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Hey,

I saw this site, www.lucid-dragon.com , and was wondering what you guys think of it. Is it really "100% safe"?

Ahoy,

I'm currently practising techniques to consciously lower my brain waves so that I can enter the hypnogogic state... from which it is fairly easy to enter a LD, which in turn is pretty easy to convert into an OBE.

I find it MUCH easier to sleep on my side, but it is also VERY easy for me to lose focus and slip into the dream land, so I try to sleep on my back. What I do is...  I first relax my body - tense the muscles and then relax. I do this over the body from calves, thighs, abs, chest etc. Now, what I do know is that this helps reduce the brain waves to a certain extent because it mimicks the sleep state... What I need to know is... How many times should I go over the body doing this? The fact is, I feel relaxed when I lie down with or without the exercise.. so I'm not really sure if it's necessary.

Next, to lower the brain waves further... I do a breathing exs. Basically, I know that slower breathing reduces brain waves so I made my own breathing pattern of inhaling for 4 secs, holding for 8 secs, exhaling for 4 secs and holding for 8 secs (breathing via the mouth). I don't know if this really works because I haven't seen this breathing pattern anywhere else. Instead of using a trance exs. (as mentioned in Astral Dynamics) I prefer to keep my mind clear of thoughts, which (obviously) prevents losing focus. The thing is, I don't really feel tired - If I lie down on my side and breathe normally, I FEEL sleepy/tired... bit hard to explain. Is it possible that my brain waves are being lowered but I'm not necessarily feeling sleepy?

Basically, I'm aiming for the hypnogogic imagery. Any ideas?

Mucho thanx

I've noticed that the Full Body Circuit involves taking energy to the sub-Navel storage centre. What would happen if you take the energy to the sub-Brow centre instead. Currently I am trying to improve my lucid dreaming (not interested in OBEs at the moment), and the function of the sub-Navel is to store "Raw physical vitality". This isn't what I want, is it?? Should I start storing the energy in the sub-Brow storage centre, as it's function is to store "Raw mental and psychic energy"? This seems more useful for lucid dreaming.

Hey,

I recently bought 'Astral Dynamics' and I need some advice

Every day, I go through the energy work [toe work, sole work, leg work, finger work, palm work, arm work and for about 15 mins I do the full body storage circuit]. I also do the spot focus exs. (page 213), mind taming/breath awareness (page 210/214) and physical relaxation (page 204). If I have the time, I try out the elevator trance exs. (as it seems to work better than the others).

Do you think I should even be trying full OBE attempts yet, or should I wait until I have mastered the mentioned exercises? Currently, my mind taming ability sux... but it's slowly getting better. Are there any other exercises that I should be practicing? There are loads in the book... So I've selected the ones which I think will help me the most.

Thanks for your help.
no_skillzz

"For the first time a week or two ago, I just focused on the vibrations and tried to magnify them... and I had the most conscious exit/obe to date."

This sounds like a good idea.. Might try it out. So, how exactly did you manage do get out? Did you just naturally buzz free after the vibrations hit a certain point of intensity?

Hmmmm, I mentioned the same thing a few weeks back.. It was in one of your threads as well!

Find my post (in your thread) at http://www.astraldynamics.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=315

Uhhh, for any1 who cares

I've decided to scrap the breathing exercise as it seems to be the main reason that I can't get to sleep, and I really don't think it works!

I'm gonna go back to the trance exs. to lower my brain waves... Hopefully concentration on the falling sensation will prevent me from losing focus.

Looks positively skewed to me. Heh heh.

The Watcher was that dude in those Marvel "What If..." comics!! He used to explain what would have happened in the future if the past had been different to what it originally was... Don't laugh I think those comic book writers knew what they were talking about eg. I never used to know a thing about APs back when I used to read them, but recently I re-read some of them and I see Magneto explaining to someone that he is having a real time Astral Projection!!

