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I agree with other people when they say your energy bodies are just cleaning themselves up. It's like physical body detoxification... it hurts due to the great amount of toxins that ends in the blood in order to be eliminated... till it happens, it hurts.

My advice: love your fears... it's the only way you can heal them effectively. If you're having bad dreams just ask for their help before entering them. It's like talking to a friend who is upset with you. They're but reaction of your subconscious mind trying to get to you information about what's wrong inside your skull.

Before falling asleep inflate your heart chakra and speak up some personal statement directing it to your sub. And, of course, make it be based on love.

I do agree with the part about loving one's subconscious mind, and other parts of self.  However, I do not believe in loving fears. I believe that fear is a terrible limiting factor(that in some cases(not all) means lack of knowledge) Before one can truly grow, learn, and gain power to their fullest potential, one must overcome and crush all fears underneath them. Taking risks(but still using common sense) and stepping off the well-beaten path into the unknown is the way to enlightenment/awakening.

Energy work can sometimes be a psychic house-cleaning.  If you have bottled up any negativity without releasing it before these past few months, it might all be coming out of your system now.  Also, are you sure that the negs are not actually a part of yourself that needs to be fixed? I am not saying it is so, but keep these in mind as possibilities(because they are likely). If this is the case, things will subside in a while.

How can someone ban you from energy work? Even with under aged kids, parents have no control over a Minor's thoughts, emotions, and such used in energy work. Nobody can stop you.

Don't let these problems stop you. You need to keep growing and strengthening your mind, energy, spirit, etc.

Your arm aching was probably due to the higher amount of energy than you were used to. When you can feel energy, a variety of strange things can happen.

Try praying to the deity of your choice if you have one, do a banishing ritual, ask guardians/higher self for help, and casting a circle of light around the room to keep unwanted pests at bay.

Hey guys, I am back on the forum several computer crashes + erasings later.

No, I'm not just trying to get attention. He has been around almost ever since  
I started astral projecting when I was a child.  I've been told by him he was assigned to me. The reason I talk about him on here is because he has  always been an important part of my astral projections since I knew him. He helps me out of my body at times, guides me through the astral, shows me things when I do not see the "big picture", and helps me through astral attacks and many things as such.

Bell-in (pronounced Bay-Lynn) is a divine wind that will rid the area you are in of negs in the astral. The conjuration is chanted 3 times in a singing like voice:

Bell-in, Bell-in, Bell-in.
Amphora of my salvation.
I would like to be next to you.
Materialism has no strength next to me.
Bell-in, Bell-in, Bell-in,
(I'm sorry about all the dashes, but I couldn't get past the spell checker)

Credit: Mystic-Web/Beelzebub <~~~~ Course Author


It really does work, and you don't have to be a certain religion to use it. Although, I'm surprised my guide doesn't get blow away as well!

Not all shadow people are of a dark nature. Some are just ghosts.

It's not the physical cross itself that is keeping them away, but the energy you throw at them when you wear it. Sometimes symbols are just a prop to help a person concentrate energy and project it without knowing it.
You don't want to try to scare something away with a symbol, because it will often times anger and cause a neg to attack. I know because of the experience my friends had with my negs . When a few of my friends(Sammy, Elaine, and Hannah) and I decided to meet on the astral, my demon guide and a few other negs were around. Two of my friends just kind of ignored them, and got along with everyone just fine. Hannah started getting scared of them and tried to repel them with a symbol of some sort. My negs except my guide went bonkers and attacked her. She was lucky we were there to pull them off of her.

My best advice to you to get rid of unwanted spirits is do a banishing/cleansing, put up a protective energy circle, or repeat a conjuration. Also, make sure you have no fear while projecting, rid yourself of bad energy/thoughts. Sometimes what we see in the astral is not a creepy crawly, but an unpleasant reflection of a part of a person that needs to be fixed. Look inside yourself for things you need to work on. To make yourself feel better & relieve stress: take a nice hot bath, burn incense, meditate, and make your environment look more cheerful with flowers or something cute. Also, aromatherapy and music can work wonders. If you have a religion pray to your deity for protection. Or ask your spirit guide/higher self for advice/help. I know if I am having trouble with things, nothing feels nicer than feeling the presence of my guide very close to me as I'm falling asleep. I hope this helps.

