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I agree so much as I can understand. Are you stating that there needs to be some..."Assembly"....of people on these forums?

If so, for what cause?

I hope you arent expecting some life changing results from something like this. It is quite idealistic to believe there is one source of change for our world as such that would come from a group of people. Change comes from many different reasons, from many different people.

Though I cannot deny that there have been those exceptions in life that deals out the strongest cards to those individuals with enough conviction to stand by their opinion.
Most of the ideas similar to this usually end up fading into obscurity, and most do.
Some attempt to incite action through force and bloodshed, or by manipulating people.
What would be different with this? What would this group offer that other organizations couldnt?

As much as I respect the effort for these things, I must tell you that ultimately they can lead to nowhere.

I do agree though that with events currently playing out the way they are, it would be an ideal time to do something radical....as long as most peoples definition of radical isnt bloodshed.

People have the right to their opinions dont they?

I was personally offering mine, and people dont have to take it. Its their choice completely.

I get a little tired of this subject though because its bounced around, but, c'mon, lets face facts. I know there are plenty of people who put stock into the topic, but in realistic terms, even divinely, "demon wars" seems waaaaay to theatrical/fantasy/childish even depending on how the conversation is going.

(btw, this is once again my opinion so let that be noted that nobody has to listen to my BS, but they can and are welcome to, and can comment on it as they feel free for this is a public forum)

Once again as well circling what Gandalf was saying, people put too much apocolypta into the mix when discussing 2012. This tends to reveal peoples lack of knowledge regarding the matter and their imagination running away from them.
Im not saying I have all the knowledge there is on the matter as well, but I have studied it in depth enough to know the realistic backgrounds and some mythology behind the culture.

Its dangerous even at times to mix paranoid delusions with historical and cultural mythos and belief. It can create offensive situations as well as volatile movements towards the creation of said delusion.

But, once more, as I said, this is my own opinion and if you choose to continue discussing, in serious format, the potential for demons to wage war against humanity in 2012, that is your choice.
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I think Gandalf was telling people not to go overboard when using their imagination.
Its one thing for children to be outside with each other using their creative outlets for play, its an entirely different scenario to take it seriously enough that you try and convince others, including yourself, that certain things which are ficticious, that they are real things.

My opinion is that anything we can imagine, we can create.
But I dont think people inflating their egos telling one another that they are practicing their Chi-ball/energy ball/ chocalate salty ball whatever arts so that they survive the end of the world in 2012 is entirely the right way to approach reality.

which, btw gandalf, I did agree most people do tend to throw too much paranoia and IMAGINATION into certain myths/prophecies, especially when concerning the mayan civilization. Most people dont seem to realize the majority of their astronomical charting was in fact for their agricultural resources, and not believing in any case the world would end on their calander date.
To them it seemed to just be the recycling of time in a way. The beginning coming once again rather than any end for the world.


Also I keep seeing people posting the statement that if you dont like the thread you shouldnt post.
I think that too goes without saying, but nobody here is saying they dont like the thread.

What I was saying is that people are just rehashing ideas over and over again without really stemming anything new. This topic has been brought up in a few other forum areas here but it is either filled with people who are just ranting or fretting or the skeptics or the mediators  who are trying to reclaim some sense of harmony or calm.
Im gonna keep reading them and posting how I see fit attempting to not offend anyone in the process, and if I dont want to post, I wont.
Eventually Im looking forward to reading a topic that has potentially interesting information regarding this area of discussion, and Ill definately be posting on that as well. Just as everyone else

btw gandalf, if you think the mayan date 2012 is incorrect I would like to hear the correct dates or recalculations since the earnest archeological findings show that the dates correspond nicely to the Gregorian calender as long as one can translate the numerical date to that of which is the mayan number 13.0.0.0.0.

what other date would it be I wonder?

Also since the date has actually as far as I know, not been in question, is concerned, the date the mayans, as far as Laman  go, use in order to have determined both their astronomical and  ecological uses is in fact quite accurate when corresponding to the date the equinox and solstice do occur in december, around the 21st, give or take, in 2012, when the planets and the milky way align to create an X or what many may observe is the tree of life, which is an abstract belief the mayans held highly within their religion and culture.

