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Hi Frank
This is a very exiting idea and would explain a lot of things. My main problem with the theory and I assume this still is a theory and not proven fact, is that if we were "only" constructs, in other words a one in many, life would first of all seem meaningless, and more like an accident. Since science is also proving that the universe is orderly, expanding and following laws of nature be they spiritual or physical, we would be the opposite, confusion. The astral worlds on the contrary seem rather un logical, confused and disorderly, and not subject to rules of nature, which makes me believe they are a product of our mind or a separate reality with a life of their own and not the other way around.

I do realize my past belief system balks at your idea but I am trying to be unbiased and understand your points.

Regards LittleP

Hi again Frank
I find your posts immensely interesting but maybe due to my English not being very developed, I fail to understand your point completely. Let me see if I got it right.

Are you saying that we all construct a separate reality at the very moment we phase or project and that this reality is where we operate. Then, since many of us are doing this and since these "worlds" are at a level of consciousness shared by others, it is possible to partake of each others constructs! These also develop separate strength and are able to in some cases live on after we stop using them, and go on to become the hypnogic images fragments all mixed up in the Maelstrom of thoughts that we term astral worlds.

Is that how you see it?

Regards LittleP

Yes Michael I have decided to do just that, and see where it all leads.

Ha good point. I guess it is the fact that both days the first two people I met seemed to somehow tune in to me or I to them. I guess I am not used to the OBE experiences making a difference in "real life". I know it might sound funny and naive but it still blew my mind Tom.

Regards LittleP

I have a very strange experience to share and I welcome any ideas of what is happening  It goes as follows.

Last Saturday I tried for a conscious exit. After energy work the vibrations came strong and I felt myself buzzing free of my body I came to rest beside my bed. The room was almost as if in a negative, and seemed intact. My view was obstructed by a black shadow sort of thing that felt as if I had a cap on my head too far down in front of my eyes. I tried to go through the door but could not get through. Looking around the room I sort of felt as if it was compressed in dimensions, and after a while I decided to reenter my body. I lay still while the vibrations subsided. After a while of more energy work they came back and I went out again this time i saw my legs buzz free and getting up I tried the door, at this point reality fluctuations set in. I noticed a stairway down in the corner of the room and went down the wooden stairs, the room below was filled with a Grey mist and I did not want to go there so I sort of compressed some energy and shot it down into the mist and went up again. I tried the window and it was as if it was made of plastic film and bent after the shape of my body, I pressed hard and finally broke through to find myself in the same mist outside I was not scared but went back to my body to download. This continued and I had several more exits experimenting with energy stimulation after each one.

Here comes the strange part. I had to go to work as I drive a taxi and my first customer was very sweet I sort of sensed he was having some problems and decided to tell him what had just happened. He was amazed and as we talked for a long time he had just gone through similar things I had and almost at the same time schedule. Lost a job wife spiritual seeking experiences etc Long story but we were so much alike. He started to cry and it was a beautiful time of connecting through shared life experiences. The next customer was a elderly lady. After arriving at her destination she suddenly said. "she is giving you a lot of pain isn't she. I see a lady and you are in two minds. " she proceeded to give me a very accurate and not solicited reading of where I am at in my life. After that I got busy and just thought about it. It was as if I had connected with something.

This Saturday I also tried for a exit. It happened almost identical this time I felt I had a sort of bandage or turban hindering my view. I returned and exited again and some fluctuations occurred. I exited the door this time and went back to download. I kept trying and practicing exits and had maybe 6 exits all successful by stimulating energy.

After I went to work my first ride was with a man, who had just gone through a divorce as mine he had married his wife the same month I did and divorced the same month as well. We had worked in the same company 20 years apart and traveled to the same countries and he had similar social problems to what I encounter at the moment. As last Saturday we connected in  a way most unusual and were both amazed at the similarities of our lives.

My next customer was a young girl. After telling me where to go she suddenly started to speak to me in Arabic which I understand a bit. I asked where she had learned it and she said learned what . I said Arabic. She was a big question mark. I told her I understood her as I learned it a long ago and she looked at me as if I was nuts. She cant speak Arabic at all and was speaking my language. I thought she was lying but she was not, so I asked her what connection she had with that language and she told me that actually she was on her way to see a Arab she was considering marrying and that she had been wondering if she should try to learn it for his sake. She did not believe that I had heard her speak the language.It was very weird. She was very sweet and we talked a while ...