From what I heard, shadow people are class C ghosts and largely misunderstood. Some of them are astral beings, some are human spirits. Also, not all shadow people are Negs/manifested fears. Sometimes ghosts will appear in shadow forms. Most shadow people are very hard to get on film, because they seem shy and a pain to photograph.

But really, they are nothing to be afraid of. From my experiences and reading other people's they are one of the more shy/gentle kinds out there in the physical.

I don't know if the shadow people in my room are ghosts, other spirits, astral beings, or negs.(I have had them for about 2 years now) They are sometimes visible at night. If I project, they become a lot more visible. They never give me trouble, just moving around my room or watching me most of the time. I wonder if they are negs because they don't seem to mind my guide at all, and he's a demon. A few times these shadow beings tried to warn me of things. Twice when someone has had bad intentions towards me, I felt them move very close to me and I got this bad feeling. I don't feel threatened or scared of them. When they are around, sometimes it's a bit comforting when I'm going to sleep.

In the first instance, I might have been dreaming, seeing as my guide wasn't there. Although I am not sure if I was dreaming because I have seen the silver cord a few times when this happened.

In the second instance where I go flying down the hall/wing, I know that I was out of my body then, because I done the old pull-the-finger method of checking. Also, I seen both my guide and friend. My guide does not appear to me in dreams so I can tell whether I'm on the astral or not. If I see him, I know I am on the astral. If I don't see him, I will know I'm dreaming.

Is there anything I can do to prevent weird things from happening?

I thought lucid dreaming was when someone comes out of a dream ,and does become conscious on the astral. I'm pretty sure I am projecting ,because I am conscious and aware when this kind of thing happens.

Here recently, I have been having these weird problems on the astral. I think somebody that does not like me is hanging around me and trying to pull a clever trick on me.

Here are 2 of the weirdest/recent things that happened to me:

1) I have never heard of anyone needing to eat/get a drink/use the bathroom on the astral. A lot of times I will be on the astral, and need to do one or more of the three mentioned above. Then, after finishing doing that, I will get snapped back in my body. The funny thing is this: when I need to use the bathroom, a bathroom will be nearby. If I'm hungry or thirsty, I will be close to a kitchen. Just in case you are wondering: yes, I eat/drink/use the restroom before bed. Is it just me, or did I fall for a very clever trick pulled on me by an astral jerk?  And is there anything I can do to prevent this?

2) I done the very rare thing by comfortably projecting while on my side. I saw a friend of mine reach out for my hand to help me higher on the astral. He told me the password (me and him invent passwords so I will know it's him and not some idiot pretending to be him) I reach out for his hand and then BOOM!!! A huge wave of energy hits me , propelling me away from him (like what happens to me in space) and I start flying down this dimly lit abandoned hallway. It looked like a hospital wing or a school hallway with some of the ugliest colored tiles I've ever seen. At the end of the hallway/wing were these 2 huge doors that opened up into pure darkness. I hear both my guide and my friend yell "Oh crap, don't go in there, try to turn around!!" As soon as I went through the doors, I was right back in my body and couldn't get back out.


Forgive the length of this post, and I appreciate any help/advice/insight very much!

I do not think it's a demon. They don't just stand there especially if you are afraid, challenge them, or give them the finger(it will tinkle them off the same as it would a human) It's true a demon can sense fear and feed off of it. Never fight/confront one *unless*  they start it first, or else you might get in a world of trouble. I know because I am around them a lot.

I turned 18 today, and my dad is feeling better. He is supposed to come see me tomorrow morning. thanks!!

I came to this site to better my astral projection skills. Though I am a traditional(Luciferian) Satanist, I am open-minded and tolerant to all religions. One should not be closed to one side, because one would not exist without the other.

My name does represent a bit of what you described it as, but I am an adept. How a rose buds,blooms, dies, and scatters the seeds of knowledge upon the wind is like the path I take.
Also, Lucifer is sometimes represented as a black rose.

Thank you all much for your prayers, and healing light. I will post how he is doing. Stephen, I will pm you with his name and location. I don't have any pictures of him.

Hugs and Blessings,

Holly

My dad has cancer, and has been getting worse. he hasn't been able to help my stepmother take care of my little sister from exhaustion, and is having problems eating. Any prayers/healing energy is greatly appreciated.