2012 is real, whether you want to associate it with prophecy or not. Perhaps nothing will change, but their will be an event, astronomically speaking.

okay, so is there anything relevant to this issue someone wants to bring up?
It seems to me that though this topic has been not only covered many times under different guises through both historical(or at least as close to history as many can come)and socially inept but culturally derived media/ animation, it should really only be discussed if someone has something really important to say.

Seeing as how most people from what I have read on here thus far, are either just debating the topic as realism and historical fact, there should be backing arguments, but there arent, and it seems that there wont be.

So I say drop this until someone has something vital to say. We all know whats happening in the world currently, and unless I see someone standing in Shanghai or somewhere in the world battling grotesque monsters in order to save our souls or throwing "Chi-balls," whether they are culturally/historically accurate or not, in mid-town New Hampshire at people, then this threa is rather pointless.

Well if one was to believe that scientific proof does not evade us, then one must be inclined to believe that the big bang did occur and that even though it is expanding, it is actually expanding either faster than we previously believed, or its speed is increasing.

Thats a good thought though, because eventually if the entirity of space and all the galaxies arent somehow wiped out before it happens, everything will just disapear from sight within 115 billion years(could be a smaller figure? Cant quite remember).
So imagine, somehow youve come to exist on earth at that time, when there is no light from other stars, our own sun has long since burnt out or gone nova, and our own core also has fizzled away. No warmth, hell, perhaps without the surrounding bodies, there might not even be gravity, just massive, heavy dark matter surrounding our planet....but then, who is to say that it will still exist when there are no bodies to observe it. When there are no living beings anywhere. It will literally become, a void.

Comforting thought.
Will God have abandoned us then? Given up on his grand universe?
Perhaps your right, perhaps the energy we feel is the expansion of the universe which entails the grandest of divine implications, that God is our expanding universe and that as it increases to pivitol points in history, cosmic history, we shall come closer to either fading away, or uniting with the most universal of forms.

(shrugs)

Im too young to worry about it, Im gonna go jump in a lake and enjoy life
When Im a thousand years old, then Ill care.

all are condemned until life is given rather than taken.

Im just curious....probably pointless to ask, but has anyone noticed rather vulnerable feelings lately? Almost trancelike and groggy, as though they are not getting enough or too much sleep even though they may be getting their average amount of sleep, and more suceptable to influence?

I ask because Ive noticed myself feeling like this and more of my friends are relating to me similar feelings.
I will be driving or in a conversation and drift, much more so than previously. I will seem to just go blankminded.


Obviously when someone brings up a point like this, it can create a more conditioned response, as though once someone talks about it everyone begins to agree even though it may not be true but it validates certain opinions or emotional viewpoints.

I wanted to know though because this has not only become increasingly odd for me and people close to me, but when I watch the news, at political conventions or just in responses to certain events going on, reaction seems more subdued, people respond rather lethargically. At least it seems so to me. Obviously there are still those who act out more so than what I am speaking about, but a majority just seemed cowed to me.

Almost like the timing of that would be perfect wouldnt it? People going into barely noticable trancelike states closer and closer to the election. Influencing majorities.

anyways, I just thought I would bring this up, but dont let the topic disarm you and lead you to believe it is happening when it might not be, I was just curious if there are more people out there feeling like this.

"But your ideas of the higher self and spirit guides are from the new age/spiritualist movement."

When was this movement exactly? Spiritualism has just existed, there was never a movement, at least so far as I know.
Religion has not been the single and only path individuals have used in order to seek out the self and soul.
Native Americans before the white man came to this american soil communed with spirits and had no specific laws concerning higher notions of the self to abide by besides following the heart and depending upon the tribe, might partake of vision/spiritual walks or journeys in which sometimes using naturally occuring hallucinagenic plants, and sometimes not, they would search would contemplate themselves and similar to meditation become lost in trances and the such.

"Spirit guides come from the 20th century notions of guardian angels. The "higher self" (please correct me if I'm wrong) seems to have come around as a theosophical theory of the seventies or eighties."

As I said above concerning native americans, they held to the concept of spirit guides and spirit animals.
Along these lines of thought, with religion comes angels/miracles/spirit guides or guardians. Spirit guides or guardians have existed for much longer than we realize. People claiming a spirit was with them in the time of crisis or that there was a spirit guiding them towards the better or right choice.
You seem to just be randomly labeling the established concepts of certain religious and spiritual ideas. That is just it, most of these things you were speaking of were never "established," they were and still are ideas that have grown and evolved from many different concepts and reasons.



