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Hmm. Maybe we should not call it a "OBE". We are after all in a body of sorts. The very idea that we are leaving or going out of a body would seem to be a fixation. Ofcourse not being fixated on the "physical" body seems a bit inhuman. Perhaps "ABE" Astral Body Experience would be more fitting?

Well Im just about done reading Practical Psychic Self Defence and to be honest I am sleeping less these days. I understand why Robert put this book out there, being this is such an important subject that for the most part is not delt with. I am 24 yrs of age and have been raised with white magic/alchemy/ritual/and other influences (most of wich being positive). I have always been very sesitive to "energies" both positive and negative. Since I was young I have had many episods of sleep paralisis and demonic forces seemingly vamping my energy. I am about as open minded as they get. Yet I dont choose to put energy into any idea that passes me by. Now if I had not experienced and seen the things I have, I would most likely dismiss this book as nonsense that should not even be published. I would think that this book would only create paranoid morons that spend there time jumping over running water to get the voices out of their head. Sometimes I think it would be easier if I was more ignorant of the other dimensions for my own health. Being I have an understanding that there is a truth in books like PSSD I also feel blessed because it seems to be rare for others to even try to understand what is really going on around us. Before reading this book I felt that there was some demonic type force invading my space over the yrs. I Felt that it had been effecting my family and I, just about totaly going unnoticed to everyone else. If there really is a "Neg" or "Negs" that effect me. They seem to basically hold you back in life keeping your spirit paralised just enough so that you would not suspect anything. A type of physical and mental break down wich is done to keep the pray weakened wich in turn gives them more power. Reading PSSD has at this point made the psychic attacks seemingly worse. I am not totally done with the book and not gone full foce in the practices that PSSD offers (I have stepped over a few running water hoses though!). Personaly I felt I needed some Psychic Self Defense just to read this book! The first part of the book is VERY hard to read if someone is truly being attacked by negs. I wish Robert had put more time in how he informed us. Maybe just giveing more hope in the begining or having the countermeasures FIRST in the book. What I would really like to get at though is the question "Does this book just make Negs stronger?" By this I mean anything you give attention to will grow stronger in your life and this book obviously give Negs more attention within the publics mind. Where do I draw the line between a neg and myself? If I were to say every single action or thought that comes into my life that is seemingly Negative is created by some other astral type being, would that not just be some sort of shadow projection? Not wanting to own the guilt of ones own actions? Where do I begin and they end is something to be asked if Negs are a reality. Would it not seem better to heal the negative energy in ones life then to just want it to go away? Although if a tick falls from a tree and begins to suck my blood Im going to take it out, throw it on the ground and step on it multiple times. Because these negs and the worlds they live in are an unknow to us, how can we say for sure? How can I say that ideas in my mind are some sort of telepathic broadcast or my own inner self? We cant for sure and I think this is one of the major porblems that we face. We have the ability to take ourselves in any trance and basically place our belief anywhere. What we put energy into will be truth for us. This book at the moment has helped me to become peraniod and when I try to go to sleep I keep feeling this Neg type reality around me. A few nights I was only able to sleep about 1 hr then had to go to work. I really cant tell if this is caused by a neg that wants to reinsert its power knowing I am more aware of it or just my own trance that I have put myself in. Mybe its a mixture of both. Either way this is a hard thing for me to work through and I am open to advice. In closing I would like to say thank you to Robert for comming out with this book. In the end I feel it will help impower many poeple across the world. I would suggest though that anyone who has not read the book yet first read the countermeasures more towards the back end of the book before reading the stories about others getting harrassed in the begining. I would also highly suggest reading Astral Dynamics before starting PSSD. I will post more on this later. Thank you for your time.

Whats wrong with fear? A common pattern is to fear the darkness/negs/negtive energy. This is symbolic of fearing the unknown. A well used servival tool. We are darkness we are light, so what shall we attract? If we only saw the brighter sides of life would we be of whole mind? Perhaps...

I think it would be hard for anyonr to answer your question with confidence. We like to divide up the mind into little peices and them put them where we like. This part ends here and the other starts. Im wondering what the difference is between mind and body. Is there one?

