling experience?

You see, this morning I think I discovered something. I found out that I can activate my 3rd-eye (or Astral Visual Interface, as I call it) without doing any of the "letting go of the body" stuff. I got the idea from your doing the "reading". It's quite tricky to do because the moment I "see" something my physical eyes try to look. Which is basically the same problem I used to have with projection, before I learnt how to relax to the extent where I had very little feeling of the physical.

On waking is excellent too because your not quite all with it yet and still pulling your energies back from the astral. Right... I understand about looking at it... so if you are aware of it, whatever you are seeing. It has popped out to say hello. Then you need to find out what it is... I would just ask spirit/guides, what is that? Understanding that even if you don't see it anymore it is still there. Now that we're talking about it..I have the third eye going when I see the energy, then I can sort of detach my third eye from my physical eyes and they then can move etc. The third eye feels thick, heavy, pulling and almost protruding from my forehead and moving. (the first time I felt it move like a large ball rolling around under the skin and focusing onthings, my stomache kind of flopped, it felt different)(It used to get sore and ache too when I was getting it going so be aware of that)
So by keeping my eyes active but relaxing everything else except that third eye area more visuals would open up to me.
I remember when I was practicing to consciously obe and I'd be 'out' and in a few seconds I would become aware that I was out..I'd get so excited and think, I did it!! and slam back into my body:)

However, I am now coming to realise that these areas of the mind can actually be accessed without letting go of the physical at all. Is this correct?
Absolutely, but it's harder to get and maintain a clear/true experience when your still connected to the world around you. But then you can talk, write, carry on a simple converation.
I wonder if when I go and 'visit' a person while I'm doing this..it would be seen as bi-location?

You know you'd probably be an excellent channeler if your so inclined and not already one. the tractor beam feeling on your head sounds like it to me.

Well this has been fun and great for me to try and figure out how all of this has come about for me. I'm sort of like the chicken without the egg? Can do this stuff but not really sure how I do it...

namaste
waterfall
 

[Originally posted by quant:]

quote:Originally posted by quant:
WF.  Fancy telling me a little bit more about these abductions?
What happened, where etc?

The pretty heavy duty ones had to do with the grays and all that they get up to. I don't want to get into it here but as I'm becoming older these kinds of experiences are not all that frequent and contact is made with a higher calling or feeling involved...thank goodness.
namaste
waterfall

[Originally posted by Frank:]

Originally posted by Frank:
If I may ask, what is the important part the past life plays in your current life?

Waterfall was a pivitol past life for me, the feeling of sacred comes to mind...I can't go into it too much here but I had certain fears, negative thinking, even friends that I had felt I knew forever but had just met... some of these things were explained. Other things were explained through other past life ties and influences. And so.. I feel better about myself and understand myself better.
I also became conscious of my main spirit guide who was my father back then, White Eagle.

Also, how did you contact this life? Do you have an idea of where your focal point of awareness is, in your brain, at the time you make contact?
It came at a time of great stress and reaching out to spirit for help...during my seperation. I wasn't eating or sleeping well but meditating constantly to help me with my nerves when everything started to unfold. Spirit said simply that it was time. I think I sort of had myself on a not planned, spirit quest.

It's just you mention about when doing the "reading" saying, "When I focused in on him I kept seeing faces..... " Is it possible for you to be more specific as to how you achieve this focusing.
When I saw the faces I was looking at him spiritually... just like how you would see auras... softly focus on the person, relax and then let the focus go to whatever comes out for you to see...but be aware of everything you experience. You have to be very receptive and nonjudgemental about the information. For instance what your hear, feel, smell, infused knowledge.