"If you don't consider spiritualism to be religious or a religion then you shouldn't consider satanism to be religious or a religion."

"I doubt you even know what satanism is, just like everyone else who talks like yourself."


satanism just like every other similar idea of following the ethereal path towards a higher meaning, can actually be considered both.
There are spiritual christians, but they are not religious because they do not adhere to the rules, they adhere to the beliefs, the ideas and characters within the religion.

Spirituality and religion are what they are and James defined them well. It doesnt matter though in reality, and I apologize if I contradicted myself in earlier posts, because it is the individual who decides whether it is one or the other for themselves.

Do you adhere to the laws of the JOS? If so then you are following a religion.
Do you adhere to the beliefs without working with "traditional" or "modernized" laws of that belief? Then your probably a spiritual satanist.

I dont like that I always read your posts and you ask people whether they really know about something such as satanism, then defer the question to a slight. You assume they know nothing because they oppose what you are talking about. Please dont do that.

"I am interested in spirituality and am involved in it but is it not considered worthy or is it not considered spirituality at all if I don't accept the theory of guides and higher self, the becoming of the "I AM" or "the source"?"

accepting theories and others beliefs have nothing to do with spirituality. We all have similar concepts of the same idea usually, but are at times refered to differently. Dont expect people to understand yours, because it certainly doesnt seem like you understand theirs any better.

fine, if thats what you want to think.

You know, you are just so draining to talk to. So opposed to everybody.

I made it clear in the post that things I commented on were what were seemingly clear to me, seemingly. Meaning what it felt to me. Not what it was.

I meant that by reciting anything you may or may not have studied about buddhism, means nothing unless you apply it. Have you lived the buddhist life?
No?
Then I could care less what you know. Because you truly dont. I dont, and anyone who has not lived it, have no idea. Spirituality is not about the things you learn from books or teachers. It is about what you feel and live as a person.

Stop being so gosh darn factual. It means NOTHING!!!
Anyone can repeat what they read, it does not mean your a scholar by any means.




I hope that one day you look at the people walking by you and understand with the smell of their clothes, or look of their expression or watchful gaze or stride they walk in, that the moments in which you reside, whether they are full of hostility or acceptance, are the moments which build who you are and will be.

Go on and keep telling me and others what you have read and what can be proved. Cause it means a lot to us you know. How someone can be so damned persistant and deaf to others opinions.
I have made it clear of the things of which I had thought of you, and not all of them are bleak, in fact I made it a point to converse the positives, yet you keep pushing this forced defiance of self onto others. Stop it, its not difficult to just accept what is, man. Please. Please. Please. Be a person for a moment, and not just an angry recorder.

Im sorry, Im drinking and when I drink I become passionate myself, but so much more understanding of what we are as people. Faulty.

I dont have a problem with your research into things.
I dont have a problem with how you view buddhism.

It seems though you are trying to convince me(and others?) you know anything about spiritualism just through words. Any child can pick up a book, search the web, or ask people.

Its not about those things though. Its about what it means to you, without the play by play from sources you are reading from.


YOu know what buddhism means to me?


It doesnt mean the literal translations you can read anywhere.

It means searching in one aspect, the heart of any matter you have left behind which plagues you.

It means looking onto the course of which you walk and seeing behind you, noticing where you are and being comfortable with any obstacles you come upon.

It means finding the path to forgiveness and awareness of yourself, by accepting your fragility.

It means love.




man, please dont be so serious about something that should come naturally to us all.
You can live in your darkness or you can live in your light or you can do both with acceptance of what will come.

Just accept the fact that everyone, no matter the proof they think they may have, will differ and oppose in one way, or the other.

Just remember, when you read and try and learn things, it is not in order to debate. It is in order to gain that knowledge, and evolve.
If you still want to argue this, then by all means, read on and scribe what you read, because it seems to be doing you a lot of good.

I know you think your being picked on aryanknight, but you must realize the things you are saying you seem (SEEM) to be trying to convince others are set in stone, the way you percieve them and are correct in any sense of the word.

I think you have too much hostility towards faith in anything besides what you believe.

I think you have researched and are knowledgable up to a point, and are intelligent enough to point out certain fallicies, yet are unwilling to see your own when you phrase them. (If you want to ask what exactly those faults are, just read back. Im not going to satisfy any passionate response by researching your words.)

