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[Its been awhile since i posted here , so here goes my latest expereince ; > 06/10/2008More energy and vibrational activityI did not intend a Projection but the conditions were just right for 1 to occur.It was 2.15 in the morning when i started feeling the vibrations while seemingly semi-con. The vibrations had overwhelmed me, so i went with it . Everything was black for about 5 seconds with a heavy buzzing sound that felt like it was coming from inside my head ,My vision suddenly came back and i noticed i was floating in the living room beneath the bedroom . I noticed the fireplace and red sofa and nothing else. I looked again and the sofa had changed position , which made me think my imagination was kicking in, so i quickly left this area and headed straight up towards the sky as fast as i could. Next i noticed the black velvet of the night sky above me with passing grey clouds inbetween it, as i traveled upward combined with the buzzing sensation in my head , I noticed a huge planet towards my right hand side which did not resemble earth or the moon, where was i ? i wandered . At this point i did not know whether i was traveling up down lef or right , just forwards. As i traveled forwards the buzzing effect in my head started getting louder, as it did this it seemed to mix in with the traveling speed i was going , until it had ocsilated on the same wave frequency . Now i could hear 2 buzzing effects which sounded amazing. It sounded abit like a didgerydoo with a sharp electronic edge to it. As this was occuring i noticed two 2-dimensional red sqaures spinning about infront of me, then 1 yellow two dimensional sqaure spinning behind it. I headed straight into them while they spinned about. I then felt the buzzing noise again and a urge to return to my body and started heading very quickly in a different direction. I awoke and checked my reality surroundings, everything looked normal and it was 2,25 in the morning.I tried again to feel for the vibrations to exit , but struggled to achieve them , then i fell asleep Experimental]

Its been awhile since i posted here , so here goes my latest expereince ; >



06/10/2008

More energy and vibrational activity




I did not intend a Projection but the conditions were just right for 1 to occur.It was 2.15 in the morning when i started feeling the vibrations while seemingly semi-con. The vibrations had overwhelmed me, so i  went with it . Everything was black  for about 5 seconds with a heavy buzzing sound that felt like it was coming from inside my head ,My vision suddenly came back and  i noticed i was floating in the living room beneath the bedroom . I noticed the fireplace and red sofa and nothing else. I looked again and the sofa had changed position , which made me think my imagination was kicking in, so i quickly left this area and headed straight up towards the sky as fast as i could.


Next i noticed the black velvet of the night sky above me with passing grey clouds inbetween it, as i traveled upward combined with the buzzing sensation in my head , I noticed a huge planet towards my right hand side which did not resemble earth or the moon, where was i ? i wandered . At this point i did not know whether i was traveling up down lef or right , just forwards. As i traveled forwards the buzzing effect in my head started getting louder, as it did this it seemed to mix in with the traveling speed i was going , until it had ocsilated on the same wave frequency . Now i could hear 2 buzzing effects which sounded amazing. It sounded abit like a didgerydoo with a sharp electronic edge to it. As this was occuring i noticed two 2-dimensional red sqaures  spinning about infront of me, then 1 yellow two dimensional sqaure spinning behind it. I headed straight into them while they spinned about. I then felt the buzzing noise again and a  urge to return to my body  and started heading very quickly in a different direction. I awoke and checked my reality surroundings, everything looked normal and it was 2,25 in the morning.


I tried again to feel for the vibrations to exit , but struggled to achieve them , then i fell asleep


Experimental

Yeah I agree it's excellent!


Thing is these dreams or experiences seem random with me - I v tried and tried to slip into a flying dream deliberately - just does not happen that way with me, it's always on the random chance.  Theirs been a few flying dreams I v had and I think the more you get the conscious intervention or the realisation or maybe the lucidity in these states  , the more you become aware how to control it , and as ya say  its fun when you find yourself flying in a dream  and suddenly assist others  to do it lol  .