The basic question is focus what, where?
Now everyone is different we all come from certain strengths, such as a feeler, visionary, audio etc. I started out beng very visual but now have developed the other sides so I get knowledge coming at me from every direction about the person. Sometimes I even become the person, which is not always a good way to go about the task *grin*
My focus area is in the third eye, I can even generate voltage from my third eye. My boyfriend who is a great healer generates voltage from his hands. The area in my head would be from the third eye back, up the forehead and then into the middle, upper of the brain...but there is also a connection to spirit and energy flowing through that *is* the focus.
When I channel info its more like opening up the crown chakra..so very top of head and then having what youwould visualize as a funnel coming down into my body.
One thing I would like to suggest, if you haven't already is to get into an energy/healing practice such as reiki, seichim even trantric where the energy exchanges are very powerful. I feel that you need a real teacher to help you learn. Reading is good but the actual practice and energy exchanges from your teacher are a real asset.  If you try tantric be very careful and take baby steps, even I get my kundalini messed up once in a while and it's hard to get it balanced out again....can become very uncomfortable.

take care of yourself
namaste
waterfall



Yours,
Frank

PS
Okay, they say there's no such thing as a dumb question, but mine just became the exception that proves the rule, I know.  




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Hi Joe,
I have only read RB's article once too so I'm a little limited but I can understand what youare saying and have felt the same way in trying to digest the information/explainations of reincarnation.
I do believe in the concept of an oversoul as explained by Seth. I have experienced the knowing of all lives happening at once. After meeting a future self. When I think about all things happening at once the word chaos comes to mind and my brain hurts *grin*
Did he cover about going to upper planes or dimensions and reincarnating on other planets or other dimensions? I know this to be true. We're not cemented here in earthly form and at some point we can go off and explore other cultures.
As  far as spirits coming through for mediums they come back as a form that the questioner would recognise them. It's no good to come back in a previous reincarnation or  their prefrered spiritual form if the questioner doesn't know who they are.
We can only get a glimpse of what happens in the great scope of things. We're also at a disadvantage because we're in this human form and don't have all of the faculties that we would in spirit to greater understandings. Hopefully it will all make sense on the other side...lol:)
namaste
waterfall

[Originally posted by quant:]

quote:Originally posted by quant:
Waterfall, thanks, that was a nice post.

Just curious, how long have you been doing oobe's?  And how did you learn?  You sound like you have a lot of experience, that's great!

Thanks quant, you have very interesting questions!
I think that I have been doing obes for most of my life. I really started to try and hone my understandings at seventeen, now being fortyone. I learned how to meditate through a meditation group and a course called Mind Awareness in the 70's. I'm still in contact with the group and our group leader has turned into quite a good deep trance channeler. So we often go to sessions where I can ask them about my experiences, to try and understand.
I've found that I have a lot of past life backing and so what happens to me now feels natural and often I'm looking for explainations as to... what the heck was that?!!? *grin*
namaste
waterfall

Hiya Frank,

WF, when you say they "check and help" do you mean in the physical, like, they lived just a few miles apart, or was it through some kind of telepathy, or some kind of clubhouse on the Astral they created?

It was more of an innate connection that they had. How it came about was that when I focused in on him I kept seeing the faces of other people and I thought to my self...oh many past lives influencing this one. But then I was shown, no, these are his soul group and they are living on the earth at the same time. Placed all over the world... I saw one woman and she was oriental...he was she/he was connected to she. I thougth wow really interesting.

Also, when you say "reading" could I ask what is that, exactly.
I have this need to help others and so when I started on my spiritual path at 17 I started reading auras and doing a short intuitive paragraph on whatever came to mind as being helpful for the person involved. It has progressed to a real mixture of things as I've developed myself more. I do a bit of trance channeling with a message, can still do auras... I sort of let go and ask spirit to take me to where I can access the best information is for this person. Lately I have found myself traveling out of body to the person, especially if the person is asking about a love relationship. To check out what is relevent by being there. It took me by suprise the first time it happened but the info that came back to the person was exciting to her and me both. Sometimes I get a graphic little movie about the person and in these cases I wish I could draw better..so I describe what I see to them and it helps them.

I'm sorry if I am missing the obvious but all this "past life" stuff holds a particular fascination for me and I'm struggling to understand all the terminology.