I think that although you have said you regret coming into these forums, you enjoy it because;
1) There is a part of you which hopes can change the opinion of even one person concerning the areas of subject which you seem to get so easily upset about.
2) You are just trying to get others angry, whether it is to A) Spur them into rethinking their own beliefs or B)just because you get a thrill out of it.
3) You are getting frustrated because though you present decent arguements once every while, you are still being proven wrong at every turn(or at least in others opinions).
4) Your bored.
5) You havent necessarily gotten out much to experience these things as much as you would like us to believe.
6) You have some alterior motive.

Im not saying any or all of these are right. Its just what it seems like to me.
I should let ya know though, that in one area concerning those topics I just brought up, you have changed my opinion about something.
You have shown me just how useless it is to get to offended about these things, and to be so hostile towards history and other peoples opinions and beliefs.

just so ya know though, if thats what you really think buddhism is about, you have no idea what true spirituality is and I am sorry for you.

We are not given by any means, the intelligence we have, in order to justify ourselves to anyone.
We are however given our fragile selves, in order to come to terms with those faults and mistakes we make along the way.
History you can never prove unless you go back in time my friend. Even books and classes and people who lived up to a certain point, can only give you details, from one point of view. Dont be so certain of everything you think you know.

Those who have the most knowledge and wisdom, are those who realize that they have none.

Thought I would approach with my own opinion on this.

First, when calling anything one or the other, whether it is God, Chi, Buddha, Energy, universe, etc, we must remember that many beliefs evolved over centuries and centuries in different regions of the earth. Many regions were hidden away or refused outsiders, thusly the belief structure evolved in its own way everywhere differently.
For example when christianity was brought to Japan around the 1860's, the country was in majority focused in on Buddhism which had come from China and Korea many many years before that.

When the Christians and Japanese did come together, imagine the differences. Christians coming from a new world, believing the Japanese to be unredeemable heretics, and the Japanese seeing these influecing outsiders bringing in devout believers of an angry God changing traditional and beautiful(though harsh for many)ways of life.
Needless to say over the years both beliefs have influenced each other in many ways.


Second I do think that a belief system does hold one back spiritually, though I think that only if that belief system is one of an impersonal nature can such a thing occur. Such as being raised into strict christianity or catholicism. No room for you to grow or evolve your own understanding, and if you do, you are seen as a blasphemer or heretic or being driven by satan, blah blah.

Third, most people need these definitions or different labels of the meaning or substance behind God/devil, heaven/hell, buddha/karmic retribution, and so on for many reasons.
Humans as a whole seem to have a need to label eveything that has meaning, and to label these specifically, gives almost a conclusive theme to them. More substance if you will. An actual meaning behind our existence, though many existentialists will argue it is the question of why we strive to search for these answers, rather than the search itself that is important.

So basically, its up to the individual and what they have come from. Though many people do need to become more aware, there are those I believe who cannot. They are trapped in their own plot of dirt, digging at soil that has been unearthed hundreds of years and then reburied over and over and over....

There are some people even, in my own opinion, who should not try and evolve from their own awareness. I think just as many of us react and conform from each other, there are those people needed who are blind, or stuck in repetition of tradition so as to open others eyes. We need experience and example in order to grow.
Its a sad thing I think to believe that maybe, but until the world has an easier time congregating to the same music in the same understanding of all things, the world will be what it is.

(once again my own opinion)

Though I heed many morals and truths in most religions and even the mythos taken from them and what can come from them, I take no perception of the truth from quoted words from any bible.

If one believes that information they believe is relevant to the use of passages that is their choice, but it will never prove anything except that man is willing to cherish written doctrine scribed in the hand of the beautifully fallible human species.

I understand what your saying though, but my sight in history has a unique impression of the past. No orthodox religion or any religion is without error and I dont believe any religion to be right, nor wrong even.
I do however believe they are meant to exist for our benefit, whether it is to move beyond such ancient traditional margins or to be recieved of a truth.
That truth depends on the person, and it is the individual, not the mass, who defines their faith and where it is placed.


People quote the bible constantly. You know what that teaches me? That people have to turn to something written, transcribed, rescribed from hersay and then translated thousands of times in order to find peace within themselves.
Not to say that the bible, nor anyother is without intellect, sensitivity or meaning, but as a species I cannot(personally)see us transgressing our native coils by attaching ourselves so personally and spiritually, to something as simple as a book.

