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i had 5 lucid dreams last night. in one paticular dream i was lucid and talking to my mother - she didn't believe i could fly, (i  told her i was dreaming - i was aware, but not quite at full consciousness)  so i attemped to prove her otherwise, but for some reason i could not  - (my belief at the time, in hindsight was that i thought i was dreaming) its quite amazing how slow we are in dreams - in a sense.

dreams can bonk with you, even while you're aware and "in control" - if such wern't the case every dream would be lucid.

it was only when i woke up i put two and two together.

(in dream) i was walking down my street and said to myself  "if dreams are reality, what is reality? everything spun and i woke up in my bed - i have this habit of waking up and lifting my head up in order to see if i am able to view myself  in my bed - this time it seemed freaky real - looked at my head, i got scared and woke up. lasted about 1 second. i cant believe i was so gay.

it was too quick to differentiate between a dream and an oob experience.

rob got scared

was unsuccessful; but highly motivating, to be sure.

ive read up on all the material this past month, and felt fairly comfortable in giving it a shot.

to be quite honest, i expected to sit in my bed and have absolutely nothing occur; however, such was not the case.

i applied the relaxtion technique, and after that was over i sat there and cleared my mind; or, at the very least became an observer. soon, i felt the back of my head pulsating, as i concentrated on it, it became more intense. after a few moments my neck joined the party. slowly but surely my heart started up, and i litterly thought i was going to have a heart attack. it felt as though my heart was pounding out of my chest. my body became extremely heavy, as though  i sunk deep into my bed. ive never had this feeling in my life - i knew i had a body, but i was unable to feel it - i simply 'knew' it was there. my eyes started flickering uncontrollably. at this point i attempted the "climb the rope" process, but i couldnt concentrate hard enough. i kept ' seeing' the rope, rather than 'feeling' it. i also kept 'expecting what to expect' - the harder i tried to be passive, the more involved i became. i can tell this is going to be the major hurdle for me - any tips would be greatly appreciated. suddenly my eyes opened and i decided to abort - as i was exhausted at this point.

very cool experience. now i can assure myself i am on the correct road to having an obe - can't wait!

-rob

i bring this up only because im certain many folks have never sat down and really thought about it.

it is a strange set-of-mind - the human brain cannot comprehend a never-ending never-been-started circle of existence, so you reach a 'peak' wherein you stagnant on a high level. once you comprehend it - the only way to let go of such is to stop thinking about it.

at first thought, the idea we live forever sounds awesome - but when you come to the full realization, it is scary. you really understand "i will never die" and it shocks the system. i've only lasted 20 seconds, before deciding to abort. it's not as easy as it sounds, as you'll find out.

lie down, preferably in your bed, close your eyes and think deeply about how God was never born and He will never die. just keep affirming "God was always here and will always be here - He was never born" drill the sucker in. don't break your concentration.

it hits you like a bolt of lighting. you then assume the position of God and put yourself in such a scenario. everyday thoughts seem so irrelavant within the big picture.

i've never attempted to force it pay dividends, but surely its a good way to meditate if you hold onto it long enough without being over come. countless others as well, undoubtly.

it's really quite simple to achieve- give it a shot - it's surreal.

cheers,

rob

taking a simplistic stance.

i read a book recently, "psycho-cybernetics. - by maxwell maltz.
he quoted prescott lecky, the founder of the "self-image":
lecky conceived of the personality as a "system of ideas" all of which must seem to be consistent with eachother. ideas which are inconsistent with the system are rejected, "not believed" and not acted upon. ideas which seem to be consistent with the system are accepted. at the very center of this system of ideas-the keystone- the base upon which all else is built, is the individuals "ego ideal" his "self-image"or his conception of himself.

he has proved if one does not not believe something, one cannot accomplish it. it is litterly impossible. i.e. it is not consistent with the system - and it must be.

unfortunately for many here, i believe it would be inconsistent for them to have an obe - deep rooted in the subconscious is the belief  "this will never happen."

so, until that is weeded out, yours attempts will be unsuccessful.

im strapped for time, but can anyone offer a link how to change beliefs? perhaps when i return ill do my best to explain.

cheers,

-Rob

what's going on fellas?

reciently i read one of sylvia browne's books, entitled "life after death" - something i've been interested in since i can remember. it has been utterly fascinating to research.

i just finished  reading "treatise on oobe" as well (hell of a job done there, hats off). i find many similarities in their respective accounts.

both essentially share the same core beliefs. for example, you can look into the past, present, and probable future events. now sylvia believes we create a blueprint prior to each incarnation, to ensure we complete the lessons we have planned for ourselves. she suggests this is how she peers into one's future. i tend to agree; is this a popular theory?