I am puzzled trying to make sense of things and I can not figure out what is going on. ......any ideas or a coincidence??

Regards Little Penguin

Hi everybody
Recently I had an experience that worried me a bit. I posted it for Robert in the Q&A section but I expect he has been very busy and had not had the time to reply. If any of you knows or have an idea of what happened to me I would certainly appreciate your input. The question is in the section about Kundalini.

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Recently I had a very unusual experience. I was lying on my right side and suddenly in a very relaxed state my back started heating up as a sort of different vibration started. I felt like I was at first with by back to a radiator or heater of some kind but gradually the heat got more and more intense. It was just below pain and it felt like my entire back was toward a raging fireplace. It started at a point at my hips and in the end it crawled up my neck. I finally exited and had a very memorable OBE with my estranged brother. Any ideas of what happened, it was a bit scary

Regards Little Penguin

This has happened to me and still does. It seems to be when the hypnogic images become so vivid I start to mimic their movements maybe proving they are my own creation Is that a possibility

Hi everybody. I am presently involved in trying to set up a AP group in my home country. We plan on meeting regular and to do some research into OBEs and Lucidity. One question that came up was if the AP have any plans about changing format making the steering and control of the environment more democratic. There is a similar portal in this country and they have successfully changed their format to adjust to the popularity of the site. If you are interested I could supply a link

Regards Little P

Dear Kal...
Insulted....not the least, why should I be insulted. I was just stating my point in regards to your line of arguments. I meet many people everyday that behave as you do and they certainly do not insult me at all. They do however leave me a bit sad and also feeling a bit sorry for them. If you choose this style that is your choice, the fact remain, that you through your own words have lost credibility and shown your self for what I believe you are an ignoramus....yes look it up. You are just one of the many ignorant loud mouthed persons sprouting off his or her own opinions and biased viewpoints, showing himself to be a fool. Thats all my friend just a fool. In this very aspect you , although I do not expect you to understand it, are actually very alike the very folks you attack and who you claim should be silenced. Have a nice day

Regards Little P

Hi Kal...
I have been following the thread as your statements grapped me. I find however that your arguments do not hold water at all and that your statements seem largely biased and due to a gross ignorance . That is in itself not a problem for me. I also have many beliefs and what I call opinions that I have a hard time letting go off....even when I am confronted with and challenged by someone with better more logic arguments. What I find problematic is that you as a result of running out of arguments pull the subject down to a level where it does not belong through sarcasm and various unfounded statements. If all you have to base your statement on is what you have so far shown it seems viable to reason that your words are just that....words , no substance no strenght logic or even reasonable considerations. The world is full of people who make outrageous claims such as you did. Your reasoning does not impress me instead I find it flawed and must then conclude that you are leaning toward a bigoted throwing of mud maybe because of personal attitudes disappointments or bitterness.

Kindly Little Penguin

For a while I have been separated from my girlfriend of 8 years and we are considering making it a permanent separation. I initially took the initiative to do so because of too intense disagreements arguments but now after 4 months I miss her a lot. I am at a point where I feel I am unhealthily obsessing over her. I know that she might be dating and it hurts sort of deep down in the gut. She seems to want to get back together but is quite unemotional about it, I almost lean to not wanting to as I have a feeling the relationship may no be the best of influences but I am having a tough time keeping up the conviction. When does jealousy or missing someone become unhealthy, and is there anything one can do to clear the air?. She enters my mind constantly and it is very distracting.

Suggestions would be appreciated
LittleP

Dear Frank
Fair enough, I guess then the question would have to be is it possible for us to partake of each others "realities" in other words travel to the same place or space may that be the fiction of someones mind.

I find the issue still quite confusing as I strive to understand what you are saying. It seemed that Monroe Robert Bruce and many others have agreed on several perimeters to describe places they all went. Roberts description of the Grid the lotus, Monroe's focus levels etc

Is that all in their mind only or.....

Regards LittleP

One problem that you need to keep in mind when you deal with things such as this is that many Christians who claim to do deliverance's are themselves quite unaware of their own very strong neg connection. It is my experience that ignorance lack of love and a very judge-mental attitude, while on one hand may deliver the person in question from neg dominance, but it is indeed possible that other negs will take its place. One can argue that it is worse to be an alcoholic and drink a bottle of whiskey a day and less of a problem to consume 3 6packs of Dr peppers and eat like a pig, becoming overweight etc.

