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No, really.

I think maybe clothes came from two things:

First, decorations.  Tribes took mud and made decorations, pierced, tattooed, all to make ourselves more decorative to others, then as a sign of status.

Second, I think after sitting in the mud a couple of times and standing up thinking "I have mud in uncomfortable spots..." someone put something down to sit on.  Then that evolved to the idea that if you have something around your waist, then you could sit anywhere then you could stand up and not have to do something visually peculiar before wandering away.

Then, since we seem to like to decorate things, we began decorating the clothes, then that evolved to status.

Next thing you know, belly rings and hip huggers, ties that choke you at work when you really need that blood in your brain, and lest I forget, Renaissance clothes that make you look really smashing and decorative at your local renaissance faire  

In my very expert know it all opinion, I think we don't have clothes on and we are naked.

After all, how many times has someone opened there moth to say something and you thought "That's not what they mean. Why don't they say what they mean and we can get to the heart of the matter? What are they hiding? But wait... look at that great scarf!"



(For those of you that can't see my face, i'm having fun, and i'm grinning)

Thank you for hashing it back and forth with me.

I've been trying to assign some sort of Universal lesson to all of this.

It's an opportunity for growth.. yadda. (of course it is, all of life is an oportunity for growth)

Maybe somtimes it's just something reeaallllllyy annoying that happens.

After this little helpful reality check. (And being able to see what my experience from my point of view has been from my writng of it..)

I think i'm going to mix. Even though it's not encouraged, I'm going to my manager, and let her know my perspective and ask her what she thinks. Then, if that is the blocking move that I hope it will be, just forge on, being a little more friendly, a little less defensive, but let her know that I'm not particularly comfortable talking to her about anything that doesn't apply to work.

If she pushes why, straight up. I don't understand what she was hoping to accomplish with the race thing, but all that really happened was it made me distrust her personally. Although I don't harbor very hard feelings because everyone does incredibly dumb things at one time or another.

A special nod to Frank who reminded me that even though I try to think from a higher ideal, that I still have my ego to deal with and that little devil is slippery. .   It's up to me to keep me in line.

I was just reading the HATRED thread.  Near the end, someone said that they thought the purpose of this thread was that it would be better if negativity didn't exist. Not what to do about it when it happened.

Now that's beautiful.

So...  Negativity happens.  You spend your time in contemplation of 'higher ideals', you try and see people as sparks of divineness, the negativity makes you shake your head.  But your not locked in a bubble, your not a hermit, you interact with other people.  What do you do when it happens to you? What do you do when it affects you in a way you MUST notice and take some sort of measure?

That's nice and abstract.  Lets have a fleshed out example to kick around, with an added twist geared to this type of forum, shall we?

You get a job. It pays on the upper end of what your skill and range is.  It has it's annoyances, but nothing to harsh. Your manager isn't around to constantly micomanage over your shoulder, and your team has a pretty free reign.
You have one real problem.  Your supervisor. S/he is a negative individual. Constantly gossiping, occasionally sabotaging the efforts of those around her.
You understand that she is insecure, has her issues (don't we all).

But her constant negative comments are bummin you out.
Finally, you say, "Can't we all stop sabotaging each other and cut down on all this malicious gossip?  It's creating a negative atmosphere, and is bummin me out."

To your face, she says "Yes".  Behind your back, she has you written up for racism.

There is the scenario.  If this is too easy for you, you can add that it isn't possible to talk with her, and you haven't the slightest idea if behind your back she's setting you up to get fired.

What do you do?

Yeah, I read it not to long ago. It got me thinking about a myraid of sticky information that makes alot of people uncomfortable, so I began to keep my thoughts to myself.

But since you came out and asked:

I think it would make sense that we would have a group of people that know us and we know them, and we help each other.  Even if we didn't have 'communities' and the spirit world was just a big field where everyone hung around and played the harp, or studied, or praised god (Whatever you think heaven is...) I still think that there are individuals that we would have a natural tendency to hang out with.

I think that it has alot of reasonable and sensible points and you can take it as a loose map of what goes on.

HOWEVER, do notice the misunderstandings he was having, even with the subject right there to ask for clarification.  I think that he asked some very leading questions biased on his own dogma perspective.  He even admitted that guides would tell him that he wasn't to worry about this  or that. Even occasionally to block or not answer him at all.

My own little qwirk that helped me keep it in its perspective is the misunderstanding that we are, even in death, seperated from the source.  I quite definately do not believe that. If we are extentions, it is only our perceptions that seperate us.
I can however, agree that we are constantly growing, learning, and teaching/guiding our less developed brothers and sisters.

