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I've gotten this far, quiting would be ludacris

Finally, after diligently practicing, i finally felt a ridiculous amount of energy throughout my left hand.  I decided to stimulate it even more. I began to bounce it back and forth.  I could feel it pulsate from the heel of my hand and then back to my fingertips.  I decided to go faster.  And faster, and faster.... it was amazing.  My left arm was working as well.   Not as powerful as my left hand but still.  My right hand is not as responsive as my left hand but i can defiantly feel the energy in it moving.  My feet have been accustomed to feel minor energy... i know its there but it takes a while to stimulate.  My legs are also a  bit non responsive, but i can non the less feel the "rushing water" in my legs.  The only thing I'm having trouble with is my spine.  I am right now only visualizing with no response.  I believe that in time it will become more potent.  I also started the entire body energy bounce.  I could feel the energy most at my toes and fingertips.  It faded the closer i got to my mid body.  But then resumed its potency as i got further.

I had a question though, could i use this energy to heal things such as asthma or bad eye sight?

How to stimulate and manipulate vital energy, how to perform Astral Projection, and what to do during a projection to enhance the length, lucidity, and consciousness of the projection.

Hmmm... Every of these things is explained perfectly by Robert Bruce, so are there any reasons to pay for them?

Ok i think I'm going to have to explain this in THIS post as well, i can't really do this by reading a book.  I've been reading this and AD.  Along with several other books and links.  I CAN'T DO IT.  I had one sporadic projection the first day i tried it.  Never again.  So... I'm going to this place, where in person, they tell you what to do and what not to do.  Correct you along the way and guide you in the correct direction.

I'm not to sure, I sent an email, but i think im going to give the austin texas center a call tommorow.

I have the exact same problem.  My dad first told me about astral projection on a road trip i took with him.  He was telling me it was very real and that he himself experienced it many the time.  That same night we got back, i searched on the internet for some infromation on it.  I came across www.astralvoyage.com.  It has some basic instructions on there.  That night i attempted it. No sucess.  I was to tired, duh road trip.  The morning i woke up, i tried it and boom, im looking through my eyelids, moving real fast.  Going through my front door.  Only i couldnt fly.  Ive been tryign to do it again for over a month now with no sucess.  I to wish to know... what am i doing wrong here.  I bought AD, MAP, NEW manual, and others... still not helping.

http://www.iacworld.org/English/Academy/Default.asp

There are several locations of this academy across the world.  Luckily, one is about a 4 hour drive away from me.  This academy seeks to learn about the metaphysical, and subconscious of the human being.  Their primary methods to do so are, surprise surprise, Astral Projection.  This academy periodical has workshops that are 4 weeks long.  It takes place every weekend of the 4 weeks.  They teach their students 3 major things.  How to stimulate and manipulate vital energy, how to perform Astral Projection, and what to do during a projection to enhance the length, lucidity, and consciousness of the projection.

My best friend doesn't beleive i had an OBE, doesn't seem to bother me.  The only person that can prove an OBE is real is the person performing it.  I have chosen to stop telling people about my experience or the mechanics of Astral Projection.  Some people just can see outside of the bottle neck.

Ever since i started writing my dreams down, Ive been having a ridiculous amount of dreams every night.  It's gotten to the point where i look forward to sleeping JUST to see what i dream about.  But, i have yet to have an astral projection since 01/10/05 8:29 A.M.  Any reasons why i may be having these difficulties?

what are peoples thoughts on this?  

http://www.witchcraftmagic.com/astralprojection.htm

It has a 90 day guarantee so if i buy it, ill just get my money back if it doesn't work.  Anyways on to the more serious note.

If one was to induce astral projection mealy by listening to this audio file... there would be pros and cons.  Pro being that, hey astral in the mornin, astral in the evenin, astral at supper time... but on the bad side, when one is not able to get a hold of this file (which can not be burned due to the fact that the sound is distorted if it is burned) one would not know how to induce it by ones self hence there was no learning involved.  It'd be like training wheels.  If you relied on them your whole learning time, and never attempted to use it without them.  When they take it off unknowingly, you'd fall and would not know how to ride a bike.

Again on another plus note, if you used this program, couldn't it be used as a way to learn how to project?  If you know what to look for during a projection, when attempting to do it without the audio, you could know what to feel, and look for in the projection process.

I, personaly, cant wait till the end.  How glorious that would be indeed.  Calm, quiet... no worries, hurts, or sorrow....  But what if thats why were here?  Because we wanted to worry, to hurt.  I hate it, why would i choose something like that?

I was raised a catholic and believed there was life after death.  IE heaven, hell, and whats in between (purgatory).  Several years ago, when i was id say about 14.... i just stopped.  I didn't listen anymore.  I didn't believe anymore.  God, the devil, heaven.... i just didn't believe it was there.  All i thought there was for me, was quiet darkness.  After learning about astral projection (about a year ago) i started thinking again, If one could leave his body (projection) something beyond any type of scientific explanation, there is very much a possibility of life after death.  Not as many perceive it to be, the place in which one is rewarded based on his life on this physical world.  This is a place we all go to, to reside as long as we please until we feel it necessary to commence another life on this earth.

So what do you guys think is out there?

many thanks guys.  I love informative forums such as this one.  By the way, i have heard of people acheiving OBE with the use of drugs, but i figured, if you can acheive OBE without drugs, whats the use of drugs....

I admit to having used drugs before.  Specifically Cannabis (marijuana).

I was wondering does this impair the ability to project?  If so is it permanent?  Should i just give up trying?

Ahhh, i will try, it is rather difficult for me to do, but i will try.

