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When it comes to meditation and astral projection, don't worry about the specifics of attaining it too much.

It's more of the process than anything else.  The more you do it, the more it will come naturally to you over time.  The problem I've been having has been that bone-deep tickling making me go almost laughing mid-trance and possibly mid-projection, so I just ignore it best I can.

Keep on keepin on man.

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Hah, thanks for the support guys...  That's one of the things I love about the internet, it connects human experiences from all around and one doesn't seem as nearly alone as one might feel without it.

I strive to be real to myself and others; the good, the bad, and the ugly.

I think there are many, many more possibilities contained within the human mind alone than what some believe must expressed through external sources...   I'd have to say the most amazing thing about that story to me was the fact that I had a direct and tangible result of one's action (karma) in it's most concrete form.

But, I feel quite good, my dream recall is finally starting to recover as a result.

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I haven't been to this forum in quite awhile, and this is one of my first few posts hopefully among many.

In my fourteenth year of existence I found my way towards the subject of astral projection while in another forum about dreaming and was one among the "projections are merely hallucinations akin to dreaming" crowd.  I tried one method recommended to me and one morning to my surprise I experienced the fabled vibrations so much talked about in Bruce's treatise and book and almost immediately afterward developed my astral sight.  Needless to say, this took me quite off guard and threw my entire outlook on life completely upside down.  Prior to this I was quite depressed, and felt no ultimate meaning or truth developing in my life...  Afterward I read all I could on the subject, virtually consuming the knowledge in his book as fast as I could, trying to recreate that amazing state...  I felt so close numerous times...  I could recreate the trance state at will, developed my  chakras, and was meditating daily...  Sadly, soon after I fell into the pit of drug abuse (marijuana) he so warned about in his book and shot all the previous progress I had made in the matter.

I fell yet again into the abysmal depression I had experienced as a younger man for another two years until we come up to a time very recent.  I began meditating again quite frequently, trying to fulfill the Buddhist principles of good karma (action) and benevolent love and compassion for all life in it's many forms, and I began feeling very good about life.   Sobriety and happiness were not synonymous until now and I felt a very real and tangible sense of exuberance and purpose permeating my being...    

And oddly enough, as this developed, I was anxious to try a new drug, a new panacea, much like the one that had before sent me down that dark slope of passive Nihilism and mental decay.  Salvia Divinorum I somehow thought would give me an even greater perspective and scope on life in all it's intricacies and beauty.  I had acquired this substance after much anticipation on my part and much irritation on the part of my sibling having to find it for me.   It engendered inside a state of pure confusion and fear, in great contrast to the near-bliss and contented state I had felt a few hours earlier.  The next day felt much the same and there was a lot of pain and sadness, almost to the point of tears...  After a lengthy debate, almost a self-dialogue of sorts with a friend of mine, I decided to cast away my fetters and give up drugs altogether in order for my more spiritual nature to be cultivated.

How this has anything to do with OBEs and love, compassion, and spirituality is up to you guys, somehow it just flooded out and needed to be said to some soul out there in cyberspace.

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I had found that the ultimate truth, the ultimate happiness, the ultimate panacea could only be found within.

double post, oops.

In response to Jenadots, that is all true.  It's not another militaristic revolutionary power that will win the day and make things better.  It takes a social revolution of sorts.  The counter-culture had some noble goals (some quite un-noble) but failed to make the movement coherent and was crushed and then absorbed into modern society.  I simply can't take this culture any more, perhaps I'm insane, who knows.

What else to aim for but change?  (We're probably going to invade Iran soon based on the current events.)  Most people can't see through what they are supporting.  I think there are more than you think like me, losing the political faith.  I'll admit that I may be quite immature and you can just blow me off considering I'm a 15 year old pup, but the future of this country is looking very grim after the power-grab and the resource eating of the 50's onward.  

All I want is to be free, I suppose that may be the psychological need for separation at this time of my life, teenage angst if you will.  I'm just sick of so many people I talk to which blindly follow whatever the propaganda machine tells them.  After WWII the indoctrination efforts turned to marketing, beating into people to buy things and consume and support the economy.  

Think about how homogenizing television if the majority of 500 million people watch that box five hours a day, with a limited selection of channels.  It is my belief that the Internet is the radical new variable in this social equation.  Instead of being forced to click through channels the scope of opinions is much, much wider and public opinion is TOTALLY free.  