My end analysis after?  Interesting. Probably a decent loose overview on how a portion of it works.  But still colored with, and expressed though human perceptions.

I liked that it gave me an additional area to munch on

In a beautiful example of "ask, and you receive an answer", I was reading "The power of Compassion" by the Dalai Lama.

In it, he touches upon tantric buddisim (I didn't know those to went together. I'm never as smart as I think I am. )

Anyway, he speaks of a most subtle level of consciousness known as a 'Clear light state'.  I can read more about this in the 'Guhyasamaja Tantra'.

I won't presume to say what I've gleened as I did a spot peruse, but it seems it will at least give me a bit of terminology to, at least, articulate myself when asking for answers.

Thank you so much for giving me input.  Good questions, good advice.

Bliss.

I most definately agree.  There is not the slightest reason to treat it badly.

I think what i'm looking for is... um...  would/does the body have a rudimentry consciousness all it's own?

For example, one belief system indicates that the body is coarse matter and is at this level of vibration; So, we as a higher vibration need to 'purify'/'refine' it by bringing its vibration up.

If these intellegences only vibrate at a lower frequency, would it not make it a number of entities with a 'group soul' awareness with a unified purpose?

"rights" might have been hastily or ill spoken. Altho' if it has a consciousness of its own have we not just jumped in and subverted its own 'freewill'? (as such)  

Even the terminology that I just applied.  "Its"  althogh I know perfectly well that over all, "it" is a "she".  But then again, if it's a bunch of various entities applying themselves as a group, who knows if 'she's' sexless.

If this looks like it's going around and around, now you know what's whirling in my head. That's why I brought it here.  Obviously, either i'm missing something, or haven't thought of it from a peculiar angle.

Thank you scarecrow for your reply.  I look forward to an expansion (if you so desire to give it) and I hope this clarifies more of what i'm thinking about.

Happiness and peace to you  

In many different ways, I hear "The body is nothing. It is just a vessel. Take no thought to your body.  It's only dust/clay anyway. You don't die, don't even think about the body. etc."

Which is all fine and good when one considers that we are eternal.

HOWEVER,

I read "journey of souls" recently and one of the things is that when the spiritual essence combines with the body, it:
1] Combines with the body. Hence, there must be something to combine it to.
2] At the core, the brainstem wants to survive. That is it's function. Even in a coma, when there's "noone home" the body will breath, heartbeat, all those little things to exist.

So in part, from the bodies point of view, "Someday, I will die and cease to exist" is an accurate statement.
Hence the 'religion of fear' fear of loss.

What can we as eternal beings do to make it easier on our poor vessels?

Sometimes, I don't express myself as I would like to be able to. Does this make sense?

I welcome ALL philosophies and opinions. Perhaps we can come up with a common thread.

Only takes a second.

It might be along the lines of a report of awareness and care, that can be shown.  After all, if noone shows an intrest, buisness might think noone cares. This might slow them down at the very least.

Yeah, i'll click it.

Hmmm. Very thought provoking.

Some of it makes sense Hermetically.
Some answers a missing bit Gnosticlly.
and, for some reason when I try to muddle though that Esotericly, I half-smile and half-smirk.

In the realm of all things are possible, and my own personal hope for the future, I like it.
It would be nice to think, "Far-out, it worked!", rather than "Well, that was a pretty impressive mass evolutionary experience.  I hope it worked."

I'm not trying to be snarky, but I'm wondering,  when the US has needed help, who has helped America out?  (I'm not talking about a war)

I think we don't hear about many of these things ahead of time because most people practicing choose to follow the path of silence.

Why put all that hard work and discipline out there when as a rule your blasted and ridiculed for it.

For alot, prophecy/divination isn't really the end, it's the by product of the other exercises that your doing, and your writing in your journal to keep track of your own progress and to help on one own personal path.

Since no two people follow the same path to their own personal development, what would be the point in saying anything?  Recognition? The acclaims of man are rather useless.  That's just the ego's need to be fed.

If by making the tsunami known what would it have helped? How? Who would have believed?  Who is to say that  this isn't very important for the development of both man and the collective consciousness?  

What arrogance would I have to have to attempt to thwart 'Gods' way of helping us?  Don't forget that 'He' doesn't see death and suffering like we do. People keep asking why this punishment? But that is mans' ego talking. Who is to say that this isn't really a blessing?

But who am I to present such a viewpoint? I certainly don't claim to either know or be enlightened. Such is my folly.

How fun.

Let's see,

I feel a relatively quiet year ahead of us.

