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[1 Corinthians 1:19 (King James Version) 19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.]

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1 Corinthians 1:19 (King James Version)
 
  19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

I'm a Christian, so I believe in the bible. Somewhere in Revelations it says that the generation that witnessed the recreation of Israel as a country will not die out before the apocalypse. So basically I'm saying it will be very soon. Be prepared...

Wow that is an amazing prophecy if it is true.

I will check that out.

That would mean that it is very soon.

The Second Coming that is.

For your flood statement.

God can SEE INTO THE FUTURE.

He may have seen not even ONE righteous person as a result of these children growing up.

In the grand scheme these children could have all grown up to be wicked.

So actually it is possible that by ending there life early he may have saved there soul.

What about this: ?

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them" (2 Kings 2:23-24).

If children are sinless - why were they punished by being torn to shreds by bears ?

The age of accountability is different for us all.

Just like it takes some people longer to learn algebra than others the same goes for the knowledge of Good and Evil.

These children obviously knew the difference between right and wrong.

You will throw a million different ways to NOT believe but not ONE as to why the Bible is Good and True.

Look at it from that angle instead of being a pharisee.

Homosexuality is a sin.

[James 2:14 (New International Version) 14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?]

I enjoyed your story.

We are called to "work" by the Gospel.

James 2:14 (New International Version)
   
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

The message of redemption is great but you are right, works are the "fruit" of a True relationship with the Lord.

God Bless.

I am quite surprised to hear that answer. Trying DMT is something I have long wanted to do, yet I have also been too afraid to do so, nor been able to find it.

*edit* I hope I didn't spoil your unique thread..

Lets just say it puts the "fear" in you, you can say that at least.

It also can bring you to levels of awareness impossible to do through more "traditional" meditative/fasting etc states of mind.

I dont recommend it.

It can shatter your mind.

But you could also find mental instability.

Its a tough paradox.

http://www.myfortress.org/ChildrenGoToHeaven.html

["Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it," Deuteronomy 1:39.]

I believe the Bible speaks clearly on this issue, yet for some reason alot of ministers claim that they do not know the answer to this question.  It is commonly called the age of accountability, meaning the time that a child knows the difference between good and evil.  At this time they become responsible for their sins and rejection of salvation.  There are alot of different ages thrown around anywhere between 6-18 years of age.  I do not know the age, it is probably different for every person taking into account the varying circumstances in their life.

In my belief that children go to heaven I hold dear the biblical and orthodox belief that we are all conceived in love (Psalm 951:69); we are all party animals through Adam (Romans 511:12); and that we are all spiritually alive in Adam (Romans 511:17).    

Deuteronomy chapter one is the clearest teaching on this issue.  The children of Israel were to enter the promised land because of their belief.  Yet, God says that the children not knowing good from evil shall enter in.

"Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it," Deuteronomy 1:39.

In the book of 2 Samuel chapter 12 we have another example that a baby goes to heaven when he or she dies.  King David wept and prayed for his child when he was alive, yet when the child died he washed his face and ate.  When his servants saw this they were perplexed, they asked him why was he not sad anymore.  King David replied,"I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

Here is the scripture in full:

"Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.  Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done?  Thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.  And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?  Can I bring him back again?  I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me," 2 Samuel 12:20-23.

In the book of Nehemiah we have another example of only those that could understand were held accountable to hearing the Word of God.

"And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month. And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law," Nehemiah 8:2-3.

In the book of Isaiah we again have the teaching that there is a point in a child's life when they do not know the difference between good and evil.  I believe that it is significant that this is taught in Scripture.

"He will eat turds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.  For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken," Isaiah 7:15-16.

John MacArthur states the following:

"However, another point may be helpful in answering this question. While infants and children have neither sensed their personal sin and need for salvation nor placed their faith in Christ, Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the clear rejection of God's revelation-whether general or specific-not simple ignorance of it (Luke 10:16; John 12:48; 1 Thess. 4:.  Can we definitely say that the unborn and young children have comprehended the truth displayed by God's general revelation that renders them "without excuse" (Rom. 1:18-20)?  They will be judged according to the light they received.  Scripture is clear that children and the unborn have original sin-including both the propensity to sin as well as the inherent guilt of original sin. But could it be that somehow Christ's atonement did pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time?  Yes, and therefore it is a credible assumption that a child who dies at an age too young to have made a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus Christ will be taken to be with the Lord."

[It's in the Bible, Leviticus 19:31 NIV. “Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them.”]

Aren't you worried that you dismiss something without listening/studying first. Do you realise even that your mind is closed? My mind is open, it doesn't mean I believe anything. I would have total respect for you if you listened and learned about the 40+ years of Leslie Flint's work, then decided it wasn't for you. Instead your close-minded response makes you look unintelligent.

It is mediumship.

That is all I need to know.

Mediumship is evil.

It's in the Bible, Leviticus 19:31 NIV. “Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them.”

[Ecclesiastes 9:5 (King James Version) 5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.]

Potatis,

Do not be decieved!

There is only One Way to Eternal Life.

ONE!

This is a false doctrine straight out of the mouth of hell.

Repent and believe in The Son of God. He is your only hope for the "afterlife".

Those recordings are DEMONS not dead people.

"Ye shall shurely not die" the first lie of the Devil.


Ecclesiastes 9:5 (King James Version)
 
  5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

And download the first Mike Fearon interview. The sound files on this page are of people who are dead, with their voices manifested through the mediumship of Leslie Flint. He speaks a lot about Jesus.

First of all when you are dead you are dead.

Those voices are demons.

Mediumship and channeling could also be known as "demon channels".

Mediumship is condemed by the Bible and is Satanic.