- Holly

Well, yes I see that too. I believe in using them for something important, not getting smashed or tripping.

With me, marijuana actually helps me in coordination, concentration and all that. I use other things like mushrooms or peyote to expand my mind when it comes to meditation or spiritual/psychic development.

I don't take vitamins, but my routine is same year around. The only new thing I have been doing since winter is having a little more time to talk, write, and draw.

Yes, his wife is a wiccan. From what I have heard on radio satan, Allee sounds like he's tipping into the RHP. Because he was talking about balancing *both* paths!! Eeeks    The Crowley thing is lame. I wonder why anyone reads Crowley's books anymore. I mean a few gems of knowledge from labyrinths of hormonal musings?


Have you ever read the black rose scrolls by Nate Leved. I have learned useful things from them. Hes has good sermons.

Heya Trent. Email or pm me sometime!!!


Evp's are when a ghost disrupts the magnetic field, which allows them to talk and be recorded. A tape player is very sensitive to magnetic stuff.

I eat pretty healthy, walk a mile a day, and get at least 8 hrs sleep. Sometimes raising my vibrations will help, sometimes not. I have had everything checked, even my thyroid. My doc says everything is normal.

That is absolutely true, Tycoil.

I have already went to the doctor, and have been checked out. He told me nothing was physically wrong with me.

Ever since last winter, I have felt cold, sluggish, drowsy, weak, and everything seems to be in slow motion. What can I do to get my energy back and feel warm?

From personal experience, smokin weed and trying to do an OBE do not mix well for me. One thing is that it WILL cause dependence and it WILL lead to a lot more problems with concentrating. I mean not if u've used it once or twice but when you start using it on a basis you will deffinately have consequences(whether good or bad). A lot of permanent zoned out feelings will occurr and you will notice this after a while. I havent smoked weed for like 9 months and I am still permanently "burnt".

For most people, weed is not addictive. I can say this too, because I could smoke weed for 6 months, and then not smoke or think about it for another year. I have ADD, so it helps me concentrate. I have smoked it since I was 13, and I will be 18 next month with no weed related probs. It also helps me ap by allowing me to feel the vibrations and the flying/floating feelings help me separate.

Negs have the choice just like any other being to be good/kind or really horrid. Most of them are a mix, just like humans. My guide is a good neg. The thing at my ex bf's is more mean, and the one at my dad's has to be just plain evil and sadistic or bi-polar. The one at my dad's have bugged the crap out of everyone on my dad's side of the family(including me) ever since my great grandfather bought the land.

I know my ex bf's apartment is haunted by a few ghosts/spirits. Items are misplaced, knocking/popping sounds follow people around, I have felt one of them touch my face/shoulders, seen 3 different spirits, and felt one neg. A shelf with Angel figurines has also recently flown across the room.

Then, I decided to do some evp's. I set up a tape recorder with a built in microphone on the kitchen counter with a blank tape. I took a shower, and my ex was yelling at me over my suitcase still being in the kitchen. I was wearing a towel in the kitchen. I heard a whistling noise and something like a deep laugh come through the speakers. I carry my suitcase in the bedroom, and dress. I come back out, to hear weird frequency sounds vibrating the speakers. It sounded between screams,laughs, wind blowing into the mic when all doors/windows were locked, and screeches. The sounds were blended into one horrible noise. That night, I saw one of the spirits in the astral. Any help will be much appreciated.

I'm sorry for not reply sooner. I am on alot of message boards, so I have many posts to keep up with!!!

Yes,I have tried several spells and such with crimson magick. It works pretty well, but I don't want to try what I was asking about until I know what might happen. It would suck to send out an energy/energy spell, expect my energy to increase nicely, and get the equivalent of a psychic atomic bomb dropped on me!

True, some things really irked me as well about John Allee. It was some of his sermons which have helped me onto the path I now walk, so I don't think he is *completely* dumb. I'm not really an Egan convert(whatever branch he is). I am traditional, and I agree more with Nate Leved, HP of CL(church Lucifer)

Oh, and I must say that I am quite surprised to find anyone on a message board like who knows anything about what I do. I guess kindred, or people who know what I do are out there more than I think.