In my opinion the 2 are very close, and maybe the whiskey is actually preferable as opposed to a substance abuse and neg attachment, that remains hidden and disguised.

It has a lot to do with the attitude and maturity of your friends and where his/her faith seems to "run".

Just an opinion

Regards LittleP

Hi Frank
Yes I agree and I am on the same page in this regard. I guess the question or debate became "why can you not just accept that Carlos was a great thinker no matter if he is a proven liar".

I guess that was where I came in. Maybe he was a great thinker I have no idea, I guess it is possible, however I feel violated when I am asked  to accept his drug induced experiences constructs and tales, as a path I would be wise to follow.

Thats all

Regards LittleP

LittleP:

However, once we fully realize we create our own reality, we become free of the restrictions we previously placed on ourselves;

Knowing that we do create our own reality, frees us from the burden of thinking that we are in some way "at the mercy" of events.

We realize, for example, that "astral realms" do not actually exist as some independent place. What we call astral realms is merely a framework of limitations that we choose to adopt for the purposes of our experience.

Yours,
Frank

Thank you for the reply Frank. I must say that it puzzles me for a couple of reasons. Let me see if I understand you right before I attempt to disagree

In your opinion and using the quotes above, the Astral is merely a product or construct of each individuals level of understanding, in other words not "real" if we define real, as a a destination occupying its own place in space or time, maybe at a different dimension level.

If this is the case and if I merely construct these worlds that I move and explore in, how come some people in these worlds are willing to engage in sex or whichever activity I chose to engage in , and some are not. I have had that experience several times. Some of these folks seem very set in their ways, are they other travelers or my constructs however embodying various aspects of my consience.

From what I understand this theory that you put forth seem to be very different from RBs thoughts and theories as I understood them in Astral Dynamics.

I hope that I make myself clear

Regards LittleP

Dear Frank
"Oh the games people play now every night and every day now"  That used to be an old song from way before many who post here would know.

I have a question about this subject. So far I have had most success denying myself sex in the astral or Lucid environment as it has always seemed to shorten my experiences and also because it was recommended by Robert.

If we assume that Like attracts like how does one make sure that this game is not played with a low life of some kind or maybe even an incubus masquerading as whatever.

Do you have a way to assert this or do you only play this game with entities you trust. In other words do you practice safe sex in the astral and if so how?

Thanks for the input

LittleP

Dear Adrian
Thank you, I think I understand and certainly find it fair that you indeed did withdraw this essay from any book you are writing. From what I remember this very question was discussed once upon the very beginning of the AP, in a long forgotten thread, and indeed the reason the Christian forums were opened. As far as I remember Beth was at that time asked to moderate, which she did very well. The thread was a hot potato, and brought some very sharp remarks from many Robert as well. "Satan deceives you" as the name of the thread read, was as I recall finally closed as the subject died a natural death.

I have since then made an attempt to research this very issue myself and though I cannot say my research is in any way conclusive, I have come to realize that Christianity and the truth it contains in the Bible may indeed be a whole more complex than I at first assumed, and God may indeed be a whole lot bigger than I ever thought   . To some this may appear silly or even smack of heresy, so be it, but to me this was a revelation of sorts.

I have however asserted from my research reading Origin, Josephus Flavious, and many others that the truth is very difficult to determine, as each view and indeed each person involved in the actual history through writings direct or indirectly all seem to have had their own agenda, and could indeed be deemed predisposed or subjective.

In the light of that, it seems wise to say, as you did, that

"this is my opinion, in the light of my research and the sources I choose to believe as true, but it is only my belief, and not unquestionable".

I might add that I really do not know what to believe on the subject and have come to the conclusion that maybe it does not matter all that much, I have no bone to pick with either side.

Thanks for all you do on the site and your always appreciated opinions.

Regards LittleP

Dear Adrian
I have always observed you as being quite fair in your assessments and additions to various discussions, and in the light of that I would say that I find it rather out of character for you to reply in such a biased way. Whether you are right in your assumptions and no matter if the points you bring out in your essay are correct or not, I find that it is important that you yourself realize they are as such so far unsubstantiated.