Yes, the middle east will get more tense
A couple series of nasty weather is on the way
The Scandinavian countries will quietly get economically stronger
US will continue in it's roman empire like decline until the people stand up for themselves and stop hoping for someone else to save them (But not this year)
Some pretty good alternative medicine ideas will slip out of Australia
China will continue in it's odd, quiet, spiritual climb
More riots in Africa as they all still feel unheard and misunderstood
Costa Rica gets a little more scrutiny because there system of no army, better health care and education seems to be working
A couple shakes in Argentina
Gas prices will go down for awhile but people no longer are buying into the false sense of security.
Rolling electrical blackouts across the cities in the world gets more people thinking about alternative energy sources

The major story I believe is that eyes will continue to watch the tsunami disaster. restorative costs will go up, disease will go up, food will get scarcer, water is more precious then gold.
People will continue to put themselves in the "it could have been me" mindset and begin to at least mentally prepare.  
Begin appreciating their family just a smidgen more.
Think about their health and begin to not take their healthy body quite so much for granted.
Appreciate that bite of food, think about maybe a garden wouldn't be such a bad idea
Appreciate that drink of water
Appreciate plumbing
Think just a little less about terrorism, and think just a little bit more of humanity unity. And the difference we make/made when we pulled together for this global action
I predict this is going to set a firm grip in our collective consciousness with the fruits to come later.


For what it's worth

Then I acknowledge the error of my pop psychology and commend you to listening and trying to help

Larvae-
Everything (matter/energy/everything under creation) is made up of song/vibration/thought web (who you talk to calls it different things. For the sake of description I'm going to use the web analogy here).
Since everything, including yourself, is composed of individual strands of this web, everything is encompassed  in it. We are all the same web, just different aspects of it.
The ether is like the spirit realm, and the web composition is just a little variant in chemistry. Like in a real spider web, some strands are tougher, some are sticky, some more elastic, and so forth.

You, having consciousness, direction, and having multi layers of web in you (Body, Soul, Spirit) are capable of affecting the web around you.  If you think on a thing long enough and give it your energy (more web) in the etheric / astral realm it begins to form. For example, you ever seem to notice that life seems to kick you when your down? That's because you draw like energy to you.  Positive breeds positive, negative breeds negative.
You make up this girl (Yes, I know she really exists, stay with me here), you 'breath life into her', you give this entity powers and sinister attributes, and that's what you make in the ether.  Given enough energy, the "larvae" will begin to "function" on it's own.
If you think about this image you have of this girl (You don't really personally know her or her motivations do you?  It's things you've surmised??) think she's powerful and attacking you. The lavaes feeds from that energy and gathers more web for it's incorporeal form.

I doubt very highly that the girl could attack you.  To affect the web to that degree takes a tremendous amount of energy, and much discipline.  Most, and I mean most people don't have the kind of focus and understanding to break out of their own web section and affect another to that degree.  That's one of the restrictions of this plane; It has to be because we all have wildly swinging emotions (Oh, drop dead) and while we're learning to control/discipline our thoughts and ourselves these safeguards are crucial.

Not that you can't affect things, we are all made up of the same web after all and you tug on one section, it's felt all over (why it's so important to give out love and positiveness).

But you definitely can affect yourself and your immediate web area.  
Larvae aren't only negative little bloodsuckers, by the way. Take for example...oh.. childrens imaginary friends. They make up a friend specific, that larvae fills the need.  Or, along the same lines, people who want to connect to higher realms. They gather positive energy, imbue it with a "transmitter frequency", the 'higher friend' reads the akashic records (book of life as it were) and since this particular larvae is part here and part there, it is easier to access.

If you do this consciously, make sure your very deliberate about it tho.   The akashic isn't really something to fool around with, even though we alter it a little every day.  That is why mindful living is so important.

Well, this was a couple years worth of study compressed into a sloppy readers digest version.  Look around the other sites here for perhaps a clearer version of what I'm trying to say.
But I hope this helped a little bit.

Namaste

Looks like normal nowadays teenage angst to me. I remember writing poetry and being ticked off, and feeling lonely too. Nothing new in the universe.

Not enough mental disipline to be any threat, unless of she does something stupid for attention and burns down someones house, then she's not powerful, just needs mental health services.

If you felt attacked and felt it was her, it's possible it's from the etheric larvae you've made of her and your own obviously growing obsession. You might want to go read about psychic defense if your that concerned.

Sorry this sounds so harsh, dude.  But from my 40 year old, female, been there there, done that; My intution just sees a scared kid growing up in a hard world. Someone reaching out for help, for someone to be saved by, without relising that noone saves you, you save yourself.  One needs to take responsibility for there own energy. (That includes you dear. You are responsible for your own energy. Your the one choosing to share it back and forth with this girl.)