...understand all of the terminology.. you and me both!:) It's one thing to do all of this stuff, another to try and relay it to others and I have such a compulsion to do so:)
The way that I have found my belief in past lives was to actually access one that plays a very important part in this life. It was of a native life and I was called waterfall.  The discovery of that life has made such a strong impact on this life, that I can't imagine not having past lives.
So maybe with all of your excellent work  and practice that you are doing... you will be able to remember a pivitol past life. I mean if you think about it how we build our experiences/knowledge with each life (generally speaking). Then what you are doing now is just a process of remembering what you have done in many lifetimes before.  We're not learning for the first time but building on this knowledge that we innately have.
hope this helps:)
namaste
waterfall

Not to dwell on the alien abduction thing but during the ones where I was really aware of what was happening to me I would see bright lights flashing into my room from outside. I would also hear a loud honking sound like a submarine alert signal. I have also heard the loud explosion like sounds when I come back from an obe that my children don't seem to hear. I think it's got to do with transiting back... sort of like the spirit breaking the sound barrier:)
Many times I will get audible voices that call my name or give me some pretty awesome statements, warnings. Sometimes I recognise the voice as my fathers other times I still know who it is but just can't place them. I feel they are a past life connection or a spirit helper. I think the neatest one was my boyfriend who had a sound like a watch alarm going off. It started in his house and he couldn't find the source. He took off his watch and got the recorder out then sat in the car with the window rolled up... still the noise. I can over shortly after that and I could hear the noise. We have it on tae but could never find the source that continued in the house, outside and in the car.
namaste
waterfall

I'd like to reply to the original post by quant about traveling to other planets. Being an abductee/experiencer I'm not sure what came first: the ability to leave the body easily and so making a good subject for abduction or being a subject of abduction experiences making it easier for me to go out of body. Sometimes I spend more time out than in during meditation, sleeptimes and during readings that I do for people. Most of the time when meeting non human beings they have come into our reality. I know that I have been to other planets. Many of these places I've visited in real time, ( I have to get up with the terminology) meaning that their time is the same as ours. On a fewer occasions I have visited planets in past times for some sort of learning process...for example: this is what happened to our civilization be careful because it may happen to yours and they take me there to show me. there have been a few times that I have traveled into the future but I think that is mainly about our earth and other dimensions that are happening at the same time.
I've been off planet and into the death process as we've talked about before on the other thread. I could see planets and stars but I feel they are all communicated in our worlds view. there are other worlds views... I hope you understand what I mean..sometimes its hard to convey.
namaste
waterfall

[Originally posted by quant:]

quote:Originally posted by quant:
Does anyone have any idea how new spirits may come to be?

Hi quant,
A friend of mine was questioning me on this and many other things to:) Especially if there are no 'new' souls or spirits then how come the worlds population is increasing. I was really pondering that for a time. I was familiar with soul groups which Seth has discussed in his books and that seemed like a good explaination...but this person always wanted proof:) I then had the opportunity to do a reading for a friend who was of Indian descent and had quite an extensive spiritual background. You could just tell by being around him that he was 'a very old soul'. I found that when I looked at his face I had a hard time focusing on him. His face shifted and blurred like he was existing in several places at once. I wondered how that could be and I got the visual refrence of an umberella being open. The handle and up to where it met the spokes were the main soul or spirit energy source. Each spoke going off of the main was another life, all living here on the earth at the same time and some in communication with each other. It was a quite diverse group of people and my friend being one of these spokes. I understood that he was aware of several of these different spokes but others were not. He would shift in and out checking and helping these other people. So as to a new soul, I would think that the main spirit branches off, splits itself and creates new lives. I also imagine that as these splits grow in energy and transfer energy/experience to the main branch.. they would also be able to split off... creating a giant spiritual family tree:) Hope this helps...
namaste
waterfall

[Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior:]

quote:Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior:
I am firmly of the belief that there are indeed those people who, after dying, simpyl do not realize it.  I think deep down somewhere they know, but they don't want to face it.  Usually it doesn't last too long, speaking of them not realizing they are "dead" because really they are not dead, they have simply sloughed off (for lack of a better term) their physical body.

