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Hi all.  i've been reading a LOT about orgone and Wilhelm Reich recently and i want to try some of these devices, whether making one myself or purchasing one with an electric current.  However, what i'd like to get a consensus of is DO THESE THINGS RELIABLY WORK?

What are your personal experiences with orgone and the benefits or effects it provided?  All answers are welcome!

narfellus

Reading through Book of Forbidden Knowledge.  This guy did have some interesting things to say:

For those who are not yet magical cybernauts that needs some explaining: Crowley's conceptions
of Magick pre-dated Carl Jung's Archetypes in the Collective Unconscious theory. Crowley knew that
magical manifestations involved altered states of consciousness and could produce psychosomatic effects
but he may not have been aware that entire pantheons of ancient Gods and Goddesses, choirs of Angels, and
hordes of demons might exists in the deepest reaches of everyone's mind.

Actually the theory was not very modern. Around 200 A.D. Hermes Trismegistus, the mysterious
founder of Hermetic Philosophy, had written in his Asclepius that: "The Gods of the Zodiac are eternal but
man creates his own lesser gods." The implications of this statement are awesome. If we create gods, then
we control them! And if we can control them, are we not Gods ourselves? (En Tuo Templo, Tu Es Deus!)
This is why the late Warburg Institute scholar Francis Yates called The Asclepius "The charge of dynamite
behind Renaissance Neoplatonism."

i for one believe in them, but not the hollywood tripe, not even Bram Stoker.  I also believe there are several different kinds of vampires, including people who drink blood, and then there are energy vampires, who are still living and sometimes not aware of what they do.

But i want to talk about the classic vampires, you know, fangs, bats, Transylvania, etc.  I've found two really good books on the subject that i found interesting: Vampires: The Occult Truth and Monsters.

http://www.amazon.com/Vampires-Occult-Truth-Llewellyn-Series/dp/1567183808/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1354907363&sr=8-3&keywords=truth+about+vampires

and

http://www.amazon.com/Monsters-Investigators-Beings%C2%A0%C2%A0-MONSTERS-Paperback/dp/B008N3HT96/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354907473&sr=1-2&keywords=monsters+an+investigators+guide


The latter book speculates that the oldest vampires stretch back to the Egyptian dynasty in the form of pharaohs who wanted to live beyond physical death, mostly so they could continue the work for their noble cause as acting as an intermediary with the gods.  To do this, they had to create a very special shrine (a tomb) and prepare the body a very special way (mummification). Eventually though this degraded into pure greed for power.

To quote:

Central to vampirism is the point that the vampire was once a living human being and only entered the vampiric state after passing through the process of physical death. To grasp the deeper historical roots of vampirism, it's necessary to take a different approach. Such an exploration must necessarily be speculative in places, since the origins of the vampire tradition date back to eras well before written history; still, there are signposts on the way, ranging from certain odd details of history and archeology to occult lore concerning death.

Our search will begin in neither of these places, though. Rather, we will start in the country that is now called Egypt but was once known as Khem, the Black Land, the gift of the Nile. When we think of ancient Egypt nowadays, nearly all of what comes to mind relates to the Egyptian obsession with the secrets of the afterlife. Few societies in all of history have been so intently focused on the mastery of death and the attainment of immortality. The largest single body of surviving ancient Egyptian literature consists of handbooks to help the dead escape the dangers of the Duat— the underworld where the sun went at night— and achieve eternal life. The Pert em Hru or Book of Coming Forth By Day, better known nowadays as the Egyptian Book of the Dead, is the oldest and most famous of these handbooks, but there were many others.

Central to this lore was a set of teachings about the different souls, or spiritual aspects, of each human being. The two most important souls in Egyptian thought were the ba and the ka, which correspond almost exactly to the modern magical concept of the astral and etheric bodies, respectively. The ba, according to Egyptian lore, was not bound to the physical body and could travel to distant places— its emblem in Egyptian art was a human-headed bird, representing its powers of astral flight— while the ka was linked to the physical body; it could travel for short distances away from it but had to return regularly and could not survive if the physical body decayed or was destroyed.

To maintain life after physical death, Egyptian teachings held that the critical point was to preserve the ka in working order. This required, first of all, the permanent preservation of the physical body— a requirement that led to the development of ever more complex technologies of mummification; second, magical processes to "open the mouth" of the ka and enable it to take in nourishment; and third, regular offerings made to the ka so that it would not wither away from starvation. In the language of modern magic, food and drink were used to provide the ka with a steady source of etheric energy so that it would be able to maintain its existence and avoid the second death (the process through which the human soul sheds its etheric body after death and goes on into the afterlife). The tomb of every Egyptian who could afford mummification thus had a ka temple connected to it, and each of these temples had at least one ka priest, whose job it was to feed the ka of the dead with sacrifices every day.