I have been told over and over as well, "But this is a book of God." Not merely a book, simple nor underestimated, but a written word of our God in Heaven.

no. No its not. Its a book, written by man, men, over a period of many years, in different points of views, in different perceptions of what happened to different people. It is us, the faulted human species who claim it to be the word of God and it is us, the faulted human who so revere that book that we have told ourselves through thousands of years, is a doctrine of Gods Law and the story of the lamb and the dragon.

As I said this is my opinion. I have a different relationship with God than you, and everyone else, as everyone else does than I. Neither more special than the other, but we must continue to comprehend ourselves and that which we have grown up around, in order to understand our own beliefs. I am comfortable with that, and I know you probably didnt reply with that info so that I could respond with such passion, but hey, it happens right?

I dont agree with the LDS church nor its branches, but I do respect their right to believe whatever they want, even in the midst of undisputable evidence of Smith being a false prophet, just as I respect any Christian, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Shintoist, Hindu, Buddhist, or Satanist though I also dont agree with them.

I know many people who tell me they believe because in their heart they know. Well its the same in my case.
I know in my heart that every religion will find their conclusion in some way or another, but it will not be the way they percieved it to happen.
In my heart, I know all those who place their faith so deeply within the bible alone, will not find the salvation they so dearly seek. I dont need to find information on the internet nor research books or survery people to know this. It just is for me.
My own however comes at a different price, a different time, for a different reason, and those who expect people to bow to "Their" god, for their reasons, will find only letdown.

We are not meant to exist to be the same person, nor have the same belief, and Im sure most people here understand and appreciate that as well.


Sorry, that was a long tangent and I apologize. Just needed to get it off my chest since this topic is here.

(personal opinion)
I think God WAS trying to save us from religion......
or perhaps Christ was....(shakes head)
one of the two....or...one of the...one?

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"Please explain when Jennadots posts only denigrate oazaki you do not notice? Please explain why jennadots informs this group we are too stupid to know who we are listening to you say nothing? Then you may follow up with an explanation with what is wrong with noticing that jennadots has made blanket creative statements about the people here and thier skills and basic knowledge and I ask her to stop you suddenly find your way here and say this is bad mannered?? I understand she vows and declares she is innocent however take the time ane interest in your job as moderator to read her posts here please! Then recognise it is your responsibility to stop her and if you do not have the interest to do that let someone else do it."


Im sorry Mikel, but besides the fact I cannot completely understand what it is you are trying to say, you also are just blindly throwing out accusations.

Nobody has declared her innocent(though without taking sides, people are entitled to the post of their choice in opinion), she has not called anyone stupid, in fact out of many people on the forums, it seems that jennadots is one of the more aware in her statements and declines from use of such incivility towards others here.

What exactly does blanket creative statements mean?

It is not any of the moderators duty to stop people from posting their opinions, however it is theirs to moderate civil discussion without insult and accusation.

I think you may need to read over more of her posts before you begin to censure her of any wrong doing, as well as citing others for their own lack of research into certain actions people here take, for it seems there arent many people here doing as such toward jennadots, nor others.

Ah yes. Of course, there is no other title for it to have been. It is much appreciated Shinobi.

The Tao of Pooh

The Te of Piglet



HAHA!!

Here to is the translated beginning to Tao-Te-Ching:


"Even the finest teaching is not the Tao itself.
Even the finest name is insufficient to define it.
Without words, the Tao can be experienced,
and without a name, it can be known.

To conduct one's life according to the Tao,
is to conduct one's life without regrets;
to realize that potential within oneself
which is of benefit to all.

Though words or names are not required
to live one's life this way,
to describe it, words and names are used,
that we might better clarify
the way of which we speak,
without confusing it with other ways
in which an individual might choose to live.

Through knowledge, intellectual thought and words,
the manifestations of the Tao are known,
but without such intellectual intent
we might experience the Tao itself.

Both knowledge and experience are real,
but reality has many forms,
which seem to cause complexity.

By using the means appropriate,
we extend ourselves beyond
the barriers of such complexity,
and so experience the Tao."

You wouldnt know of the piglet book of which I spoke of as well? I cant remember the name of it.

anyway, heres a random quote on the web I found that I thought was another decent way of explaining taoism:

"The Tao is a force that pervades the universe. It is the source of the universe, but it also IS the universe.