THen there are those who think, "Wow, I can do whatever I want and not get in trouble".  For example, the sex fiend who hangs around the real time zone exposing himself and watching others have sex...although he cannot fulfill his unchecked sexual desires due to the lack of a physical body, he will hang around until he can overcome the problem(s) that he should have overcome while he was still alive in the phsyical.

Others who have lived lives in which they have gotten in touch with their spiritual nature and have developed self control will move on and continue to progress.... for whatever level of intelligence and enlightenment we attain in this life will remain with us in the life to come.  I think it's failry straightforward.

fides quaerens intellectum

Hello peacefulwarrior,
After thinking about this for a while I understand where I am getting bunged up in my thinking Trying to integrate my own near death experiences and pondering about the process of death and transition... What I was feeling is that after you have been through the tunnel or traveled to the light and crossed over to the other side there is a process. During this process and after this process I don't think that you can truely know that you are still alive. You can deny the fact that you have crossed and create your own little *hell*...as you have said.
I have come across and done retrival work on what you might call earth bound spirits. They have ignored the call from the light and pushed it away...staying in this realm. ..but it seems that once we get them to go to the light and get on with their souls life, so to speak. They don't come back as confused or nasty..they may come back to guide others having been enlightened or even to say thankyou.
love and light
waterfall

Hi sleepyone,

Well I really think we are kindred spirits:) I'm so happy to find another person who is doing the same astral work that I am. When all of this started to happen to me I sought information from my friend who channels the Echo. they said that, and this would apply to you also, that because of us having so many spiritually focused past lives, many in which we were shaman. That these 'abilities' now come naturally to us...because of our light path to be of service to others and help any way we can. We agreed to help others in this manner. My 'helping' also is with people as a whole on the earth and trying to protect others from negative beings and their activities.
Oh this is interesting too. They explained that sometimes when people pray for help or in a situation that they cannot handle. We come in and sort of help them play out their role. So that divine assistance may sometimes be coming from another person living onthe earth. I thought this was really neat:)
namaste
and see you in the dreamtime!
waterfall

[Originally posted by sleepyone:]

quote:Originally posted by sleepyone:
I can pretty much distinguish the difference between, lucid, dreams and OOB. I have been doing it for 45 years. Sometimes however, when the stuation is frightening, (such as serial killing), when I awoke the next morning, I was woken up suddenly by the doorbell. I had shifted between the different states of reality (or whatever), that it was really unclear exactly what was going on. I do know that it seems to me , that it was or will be a real incident, where? I don't know. Waterfalls explanation seems to hit the mark however.
Thanks for the reply

Hi sleepyone,
Maybe you can read my posting on the "death" thread. It tells a bit more of what I have found out about myself and these types of obe's. You sound much like myself in that we have these experiences and then come out of it saying, 'What the heck was that?':) So are you observing these situations and/or jumping in and trying to protect certain people etc.? I know that there is a purpose for you seeing whats going on. With me, I can fix things in the astral. I can't really fix them in the physical nor do I really want to. (Fix meaning to help another soul fufill it's own predetermined path, if it or they  request help...one life here on earth effects all of those who interact with that person in the lifetime..so it can influence negatively or positively a large group of people.)

What I have been told is that there are negative entities trying to change timelines or change outcomes of certain situations on earth to a certain advantage. Some of us have the abilities to go in and change things back to where they should be... (meaning planned by the soul groups involved). I have met a couple of others who do this also and for a while we were having the same obe experiences.

These serial killer obe's are new to me also. I've had three so far. The one that I remember the most was a man (and like you I could describe him but I don't want to put myself at risk because the fixing has already been done) who was really well off and he had a wife. What he was doing was killing his wife's female friends. Now the arrangement on a soul level...their plan for this life was that she would realize what he was doing and stop him at a certain phase, but she became blind of what he was doing and could not see the negativity in him. It came to a crisis point where he was going to kill her best friend. This friend had a whole soul agreement in this life to interact with others and strong family ties to fufill...it basically was not her time to die and her death would effect so many others paths. So what happens with me is that I see this whole scenario open up before me. I'm infused with the knowledge of what I need to do. I jump into the body of the wife (only by the most strictest permission) and I take her through the actions of what her soul's contract basically is. I save the friend and can remember taking the friend to the police station and telling all to the police. The husband is arrested... I release, at that point and get to watch how the outcome unfolds. In this event I had all sorts of spirits from the friends soul group coming to me and saying thankyou...was very rewarding, but.... very scarey!! all in all... I believe it to be in real time. Not the most fun thing I've gone through.