Like with me it seems natural to fly when I m having one of these dreams - its like I v taught myself in the dream how to maintain the flight awareness , at first  I had to realise that  I had to concentrate on maintaining it because as soon as my attention  was taken away from  flying in the dream I would start to  descend , which in turn made me strengthen the fact  as long as I remained focused upon it I would always be able to do it lol - and  these days when I get a flying dream  its like natural to be able to fly in the dream .

I think that type of philosophy would apply with alot in a dream - the more you can control your mind to do what you desire and focus your attention on that, the stronger and more stable that desire will be to maintain it.

It's like the imagination is very powerful in dream states - and you're the one controlling what you will perceive - so for example if I think I can float straight through a wall while having abit conscious intervention in the dream then I will be able to do that. I think it's down to your own personal law of what can be done and what cannot be done to what can happen while lucid.


cheers  

Experimental  ; )

Latest dream or Lucid or projection related:




I am free from my body again and floating about the room and house - my greatest excitement comes back again as I decide where I am going to fly outside - thing I can never control in my flights while dreaming is the navigation of direction - it always seems I am not heading in a direction to reach a desired location - its like I just soar through the air marvelling at the feeling.

In this scenario I rise up through the roof aggressively as if knowing the more aggression the less dense I will appear to squeeze between matter itself. Next I notice clear skies and buildings all around - I soar upwards to about 1000 feet and take in the beauty below me.

I am travelling very quick at this point  and seem to be focusing on the flight well enough to  keep  my gravity  from the ground ( it seems in older dreams as well - if I take my concentration off the flight I start to descend ) . Lately though when I am flying its like this ability is natural now - and also the aggressive approach to matter - to squeeze between it   also works naturally for me.


dream or projection related symptoms can be difficult to identify either 1 or the other occurring - in this case  with me  it seems  I m in a dream occurring but  getting  the feelings of flying occurring in-between the dream happening .  The flying aspect was playing itself into a dream occurring because  just b4 I woke up I noticed a old friend wanting me to give him a lift home lol - as if I  would hold him while I flied back to my house lol   but this was part of the complex dream state .

I held onto him while we were on the ground and tried to ascend the air again - I tried and tried    but could not defy gravity - hmm I wandered   - I wander why?  - it made me think of a defect maybe I have in the dream state - maybe I think the heavier the weight whilst flying the less I can defy gravity ?  To me it feels like "you are what you think "in these states it seems the projection or the dream or experience you have will be within your own laws at how you perceive the environment.  So for example if I think in real world that I can squeeze between matter but need to feel aggressive to defy its physicality - then when I am having a dream it actually plays out the beliefs I have.


Regards Experimental

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yeah that sounded like a excellent 1 ...

I enjoyed the fact you bring to attention that  you have to be in control of your imagination to experience the real time zone  as a perfect reflection of whats happening in the physical while out of body and awake . Its quite easy when your not aware enough, but know your having some kind of OBE to let the imagination create things .

Well in my experiences anyways, i m still at the stage of weighing up the differences and learning to control my imaginative side when i get out that is. My last experience was probably the best re-call i v had yet , that i posted on these boards.

enjoyed the read  ; )

Experimental

Lines


yeah its intersting how we all figure the dream memories out , infact i v had somthing simular to that , theirs been times where by a physical object or somthing said in daily life can trigger a piece of a dream memory back  , its rarely that happens , but i can recall it happening

cheers

Sarah

Yeah .....

I find it strange that when I generally leave the body and maintain abit awareness  there's always a rushing of chemical activity or energy picking up, but when I come back to the body its like it never happened , in a instant I m back in without any sensations in a flash.

As far as logging the Lucid&OBE experiences into the computer , their far and few between , its generally the dream recalls I m better with  , but their reckon that's how you develop and strengthen the lucidity . That probably explains why my conscious perspective overlaps into lucidity at times.

I never plan a astral trip or out of body, I always struggle to make that experience happen from scratch for all I v practised a fair bit with the energy raising, but on times when I m not to tired and not to awake I can slip in-between it and have a experience, its generally in the mornings with me. Generally at a point when i`v just woke up but drifting back off, I l try and hold on to consciousness with my entire mental mite deliberately lol.