I find it rather confusing that you at one hand doubt the validity of Christian research, claiming it to be biased, yet at the same time refusing to divulge the material based on which you draw your own conclusions. I would like to ask you to clarify this stance, as it seems to me very confusing, and if insisted on quite hypocritical. Stating that you simply do not have time, is disheartening. If you have time to write and post at such length yet not to complete your very interesting article with the proper Bibliography and literature, I will have to deem it only once again someones unsubstantiated theory.

I am at the moment very emotionally connected to this subject and am looking for the truth, not someones belief or fancy full ideas, be they Christian or Buddhist or otherwise.

Thanks for the time

Yes I recognize it very well. To me it sounds like and feels like the rainbow lands Robert talks about. I have been there often and always get totally emotional due to the peaceful atmosphere that seems to permeate everything.

Regards LittleP

I really have no problem with that however I think it is a very important issue that we as responsible seekers of truth if you will, draw a line between those who conclude or theorize based on experience, that of one self or others, and those who knowingly deceive and make guesses based on nothing but their own Fancy full hopes and wishes or worse their desire to be thought of as great original thinkers writers or the like. The motive in a persons heart will often though not always be a very important factor. It seems evident that Castaneda deceived on purpose, and for this fact he separates himself from others such as Robert Bruce Monroe Martinus etc etc. It is one thing to have one opinion till life teaches you that it was flawed and you adapt another, it is quite another to make up people and places and draw conclusions based on hearsay fantasy and imagination. What do you think?
Regards LittleP

In a way it raises another question Frank and Gandalf. Is it possible to be led astray so to speak. If we assume that there is a right and wrong reality or nature or laws governing the multilayer dimensional universe, astral world or whatever we call it, would it not hinder rather than help in the gathering of information to facilitate growth. In another thread Mustang has gone to great lengths to expose the false hoods of Castaneda as an author in anything but the realm of fiction, but some get rather irritated and critical saying that it does not matter if he tells the truth or not, and they then experiment with various plants datura etc and draw conclusions in real life based on this fiction. Where is the line and when does it become counter productive. One could argue that Fundamentalist Muslim thought or Christianity for that matter also have aspects of truth and so they might also be beneficial. It is an interesting point that almost deserve a thread on its own so maybe I will make it.

Regards LittleP

Ilithmar
You raise a very good question. Is the main purpose of our existence to "enjoy"......or ? I guess you may have said that in a rhetorical way but lets for a minute ask that question. What is our purpose in life. Is it to feel without understanding is it to experience without learning and is it to enjoy without growing?

My own way of seeing this is that in youth we are mostly wrapped up in in the experiences but later in life or shall we call it maturity we start to ask more in depth questions and become more interested in what makes the world and people tick so to speak. As we do this we become increasingly more concerned with truth. If people tell truth we can add their experiences to our pool of knowledge and circumstantial experiences to explain different issues. However if people lie it messes up this pool of knowledge if you will, with falsehoods, making it even harder to determine the true nature and reason for various questions we may have.

In a way it seems unimportant that Carlos lied but to many of us it is disheartening as we now have to throw out his entire testimony as unreliable. As in a court if a witness perjures himself he is deemed false and expelled from presenting his case, his books now have to join the ranks of fiction. Although they makes up interesting reading, and no doubt contains insights and truths to some unknown extend, they cannot be trusted and have to be dismissed as we look else where for a reliable source, may that be in our own life or in the lives and experiences of others.

This is why so many of us have very little interest and patience with his claims and this is why so many respond with such gusto. I hope you understand my point though we may not agree on the conclusions I have made.

Regards Little P

A question. Like you I have also stopped drinking. I feel a lot better but still......some of my most memorable WILDS happened in the morning after a nights drinking with a very strong hangover. I still cant quite understand this. It also seems that my OBEs have somewhat stopped now I live a cleaner life, maybe I am focusing too much on the physical.

I just felt I had to add a few observations here. What you describe has been my problem for several years. I have therefore consistently been going for daylight projections. After maybe 200 I have now lost this fear and are projecting at night. It seems that certain things cannot be hurried along, and sometimes we just have to take the time it takes to overcome certain resistances along the way.

I think that part of why I am here is to learn that before any truth can be learned falsehood must be confronted and dismissed....as well as having the guts to stand up for the truth , where and when I see it.