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#1
Is there a feeling about a method/author that has gotten consistent success testimony for OOBE? There's so much out thre... Bruce, Raduga, etc... but, based on posts here, any kind of summation about the most successful method should be gleaned after being familiar with posts over years at this forum. I realize this is pretty subjective because everyone responds differently, but there must be an idea based on posts that results in a recommendation. I achieved partial OOBE spontaneously once a few years ago, but all I can say about that is that I kept on thinking about OOBE and then it just happened. I would like a discipline to make this something that I can induce voluntarily.

Experienced need only apply, please.

Thanks.
#2
I know of no other way except to drop everything and to do it frequently throughout the day. About third eye pulse, yeah, just  concentrate on it with uninterrupted attention. Can you do that? Not many people can. I can. It's not mysterious. It unlocks a love view.
#3
http://www.gizmag.com/visualized-heartbeat-out-of-body-experience/28728/

My first thought is, how can I set up the same thing at home on the cheap? The  real-time flashing graphics is probably fairly easy, but is there an alternative to getting the peak of your heartbeat in real time with an expensive electrocardiogram machine. I'm thinking, the graphics set-up can be triggered by the peaks in sound (ie. microphone on chest).

We can expect someone to come up with something and probably make a business out of it.  Meanwhile, I'm going to put my thinking cap on about this. Gotta be a way. :)
#4
This is a little off-topic here but I'll mention it anyway. First, I believe working on Third Eye opening will help me in any efforts with Astral Projection. Towards that end, I decided to try something that's pretty much out of the usual box for me.

I bought an amethyst and taped it to my third eye area, then listened to an audio that's supposedly good for helping with opening the third eye (pulsing tones overlaid with music and ocean waves). Not expecting anything new or unusual, I settled back and let it roll. I was pretty tired and started to fall asleep. Just at that moment, suddenly, a huge blue disc rimmed with silver appeared in my mind's eye. It startled me, woke me up fully, and disappeared.

Wild, eh? Maybe there really is something to all this crystal stuff.

edit: need to add that I've been listening to that 45-minute third eye audio daily for a couple months now.
#5
Quote from: Szaxx on June 12, 2013, 08:26:29
Do your best to remember what you did the day before. It may help you.
You should make a local safe place a target to go to.
Have a read, the idea is within.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html
Sorry, didn't get what you meant by remembering what I did the day before. You mean ordinary daily stuff? Or my efforts with not moving when waking (phase)? Whichever one, why?

#6
Quote from: Astralsuzy on June 12, 2013, 02:42:30
When you can see with your eyes open, you can spiritually get out of your body.  The first time it happened, I thought what do I do?  I thought get out of my body and that is what I did.  
Too bad I didn't know about OBE at those times. Last time it happened was probably about one year ago.

Is there anything that one can do during the day to help with training with phase techniques, like imagining anything during the day? Or any supplemental practice such as deep relaxation a couple times during the day. Maybe affirmations of some kind about astral projection.
#7
Quote from: Szaxx on June 11, 2013, 00:58:40
Keep going, you're doing fine. The method you suggested is the most successful. It will help you to get the feel of things step by step. Its a slow start then you'll recognise something and then progress much faster.
Stick with the waking and not moving a muscle thing. Make sure to try this for at least a month. It takes about 3 weeks to imprint it into your subconcious. Thats when the fun starts.
Dedication like a sportsman is required. It pays dividends in the end.
Thanks. Just curious, is there anything you did during the day in the beginning stages of your efforts that you think might have helped you? Like imagining rising up, flying or whatever when you happened to think of it while going about your daily business? Also, same question about right before falling asleep.
#8
Quote from: Szaxx on June 10, 2013, 14:15:45
Hi Shokan.
I know exactly what you are saying and have had the same experiences. Mine were in the 1960's so its a looong time ago. Thing is you dont forget any of it too.
The all round vision is normal and you are actually projecting while you have it. You need to imagine you're a ghost or similar and get away from your sleeping body by 40 feet or more. This will be so easy as you can go through walls without any trouble. Just know you're in a ghost like form and the walls are basically a hologram. They only feel solid if you THINK they are.
Everything is thought controlled and you will have experienced this by now.
The clairvoyant dreams I know too well. Do you get locked in?
Is the emotional side active too?
If so you have my sympathies. There's a way out of it that overlaps into the physical.
It all depends on your experiences. PM me if they are too emotionally involved, I can help.


I have no idea what to work on, given those very occasional incidences of seeing with eyes closed. Should I just continue working on phase (like Michael Raduga teaches, waking up without moving etc.)  Or, maybe something like a third eye development meditation? I don't know. Gotta do something.
#9
On several occasions in the past three years, I have been able to see with my eyes closed. This happens usually just after waking up, especially after a nap. The vision has a much wider angle than normal vision. It lasts less than a minute.