But I guess because I v logged over 60 dreams in the last couple years, I m beginning to gain more awareness to the experience in my mind. Because to be fair we generally forget dreams easily, its like you take your mind off them for 5 seconds when you come awake and then you v forgot them, but I v learnt that when I awake up I quickly run over what the dream was about and lock it in to consciousness, then write up the story in the computer lol, it generally works.

Thanks for your kind response

Experimental ; )

Morning Vibration Activity:



I seem to come to consciousness @ about 8.20 in the morning feeling passive but semi-aware of my surroundings; next,  something peculiar happens, I start to get the vibrations rapidly occurring throughout my mind and body, then a  silent inner drone effect , followed by a spinning feeling in a clockwise direction , I lose conscious vision but am partly awake still.

The spinning sensation seemed to send my conscious perspective round and round ; it reminded me a bit like a merry go round that kids ride on in a park when they are spinning rapidly ever increasing the speed to send them dizzy.

Next, I seem to be rising and flying near my body, but cannot prove this because my vision seems to be minimal. I go in one direction upwards, followed by a sideward motion, very quickly and feel the butterfly effect in my stomach area while doing so. My vision seems thwarted and I can't seem to make out my surroundings and feel like I am inside a wall at this point (half in and half out). I check the urges to move my physical body( as if weighing up paralysis activity )but cannot detect it. My senses of feel seem to kick into play even though I have minimal vision abilities. I remember the technique to make myself appear less dense through mind power to squeeze back out of the wall and come into close proximity of my body.

Next, I aggressively float straight through my bedroom window and seem to be in mid air now, just outside my bedroom window and my vision has come back to me. I see a car parked up across the road about to leave the street , It was a  modern silver looking car, a bit like a Granada , it starts to reverse and backs up and I notice the back lights light up as it reverses ,and it drives away while I watch from outside my front door hovering just above it.

Next, a very peculiar sensation comes over me, I feel like there is someone behind me preventing me from moving anywhere, although I cannot see them, but sense it is a female presence (it might have been reality fluctuations dragging me back to my body because I was to close), every time I move I struggle to bring it into motion, as if this feeling is weighing me down. I fight back frantically to continue moving in my  current state , and do manage to move, but can feel the extra weight of this feeling attached to me from behind , but can never see them, at this point I wake up in my bed and immediately look out my bedroom window to try and spot the silver car, it is not their , but notice track marks in the snow at where a car had left and reversed and left the street.

If I did leave my body and this experience was genuine I wander why I did not feel the vibrations again upon entering the body? (the same as when I disengaged). It seemed like I woke up fully  in a flash from a semi-con state of awareness without feeling vibrations?.

yeah good debate ,

 i agree "   love "  is important to help a possible connection  with spirit , and i also like the idea that the medium told me , i found it  a exelent  opinion , and can see the sense in what she said ,

Anyone can sit there and imagine somthing  in their mind as a message their themselves may think there are makeing with  somthing beyond their own thaught process , but determinineing the speed of the thaught impact  does sound like a key possibility in identifying .

 And another good point is " the picture thaught activity "  , it sounds like some type of " third eye clairvoyant ability "  to be able to clear the mind and thwart the imagination  and allow  visions in to your mind  without interveneing thaughts and imaginitive states to get the better of you , to maybe come up with evidence to a sitter present .  

Its all very intersting


experimental

yeah the imagination shape shifting the card without you doing it , so you d have to be quick with a clear  mind to percieve the card for what it actually was ,  or learn how to get more awareness in the dream time  and learn how to still the imagination when you get the conscuios intervension occuring maybe .....


experimental


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You see the truth for what it is when everything happens in your imediate space , whether or not that is actualy the hard evidence is questionable, but to you it looked the way it did  , i guess everyone sees things differently in all senses , what i percieve might be different everytime to someone else, or maybe the same to a certain amount , but to each individual its their own way of dealing with it and acknoldeging it to be what it is .