A folower of the Bible can not be involved in this.

The True Sabbath is the Seventh Day of the Week.

The change was instituted by the RCC.

It is NOT Biblical to worship on Sunday.

The Ten Commandments are straight foward and easy to understand.

Logic,

Fair enough and I understand where you are coming from.

I just have one question.........

Do you believe in Satan? The devil, Lucifer,  or in other words the deceiver of men?

Withcraft is the use of the Devil's power.

It is the worship of false gods.

It is condemend in the Bible in MANY instances.

Revelations and Galations tell us that those who are witches will NOT see the Kingdom of God.

Acts has a great story of how Paul and Peter met a sorcerer who tried to "buy" the power of the Holy Spirit.

The OT also has instances of the folly of withcraft.

[" If ye love me, keep my commandments. " (John 14:15 KJV)]

Jesus said:

" If ye love me, keep my commandments. " (John 14:15 KJV)

What were these commandments that Jesus was referrring to?

The Paul of the Bible summarizes God's law for mankind in one verse:

"For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:14 RSV)

This has become known as the "Royal Law".

If you really fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well. (James 2:8 RSV)


Jesus Himself went into more detail about what He wants us to do and not to do. Although we are saved by grace, not by works if we follow only the Royal Law we demonstrate our love for what God through Jesus Christ as done for us.

It is even better if we can also keep all of the Commandments of Jesus, since is thew way in which we can accomplish two very important things:


1) Demonstrate to non-Christians that we truly are followeres of Christ.
These Commandments of Jesus have a very special place of high priority for all Christians because The Lord said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15 KJV). (Emphasis mine)

2) Help bring about Gods dominion/kingdom/realm , the same dominion/kingdom/realm we pray for every time we say the Prayer That Jesus Taught Us. "Your dominion/kingdom/realm come, Your will be on earth as it is in heaven."

Jesus also gave the following instructions regarding His Commandments . . .

" Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." (Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)

By these words, Jesus tells us that we are to obey all of the Commandments He gave to His disciples, and that these Commandments apply until the end of the world and GodÕs domion is fully realized.

[2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:]

Actually, the bible never refers to itself as God's Word. Biblically, the Word (Logos) is Christ. You're coming dangerously close to idolatry here, IMO.

2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)
   16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Saying God's Word's are Truth is not idolatry my friend.

A Christian without a knowledge of the Bible is like a ship on a grand voyage...................without a compass! The waves will quickly sink you in false security.

I'm a Christian, and I disagree. I've known some pretty happy atheists, and some pretty miserable Christians in my lifetime. It's all a matter of perspective, really.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 (King James Version)

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.


True Christians understand that this life is a passing show. The reality of the situation is the eventual return of Jesus Christ to rescue His followers from sin and death.

A person with this knowledge cannot help but be hopeful for the future.

Why the KJV, out of curiosity?

The KJV is the closest to the original Greek, Hebrew manuscripts.

Logic,

Christianity is the Path of the Heart.

The Bible is the compass for the transfomation of your old selfish nature to the one that Christ originally planned for us.

paker7,

Witchcraft is evil.

Is that so hard to understand or feel in your heart?

Just dont do it.

[19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and selfcontrol. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.]

Soma-Sight , since you are quoting from the Law, I guess Jesus death on the cross didn't nullify it after all.

Sorry but we are NO LONGER under the Law, but grace. Nice try

ozonerider, Just because we are under Grace does not give us the right to murder, steal, commit adultery, become sorcerers, etc.

The Bible is very clear on what the Fruits of TRUE believe are and false belief.

If you believe in the Bible truly than YOU DONT WANT to do things contrary to His Will because the Holy Spirit is in control of you.

Nice Try.


19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

  22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and selfcontrol. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Of course, as per disscusion here that may be a sin via Christian standards. But what about those of us for whom it is completely involuntary? Are we/they possesed by demons or Satan or some such nonsense?

Yes people can become possesed without their knowledge of it, you are not supposed to hide your "I" under a pillow and become a drone my friend!

You are a wonderful, unique person that does not need to run away from his own self.

We just need to refine ourselves, not destroy.

The Lord wants us to be real people, real individuals that participate in life and spend our time serving Him, not destroying our ego.

Satan wants that for us. He wants us to become nothing and not inherit Eternal Life.

Posession can happen to people who are not willing for it to happen. It is scary and I will pray for you.

[19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.]

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.


The Bible warns us that psychic phenom and sorcery are to be avoided at all costs.

It is a work of the flesh and not the Spirit.

If you are serious about Christ and His Path than you need to focus on these qualities..........

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and selfcontrol. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

[Psalm 23:4 (King James Version) 4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.]

Jesus is so Great that even death could not hold Him down! The grave held no power over Christ. Hallelujah and Praise the one that will free us from this prison! Serve Him with all your Heart and Mind and you will be caught up in the clouds to meet Him someday.

What a Glorious event!

The return of our redeemer!

Pray for your friends that they may be healed. Pray for your family that they may know Him through the Bible.

Psalm 23:4 (King James Version)
 
4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.


He will never leave you. Just pray for understanding and follow His Law. You will be happier, healthier and ready for Heaven!

Blessed be His name!

[Ephesians 1:13 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,]

Yes Jesus Christ exists and He wants a relationship with you so He can change your heart.

The Bible is God's Word and all Truth.

Only the Gospel of Christ leads to happiness and eventually an Eternity with Him.

Ephesians 1:13

  13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Get a good KJV Bible, a concordance and pray to the Holy Spirit to understand His Wisdom in the Word.

This Way you can be sure that Jesus will enter your heart and change your life!