So sometimes when you pray for help it may come through the form of another, currently living human, in the astral. I've had that happen to me once when I thought that I was really in great spiritual danger and the spirit of a Shaman named Harold Bear came to help me. Of course it was early in my development and I really wasn't in 'danger' but he was there all the same with a big smile on his face.

So please tell me more about your experiences and even if they are developing into having you take a more active role

love
waterfall

[Originally posted by Daniel:]

quote:Originally posted by Daniel:
I have always been taught, always believed and have come to know that negative beings must identify themesleves....has this been your expereince as well?

fides quaerens intellectum

Yes, absolutely... but they don't always want to offer the information freely.
namaste
waterfall

[Originally posted by Frank: I can still get caught out, though. There was this Scamp the other day, in the form of a multi-coloured cube, whose little "party trick" was to head towards you and not stop. Yep, it got me alright. I'm still sore from the kicking I gave myself for jumping out of the way!]

Originally posted by Frank:
I can still get caught out, though. There was this Scamp the other day, in the form of a multi-coloured cube, whose little "party trick" was to head towards you and not stop. Yep, it got me alright. I'm still sore from the kicking I gave myself for jumping out of the way!

lol.. I do love your terminology and can understand what you mean:)
Negative entities are really creative, I'll have to give them that. I used to try and bring them into the light. Then I realized that they always had to identify themselves when asked. Now I find I just slam them with positive energy. I guess the ultimate is when we truely understand that they cannot harm us and walk right through them without a quiver. I can, with some things but with others they still can get me to react...like your cube:)


Also, it sparks off questions such as whereabouts on the Astral do you retrieve these entities from, and where do you take them? Who are you "working for"? How did you get recruited? How do you know which ones to retrieve? Do you work from some kind of list or do you project and get directed somehow?

With what I do it's called Soul Rescue work. It's something that I have always done and am doing more as I become consciously empowered on a spiritual level. Which really is just remembering and integrating, for me, of skills from past lives. Which I am told that are heavily native with Shaman lifetimes. I do this on many levels, physical in my palliative work and on other earth dimensions that are happening simultaneously, different timeframes, sometimes different planets (for lack of a better description). It really is very complicated and I don't know all of the specifics, thats one reason why I am here and looking for others who might be doing the same work. Apparently you are asked to to be of service in this manner and I think there are a few etheric groups doing this work but mine is the Earth Guardians. The way it works is like an assignment and it all happens in the dreamtime. Sometimes I remember the journey there and sometimes I just become aware in the middle of a situation and know what to do. you don't go there on your own but are directed..sometimes I have guides or other rescue workers that I meet with in the astral and we all work together.

I do remember lessons on time traveling mainly and learning how to travel through 'rips' in time or tears in the fabric of time. You know how when a new energy or skill comes in it makes a big impact at first and then with use you get used to it and you don't really remember doing the action...it just becomes natural? this is how it is for me now with traveling and getting there. I just relax, go into a trance state, black out and 'wake up' in the altered dimension with complete control and information on why I am there. If I want to go visit someone which I do sometimes.. and only with specific permission. I just concentrate on them, visualize them and use emotion to 'love' myself there. I just build up a longing and loving feeling for the person and I go. Sometimes I see the way there other times I just end up where I can see them. Lately when I'm doing channelings/readings for a person I end up in their 'space' it just happens.. but I do find it exhausting and can't do a lot of readings for people as I would like to. I have to work on that.

