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Oh, wow... Thank you all very much for your answers. I really appreciate.

Blazewind, you are right, I was looking for the same proof and the same feeling like others described after having obes. The feeling of no doubt. As I wrote before, lucid dreaming was never a problem for me. I always do, what I feel to as soon as I am conscious, and mostly it is flying around or enjoying whatever my subconscious brings up. And don't get me wrong. I really love it, because it was the only thing I could experience far from a normal dream.

Stookie, I tried meditation. With and without expectations. With music and sounds, and without. While sitting it felt always uncomfortable... And when I found a position to feel comfortable, I was falling asleep and felt tired after waking up. I did not like it... Its difficult for me to let go all kind of thoughts in my head.

Szaxx, it is kind of familiar, but whenever something was strange, I did not recognised it. Everything was normal for me, only afterwards I saw the differences, like in dreams when all the strange things become so normal.

Xanth, thank you for your words. I was open for every kind of experience and I was happy for everything, I just missed the last step of what everyone else was talking about.

Volgere, I remember what Robert Monroe and also Buhlman described, thats why I first thought I was successful, but there was one difference in what I experienced... I was not conscious about what happened. All the strange things were normal. I had no memorie of trying an obe before. I did not act like being conscious. After waking up there was no difference to a normal dream. That made me sad.
With other realities I meant being finally "outside" and not only "inside" like in a lucid dream. It just felt like this. Ofcouse I accept it as my inner universe.

If you mean the most famous technique with "etheric protection", for me it never worked. I did not even get close with it. Just falling asleep or feeling bored after one hour.

Kirkland, I do appreciate what I experienced before, especially my lucid dreams. But it was not my goal... It always felt like a wall just infront of something... And I am not able or allowed to see what is behind...

But I will do my best now to accept it.
You all showed me, I might have too much or wrong expectations of what an obe could be. I just wished to experience the same colourful adventures like some lucky others do. So I should care more of what I already reached and let things be, what they are. I won't force it anymore again and let the books closed.

Thank you all again for reading and understanding!

Thank you for your answer... I tried few times to reach an obe from a lucid dream, but I was always waking up in my bed. I had few strange dreams walking in my flat (when I was still living with my mother) and then I thought it could have been an obe. But the flat looked always different from reality and I mostly talked to my mother in that dreams when she was actually sleeping at the same time. I never had the feeling of being in another reality.

It is so absolutely frustrating to have no single successful obe since I tried it the first time six years ago. I read different books, tried different techniques and it only was easy to have lucid dreams. But no obe. I experienced the beginning, the sounds and feelings, but nothing further. Ofcouse there where some breaks, when I did not use any technique, but whenever I felt motivated and ready again, my motivation was gone after few weeks and months of nothing... Maybe I am not made for it... I wanted to paint and write my experiences, but I have to exept that situation. And maybe I am not alone with that bad luck... Just wanted to write down my frustration...

Sounds like an inner vision . Most of us can visualize things . The row of white doors may of been from memory , or just pices put togher from memory . Your English is fine , I know some Spanish , but only a little German . There are other English forums with other lang areas , I can post some links if asked . desert rat

Thank you very much for your answer. (: Here I feel I can get serious answers for the first time. Not like in other German forums. Maybe an international forum like this is alot better.

Hi,
Im one who doesn't get the vibrations having them 3 times in 40 + years of projecting. Theres a lot of info on them and I've a thread here about getting them. Some say they are not needed and others say they are. When they fade is the best time to try an exit but theres so much that can prevent this happening. Keeping calm is a must as is a strong intent on what you want to do.
Have a read on this site at anything that sounds applicable. Im out at the moment and will respond soon.

Thank you, you made me curious, very interesting, but there is no hurry.

Favola

Thank you very much for your answer, Szaxx. (:
If I understand you correctly, you say my way to visualise was kind of wrong?
A lot of times I  had these vibrations, but whatever I tried (to make them stronger, to wait, to think about another places, to wish to project to a places) never worked. I always ended up being fully wake again. Even out of a lucid dream the same happens. This time I imagined to be already in the kitchen and what it may looks like to look around, but then I saw these doors.

You say, you have been there again. Is this a place sonewhere or inside ourself?

Favola

Hello everyone (:

First I have to say, english is not my first language, but I hope you will understand what I am trying to explain.
Yesterday I experienced something strange. I was waking up from a little nap with strong vibrations through my body and a loud noise in my ear. Before Inever could make this feeling stronger while concentrating on it, so I tried to focus my mind on my kitchen and I expected to see it, or to warp there. But instead I began to see through my closed eyes, for the first time. Not the kitchen, but a row of white doors. It was looking strange, but clear enough to look at a row of doors. I was irritated, and after a short while, it disappeared and I was fully wake again.
I have no idea, where my mind have been traveled or what I have seen there. Is it usually to see something totally different than the own surrounding? Did you experienced something similar?
I will be glad about some ideas you might have. (:

Greetings from Berlin
Favola