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yes that is what i meant... but everyone must be referencing something?

ok, i am sure this exists somewhere here, or on the internet: a list of each phase and what it is associated with. i am curious as i have never successfully used the hemi-sync audio to project. however, i can definitely attest to different levels and achievements while projecting. can someone point me in the right direction?

my experiences were just like yours until very recently. i read somewhere to pretend like you are being shot out of a cannon, and that worked for me. i will be honest, i tried it again after that time, and had trouble... but i still got outside my house. i have heard people mention intent a lot here as well. be positive. if you don't think you will be able to go far, you won't, etc. i found the "cannon" thing to be most effective immediately. roll out, stand up, squat down, and try to get out of there good luck!

interesting. i actually just had a "similar enough" experience... though it wasn't painful. it is why i am now up at 5 in the morning and NOT ready to lay back down. it's why i am on the site. i took some pain medication earlier today, so not alcohol. i didn't "wake up" out of my body, i consciously projected.

HOWEVER, i would like to comment on the seemingly ill effects of substances/obes. i can't even for sure say that was the problem, but it is what my bf suggested and it makes sense.

pretty much, i found myself in sleep paralysis (my goal was a projection) and i rolled out as i was unable to just stand up at first. i had tried standing up a couple times and kept finding myself drug back down to my body. so i got out by rolling out, but once that was accomplished i felt GLUED to the floor. i finally was able to get up and i walked through my bedroom door briefly as i couldn't seem to "jump" out of the room. i kept being pulled back. eventually i did get out, out of the house i mean, but i couldn't see much/was very sluggish, and i ended up back with my body. i had decided to abort the whole thing but i could not become un-paralyised. i had a couple of false awakenings, as confirmed by my bf who could not hear me begging him to pinch me/move me/talk to me. apparently i seemed peacefully asleep :/

i'm pretty upset about it because it has recreated the fear associated with obes i had worked to overcome. so, to the OP, your experience sounds worse, but i get it... can anyone else comment on whether it could have been the substances that contributed to these experiences? or was i just in a bad head space? or maybe it was the head space, but that was b/c of the medication? from what the comments said maybe you all think it is a state of mind thing ? yuck. that really was unpleasant.

i don't know what this comment will be worth, but the first time i projected, i had given up. like, i wasn't trying to meditate or ANYTHING at the time. i was taking a nap! however, i had been trying for a long time before that. i didn't read through all the posts, and i don't know what you HAVE achieved, but i had gotten some places with this before i was successful. i can remember during attempts feeling like i was rotating around my body by my head and other partial separations. sometimes i could only move my hands. so, don't discount the small progress. when it finally did happen, it was like i was just ready for it. and here is the other thing, that was like 10 yrs ago. even though i was able to project sometimes i still had major problems. i never got further than the room until 2 days ago! mostly because i had GIVEN UP hope it happens for you!

good point. i still feel skeptical in a way, but letting go a bit has helped me so much.

also, i like what you said about having a local environment... i haven't had a lucid dream in a long long time, but even my normal dreams seem to often take place in come kind of space i have built. i have tried to have the conversation with those that are close to me... to no avail. like i might have said "do you have a dream world, like, places you go back to over and over in dreams?". heh, don't think anyone has said yes yet, but i bet some of the members here relate. i hope to learn things from here, although to answer my own question, i think i will skip all that phase work unless i have trouble in the future. thanks for the response!

... and see confusing hallucinations of shadow people and/or entities as your semi controllable physical eyes miss match and misinterpret shadows in your room.

wow thanks for mentioning that. i have projected a lot, but am only just getting "good" at it. i found myself projecting at a friend's house where numerous people have perceived some nasty energy... i let myself get scared and found myself in sleep paralysis with my eyes open. saw weird, um, shadow people, yeah. it was awful because i was almost at a point of no return projection wise but my eyes were open! glad to hear it was likely hallucination! ditto. do not recommend! (didn't help i had just listened to a coast to coast AM radio show about this very phenomenon, only they believe in the shadow people... heh)

it is definitely normal, and it can be kind of scary. i kind of look forward to the vibrations though; it means i can project! i am just getting to the point where they are less pronounced. but i still feel an electrical type current. i have also had a very increased heart rate, trouble breathing, all that. just try to stay relaxed when it happens. even focus on it. for me it is a sign that i am able to separate. i can just stand up now, or roll out effortlessly, but before, i would feel the vibrations and separate my appendages first, get as "out" as possible without being completely so, and then roll out. that was the easiest method for me starting out. good luck!

so, i have only posted here a couple of times. including the new member intro, so i don't know how many of you will remember those posts (or maybe even POST lol). well, as my name suggests, i have been a little skeptical about my experiences... until now. okay, that is not true, when i was in high school i was really into it and really believed it and i lost touch with that. i am 26 now so we are talking a period of maybe 7 or 8 years of pretty hard core atheism. freaks me out now. BUT anyways.

i came to astral pulse in the first place because i had had a couple of random projections, first time in a while. since that time, since i came here and started back on that path, things have become uncannily odd. like the "universe" or what have you is communicating with me. be it through other people (i have met some awesome people!) or through my own awakening. it is really great. so anyways, i am here now because i have made AMAZING progress. in my introduction post i mentioned being astrally blind. i have been able to project at least multiple times every few days, and as of yesterday, I CAN SEE. like SEE SEE. lol  i read this tip somewhere else on the net, rub your hands together and blow on them? it worked, but now i realize i just have to want to see. i am finally not so overwhelmed with being out of my body i can focus on that stuff.