Many things in my life have lead up to this point. I can look back and over past lives and see the direction and purpose but when all of this part of my spiritual work came in about 10 years ago it was very neat and scarey for me. I received many answers by learning how to trance channel and by asking my friend who has been channeling the Echo for many years. I'm finally feeling that 'I'm not crazy' and that I'm getting a handle on things.. if you can ever really get a handle on the astral..*smile*
YOu know what they say.. just when youthink you've got it all figured out..spirit comes in an knocks you out of your comfort zone and turns your world upside down... don'cha love spirits 'sense of humour' *grin*

anyways thanks for your interest Frank,
and I'm also interested in that place of the retrieved children. I think I'll see if I can visit them..sounds wonderful

in light
waterfall

[Originally posted by steveb:]

quote:Originally posted by steveb:
[Waterfall],         When doing soul retieval and you come across spirits that require help, where are they when you come across them, and what are they doing.
          Also, when you come across spririts that you say, wont go to the light or are creating problems,when you take them over the water, how long do they stay there and does anyone council them. I dont mean to sound niave but I know nothing of this subject.

Hiya Steve and everyone,
I'm having to take a deep breath and get my head together for this thread:) My experiences have been very natural, I guess is the best way to describe it. I'm not into reading a lot of books and channelings about method but have been very much into do what comes naturally for myself and I feel it's easiest this way for others too. My spiritual searching has been sort of backwards you might say. I have the experiences and then go looking for the answers to what exactly it was that I experienced. In the beginning it was pretty scarey (as many of you guys know too) but with time and practice I have come into understanding.

I have to confess that I came across this message board through a search and haven't read any of Robert Bruces works. Last night I sat and read a few of his papers online and was happy to see that what I have come to know and what he is saying have good similarities. I don't want to contradict what he says because I find that its good to follow a certain path if its working for you and believe that his work and sharing is very important. Everyone is here for a very important reason and not by any fluke:)

So here goes: First of all everything is done with the most positive intent for everything involved or it's just not done. In the physical... I have a group of lightworking friends, the core of us have been together learning for 24 years.  We found that because of our interest and the need in our community, that sometimes, someone would be having ghost problems or intelligent *negative* entity/energy problems. Most people these days people who have a 'nice ghost' seem to like it and want to keep them around:) Also positive entities are just usually confused about being on the other side .. and yes I have thought about it and agree that they may not really know they are dead. So they just need a direction to go or say it is a child and it's worried about it's grieving parents. Anyone can talk to them and let them know that it's best for them and the parents to go into the light. It works really well if you can have the loved ones also be there and let them go.

So we have put ourselves out there to be a help. A few times we have helped a woman who has a few dark witches trying to harm her... that was the most interesting one so far. Anyway the way we do it.. is to get ourselves oriented with the enviroment. (For a negative entity or energy) Then we form a circle drop into meditative levels and as a group using visualizations to guide the energy into the light. We all encourage it to go and usually when we start doing this it will either leave easily or will get really vengefull. It may try to attack us by sending nasty visuals back etc. One way of containing the negativity is to contain it in a ball of white light and then all together we make the ball smaller and smaller with the intent of sending it to the light. You know when it finally gives up and goes you can sometimes hear an audible scream or whailing sound.

It has been the energy vortexes that we've put actually under the water. They are etheric openings that let all sorts of energies leak through. It's not good to have them in your bedroom or in your livingroom *grin* So we move them where they won't cause too much trouble.... and our channeled information is that moving them will do no harm. We always check it out first.

hope this is what you wanted to know,
in light
waterfall

[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Waterfall, give me some tips because I regularly come across entities on the lower regions that died long ago that don't realise it.

Many, I have found, have body-parts missing, etc., and are still writhing in agony after suffering the most horrendous death.

It's the children, especially, I have a "problem" with. Not so much the adults. I've tried "communicating" so many times and all I get is a blank stare, I'm afraid.

What's the secret?

Yours,
Frank

Hi Frank,
Sarcasm duley noted *grin* It's a healthy thing to be able to look at your beliefs and question them. Mine change with the experiences that I have and those that I talk to that are sincere with ideas that feel right to me.
But having said that I'm wondering why you are delving around in the lower regions? are you really trying to help these souls? if so my hat goes off to you. It's tricky, full of symbology, nothing ever is at it seems and chaotic as theres not really any rules just lures and games. I don't think I would 'trust' anything that I see down there. Is this really a child or a negative entity trying to get you to do something for them? I woul dbe very careful and not very sentimental there.