Try listening to happy music awhile??
Something less intense??  
don't know what else to suggest.  Looks like you are your own biggest threat.  Just like she's hers.

Good luck.

(Addendum thought:  The kids nowadays are some of the strongest, brightest, and best the world has ever produced.  They are learning faster, have more information then ever.  They are dealing with more garbage and other peoples head-trips like never before.
I know that getting to know yourself, and feeling like you can take care of yourself, while still having to be dependent on the local bill payer is tough. It always causes alot of angst.
I just wish.... I dunno, I wish the youth today just knew how bright and beautiful they really are.  I wish I could get through to them that it's all okay.  It may look bad politically, socially, enviornmentally, economically, and that IS alot to worry about....  
I'm sorry. I'm sorry for this screwed up world that they've been handed, but the ironic thing is that if one looks at it from a broader perspective, it's a change time.  It's not screwed up, it's changing, and change is always a bit chaotic.
I know it's hard to believe, but it's really fine. Everything is going to turn out okay.  Especially if all that 'angst' energy is taken and focused into action. Get involved. Find something that bugs you, find a local volunteer thing for it and DO something. (I help in homeless shelters and abused pets) Sitting in front of your computer for hours on end complaining isn't going to speed up the process.  
And will you or nil you, the world must change because it cannot sustain what is happening.
Heaven help these wonderful, kids.  If they were to unite and get involved....  ahhh, ticked off kids, getting a grip and changing the world for the better.  
Makes me smile.
*end of addendum rant*)

Alrighty then, for better or worse, this is what impression I'm developing.

*Ah-hem, cough, clear throat*

Every single spot of space (even that empty space where the neutrons whiz around is/are) is song/vibration/energy web.

The less refined, the lower/harder it is. The more refined, the higher/more flexible.

Humans, have a funky kind of juxtaposition in that we have a multi-layered song.  As in, we are already made up of different notes, we can learn to hear the individual notes.

Since we have access, by nature to different tones, we have the ability to eventually control our voice, thereby creating new songs with resonating harmonies.  Therefore, we have the ability to change ourselves, and eventually the tones in our surrounding environment.

Which will be really important when we are no longer 'bound' to matter (we're dead or OBEing) because we will be/already are to a degree responsible for the reality in our immediate vicinity.  

Hey, wouldn't that make us self playing synthesizers?

As a metaphysical child, I'm not even going to pretend to understand alot of this.  However, I would like to say Thank You to everyone for having a lively debate and being polite and not getting too snarky on each other.

For someone like myself, who is trying to learn, I often find the hardest part is trying to read past all the flames that people toss when trying to get their own point across and they are being either misunderstood or attacked for their viewpoint and i've witnessed some very deft deflections here.

Not only am I learning a smidgen of Quantum, I'm also learning how to present, and accept opinions.

Namaste teachers, one and all.

just a thought-
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Your very brave.  Good luck!

ooo looks like it's my turn to share my thoughts  Yay!

When I was younger, I remember having the "well, how do you know it's the right one" and "I like them; How come I can't seem to connect on the level I want, or how come it fades"?

Dunno.

From the first get together with my husband I remember feeling content. So I suppose my answer to the first question is that all unhelpful "Well now, you just know."

I've been waiting for that intense infatuation, that flutter, that he's my all, feeling that I had with boyfriends. The only time it seems to show is when he's doing something that could end his time here in this incarnation. Or when I feel so overwhelmed with love and gratitude that it leaks out of my eyes.
Other then that, it's always been a friendship that makes me look forward to getting old.  Sometimes one of us has a really bad idea.  Another perspective is nice. Every blue moon we really irritate the snot outta each other.  That's good though, without a little conflict, it's not so easy to grow.

As a general rule we use each other to practice kindness, tolerance, respect, acts of understanding and kindness, and listening/communication skills. (As well as using the other person pick on, rhyme or sing at when we're bored. Yes, we are both geeks, so what?)
After all once that initial rush is gone, what is left except another human, just like you are?
After the dating stage when you've put your best foot forward, all that is left is who you are. The real 'them'.  "They" aren't too bad. I think I can live with 'them'.

Don't worry about it. As Nostic says, it's all an illusion anyway.

Personally, i'm happy with my illusionary playmate .

Happiness and peace

Cristaphin

It's beautiful, baby :mrgreen:

Keep that in your soul.

I feel sorrow that your feeling a little fustrated with your fellow beings.  If allowed, one can certainly get swept away by the perceived negativity.

May I suggest that you take a moment to search Indigo/crystal children?

Perhaps another perspective on the current energy pattern might be helpful to you.

Peace