Does anyone remember the Suneye techniques which were sold on Joe Russa's site a few years ago? Those techniques also had a strong emphasis on the Third Eye and also had a high success rate. Who knows... maybe if this technique works well, we'll be seeing it in future OBE books

A bit of a late reply

No, I haven't tried spinning in a LD yet. Unfortunately, I'm in a LD rut at the moment. I can't seem to get conscious. However i'm recalling a lot of dreams per night and they seem to be vivid. What I have noticed is that energy work does help (even though I might have deemed it unnecessary before) - even more than primary chakra work before going to sleep. I've tried the Wake-Back to Bed Method along with the full body circuit - The result being very vivid and memorable dreams. Also I seems to have had more success (eg. vibrations, paralysis) with going to sleep for 5 1/2 hours and staying up for 1 1/2 hours, as opposed to sleeping for 6 hours and staying up for 1 hour.  

Also (for anyone who might know)... What would be the benefits of doing a Full Body Circuit instead of simply raising energy through legs and straight in the sub-Navel? - With respect to Lucid Dreaming only. I find doing simple energy raising through the legs much easier than the full body circuit.

Hmmm, just read over my post and I think I should clarify... What I meant was I think when we reach the 7th Heaven/Plane, we shall finally be "at one" with the God-presence.

Hey DJMidgetMan, you and your Dad needn't worry about OBEs/Projection going against religion. Infact I believe there is a direct reference to Astral Projection in the Qur'an (is that spelt right?), when it is mentioned that Mohammed was taken through the 7 heavens.

7 heavens = 7 planes

1) Physical Plane (but was most proabably referring to Real-Time Zone as the first "heaven")
2) Astral/Emotional Plane
3) Mental Plane
4) Buddhic/Intuitional Plane
5) Spiritual/Atmic Plane
6) Monadic Plane

Before I mention the 7th plane. The Qur'an says that the last heaven (7th heaven) is where God himself resides. Not a surprise really since the 7th plane is called...

7) Divine Plane (also known as Adi or Logoic)


See how religions are related? Hinduism and Bhuddism believes in this. There are references to these topics in Islam and Christianity.

Well, I tried the energy circuit exercises before going to sleep a couple of times. Sometimes I got vivid dreams out of it and sometimes I didn't. I think energy work can be good, but I don't think it's necessary at all for lucidity... maybe for OBEs/Projections but I find it incredibly easy to project from a LD, so I guess I'm lucky in that aspect.

So, over the weekend I didn't achieve lucidity. I tried the morning nap method yesterday and last night/this morning I had a dream where the text "Reality Check" flew past me... Unfortunately nothing happened; the dream just continued. Also twice this morning, I experienced electric sensations all over my body and it felt as if my body was getting squeezed which was then followed by a wave of paralysis. Plus, I also had 2 false awakenings, so I guess I was pretty close.

On the subject of Reality Testing... I don't do it at all. In EVERY lucid dreaming book and every LD site, R-Testing is mentioned... But it has never helped me (and MANY others) achieve lucidity. Whenever I have got lucid... I have just known it: Or I just become conscious in a dream even though nothing has sparked it off. I think R-Testing sounds good in theory but does it REALLY work? not for me.

Sounds good to me.

Pres Nevins - "If you're in training for some track & field sport and you eat your Wheaties you don't have to inject them directly into your feet." Haha, good point. I guess my main concern about the sub-Navel storage centre was that Robert Bruce says that it is used to store "Raw physical vitality" which I thought wasn't necessary for Dreaming/Lucid Dreaming. Oh and Frosties are so much better coz it has that cool tiger!

Ghost - Hmmm, never thought of incorporating a full body circuit with Bird's wake/back-to-bed method. Good idea! "I have no idea why it works so well, but it does." Ahhh, now this is where I can help you By getting up early and staying up, a REM deficit occurs and when the brain is deprived of this 'essential period of dreaming', the mind will compensate at the earliest opportunity, therefore automatically making dreams vivid/intense within the first 5 mins of falling asleep. So, this method in itself will cause vivid dreams... but adding the full body circuit will make it kick butt!!!!!

Oops, just turned the page and saw "Deliberately filling the two higher storage centers first is a very unwise practice".
Silly me

Well, looks like I'll be storing energy into the sub-Navel. How will this aid/improve my lucid dreaming? What would be the significant development gains?

some1 replied!! must be my lucky day....

Seriously though, yeah Conn, I've been thinking about WILDs recently. I ordered a book in december, which apparantely places a lot of emphasis on WILDs, but it still hasn't come!

no_skillzz