Tao, often translated as the way or the path, is the ineffable, eternal, creative reality that is the source and end of all things. Te refers to the manifestation of Tao within all things. Thus, to fully possess Te, one must be in perfect harmony with one's original nature.

The Tao can be understood in three ways. It is the nature of the universe. It is also your true essence. And it is the way to lead your life. This meaning ties the other two together, because the way to lead your life is to get your personal Tao in touch with the Tao of the whole universe."

has anyone ever read "The Tao of Pooh,"?

It is a publication referring taosim(I could be wrong, it could be the dao of pooh)through the actions and style of living of Pooh Bear.

There is another book to that goes with it. I cant remember the name, but it is Piglets book.

Just thought I would reference the two here.

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"arYanknight666.
arYanknight666.
arYanknight666.
arYanknight666."

what the hell?


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"Now that that's out of the way - 0, I am curious as to where you got the impression I was 58 years of age?"

my mistake, I took your total posts for age a while back.



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"Perhaps you should look a little harder at the post where I told you to eat a lava hat, and you will realise why I said it in the first place."

no. sorry guy, but there is no good reason to act like a child and tell this to someone and think people will take it for a substantial bit of information. Whether you meant it as a literal or figurative insult, it is still a childish insult. I dont care whether you wore a hat that symbolized lava which symbolized the wisdom of flowing heat while you were being initiated into your JOS cult or whatever.
Can you imagine trying to offend someone by saying that?
I can imagine telling a joke with it, thats about it. I have read some of your other posts before I began posting, and I really must say you do have the posts of an angry child at times. For instance you had balatantly told someone that their idea of helping people over the forums was like an RPG and laughed at them. You talk to me of wit and intelligence and these are the kinds of comments you make? Then when someone points out your own contridiction such as the "curse" you used also being in RPG's, you felt it necessary to point out that curses dont exist in RPG games and that it was like telling someone how to run or something of that nature. It made no sense.


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"And just for the record, I sorely regret ever coming here, or at least behaving here in the way I have. Not only have I worked up a bad reputation for myself, but I have also ruined the reputation of the Joy Of Satan and, potentially,satanism as a whole, for almost everybody on these forums. I have been very assertive in what I have said, but if only you could understand why."

You shouldnt regret anything though it is quite mature to realize that your behavior here has been anything but.
You underestimate people here aryanknight, you truly do.

People here can think on their own and if someone brings in what you might believe to be a bad reputation of their belief, your wrong, because everyone here actually researches into these things. It is the research and the information gained that tells us whether or not a belief system is made up of faulty tinker toys(Metaphor), or could actually be a substantial form of faith in anyway you want to define it.

You may have been assertive only half the time, when people actually begin presenting real information that challenges your beliefs. But then you also tend to overstate what could have been said simply, and dont think people dont understand certain things you go through, that really is an insult.
There are people here who are completely stable people, very understanding, yet have had reasons in their life(whether you meant it that way or not)to turn a red eye to the whole world.

You are using your secretive reasons for your belief as an excuse.

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"while on the topic I am curious to know what exactly you were stereotyping me as:
the reclusive darkness hugging goth? the "chat rooms only make me feel more isolated" character? or the swollen forheaded workaholic?"

why do you think I saw you as any stereotype? Because I called you childish for telling me to wear a lava hat?
I hold no stereotype and in a place like these forums, its difficult to anyway. I would hope you can understand why.

Im sure your going to just come up with another load of BS to feed us all in hopes of....what? All you have to do to make amends is to simply apologize for your behavior(not for your belief though) and begin having decent and genuine conversations with people here.

Of course you'll probably be happy to hear, that if you reply with one more outburst with no real need to do so, Im going to just ignore you all together. Im tired of this game, and dont need it.

LOL!!
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oh thank you. I was actually quite down, but then I read that and couldnt stop laughing. Thank you!



So, how old are you? Cause I dont know many 58 year olds who have told me to eat a lava hat.

ROFLOL!!
Really, thats the funniest thing Ive ever read.



(Sighs and wipes tears away)
You really have a heard time connecting the dots dont you?
Listen, Im gonna give you a little advice aryanchild.

first, dont tell people to eat a lava hat and to shut the hell up when you are trying to prove you have any viable information and should be taken seriously.

second, grow up.

proof?


aryanknight...go to town man, have fun. Prove all you want. Prove that the world is round and that you have all the knowledge.