I am not looking forward to the prospect of becoming a nine to five middle class worker for the rest of my life with a happy family and 100,000 dollar house.

Adam, Still our choice as to what we will buy into and make into a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

Seems right now there is a lot of speculation that the next world war will have China invading the USA via Alaska, Canada and Mexico.  Basis for it is just about nothing.  In its 5000 year long continuous history, China has usually been invaded rather than invading other countries.  

Of course that can change, but historically, there is great resistance to that kind of thing amongst the Chinese people.  

This is the present and a new millenia - Anything is possible.  Even now, there are signs of Chinese dominance in the economic arena rapidly growing.  Chinese have ample resources, people, and motive.  They have to expand or they will deflate.  

I saw this on the Drudge Report today:

http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/11/30/cneu30.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2004/11/30/ixfrontcity.html

As they person above stated, I believe that revolution is preferable to the future of humankind.  Do you want more of the same materialism and blind nationalist ideology or do you want freedom and enlightenment?  Sadly, the only route is through pain because the ruling class will not give up it's power without a fight.  I don't speak of a revolution of Communist sorts, I'm speaking of turning the hierarchical order entirely upside down.  I believe the spikes in oil prices and being forcibly weaned off of oil will help humanity achieve a natural order that should have been present before the oil boom of the 1900s.

The military power of a country should be based on how many autonomous fighting people are in the army, not based on how many warheads one side or the other's packing.  Balance of power does well for awhile, but now it can mean utter destruction even if the balance tips just a little.  In the scale of human history, this is an extremely quick and volatile society!  In under 200 years, we went from riding horse drawn carts to driving high powered gas-guzzling hum-vees and having tanks and missiles and jets that can break the sound barrier, and at what cost?  Too much power in to few hands.  

I have the feeling that there is so much excess and meaninglessness in this Western society that it must be cast away if anything better can grow...  I think that's what the ruling party fears.  There are a growing number of young people that are losing any remnants of faith they had in the government simply as a sign of the times.  If the time comes where I must make that choice I know exactly which side I'll be on.

This is why there are 10000 lawyers on Kerry's behalf roaming the states.

America is now a single party system posing as a two party one.  The current politics now date all the way back to the civil war.  The Federalists were booted out and power was consolidated to one party, which also split.  Or supposedly did.  

We can see from history that both sides are equally willing to make bad decisions for their people.  Democrats support peace?  Bullshet, JFK gave us all a taste(Big Bite more like it) of Vietnam.  Nixon took advantage of the situation and did some Cambodian campaigns.  This era in politics is completely different than anything seen beforehand, it's amazing to me.  In the social scope of things, people are becoming much more critical, which is definitely not a bad thing.

Numerous atrocities have been committed by numerous political regimes in the USA, people just tend to be near-sighted in this country when it comes to politics.  The Middle East has been culminating violence and strife since the British Empire.

Think Kerry will be your personal savior?  I think not.  There's no way out now.  We've got a leg stuck in quicksand.  Kerry is perfectly willing to do war just as Bush is, and I wonder, once the public sees that Kerry is just as willing or moreso to commit Fascist acts, how will the people of America react when they lose faith in government?  This is a new era, Americans will not roll over, and I will not.

You know what I believe?  I believe that the American public realizes what you are saying and will vote for John Kerry tomorrow out of fear of said war.  But what they will get with their supposed savior is destruction.  Democrats have been well known for their Federalist-pseudo-socialist policies have they not?  Peak oil is happening RIGHT NOW, so I wouldn't be surprised if civil unrest sparked after the elections or during the inauguration of Kerry.  Kerry tries to subdue, it only gets worse over time.

Mind you, I am predicting, that John Kerry will win without a doubt, I have done so months earlier.  If John Kerry wins tomorrow I would be afraid.  As discussed in other topics, we know they are both candidates that belong to a specific organization, Skull and Bones.  And, at the very beginning of the two parties, they started out as one Republican party that burst into two.  One party control under a two-party disguise?  I fear as much.

My prophecy and divinations are based on existing trends.  I can just see it happening miles ahead, its all there.  By the way, Israel has said it will pull out.  If and when it does, it will be met by an angry attacking arab public and Israel will become defensive.  Arabs don't like Jews, the next ten years are not going to be pleasant for the human race.