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Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / A Human Angel
February 07, 2005, 00:46:11
Quote from: Seven

Anyway, I'm rambling again!  Any meditation techniques you can post here would be really appreaciated.

Thanks!

I understand your frustration and tendency to seek, but ask yourself, is this thing you call "meditation" just another attempt at a short cut?  

The paradox of enlightenment is that all these supposed "short cuts" actually turn into long unwinding roads that never end and then we scratch our heads after 30 or 40 years of seeking and wonder why we aren't enlightened as yet.  After all you did it by the book did you not?  You followed all the great teachings did you not?  Yet you're still scratching your head?  

Understand "meditation" is enlightenment itself.  

If there is a bird singing, there is no "Eddie" hearing the bird singing.  It is just "bird singing" with no filter in between.  

The bird is enlightenment, the singing is enlightenment.  Every moment is enlightenment itself.  

It is the same with mediation, there is no going anywhere, no observing, no purpose.  There is no "Eddie" meditating, not even an "Eddie observing an Eddie", even though from outwards appearances it may seem that way to others. All that it really is, is just "form meditating".  You follow?  It's just mediating arising as an experience in consciousness.   It is this arising in consciousness that you already are. There is nothing to do but accept that.  

Observing is just the illusion of something observing something else.  It's the same trap as before presented in another form. It is why you get apparent glimpses and then it vanishes and then of course you long for another glimpse and it becomes circular in nature.  

There is no meditative technique that brings you enlightenment as such.  If you do happen to awaken when meditating, it isn't because you were meditating, it is because you see the fundamental illusion of mediating.  

This "knowing" may occur at any moment regardless of what activity you are engaging in.
#2
Quote from: BlackRose666

Sometimes I do doubt karma exists.


The short answer is yes and no

From the perspective of form and spirit there is karma; it is simply the law of cause and effect.  There is even a scientific basis for this law that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.  

However, Karma is illusionary in nature.  It is identification with energy, in the form of spirit or soul.  Soul/spirit are illusionary in nature too.  This does not mean there is no reincarnation; rather it means that reincarnation isn't what it appears to be.  It is the same with souls, it doesn't mean they don't exist, just that they are not what they appear to be at the level of ultimate reality.  

There is also scientific evidence for this in the quantum physics field where the law of cause and effect breaks down and the universe breaks down to probabilities, randomness and chaos.  

At a practical level it means that unless you are enlightened as in the real deal, not the flowery version that appeals to most people, you are bound by Karma.  If you awaken to your natural state of enlightenment then you see the illusionary nature of Karma and are no longer bound to it.  You are beyond form of any sort, be it physical form or energetic/spirit based forms.  

It is not as simple as thinking there is no Karma, it isn't an intellectual exercise at all, it's not even an intuitive, emotional or energetic one for that matter, for they are the very things that keep you bound to the law of Karma.  It is beyond all that and it is why so very few have managed to see the illusionary nature of life.    It is also why very few fail to see, that souls is merely swapping one illusion for another and brings you no closer to ultimate reality.  It's just Maya manifested in another form.  The very act of thinking, feeling, physical sensations and identifying with those things creates Karma, so you cannot think or feel or intuit your way out of this.  

To overstep karma, you must first awaken to the illusion and the price of that is everything.