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Messages - tayeowen

#1
Hello David,

I taught myself how to have OBEs about 25 years or so ago, without any previous history with OBEs. It took me about 2 years of off-and-on effort and when I finally had my first OBE it was - like Patty's - seemingly spontaneous. All of my OBEs for the next 20 years also had a spontaneous quality, in that they occurred when I wasn't expecting them.  It was only after I got on the internet (about 3 yrs ago) and read up about the 'vibes' and SP, that I was able to have an OBE when I wanted to.  It still doesn't happen very often, but that's mostly due to lack of diligence and being involved with the "real world" of raising kids, etc.

The methods I used were a combination of meditation (quieting the mind throughout the waking day), and lucid dreaming - specifically Carlos Casteneda's look-for-your-hands trick. It was actually a few years before I realized that looking-for-your-hands was in fact a lucid dreaming exercise! (Well, there *was* a dearth of literature in those days...) Anyway, I rarely used LDs as a springboard for OBEs because those always seemed more like 'dreams of OBEs', rather than "real" OBEs. Better to initiate them from a waking state, IMO, if you want an experience with more cognitive faculties intact.

Anyway, with all of the "how to" manuals out there you should have a shorter learning curve than I had.  I do think, however, that regular meditation and otherwise "keeping your excrement together" probably helps to avoid some of the nastier SP experiences that some people relate.

#2
Thanks, Mobius.

Yes, I'm familiar with most of the stuff you mentioned.  Virtually all of the research that's been done has been pretty thorougly picked apart by the skeptics, I'm afraid.  Scientific proof, if it ever comes, is probably pretty far in the future, so for now, it must stay in the "belief" realm as far as the skeptics are concerned.

I have a friend who participated in some of the early RV experiments at SRI.  I think there's a difference between OBEs and RV, but it's probably just a perceptual thing.

I'm pretty experienced with OBEs, so I know how real they feel.  I don't really expect to find any 'utlimate' answers here, but I enjoy hearing about other people's experiences and their ideas about them. I'm especially interested in the common themes and symbolism that run through the different experiences. The many congruences do seem to point to some form of universal consciousness (a la Jung?), don't they? I guess what form that takes would be the sticking point, eh?





#3
Hello Countess and everyone.

I'm also a regular poster (well, not so regular, lately...) at alt.out-of-body and decided to visit after the Countess mentioned the group here. (Looks like a friendly bunch...)

I probably lean towards being a 'believer', even though - like the countess - I've never had any indisputable verification that OBEs are anything but a mental phenomenon. I'm looking forward to hearing some new ideas and getting to know the folks here.