If the ka no longer received these offerings, it faced a peculiarly unpleasant fate. As chapters 52 and 53 of the Pert em Hru make clear, a ka who did not receive offerings had to venture out of its tomb at night to find what nourishment it could— and that normally added up to excrement and urine, two readily available sources of low-grade etheric energy. These starving ka wandered at night, naked or clad in their funeral clothes, and the pale light they gave off led them to be called khu, "luminous ones." Not all khu restricted themselves to filth; some invaded the houses of the living, causing physical or mental illness. There is even a passage in the Pert em Hru that seems to indicate that khu could attack the living directly and drink their blood. Once the system was well established, therefore, it was very hard to stop safely. The cost of sacrifices and the upkeep of ka priests became an economic burden large enough to play a major role in the collapse of several Egyptian dynasties, but the system continued solidly in place until Egypt fell under Persian rule in the sixth century before the common era, and even then lingered on in places until the coming of Christianity.

Magick is focused will and intent to achieve a said purpose. Magick is also neutral. It's the intent of the practitioner that is either "good or evil"!  

That's what i'm inclined to think too.

i don't have an answer to this, i'm just trying to get it straight in a way that makes sense to me.  Satan/Lucifer did not exist before Christianity took the Pan symbolism and gave it a name, but Evil has always been here in some form or another. Take the Temple of Set in California, is this just a modern form of devil worship with a different name? Was Set inherently a negative entity of great power?

What about worship to Moloch in the Bohemian Grove?  Again, just Satan worship under a different guise?

old question i'm sure.  The Bible would say Yes without question. Hermetic magicians would probably say No. I know that Good and Evil is pretty much a human concept, and when you get to the higher realms of Godhead this forced perspective fades.  One of course needs the other to exist.

But how much are we MEANT to know of the spiritual world while on the earthly plane?

I believe that we as humans are made in God's image, we ARE gods and have forgotten that. Is it not our birthright then to have God's knowledge of the universe? Knowledge is power, and perhaps the mysteries were wisely kept a secret from the masses who would abuse the knowledge if they had it.

But are not occult rituals abused now by secret societies in control of the world and seeking world domination? Did they GET to that level of domination because of the occult, or were their evil persona's and drive for power the cause?  Or are there spiritual forces at work behind that scenes that want the whole planet for themselves?

I'm more of the opinion that occult magic is a tool, and how one uses that tool defines if it is good or bad. To know one's enemy, you must know the weapons with which he fights.  I feel that dumping everything "occult" into a bag and saying "That's Evil, don't do it, don't look at, it's demonic" is just closing your eyes to knowledge.

On the other hand, does delving into the occult world eventually lead to corruption no matter what?  The Illuminati and the gods they worship would certainly seem to indicate that.

narfellus

And Crouch? Crouch died in prison in 2001, but he lives on in this zombified sharing of a once beautiful life-force. He survives in everything putrid and rotten to the core; but, fortunately for much of the occult community, his magick has died with him, and anything that remains can be likened to a few conjuring tricks; remnants of a massive power that was dragged into the servitude of the darkness when it could have illuminated the world as we know it.

Does anyone know the circumstances under which he was imprisoned?  Judging from the book, the first three examples of rituals all involve sex and giving ones body to a deity, without even warning the client of any repercussions. I can tell that this man has/had great power, but it was definitely used for darker purposes.  A modern day Faust.

Darkside of the Moon can be found here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16636235/Crouch-Basil-E-The-Darkside-of-the-Moon

In mining gold , it was from one guys book .  I did not read the book , but as I understand they used it in some way to repair there air .  As his story goes they came to earth , used human slaves , and got there gold . They also inter bread with humans making a new race .  That was the story , I am not saying that I believe it . desert rat 

That is the story as i heard it too.  This was thousands and thousands of years ago, and the natives of 12th Planet were much larger than humans, and they were worshipped as gods (which became the Greek and Roman pantheon). They interbred with humans (Biblically they were the Nephelim or "angels" who mated with human females) and bred a stock of giants. The gold they harvested for their home world was to repair the air, and this left behind a lasting impression on humans that GOLD is so vitally important, although platinum is rarer and silver and copper can do much of the same thing for cheaper.

um, let me see if i can find that link.  I'm not saying it's true either, it's just fun reading


http://www.zetatalk.com/index/blog0926.htm

those were kinda cool!  As far as the extinction though, mother Earth might take care of that on her own without us having to raise a finger

The link is not working.  Any way to get this reinstated?  I'd like to read it.

I've read all of Bardon's work and while i do not practice it (it's not meant for me at this time) it has been instrumental in expanding my spiritual knowledge.  I'm always surprised by how little Bardon is mentioned in many spiritual circles, usually greatly overshadowed by the Golden Dawn and Crowley.

So in the same way, kyo, we evolve up from mineral and plant level. I admit it's hard to imagine a rock "becoming" more advanced, but in the scheme of things on an energetic, evolutionary level it makes sense. [/img]

The answer :
When it is deemed, perceived, understood, or agreed, by the relevant guides & helpers (a generic term; there are guides & helpers of all species, for all species) of that soul, that the particular animal soul is 'ready' to incarnate as another species, (eg. a human); that is to say, if the next incarnation as a human would conceivably, reasonably and probably be of far greater benefit to the soul, in terms of evolution, than if that soul were to continue incarnating as the same animal species as previously.
Kyo

I'm throwing this totally out on the table...