Every time i try to induce the vibrations prior to an OBE, i get to the point where my body is numb and my mind is slipping into random thought.  I attempt to keep my mind aware but leave my body asleep but I end up just coming out of it all together.  What can i do to get to Focus 10?

suppose one was so good at astral projection that he was able to control it 100%, could they technical never come out?  They simply never wanted to come out?  The real world is so harsh compared to the astral plane... why would you want to leave?

I had one intentional one prior to reading MAP.  I read a few procedures, mind sets, and techniques on  www.astralvoyage.com  and that night i tried.  NO success until the next mornign at 8:29 am.

you need to wake up, guys. otherwise you will spend all your life doing AP while others will spend theirs making lots of money, traveling, having fun, having great sex. don't you want these things?

Oh boy, i just read this.  God you're "education" astounds me.  Yes sir, you got it.  We all just lie around from dusk till dawn AP.  No, none of us have jobs, we just get degrees and let them hang on our parents walls.  You got it, we're all going to college for no reason at all.  Just for laughs.

Ok i hope you see where this is going.  A lot of us here do this when we have time.  When we come home from "making money" we decide to do something besides watch TV all day.  We try a bit of Astral Projection out.  Cus you're damn right, it beats the hell out of acid.  I would know.  So if you like to have fun by watching the teletubbies, and we like to have fun by APing, ..... whats the problem here?  You have your fun and we'll have ours.

Also, you said something about challenging us to prove astral projection is real.  Unfortunately the only way to do that at all would be to give you 3 things.

An open mind
Some preliminary basics.
And your willing and unbiased attempt.

I know if you ever try this, (you won't), your mind set will be "this is so stupid i can't believe I'm doing this."  Hence, no results.  Get an open mind, stop looking at life through a straw, and quit bashing strangers you'll never meet or personal know over the Internet.

Ok how old are you?  Really, i want to know.  Don't give me that you're around 22 or 23 or older.  You display a completely sophomoric behavior i would expect out of an arrogant teenage jock.  Now you said earlier that we're the kind of people that say "i don't want to fight" when prompted to?  I can tell you, that is not the case.  I usually don't let them get passed Do you.  Either I'll break a kneecap (which is not difficult at all) or a collar bone (even simpler, only 7 lbs of force required.)  Oh look, he knows how to look on the Internet on how to break peoples bones.  No, I'm an active martial artists and have got my first degree about a year ago.  I train with my friend who is as good or better than I.  Just to say the least, we were threaded with our lives by 4 men.  We left with maybe a sore side, but we also left with 4 hurting individuals to pave our way out.  That's besides the point.

Ok heres a summary of your pathetic and weak argument.

You - Ok guys heres the plan.  Try this science project out and see that you're wrong.

Us - Ok, you try a science project out and see if were right.

you - NO!!

you see where this is heading?  You are just having a good time by yourself.  You're not even trying to make a solid point.  You just want to be the kid who went up to the pokemon table and told them only kids play pokemon.  Now (to use your pathetic phrasing) this may be harsh but... you're a complete moron and probably were never hugged by your parents.   You have told us you were done here on several occasions but continue to post.  WHY?  Because you have been cleverly contradicted in some way and you find it necessary to come back and insist that you're right.

Where are you going with this.  Even if we are wrong, there are maybe 100-200 people who will tell you otherwise.  The majority is always right buddy.  Who cares if you've got point.  Go share it elsewhere.  Here you will not make an impression.  All you will get is contradiction.  And more contradiction.  If you're goal is to change our minds you are sadly mistaken.

Another example of your pathetic arguments summarized

You - you are all uneducated

Us - well i have a 2 degrees, am a graduate, and have a masters

You - hahah your lying...

What makes us so sure that YOU are educated?  Huh?

What do you want us to do for you?  Scan our degrees and post them for your viewing pleasure.  Maybe you'll want pennies along with them to make sure their just not of google.  I've already said enough.  You're just not going to win this one.  You might as well put a shield and helmet on and call out the roman army while you're at it.  Just go somewhere else.

Ezekiel

Willing and wanting are totally different. And wanting will fail you every time. Wanting implies not having something. If you 'want' you are saying you don't have it. But by willing it, you act as if you already are doing it. It is a command, not a request. A request can be denied. Will is powerful if it is strong enough.

I'm reminded of Yoda "Try not. Do or do not."

Not sure if that helps or not.

I understand now, i appreciate your reference to Star Wars.  Helped clear things us a bit.

I see, i will try the hour early thing to get some practice in.

And i've never understood willing.  Is it simply 'wanting'?

My first OBE was performed during my waking hours. It was exactly 8:29 when i lasted look at the clock before drifting into sleep and then into the astral plane. For about a month now I've been attempting to perform astral projection before i sleep. I always end up falling asleep. And every time I'm at the point where Astral Projection would seem ideal (the part where random thoughts enter your mind right before you sleep) i can't seem to do it. I just end up pretending to roll, twist and turn.

Any methods or procedures i should try achieve the exit?

Good question. I learned NEW after reiki, so all of the secondary centers in both hands were already well developed. At www.sharereiki.org you can get several different styles for free. Just keep in mind that the people there are probably getting swamped with requests for attunements and you might have to try more than one person there.

i appreciate your help very much, is there any particular exercise that benefits you?  Maybe one that has worked for you better than others?  If so, would it be alright if i ask what they are?

Both joints in the thumb have secondary chakras in them. I'd suggest using both.

any particular way i should attempt stimulating them?

the brushing and sponging is kinda hard for me to do.

Let me clarify... you don't know how to bend your thumb?

from which joint?  the one nearest my hand or the one nearest my fingernail.  I know how to do both lol, just wana know which one i should be bending.