How can I develop it?

Is it an indication I have a particular natural ability to achieve an unusual skill of some kind?

And, no guesses please, anyone know for sure what causes this and maybe how to use it in some way with my efforts to astral project or towards any other skill?

edit: this may or may not be relevant to what I described, but since a teenager I've had clairvoyant dreams also hundreds, probably thousands, of significant coincidences, clairvoyant I guess you call it. This would be on the order of several incidences every week for decades.
#10
I've been reading about this technique and bought a book called Between the Gates by Mark Stavish.

All sources, including the book, have in common a description of transference, or duplication of, consciousness to a separate "body of light". But a little searching for actual experiences in a forum or blog /diary type thing hasn't turned up anything really experiential yet.

One webring page ends a Body of Light how-to with the enigmatic statement 'The Body of Light technique brings you closer to something even more exciting than stepping out in your etheric body. It introduces you to astral plane projection.' I assume this page author is saying that imagining yourself walking around in detail is like practice for more well-known OBE techniques, but I don't know. There's no further explanation.

What is the goal of full-fledged Body of Light technique, what actually happens, what are its uses? And, is there anywhere here or elsewhere that describes experiences of those who have mastered it ... and what were they able to do with a Body of Light?

I also want to know if it's a difficult thing to achieve and how is it different or the same as OBE?






#11
Getting confused here, my family help me? Well, anyway, three days ago I was able to peel head and shoulders out just as I began to wake up. But, then, I woke up more and it was over in 5 seconds. It happened spontaneously with at least a week of doing nothing related to AP or even thinking much about it. But, in general, my desire to do this for the past month has been large. I noted a couple of other things I did (or, didn't do) during the day preceeding that semi-success night  and plan to try and repeat the conditions.

So, all in all, there's been progress.

That sure was a new experience for me... odd sensation. I was already in the act of separating when I became aware it was happening.
#12
Quote from: Xanth on March 11, 2013, 20:07:41
And become a better person!

Honestly.

I get the meditation suggestion. You mean become a better person through meditation or just in general? In that case, how does that help with astral projection?
#13
Are there things I can do during the day to increase my chances of success?
#14
Quote from: Xanth on January 25, 2013, 22:41:18
To cut to the chase?
Stop TRYING to get "out" and just place the Intent to go do something somewhere.  :)

There's never any need to "get out", you need to get into your consciousness!  You do that by simply allowing yourself to experience somewhere that isn't this physical reality.

Well, there's a nugget. This will be my approach. 'Allow' is a good Keyword to keep in mind, too. Thanks.
#15
Quote from: justin35ll on January 25, 2013, 11:13:45
Hi, did you actually feel a sensation when you say you felt a pulling from the outside?

When this happens again I would say just keep going with it and try to totally let go of your physical body awareness.

No, not a sensation of grabbing, just a Kind of overall pressure as if Im in and out at the same time and the place between is under pressure. Weird sensation. Felt more a bit in the face and forehead. I've been practicing nightly for almost a year totally relaxing before sleep and expanding at the Third Eye, experiencing 3D blackness behind  my closed eyes. Wondering if maybe there's something third eye related I can do to facilitate OBE at the time like in the OBE situation I described in first post.
#16
Thanks. I'll look at that.

Any others with  experience have ideas?

#17
The situation was: totally relaxed, between sleep and awake - with the intention to leave the body. At this point, I experienced a strong feeling of vertigo or maybe tugging from outside. Also, a definite sense that something was about to happen.

To cut to the chase, next time this happens, what is your suggestion to get out?
#18
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / starting out
September 14, 2012, 08:49:54
I've had a couple of lucid dreams in the past. I did this in the late 90s and it was amazing. I used dream journal, reality checks, and beginner's enthusiasm. I've since tried over the years but haven't been successful. I tend to give up after a couple weeks.

So... I'm trying again using a little reality check method where you do frequent checks during the day, accompanied by doing a jump each time. I'll be doing the dream journal thing of course also. I will also be doing daily aerobic exercise to get me energized. I was having a very active lifestyle at the time of my 1990s lucid dreams, so I figure I should try and duplicate the situation from the past when I was able to achieve LDs.

The general plan is to achieve lucid dreaming and then explore OBE.

I'll check in here from time to time with any reports or questions. The idea being, keeping the whole subject and effort in the foreground, ie the enthusiasm factor.
#19
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hi
September 10, 2012, 18:52:11
Thanks.
#20
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Hi
September 10, 2012, 17:15:59
Hi. I was able to have two lucid dreams in the late 90's. I've tried recently to get that going again, but haven't been successful. I'm now therefore getting very interested in AP. I had one of those once a long time ago when I was very sick with a high fever. It was spontaneous.

Anyway, these experiences tell me I have the ability to have either type of experience again. Found this forum while searching around for info on Ophiel.

I'll be around.

Thanks.