Experimental

point being :


when improviseing in a style of music like  " funk fusion " or funk& jazz orrientational music " in some cases  "  " while you are improviseing and allowing your mind to drift with playing ability  within random ideas( as in experimenting to find tunes )  , you suddenly become aware that you are " createing tunes ,  you are finding ideas on a instrument , to lock in and remember ,  This process is like useing your imaginitive side to explore  and search and find melodies without prior knoledge or influence by other musicains ideas or songs .

I had this philosphy or idea if you like , that if you are nt playing a tune from what someone else wrote , or from somthing academical that you are reading or being influenced by , then where is it coming from  ,somthing you v tapped in to to get access to the  creativity , to be able to write tunes from nowhere , or dropp melodies that you did nt think   you could of known . It lead me to a metaphysical link ?

Maybe in some cases , its actually possible that the mind  actually links to some type of universal conscuiosness  as like elements in psychic phenomina , mediums , clairvoyants , ect, ect , , certain musicain types links simular when finding tunes on instruments .

Maybe that sounds farr out  to some poeple , but when theorizeing and looking at possibilities , its best to cover all angles .


regards   experimental





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hi ,

i went to see a medium a long time ago at a freinds house , she was  very gifted and told me alot of things related to my family that only i could know " well to cut a long story short " i asked her how she was so good at channeling to spirit , and what actually happened when she recieved such messages in her mind , " she told me that "  the imagination and the power of a external   thaught  coming into  your mind has a definite speed .  A message or thaught that you did nt think of that may enter your mind without the intervension of your imagination is more rapid and quicker than you thinking of it , she went onto to talk about the " art of stillness  and stilling the mind to allow a message in and to identify it through the speed responses , she also mensioned picture thaught activity ,


Sorry for changeing the subject slightly , but i found it very intersting


Experimental ; D

another good idea to remember dreams , or to re-call some of your dreams , is to  work on raising energy around the body b4 you fall asleep , i v had some results doing this in dream re-call


experimental

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yes ....  lol


i wander if anyone has ever tried this b4 , or anything simular, and if so , i d like to hear what the results were


intersting ....

hmmm good point clandestino



Someone wrote on the forrum earlier through the week , that it may be possible your sub-con can clairvoyantly re create the true number or card without you leaveing the body to  get the required results lol


Like for example  while lucid , you could be perceiving  everything spot on in place in the physical , to make you think your in the real time zone, but in reality your in a dream copy of it , and even the number or card  matches up to the true  result .  i  dont know wether thats possible or not , but it adds good question to the debate


experimental

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weev got the original thread back lol














Hi Guys....something went wrong with the forums when I was trying to reply to your post, Experimental..... I ended up posting about 5 times, then trying to delete them & for some reason the whole thread has disappeared ! I've retrieved the text (below) & hope you guys can post again !! sorry .....

I had a idea last nite that confused me somewhat ...

It was the fact that if you are trying to proove to yourself you have
left your body , through useing a number or a playing card, which was
previously hidden out of site to you from a freind or someone in the
physical . Then if i was in a Lucid dream , then that number or card
may appear wrong to the true physical counterpart ? , because while we
are lucid the expereince is more subjective...

If i m thinking right , then if i m haveing a subjective expereince ,
i have the power to shape shift the dimension i m percieving ( Lucid )
shapeing the enviroment useing my imagination , even if i m unaware of
that at times , so if i suddenly wake up with the dream in mind with
the number or card in my mind , then it should be the wrong number or
card , because the expereince was Lucid ? . Like for example if i
slightly thaught of the number as being " 57 " lets say , then the
number would appear as that number. ( as aposed to the true number )

But if the number matched up to the true physical number when coming
back awake as i remembered it or seen it , it would suggest that i was
percieving objectivly somewhat , which would explain what type of
expereinceing i was haveing , IE : either astral orientated or dream
related ?

I knows it sounds abit confuseing, its head doing lol , but very intersting

Experimental

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bmw

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hmmm... actually I like the idea. I sounds as if it would work.
There's only two potential obstacles I can think of. First, you're
subconscious might clairvoyantyly read the card and put it in your
dream (pretty unlikely, but possible). Second, if you are indeed out
of body, your subconscious might start affecting the real-time zone,
changing the card value you see. Either way, you subconscious might
get in the way of objectivity. On the flipside, however, I would say
that this problem isn't too major unless you're in the real-time zone
for a long time, so all in all you theory should work. Awesome idea!
I'll have to give it a shot.

