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Just a quick question on how to phase, I've heard a lot of it but i don't know how to do it.

Could somebody please tell me how to phase?

Targett

Lately ive often wondered if having no desire to live and completely giving up in life so you starve on the street is classified as suicide? And is it wrong?

Suicide is defined as killing yourself, But is refusing to keep going classified as committing suicide? Technically your not killing yourself, but you will surely die of thirst or hunger withing a few days of giving up.

Its wrong to kill yourself, but is it wrong to not go on? Is there like some kind of cosmic law that says you have to keep this body alive for as long as you can while your here?

what books have you read CDBS?

wow, thats some amazing art

congratulations majour ka

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OK guys I just want to create this topic to get an idea of what you all define as suffering.

Can you all write in this post exactly what your idea of suffering is.

Ta

The world is the world! Its how you relate to the world which counts. One person can be walking down the street feeling very happy while another person can be walking down the street feeling suicidal.

The goal of all religions that believe in reincarnation is to free yourself from the cycle of birth and death.

Gradually losing the fear of death.

When you know that life goes past the grave, the most important thing becomes HOW you are living instead of living for material things.

OBE's have made me become a very spiritual person, and i try to cultivate as much spiritual qualities/virtues as i can. So thats completely changed my life

Hey guys I'm starting to develop a real problem with my obe practice. Id greatly appreciate any advice anyone has.

Everytime I practice the rope exit technique it does something to me which stops me from sleeping well for days after wards. Every time I'm on the verge of sleep, i get this jolt through my body which makes me jump and completely wakes me up. This happens many times throughout the night and is starting to become a real problem.

last weekend I was practicing the technique for about 20 mins and that night it happened about 15 times and I couldn't get to sleep until 3.30 in the morning (i went to bed at 9pm). It happened again every night of the week gradually getting weaker towards the end of the week.

Then yesterday I decided to practice it again and last night, again, it was very strong and i didn't get to sleep until 3am again.

The best way i can describe it is when i practice the technique i can feel it exerting some kind pressure onto my body, and after doing it for a while it feels like it charges me up like some kind of electric device, and when i get the jolting, its slowly releasing all this energy.

Its really bad for me to be tired when i work because I'm driving all day long and if i fall asleep i could get killed or seriously injured.

Ive tryd lying in every position i can think of but that doesn't help.

Can anyone plz give me some advice on whats going on?

hehehe I know 100% what your talking about.

I started getting them about 3 years ago about 2 times a month. It took me 2 years of getting these paralysis episodes before i got enough courage to let it go and enjoy the ride.

When i finally learned to let go i projected out of my body for the first time.

The symptoms you are experiencing are the symptoms of your projectable double being generated.

I know me telling you to relax in that state wont do much. I remember i always used to say myself "alright thats it! next time i get one again im not going to be scared", and when i eventually got it i shat myself again

I think experience is the best way to go. Now i can get them about 3 times a week and project from them everytime

good luck

The symptoms you are experiencing are the sign that your consciousness has reflected into your expanding etheric body.

You are one step away from generating and projecting the real time double.

All you need to do from that point is a projection technique that externalises your sense of body awareness, until you trigger what Robert Bruce calls the projection reflex.

I recommend practicing your trance meditation until you can hold that level of trance for long periods without it breaking. The more stable your trance the better.

stookie

Yeah, Robert Bruce says the real time body is the vehicle used to interact with the real time environment. It is generated and powered by the etheric body during an obe.

From my experience the etheric body definitely exists, you can feel the sensations when you stimulate certain areas of it during energy raising exercises.

I don't want to talk much about the etheric body and its functions yet because I'm still learning and not fully clued up about the subject yet.

I think AP'ers cant affect physical objects because (as robert bruce said) they dont project exactly into the physical dimention. Apparently the RTZ is an energetic reflection of the physical dimention existing at a slightly less dense vibrational rate. This explains the reality fluctuations commonly experienced in the rtz, because its not as solid.
I would certainly agree with this theory from my experiences so far.

At the first stage of death (cessation of physical body), the etheric body and all its energeic substance converges with the subtle real time body.

Naturally this makes the new real time body more powerful and closer to the physical dimention than it could ever be during a self induced OBE, and in turn makes the experience very strong.

I think if the person had a well developed etheric body in theyre life they could do things which the average ghost couldnt do, eg manifest itself, move physical objects, make noises etc.

I would thank god if i believed in him/it.

Yeah that sounds like a typical sleeping paralysis episode to me. Very close to having an OBE. All you have to do is relax and surrender to these feelings and you will find yourself out of your body shortly after.

All the sounds you hear and pressures you feel are symptoms of energetic activity caused by projectable double being generated. They can very terrifying but are completely harmless.

Hey again silence,

How do i know that I'm able to project and its not just an hallucinations?
Well at the moment i wouldn't consider myself experienced enough to come to any conclusions. Something very interesting definitely happens that is definitely not a dream, sometimes they re so real its mind blowing and sometimes they re so weak that i think it could just be an hallucination

At the moment from my experience (Ive only had about 20 OBE's so far), I'm leaning towards the hallucinations side of things because off all the reality fluctuations i experience. I find the first 30 seconds are the strongest and after that it just dullens out.

I use the booth once or twice a day and my dad built it because hes really into obe's and spirituality and just wanted a place where he can do all hes meditation and energy work without being disturbed.