but today, i made a major milestone. apart from sight, i was able to get further away. i always find that so hard. so i tried something else i had read: being fired out of a cannon lol. but it worked! and this is what i want to talk about. seeing was SOOOOOO much easier away from the body. for one, i was less distracted. didn't feel like my body was trying to pull me back. how exhilarating! but this is what i would like you all to comment on, it was not the physical outside world, at all. i live in atlanta, ga. wherever i went looked NOTHING like where i live. it was very flat, sparse but fully grown trees... almost landscaped looking, like they were evenly spaced. i was too excited to think about it much. i kept running, and jumping, and flying. ha. i eventually encountered a building, and here is where i remembered i should TRY to accomplish something/contact something, because i have made touch with guides and stuff in lucid dreams. so i made a call that i wanted to speak to someone. there were no doors in the building, and things were becoming oddly physical. i think i had just been out too long because it is all very fuzzy now. i kept struggling through the walls and looking for someone i was sure was about to be there. but that is when i got pulled back. i think my snoring bf didn't help.

man i have so much to say, but i will start here. i want to talk to you all about the phases and why you use them, or why i should maybe use them if i can accomplish things without them. why do you think they are helpful? sigh, but mostly i want to talk about my milestone, and get to know you! so happy 

yes, i am skeptical about whether i am really leaving my body or not even though it certainly feels that way. i'm not a skeptic about lucid dreams. i have had plenty of em. my lucid dreams should make me less skeptical about OBEs though, really, i have had discussions with "spirit guide" types in the dreams. however, at the time these convos occured, i was deeply interested in all of this type of subject matter, and can't help wonder if that was contrived as well. i don't like being a skeptic. lol. i want it to be real (i know i am going to hear about that statement!), but i am just too rational. i can't have "faith" in the reality of it. i tend to dismiss it as the power of my mind etc. arguments i am sure you have heard many many times. i am willing to, and would like to, believe it if it seems the most rational explanation for my experiences. and i think i mentioned before, if i could fix the astral blindness problem, i think i would be more convinced. the fact i can't see makes it seem more likely i, and my consciousness, are still laying in bed and that's why i can't see! lol, but if i can work on that i don't think it would take more than a little nudge to convince me i am not in a physical state of being during the times i feel i am having an OBE.

Thanks for moving this, I thought I looked for an introduction thread, but I must not have looked very hard!

wow. I went and looked at those energy exercises. Maybe I def started running before walking. you see, I can reach a state where i can leave my body so easily. i will tell you a bit about my process, and maybe that will help give you all a bit more framework here. i usually don't set out to have OBEs anymore. Usually, i am just laying down for a nap or something of the sort. It starts as a very strange sensation (energy?) that I can only think to describe as starting to feel slightly detached from my physicality. At this point i've done it enough, I just focus on maybe freeing my "feet" or something first, until I only feel like I am in my head, then, I will try all "roll over". Instead of actually falling out of bed, I free my astral body. At that point, I have had many different levels of control. The time I accidentally projected in class, I felt like I had to literally drag myself away from my body, the first OBE I ever had I had no control and bounced around, continuously floating to the ceiling, and more recently I have some control of where I go, but I feel so "blind" and overwhelmed I don't usually make it far. I will ABSOLUTELY check out some more info on the forums here, as it seems step one is to take a more methodical approach, and get back to actually educating myself about exercises I can do. I guess I am silly for thinking well, the hard part is over, I can leave my body, so there must be some instant switch to make me a better projector. *sigh* I dunno. Thoughts???

Hi all. I'm happy to get back into an online community such as this, as I have been having LDs and OBEs for 10ish years now, but have not belonged to a forum for some time indeed! As my name suggests, I am a SKEPTIC, lol. Despite the overwhelming experiences I have had (which I am sure I will share soon enough!) I am also a lil too rational, and believe my brain may be a very VERY powerful organ indeed... all that aside. I found myself in a very conducive place for OBEs (for me) today. For me, it is that time when I am tired, but not enough to go into deep sleep. I stay lucid. I almost can't HELP but "leave my body" during these times. Back in high school, when I first started experiencing "astral phenomenon" it would even happen when I would lay my head on the desk at school! It's funny because I worked so HARD to make it happen for YEARS, before the skepticism of of course then, once I figured out the best method for me, it's TOO easy. So, ANYWAYS, my biggest roadblock, and honestly, the biggest reason for being so skeptical is my astral blindness. I read about it in the FAQ, but it didn't really answer my questions. It only confirmed it is a COMMON problem. That's where YOU all come in! yea! I can't see As in the FAQ, sometimes when I try to open my eyes, I affect my PHYSICAL eyes. No good. I have trouble getting very far away from my body as well. When it comes down to it, I am quite a beginner, despite the fact I can't even count the number of experiences I have had. I can elaborate on anything pertaining to these experiences if you all would like, but I figured I would start with this, and see what you all want to know about me and my OBEs to best help me out. I'm tired of bouncing around in the DARK!!!! lol. BTW, I do have SOME sense of my physical surroundings, but not with complete confidence. It's more like, I think I am about at my door or, I have reached the ceiling of my room... if that helps. Today, I managed to get A WEE WEE bit of sight, but through the slits of my eyes I think, and I think they were the wrong eyes too. The tangible ones Hope to hear from you all soon! I also have some good knowledge and exp. with LDing. Hope I can add to and help the community here! Thanks!!!!