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#1
Welcome to Metaphysics! / dissenting opinions
December 15, 2004, 11:53:28
AK666 raises a very legitimate point about the difficulty of "proving" the existence of spirit guides.  We all know it is legitimate, and that's why it makes us react so.  Because we are frustrated at the difficulty of translating our experience into the 3d logical linear time paradigm.

And this is a serious issue because the fact that the existence of guides is not easy to prove in the materialist, rational, logical, scientific realm makes them easy fodder for exploitation.

Witness John Edward.  Sure, maybe he has a level of psychic ability, but he is a con artist for real, yo.  And we should rally against people like him.

The problem in our world today is we get caught up in these polarized debates.  I don't see AK666 as wrong and myself as right.  We both have pieces of the puzzle, and the synthesis of our observations will lead us closer to truth.

What underlies debates like these is the difference of left-brained and right-brained, yang and yin approaches to knowing and experiencing.  Our modern world is very much a left-brained, masculine yang paradigm and disrespects other ways of knowing.

Yes, this logical rational approach is excellent within its narrow range of experience....within the 3d material world of technology and linear time.
It has brought about a great deal of technological advancement (which is a mixed bag, but we are ALL benefiting from the Internet, for example...even though it might be mere training wheels until we become telepathic, but that's another story).

But there is no need to censor someone who is attached to that paradigm!  Are we that weak that we cannot stand some debate?  Hell no.  The truth of what we are observing and experiencing with our spirit guides is available for those who are willing to open to it.  

Let's remember, awakening is a scary thing, it breaks your brains, it destroys all kinds of attachments to a certain paradigm within which you were raised and within which your network of human contacts exist.  It's not something that can be forced onto someone.  As much as it is a blessing it can be a curse, so let's not force it on anyone.  We should know better y'all.

15 years ago I would argue my butt off with people who believed in this "stuff".  I had been really well trained in the modern world, secular, linear time, "Authority's-word-is-more-valid-than-your-own-direct-experience" paradigm.  Trained to believe what I had heard rather than believing what I see.

And yet lo and behold, I ended up being a shamanic initiate and channel for spirit world.

Plant a seed, and then remain unattached to when and if it grows.....
and then at a certain point recognize that some areas are just rocky ground which will never become fertile.

But there's no need to get upset.....if you know your truth, then be patient and it will be revealed to anyone who is ready.

P.S. This is making me think of a beautiful work by Wilhelm Reich, a book called Listen, Little Man.  It's wonderful reading about the ways in which humans pathologically bow to outside authority.
#2
Welcome to Metaphysics! / spirit guides=useless
December 15, 2004, 01:46:13
As St Augustine said,

"Miracles happen, not in opposition to nature, but in opposition to what we know of nature."
#3
Welcome to Metaphysics! / SHINOBI's post
December 14, 2004, 17:20:31
Shinobi,

Well written.  You make a good point.

The balance is in experiencing both inner knowing and outer proofs.

No matter how great the guru, you still must take responsibility for your own free will choices and remain awake.  Too many want to just fall in line like sheep, because most people do not want to be responsible.

Usually the best state of mind is the one that says, "I know that I do not know".  That beginner's mind....staying fresh and open.

Neither blindly believing nor skeptically disbelieving.

But I have to stress that some kinds of knowing are subjective and cannot be proven in 3d material scientific forums....but they are still legitimate forms of knowing.  They are experiential.
#4
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Children Prophecy
December 14, 2004, 16:29:24
http://skepdic.com/indigo.html

The concept of Indigo children you might find interesting.

I had a "vision" a few years ago about a new wave of humanity; this idea came to me that we humans were going to jump up to another level.

Then someone sent me an email about these Indigo kids a year later.

Like anything, I hold it as a theory until I have proof through my own experience.  Nevertheless, it is an interesting concept.
#5
For me many of my experiences began during periods of emotional upheaval.  Strong emotions unlock different states of consciousness and also bring energy.

Remember to keep them balanced, however, don't let them control you.

Also, my OBEs etc came on strong when I was far away and isolated from friends and family.  This can provide a real motiviation to go and "visit" them when you cannot physically be around them.

If you have the good fortune to be able to go far away from home and isolate yourself maybe it could work for you.....

Attachments and expectations tend to work against these phenomena, however. Your writing "What is the FASTEST way" sends up warning signals!  
If greedy ego self is operating it will shut things down.  

Why are you in such a hurry?  You have ETERNITY!  

Send up a request/prayer/meditation and then let go.

Also, yoga, meditation, reiki. time alone, doing art, being creative....these can all shift your energy around and make way for new experiences and understandings.
#6
Welcome to Metaphysics! / spirit guides=useless
December 14, 2004, 12:32:06
QuoteAll things can be proved, and they can be proved to everyone, unless of course they do not exist.

Is that true?  

Do you love your mother?  

Prove it.

QuoteHas your 'spirit guide' ever done anything that has really benefited you?

Actually, yes.

Once I was locked out of my house.  I circled three times checking and rechecking windows and doors.  All locked.  I sat down in frustration.  Then the voice of my spirit guide came and said "Check the window behind your bed."  I had already checked it, so I felt silly, but I walked over to that side of the house.

It was OPEN.


Also, last weekend my Spirit Guides were strongly urging me to turn back on a drive I was taking into the city.  I've been on retreat up in the mountains for weeks.  They were really telling me to turn around.  But I was determined to go and visit my friend.  

The first part of the trip was fine.  Roads were clear.  Then I came upon a long stretch of road in horrible condition.  Snow, sleet, ice.  It was the most frightening drive I have ever taken.  I found out later that the road I'd been driving on was officially closed.

Then I got into town and the friend I was visiting was sick the whole time.

If only I had listened.....

QuoteHas it ever done anything other then acting like an LSD guru, like say, telling you the winning lottery numbers?

But that is such a 3-d materialist standard of whether or not the spirit guide is useful.  If winning the lottery is not part of your soul purpose, why would the guide bother?  It's not easy communicating between dimensions, there must be a good reason to do so.

Also, lottery numbers are generated by machines.  There is no human consciousness behind them.  This makes them difficult to predict.


aryanknight666, I respect your left-brain sobriety about not just blindly believing.

No point in being believers attached to the love and light paradigm.  Darkness exists.

However, just as there is ignorance in blindly believing, there is ignorance in being too skeptical.  Doubt can be something we hide behind out of fear.