on the other hand, probable future events could be described a some sort of time-line, where past, present and future exist as one interchangeable line, all dependent upon one another. in which case, probable future events do exist, in effect - but since it is all relative, it is subject to change in a big way. i dont buy into this simply because it is TOO relative. you can't tell me i'm going to get a promotion at work in 4 months with this theory - too many things would have to take place for this "probable" future event to manifest. in my opinion, it is impossible to foresee future events using this theory.


sylvia gets way out there sometimes, and her theories essentially come crashing down; they  do not add up. she talks with her spitit guide all the time, however - and i believe much of inconsistencies are due in large part to a break down in communication. her spirit guide deals in strictly literal interpretation. for example, "can you describe what you look like?" she will respond, "yes." much of what sylvia gets comes from this enity.

also, how many here read edgar cayce? to shoot down the idea of reincarnation after reading his books with an open mind, in my opinion, is very difficult.

thoughts?

-rob

whats up folks?

relatively long-time lurker. have enjoyed reading countless posts in the last 5 or so months. i have always been interested in obeing, however i have never really strapped down and gotten serious about it. its on my list of "to-dos." i appreciate all the wealth of knowledge people here are willing to share, and i am fortunate enough to be included as one of the benefactors.

ive had many many lucid dreams - while in-and-of-itself is an enlightening experence, i long for an uplift. something tells me having an obe puts me in a new ball park altoghter. ive read all the techniques, tips, etc. al., but 1 question sticks out and ive never gotten a clear-cut definitive answer: when one speaks of "vibrations" what is one truly saying? my concept is similar to of using a vibrator, only your whole body experences such, all to a lesser degree. is this essentially correct? is the onset sudden or gradual? furthermore, how does one know when to "release" as so many eloquently put it?

it seems to be the most important aspect of having an obe - the "keystone," for lack of a better word; so i must be clear in this regard.

thanks in advance!

rob

as nick pointed out it is perhaps a vibrational level keeping you in a certain state consciousness, not letting you bypass its strangle hold upon you,  which makes your AP projection less likely. try projecting in alcatraz - but as a test, be brought blind-folded into a cell - while it's all decorated, cannot see the bars, floor is carpeted etc. if i were a gambler...

in a certain environment, which has been exposed to an emotional hardship - it tends to last - until positive thoughts override such. you feel a "negitive vibe. and become used  to it -  don't even think twice about it. id be willing to bet when you first walked into your new home for the first time, "something didnt feel right, " a premonition of sorts - but the area was perfect and the price was right. all is forgotten. this of course, only if you're using all the techniques correctly.

keep us updated as you move out.

interesting.

i'm actually a web designer, 21 years of age - for the folk whom are curious. in my 4th post i included html - and it's evidently not permitted. either the webmasters werent mindful or didnt know how to incorporate such, it's certainly one of them. i think i can cope with it.

regardless...

anyway:

"but don't dilute yourself by believing willing can change beliefs; if anything it helps strengthen them."

what i mean is you cannot will yourself into changing your beliefs. there is no contradiction. you have to 'do it' rather than 'want to do it badly.' the more you concentrate on any given isue, the more it will become a part of your world; which is what i mean in a nutshell.

"positive thinking is a waste of time, and waste of energy. I soooo disagree and cannot for the life of me, figure out why people think a positive outlook is a waste... The only thing I can figure is they cannot think positive themselves, and are unwilling to think it possible."

it is not a waste, but it can become such depeneding how you utilize it. go right ahead with it. its cool. just don't confuse it for what it really truly iis.


cheers,

rob

" I've heard stories of skeptical people experiencing OBEs anyway. Also, if I believe that what I believe won't stand in my way, what then?
Positive thinking is a closer fit, I think. Belief doesn't change reality, but it is true that how you see yourself changes who you are."

beliefs exist at a subconscious level - you may be unaware of many. one can consciously believe he is good-looking - superior complex - but in "actuality" they are ugly - via others' viewpoints. however the point is moot since it is non-existent. if i live in india and have a scar on my face, i am considered a trooper with high-regards. in the us, rob ain't gonna getting laid.

the skeptical folks who achieve such had no idea how open-minded they really were in the first place.

positive thinking is a waste of time, and waste of energy. you can't 'will' yourself into anything. think positive thoughts by all means - but don't dilute yourself by believing willing can change beliefs; if anything it helps strengthen them.

you cannot-not believe what you in fact believe. it would turn your whole world upside down.

belief is reality. besides, reality is only one's perception of reality.

thanks for the reply. we all think differently  - i just hope to add my knowledge and insight as others do. i think i'm going to like it here.

cheers,

rob