I own a pug that is treated as humanly as possible, by myself and others. She's allowed most human interactions and attention (other than sex). Would this theoretically place her in line with evolving into human species?

A silly question to some, but her expressions and sentiments are more human than not.

Narfellus, i suggest some reading on buddhism theory since thhey (buddhists) have knowledge (acquired with direct experience sometimes) about reeincarnation processes.

I have a CD filled with Buddihism wisdom. It is a marvelous religion. Aside from the core truths of the Christ, Buddhism is probably one of the best religions. My own personal affection is drawn toward Hermetics, although i'm an infant along the path. But infancy is something atleast. We all must start somewhere.  

I've read and recorded in word documents (for later retrieval and perusal) several relevant threads. Thank you. The acquisition of knowledge is an evergoing process, one i realize now that will never really end. I suppose i'm in the infancy in the process and don't fully share what i know with others (lacking my full life's purpose) but is reassuring to know that i'm SOMEHOW along the path to perfection.

Thank you, kyo. Your insights were very useful. It is indeed a topic i find of interest, and the more i learn myself the more i can share with others who ask. Like you did.

It is a complicated process, Kazbadan. Thank you for sharing your view. The exact nature- the TRUTH- of the human/animal relationship, is what i'm trying to get at the heart at. At what point when and where, karmically, physically, mentally and spiritually are such transitions made, and when are there exceptions (which often seem to accompany every rule).

Thanks Aros. I was doubting that anyone would ever answer this thread. Seemed an interesting topic to me.

I agree with what you say concerning different energy "signatures".  We all indeed return to Oneness with Divinity at some point, humans and animals alike. I'm just having a hard time learning the intricate details of the process. Someone was even asking me about this last night and i could only answer, "I don't really know. Get back to you about that."

I DO believe IF the Soul truly desires to experience what it feels like to be the consciousness of a plant, rock or animal, they have that power to do so. Not to live an entire life that way but to share the essence of that particular consciousness if even for a moment.

In Hermetics it is part of the training to transport your consciousness into plants,  rocks, animals and even other people, to see what the universe looks like from their perspective. I am quite far i think from achieving such a goal, although it's reassuring (to me) to know that such feats are possible.

It's strange, i had another full post that has dissapeared. It contained a quote from Alice Bailey that shed a little light on the subject.

II. Christ Will Teach the Law of Rebirth

This Law is the major corollary of the Law of Evolution. It has never been grasped or properly understood in the West and, in the East, where it is acknowledged as a governing principle of life, it has not proved useful because it has been soporific in its effect, and a detriment to progress. The Eastern student regards it as giving him plenty of time; this has negated the driving effort to achieve a goal. The average Christian confuses the Law of Rebirth with what he calls "the transmigration of souls," and frequently believes that the Law of Rebirth signifies the passing of human beings into the bodies of animals or of lower forms of life. Such is by no means the case. As the life of God progresses onwards through [116] form after form, that life in the subhuman kingdoms of nature proceeds progressively from mineral forms into vegetable forms, and from these vegetable forms into animal forms; from the animal form stage, the life of God passes into the human kingdom, and becomes subject to the Law of Rebirth and not the law of Transmigration. To those who know something of the Law of Rebirth or of Reincarnation, the mistake seems ridiculous.

Hmm. I agree, that's tough. I'm a firm believer that mankind can truly accomplish anything, and it's only the belief that we can't that holds us back. I haven't heard about the walking thru walls and whatnot, but i've studied magic a bit and there's pretty much nothing that cannot be accomplished if you are truly in touch with the Godhead and serving Divine Providence.  And to me magic is just the manipulation of energy for a desired purpose, so it's a blanket explanation for quite a few phenomena.

Sounds like Star Wars all over again. There were great threads here some months back about Tesla and his inventions, and the way they have been militarized for experimental weapon systems, such as bouncing energy off the stratosphere and hitting the opposite side of the globe.

Tesla's story alone is fascinating though.

http://www.viewzone.com/tesla.ray.html

I listened to some of Joe's audio files today per your suggestion. Good stuff, but i didn't have time to play the whole hour out, i sort of skimmed it. I'll try more later.

I have the Ramtha books and have read them, and from a theoretical/spiritual point of view they are very interesting. I would be wary about joining a school though. I'm not even sure if the Rosicrucian Order is worth it, as anything that asks for money for membership/learning etc, seems wrong to me. The highest mysteries have always been found within through perseverance, tenacity and practice. Not that i've found them yet.  

Could anyone post a link for good merkaba meditation? I too am working on developing my psychic senses.

Yes, i read that article last week from another source, but couldn't find it yesterday when i looked for it again. Thanks. It is very interesting.

I find it very amusing that George Lucas's Star Wars idea of the Force is spot on with the concept of a Universal Mind. It permeates everything, IS everything, and Jedi are skilled initiates who know who to wield it. The Force is the same force for Dark Jedi, they just use it to harm people, and there is always a detrimental side effect (look at the Emperor, he looks pretty rough).