Like i said i think its one of the best things hes ever made and recommend other people try it out.

Howdy voice of silence,

I was in the booth for exactly 1 hour and 3 mins before i had the obe.

What i do is listen to the holosync brainwave generator soundtrack for 1 hour first thing in the morning while my body is still relaxed. When the track finishes it leaves me in the perfect level of trance for an obe.

My dad made our sensory deprivation booth. Its about 1/4 of a bedroom in size, covered with thick carpet inside and out, it has 2 fans that ventilate the air through, a light inside, some headphones and speakers which are hooked up to a sterio outside.

To my experience, sensory deprivation has helped me heaps when it comes to meditation and energy work. When all sight and sounds are cut off, my sensitivity to bodily feelings increases and makes it alot easier for me to do all kinds of energy body stimulating exercises.

I highly recommend it.

Take Care

Hey guys

Just sharing an interesting RTZ experience i had this morning.

While i was out of my body i went into the hallway closest to the main air conditioning, its a noisy unit and i could hear the humming clearly. My physical body was in a sensory deprivation booth so there was no way i was hearing it with my physical ears.

I decided to jump up and got into the Attic where all the air conditioning pipes are and i could hear all the noises as theyd sound from up in the Attic.

Then after that i went up again and i was on top of the house and i could hear the aircond humming sounds as theyd sound from outside (the actual unit is outside so thats where its the most noisy).

Thats gotta be one of the few interesting experiences Ive had so far while in RTZ

Take care

Hey guys

Is it possible to leave your body when you know you are seconds away from a very horrible death?

I had an interesting experience last night.

I was having a very vivid nightmare that i was in a plane that was crashing. I could see the ground getting closer very fast and because i was in a dream and my mind was dull, i really believed that i was about to die for real.
Then just before the plane hit the ground i got a strong sucking pressure over my whole body then about a second later i awoke completely paralysed like i get just before a projection.

I know it was during a dream and my physical body was relaxed enough for a projection, but i wonder if its possible to be scared out of your body in real life?

Well when it comes to OBE's energy is everything.

I think eating before a projection will hinder the experience, because after a meal alot of energy goes to your digestive system and drains the energy body.

I find i get best results first thing in the morning before breakfast when i have an empty stomach and my body is already relaxed from the nights sleep.

I could be wrong though, im still not experienced enough to teach people.

I heard somewhere a while ago that fasting improves the flow of energy, i dunno if this is true though.

My dad thinks my stepmum is a psychic vampire and is draining hes energy levels.

Any advice on how to overcome this problem when your partner is a psychic vampire?

Greetings all

I'm very new to energy raising, but very interested in starting some long term dedication to it.

Ive been reading about the New Energy Ways from Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics book. I haven't got as far in my exercises as raising energy into the sub naval storage center yet or stimulating chakras. I'm still working on using tactile imaging to stimulate the energy body and clear blockages.

I have been using Roberts stirring, brushing, and sponging techniques on my feet-legs, hands-arms for the past 9 days. The only energy sensations i have felt so far are very very mild in my thumbs and pointing fingers and a couple of times my left foot twitched. In the areas that it is working I'm not sure if it is really working or if I'm just imagining it.

Id greatly appreciate it if some experienced people can tell me about they're own sensations when they first started, like how strong they were, how long did it take for the sensations to happen, if they had any difficulties that they worked through, and maybe give me some guidance or tips.

Are my energy pathways blocked and i should i be patient and keep trying?

How long do you do energy exercises for a day?

I don't want to move onto further energy raising exercises until all my blockages are cleared and healthy.

Id greatly appreciate help from anyone that can help me.

Thanks

Malcolm

yes!!

If you read robert bruces astral dynamics he has a whole chapter written about the nature of the mind split effect and how important the knowledge of it is to have a succesful projection.

orionsdream where does this person live? It sounds strikingly similar to someone i used to work with

He comes from a bad family upbringing, dropped out of school early, overweight, gets depressed alot, doesnt have much friends, huge ego, self centered and incredibly stubborn.  I think he was a very harsh boss in hes previous life and still has hes boss-like traits.

Ive tryed to help him a few times but the negative energy that he sends out is just too much and i find myself getting frustrated and angry with him very quickly. It was a real test of patience having to work in the same place with such a person

Although i have lots of negative imprints on my memory of this guy i feel sorry for him a way, i can really sense that deep down inside that he really is bleeding. Hes a perfect example of how a big ego and peoples attitudes to life can eat them down and get them into real negative cycles

I can really relate to you when you say you have a hard time trying to help a person like this, I think it would take someone very spiritually evolved to be able to have the patience.

Is it possible to project into the future while APing?

Earlier i had a obe and i saw my dad sitting in the chair. I tried to get hes attention by swinging my arms in his face but was unsuccessful, then the momentum of my movements kept on going and i went through the wall behind him, next second the projection fizzled out and i was paralyzed in my body.

I tried to break it and get out as fast as i could to go and see if my dad was actually sitting in his chair and confirm my experience was real. I got out after about 60 seconds of struggling and went out to the living room but my dad was outside working on the car

About 1 hour later i was reading some articles on the Internet and i looked at my dad and realized he was sitting in the exact same position as he was in my obe

I wonder if i projected about 1 hour into the future??

Is it possible??

Thx