Cheers,
bmw
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Hi bmw

I guess after reading roberts first book nearly twice and
experimenting in different states, its projecting my own creative
aspect to experiment within my own ideas, which is great.

My next difficulty in the dream states is identifying or verifying
results against the physical reality" for example the number " or card
identifying , after becomeing lucid a few times it suddenly dawned on
me , that being lucid is subjective, so its possible i could change
the number without knowing through my imagination influencing the
enviroment around me without me being aware of it. If i can stregnthen
my imaginitive state to keep the enviroment " physically real as i can
" then i l know then that the card or number has got to be the same
number or card in the physuical i m percieving .

But if that happens , the questions then raised , what dimension am i
in lol , the real time zone ? or a created Lucid enviroment ? the real
time zone is a reflection of the physical world , so objects are a
reflection of real physical objects, in that case i m in the real time
zone and matching results should proove correct .

If its a dream enviroment , maybe that is possible , that your sub-con
can become clairvoyant and give you the real results to the physical
object your locking on to for all your in a dream , maybe in the
actual dream , it can create a perfect copy of the physical enviroment
your percieving as a temporory enviroment .

I l stop their because it can get abit to deep i think lol

Thanks for your response anyways, i m gonna keep experimenting when i can

experimental ; )

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Hello experimental

My experience of LD'ing is that it does occasionally yield information
which is a refelection of the physical, although this is the exception
rather than the rule. And I believe this is due to (very) heightened
ESP ability during dreams.

But I do have a problem with reading during LD. I don't mean I can't
read, I can read very easily, it's just that every time I look back at
the thing I just read, I see different words!

So if I was reading a number, every time I looked, the number would
change! I haven't tried this with playing cards, perhaps these might
be more stable. I suspect this "property" of LD'ing (ie everytime you
read something the words change) can be a useful method of
distinguishing LD from OBE.

I've posted about this before and would be really interested to hear
other people's experience of reading in LD.

I must put a playing card out tonight on top of the wardrobe!

catmeow
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Magamba

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I have been experimenting with this for a while now. Each time I find
myself in the so called RTZ to look at the card there are reality
fluctuations and I am never sure if it is a lucid dream or OBE.
Regardless, I am able to guess correctly. My instincts tell me that
there is dimensional overlap and possibly that I am not actually
reading the card but accessing the information psychically. For
instance, there were other cards and objects there that were not
really there. (Possibly fingerprints from another time?) I did not
know which card to look at and then I noticed there was a box. Inside
this box was only one card so I figured that this must be it. It was
as if I just knew how to sift through the other stuff. Before reading
the card, you must consciously blank your mind from any expectations
and glace at it quickly or it will start to change according to what
you expect to see. Also, there can be metaphors that your unconscious
sets up. Another time there was no card at all but there was a note
that said, " Happy birthday Giza". BTW, Giza is the name of my dog. I
did not understand this at first but upon checking the card, it made
sense that it was a 5 and my dog is 5 years old. My next experiment is
to materialize the card in a lucid dream from wherever I am rather
than trying to go to the card location. If this works that would mean
that I am accessing the info from some sort of universal
conscienceness.
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experimental

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yeah i like that idea, very intersting , make the object materialize
instead of searching for it at the location . That would be great if
you could make that happen , but you d still have to verify the
results with the physical counterpart to see wether or not it was the
true perception you were locking on to .

And that point about " other things or objects part of a different
time lingering in the imediate atmosphire of the dimension your
percieving is a nice possibility to , maybe thats a logical idea,
because if everything is reflected into the real time zones from the
physical, then even objects that have died out in physical time may
still have left their essence in that identical space .