I have past life memories of having my life 'expunged', my one friend had her skin pealed off of her...lovely and has conscious memory of it, I have been I forget the word right now but it's when they tie your legs and arms to four different horses, chop the limbs a bit to make them weaker  and send them running....quartered I think. The way it happens with me is I remember my past lives backwards with the death first and then the learning from the life. People are really creative when it comes to killing others (intended sarcasm:)

If you are trying to do soul retrieval work in those areas and are coming upon souls like this. I would first wonder if they really wanted to be helped. It could be their own self imposed 'hell' for something that they had done. If they present themselves as children just remember they are no longer in body but of spirit and spirit has no age...they're probably trying to communicate, tell you their story,  with you by how they look and sound. The children that I have been involved with that are dying are always more concerned about their parents and family then themselves because they have a very clear view of where they are going without all of the adult entrapings that we have. All you can do is send them love and energy, try to find out what is binding them and keeping them in that place and release it. I can assure you that they know that they are in spirit but are unwilling to go on for some reason. They have to mentally create that disfigured body you see and when you think about it, it would take some energy to do that.
....just my opinions for what they are worth
waterfall

[Originally posted by kakkarot:]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot:
so i was wondering if anyone has ever seen it or anything like it before, and could give me some info on what it is. (and if nobody knows what it is then i shall chalk this one up to my over active imagination  ).

Hiya,
I can tell you that it IS something..what it is, I can't really tell you..LOL
Lots of help I am...
but seriously...
it's an explaination, a diagram..its also a work in progress.
It's about movement, shifting of matter and how you will portray it in your life.(spirit)^
You may find you will be urged to adjust it... the grey lines you were talking about and there might be a few labels of axis. It will move into a general flow... you'll see how the energy moves around the diagram.
I believe it to be a statement of self, of action and it may have to do with others in that they will be able to understand themselves through your diagrams. Where theres one theres usually more.
So hang it up in a place where you can look at it often. Try drawing variations and go with what feels right. meditate on it and try to find out just what it does.

When I looked at it I thought it looked like a mode of transportation.

imho
love
waterfall

hi everyone,
I do think that everyone is offered the light as a natural process. Some may not choose to go to the light and shut it out because they are too attached to the earth and their past life. In the soul retrieval work that we do we often come across spirits that refuse to go the to light and stay here causing problems in the places that they are attached to. We give them the option of moving into the light..best case scenario. Other times we encapuslate them and move them to a place where they can't hurt anyone.. for instance over a large body of water. Be careful when boting on lake Ontario *grin* theres a few nasty vortexes out there. (Actually with vortexes we sink them under the water.)
It might just be me but some here seem really attached to judgement. A person might be here to have the experiences of not being a very nice person. I know that I have had past lives where I have murdered. It didn't take me long to understand that that was something that I didn't want to do again. It doesn't mean that their soul is any less developed than another one and who is to judge? We can only judge ourselves if we are so inclined. It's all just experiences. I do believe in development because thats why we're here....but the actual learning would take place on the other side. We get the experiences here and then the understanding developes when we're in our truest forms, in spirit free of all attachments to any other planes of existence.

I don't believe in *hell*. Yes there are places where chaos, dark ones, demons and those that choose to align themselves with these ones....but no one is forced to do anything or go anywhere that they don't need to on the other side.

Frank wanted to know how a person can identify when they have crossed. I ask back how could they *not* know? It's such a stark reality that you are presented with. Death and transition is really, in your face, so to speak. You are out of your body, your body may be unconscious but you are out of it fully awake, whole of mind and body. How could you not know something is going on? Even if its confusion initially but then soul instincts kick in.
With moving on it's not a matter of knowing what to do next. An instinct kicks in that you may not feel while still in the body. Theres a pulling... I can't stress that enough because it feels physical although your not in your body and then you might have loved ones welcoming you to the other side.

love
waterfall

Hiya Sylvain and fellow Canadian also:)
A few thoughts...
I have a friend who has many life changing events in the bathtub. He even had a major healing by a column of yellow light entering into his solar plexus while relaxing in the bathtub. ! I would not tell others to try this because if you did lose consciousness you might go under the water! ....but we're thinking that it might have something to do with the metal surrounding him...or even the warm water and the state of relaxation that you may achieve that way.