But what good does proof do you when you sit alone?

I must say that is very single minded from someone who claims to be part of a "Spiritual Religion."
Im sorry AryanKnight but I must disagree.
Coming from someone who has no religious ties, besides slight interest, I still understand the need for some people to have those beliefs.
They are not yours to judge.
For instance, you cannot judge one christian or catholic by what certain churches have done in the past.
A belief, even modified by organized religion, still has independant nature from that church to mold the beliefs to whatever structure fits the individual.
Are you going to tell me all Satanists have done good for the world?

People have come out of religion with good experiences. How many lives do you think have been saved by what many say is the love of christ? Ive heard over and over again, "I was close to commiting a crime/suicide/abusing myself but then I found jesus," or "I had been involved with a lot of criminal activity and even hurt people, but while I was in prison, I found myself, and Jesus. His love saved me, and now I can be redeemed through my present and future actions."

Its not what others see from that belief, its what you, as a single person, can get from it without the involvement of anyone else.

Its a personal thing, religion, and because certain black marks have marred the surface of certain beliefs, doesnt make them irrelevant, it makes them abused by people citing their beliefs and using religion as an excuse.

Everything has its up's and down's, and though I agree wholeheartedly that the world would be a better place without organized religion, I dont know that for a fact, and am probably wrong.

You talk about sacrifice when you obviously don't know what it really means.
Any religious or strongly spiritual person can tell you, it isnt about blood sacrifices or silly things that once have existed, it is about personal sacrifice. About what you give up to your god to be with that god, to know love, we must all be willing to sacrifice our hate or greed or personal possessions or so on.
Remember to, I am not religious, but I know what it means to be so, and to have a strong belief in something, as I think you may as well.

Also, the mayans at one time sacrificed people, but they were one of the most advanced civilizations around during that time, well beyond what we are in comparison to this age.
Dont allow certain judgements to cloud the truth, when the truth was never in what you read, but what your heart is in.

I have to disagree.

The eastern religions you mentioned including wicca, are more a spiritual path, though refered to as a religion.

In the academic study of religion as a phenomenon in history the term 'religion' can be considered in its different aspects: as an inner experience as theology or intellectual formulation of doctrine. An a basis or source of ethics and as an element in culture.  
Different scholars have given different views and opinions of its nature and meaning. According to Aldous Huxley religion is, among other things, a system of education, by means of which human beings may train themselves. First to make desirable changes in their own personalities and in society. and second. to heighten consciousness and so establish more adequate relations between themselves and the universe of which they are parts Modern Indian philosophers like or Radhakrishnan, have expounded the theme that religion is not a set of doctrines but that it is experience and religious experience is based on the realization of the 'presence of the divine in man'. H. G. Wells says 'religion is the central part of our education that determines our moral conduct' The German philosopher. Kant. stated that 'religion is the recognition of our moral principles as laws that must not be transgressed.'

The Buddha's message as a religious way of life: "Keeping away from ail evil deeds, cultivation or life by doing good deeds and punfication of mind from mental impurities."

For our purposes, religion may be defined in a very broad sense as a body of moral and philosophical teachings and the acceptance with confidence of such teachings. In this sense, Buddhism is a religion.  

Buddhism however does not neatly fit into the general categories outlined earlier because it does not share common features with other existing religions in many ways.


This is the same for many similar chosen paths, but one thing is for certain, if comparing western religions and eastern religions as well as just the spiritual placement of the self, you put a great division line between what is religion, and what is spiritual guidance.

In my opinion, religion, as many know it, is a set adherance for mankind to be ruled under given by man in the place of god.
Even if claimed god had given these rules, man still puts them forth onto humankind in order to abide by.
Therefore, those in religion, are ruled by laws and rules placed on man, by man.

Spirituality has no curtain to divided us between right and wrong, we must chose for ourselves what is and what isnt.
Satanism is more an occult, though many, including yourself ayranknight, might disagree.
One reason I think that satanism is an occult is because it is a formulated doctrine for many, but it has yet to attain any cultured artifice in which allows society to grasp its theoligical ramifications easily enough to accept it as a religion.
Plus the social view see's satanism as more an opposition to what religion truly is, when in reality, it only opposes (In aspect of general social knowledge)what certain religions entail.


religion - rules

spirituality - universal