I m still struggling to make a lucid expereince consistant delibritly
, but when i do become aware ( generly when i start levatateing in a
dream ) , i m experimenting still with checking out the level of
reality to the enviroment i m percieving

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@Magamba "For instance, there were other cards and objects there that
were not really there. (Possibly fingerprints from another time?) I
did not know which card to look at and then I noticed there was a box.
Inside this box was only one card so I figured that this must be it.
It was as if I just knew how to sift through the other stuff"

Very Interesting !So you guessed the right card then? Do you usually
get it right or not?

@catmeow

I experience the same, words and numbers always mutate inside my lucid
dreams (which is very wired, since the mind knows they shouldn't, if
it is a subjectiv reality why does the mind not create it like it
thinks it should be?)
I really wonder if Numbers and Writings are supposed to be stable
inside OBE's has anybody verified this?
I once did a experiment with an other Projector from Brazil, I tried
to guess the name of his mother. I decided to look at a wall inside
the dream while aiming for the name I first saw the name "Berta" I
think which latter turned out to be the name of his oldest sister
which was about 45 years old. Then the word changed into Belta, Beate,
Belte etc

Anyways one other lucid dreamer told me that he learned to read
correctly inside dreams and sometimes reads books there!

confusing stuff!
Cheers Tom


Clandestino :
great point, experimental.... does a failed card experiment simply
mean you were experiencing a lucid dream ?!!

I'd like to throw in one more point.....does the fact that you
correctly identified a card, prove that you actually physically
left your body ?! hmmmm.....

kind regards, Confused

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I had another idea this morning lol




It was the fact that when a ghost  is in a physical space of someone with a video camera , sometimes suposedly " orbs  " are caught on camera  passing randomly on the screen , i m unsure to the level of " truth "  there is in this , meaning " orbs  being  spirits or energys on a higher dimension  coming into our physical space and then being captured on video footage " ,

But imagine as a experiment , trying to slip into a lucid dream delibritly or make a  " conscious exit " out of body, then go and stand infront of a webcam recording on a computer, and try and make yourself appear or materialize  while the webcam is recording in the physical ?  lol  

I know it sounds crazy , but i wander if anyone has tried this experiment b4 ?


experimental

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hi guys ,


i agree with both of the above points , it seems if you dont make the consious exit from the begining and come aware after  or later , it gets harder to tell what dimension were in wether that be "  (dream related, lucid , real time zone , or even further up the dimensional spectrum  )


but one things for sure , and thats the fact  weev tapped in to a  awareness in sleep time  , with me it happens randomly , but atleast i v adopted a experimental attiude ,  i guess understanding what to watch out for in these states will help verify it somewhat .

I v learnt in my own expereinces  that  when  a dream is happening, and i m part of the  " stage act " in the dream  i m generly  not aware enough to take control, ( only percieving evvents occuring ) and  downloading the shadow memory of it into concsiousness when i come fully round, then i can anylize it , i  can do this fairly ok ,

i v logged loads of dreams and  wrote down the  expereince of them individualy , it all helps recall and awareness in these states , i think the difference in dreams and Lucid dreams  is  self evident to " awareness and control " of the expereince  .

Comeing aware after a exit has occured  and still apearing part of a dream is very hard to grasp what dimension  i m percieving ( when i m flying that is ), the only hope i have when this occurs , is through  trying to grasp more awareness to experiment , and test the enviroment due to what i v learnt through reading other peoples expereinces on these forrums or out of  expereinced authers books  .


I know for certain, that if my imagination is effecting the dimension i may find myself in, then i know its part of a dream i v taken control of , but if i can stregnthen and control  my mind  in these states without useing my imagination and theirs still a enviroment to percieve , then i v got to be in the real time zones ( or a dream reflected copy of it lol ) or somewhere lower or higher maybe ( again especaily if i m flying )


experimental

ahhh well maybe its true then ,

experimentalism would verify it anyways , but another level we all have different levels of abilitys in these states maybe , where by some can  get better perceptions and results to others

lol -  this sounds abit mad but a idea all the same ~


Try and  have a " wake induce  lucid dream "  and create a imaginary  watch on your wrist  throughout the subjective expereince , keep watching the seconds tick away and calculate howlong it  took from the point of dream awareness to the point you woke up   laffin


Experimental

yeah  i like that idea, very intersting ,  make the object materialize instead of searching for it at the location . That would be great if you could make that happen , but you d still have to verify the results with the physical counterpart to see wether or not it was the true perception you were locking on to .