"Spirit wants you to know that it was simply time for you to start into this portion of your lifes path. the timing had to do with the seperation as that was part of your life/karmic path to leave so that you would be able to process this new energy. The fact was that it was time..preset and not a fluke or a wierd happening. the questions that you were asking cannot be delivered with easy, simple answers.. "

I had to giggle at this message for you...

You do have spirit guides who can regulate the energy as it is channeled to you. You can even visualize a large funnel over your head where the download comes into and then slows down as it works its way through the funnel. I would definitely say carry on just be very gentle with yourself. You have total control over everything that happens to you and if it feels too intense.. just say outloud or in your head...slow it down!! and it will.
We all process and become infused with knowledge/energies in ways that are comfortable or natural might be a better word:) in your case.  What happened is that your crown chakra opened up really wide and accepted all of this energy. I've seen some peoples crowns open up to 6 to 8 feet across after doing a lot of healing/learning work...just like a halo. You just weren't prepared for what happened and it sort of numbs your awareness. It also sounds like it was meant to have a big impact and a lasting change in your thoughts patterns and experience. I imagine that you have extensive past life experience in healing arts or in trance channeling.. something that would require large energy infusions and this past experience became active.

hope this helps:)
love
waterfall


It's there to explore! you wouldn't have had the experience if you were to forget about it now:) Just be gentle with yourself

[Originally posted by Frank:]

Hi Frank,
I just wanted to comment on the quote below. (I hope it works it my first quote:)

It also brings to mind what Alex was saying about the movie, What Dreams May Come. Which I really enjoyed but had a real problem with their depiction of what happens to people who commit suicide. Actually I was surprised at how angry I felt. I thought it was a little irresponsible as to how this subject was portrayed but anyway I felt this way for a few different reasons but the main was that I have recall of about 10 lives, so far where it got too much for me and I commited suicide...mostly drowning. Which translated into a fear of water for so many years.
Anyway here's what you wrote:

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
On the subject of physical death, if you simply live and die without having had any knowledge of Astral matters, and you didn't subscribe to any kind of religious belief system while on Earth, then you will basically take up some kind of lower-region activity.
The kind of activity you will gravitate towards will depend on your past physical life to a high degree. Opera singers will continue singing opera; carpenters will continue practising carpentry; avid stamp-collectors will continue avidly collecting stamps, mathematics teachers will continue teaching mathematics: all completely oblivious to the fact they have undergone physical-body death.

My understanding is that we are in perfection, in spirit between lives. We come to earth, other planets or dimensions  to experience. When we die we go back into the perfection becoming it and the life is sort of deteched from ourselves. Maybe an analogy would be like your luggage  that you may carry with you and show your friends look what I did. We all come over with a path to follow and many things to do, people to interact with.
I believe that we go back to be with the others that we have lived lives with or have a connection to. Possibly like our soul group. On the planet that I saw there were many and I'm not sure how big a soul group might be. I'm inclined to believe that there were a few groups that were interconnected.
The lives that we're living are not a true reflection of our soul but of the experience... maybe that experience would be to see what its like to live without a religious belief system and how you would deal with all of the probelms with only your own witts to rely on.
I know that when people are transiting they often see a figure from their religious beliefs welcoming them or beconing them to come with them into the light. Its always someone or something that they have been close to in this life a person or pet even..but beyond the light I feel we are released from the earthly burdens and enter into that state of perfection, bliss but stark true reality and awareness.
I just wanted to relay what my tantric teacher always stresses. You were born into the body to be here on earth. Connect with the earth *be* in your body, you have a purpose here. Time is short for the living, spirit is eternal
namaste Frank
and happy wanderings:)
waterfall