And that point about " other things or objects part of a different time lingering in the imediate atmosphire of the dimension your percieving is a nice possibility to , maybe thats a logical idea, because if everything is reflected into the real time zones from the physical, then even objects that have  died out in physical time may still have left their essence in that identical space .


I m still struggling to make a lucid expereince consistant delibritly , but when i do become aware ( generly when i start levatateing in a dream ) , i m experimenting still with checking out the level of reality to the enviroment i m percieving  


Experimental

yep its re apeared  lol


it must of slipped into another dimension and came back lol

the bermuda dream world lol


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awareness whilst Lucid




It seems imperitive  that expereinces within some forms of dreams ,that  brings the dreamer to awareness makes me question the level of reality of it , but determining what type of enviroment we are percieving takes abit more curiosity , because for starters , "can a dream create a perfect copy of the physical space you are dreaming in easily " ? , to make the dreamer think their could be in the real time zone instead of a created dream version of it.

A tell tale expereince i had the other nite  pointed in this direction . The fact that i suddenly woke up and thaught i was awake, but  surpriseingly found out i was hovering instead of walking towards a door ,it seemed to kick in a  concsious intervension that had never happened b4 this way . It told me that if i was in the real time zone projected out of body, then " the level of reality in the physical aspect should not have changed thus appearing objective ( the enviroment ) , and that if anything seemed out of place or odd  to the physical aspect ( as in objects )  then that told me i was flying in a dream instead .

Well ... when i was hovering above the bed , everything looked spot on in place ,  the bed and the walls and carpet and the  door and colours , includeing my partner , which suggested i was in the real time zone   ... but 1 thing i noticed that made me question the level of reality, and that was the fact that " my quilt rose up and hovered wrapped around me aswell as the same time i was hovering . Because i thaught  "if this was the real time zones, i would of just  slotted inbetween the quilt and rose up above it instead ".

This pointed to the fact that  my sub-con had tempororaly created the quilt still in the same place ( thus makeing me question that i was in a dream ) instead of being in the real time zones .  If i m thinking correct, the real time zone appears  solid to that aspect and objects cant be effected or the use of the imagination cant effect the real time zones aspects ( dimensional objects  )  ?

Feelings of flying or becoming conscuiosly aware that you are " flying " while a dream is occuring , is suggesting your Lucid , or getting mixed cross fire of a projection expereince mixed in with a dream awareness at the same time maybe .


Regards experimental

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Yep i agree


The main point to the experiment to me was to see if i could  do this at will, but thats to difficult for me , the very act of raising etheric energy  to then channel into the realisation " i m going to become lucid as soon as i fly "  is a great idea to try and skip the exit sensations from a fully blown conscuios OBE .

And funny enough for all i dont make these ideas happen at will, i can still get some conscuios control over the expereince when it happens ( flying to trigger lucidity )  .  The last 1 i had it was because of a false awakening, when i woke up i started to levatate instead of walking to the door, which autimatically braught me to concsessness as soon as i begun hovering .

Somthing in that expereince was nt right tho , to suggest i was in the real time zone, because as soon as i started to hover above the bed , i did nt go through the quilt  and start hovering, ( the actual quilt remained in the same position  and rose up with me )  which suggested my sub-con mind had delibritly created a  quilt in the same position without me createing it .

So it suggested to me i was more in a Lucid dream created enviroment , that was maybe createing a identicle enviroment to my bedroom to trick me into thinking this was the real time zone lol





Experimental

hi catmeow

Flying as a reality check was my post lol , yes its dissapeared , it was a good idea that i had . i went to look for it today in the dream forrum and its dissapeared, i d like to hear the feedback to that idea

Its a funny 1 because , when i do fly in the dream it seems to knock me to conscuiosness most times, which to me indicates the flyings acted as a trigger  to bring me aware in the dream .


Experimental ; )