Kava Kava is a muscle relaxant. It is contraindicated for pregnancy, nursing mothers, endogenous depression, prolonged use for more than 3 months and operating a motor vehicle following exessive use. Has anyone tried Skullcap or Passion Flower. Dosage is important so make sure you do your research. If you are looking towards the herb world to help with your "ABE" Astral Body Experience, I would recommend something more subtle like essential oils. Get a diffuser(tea candle heated) and put distilled water into it then some carrier oil like Jojoba oil. Adding ofcourse your main oils like Mugwort or Mullein is also traditionally used for astral travels. Infact, the original symbol of a witch was of her on a mullein stock not a broom.

If you are worried about a herb being toxic to the liver perhaps you should read about Milk Thistle. This herb can help clean out the liver.

hope this help alittle...

Everything exists. Nothing exists. End of story...

I have a couple questions. The first one is to Jeff Marsh. Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis before/during/after an OBE (or atall). My other question is: What do people expect to gain from an obe? I am curious...

O and one more. Has anyone ever gone from a "dream state" to a more lucid or even "OBE". Does anyone consider REM sleep the same as changing your "astral dimension"?

Earn your negs like everyone else had to! Always wanting somethen for nothen. heh...

Perhaps its better to think of a vampire as an archetype. We all vamp at one time or another, for the most part unaware of it. If you take more energy then you give...that is vampirism.

Row row row your boat, gently down the stream. Merrily merrily merrily , life is but a dream...

BTW Timeless, I chose the name "Goldenshadow" because of my intense interest of the shadow archetype. PSSD could have well been titled "The Shadow Side of Astral Dynamics".

I made this post July 21, 2002. Its somewhat realated so I shall repeat it...


Well Im just about done reading Practical Psychic Self Defence and to be honest I am sleeping less these days. I understand why Robert put this book out there, being this is such an important subject that for the most part is not delt with. I am 24 yrs of age and have been raised with white magic/alchemy/ritual/and other influences (most of wich being positive). I have always been very sesitive to "energies" both positive and negative. Since I was young I have had many episods of sleep paralisis and demonic forces seemingly vamping my energy. I am about as open minded as they get. Yet I dont choose to put energy into any idea that passes me by. Now if I had not experienced and seen the things I have, I would most likely dismiss this book as nonsense that should not even be published. I would think that this book would only create paranoid morons that spend there time jumping over running water to get the voices out of their head. Sometimes I think it would be easier if I was more ignorant of the other dimensions for my own health. Being I have an understanding that there is a truth in books like PSSD I also feel blessed because it seems to be rare for others to even try to understand what is really going on around us. Before reading this book I felt that there was some demonic type force invading my space over the yrs. I Felt that it had been effecting my family and I, just about totaly going unnoticed to everyone else. If there really is a "Neg" or "Negs" that effect me. They seem to basically hold you back in life keeping your spirit paralised just enough so that you would not suspect anything. A type of physical and mental break down wich is done to keep the pray weakened wich in turn gives them more power. Reading PSSD has at this point made the psychic attacks seemingly worse. I am not totally done with the book and not gone full foce in the practices that PSSD offers (I have stepped over a few running water hoses though!). Personaly I felt I needed some Psychic Self Defense just to read this book! The first part of the book is VERY hard to read if someone is truly being attacked by negs. I wish Robert had put more time in how he informed us. Maybe just giveing more hope in the begining or having the countermeasures FIRST in the book. What I would really like to get at though is the question "Does this book just make Negs stronger?" By this I mean anything you give attention to will grow stronger in your life and this book obviously give Negs more attention within the publics mind. Where do I draw the line between a neg and myself? If I were to say every single action or thought that comes into my life that is seemingly Negative is created by some other astral type being, would that not just be some sort of shadow projection? Not wanting to own the guilt of ones own actions? Where do I begin and they end is something to be asked if Negs are a reality. Would it not seem better to heal the negative energy in ones life then to just want it to go away? Although if a tick falls from a tree and begins to suck my blood Im going to take it out, throw it on the ground and step on it multiple times. Because these negs and the worlds they live in are an unknow to us, how can we say for sure? How can I say that ideas in my mind are some sort of telepathic broadcast or my own inner self? We cant for sure and I think this is one of the major porblems that we face. We have the ability to take ourselves in any trance and basically place our belief anywhere. What we put energy into will be truth for us. This book at the moment has helped me to become peraniod and when I try to go to sleep I keep feeling this Neg type reality around me. A few nights I was only able to sleep about 1 hr then had to go to work. I really cant tell if this is caused by a neg that wants to reinsert its power knowing I am more aware of it or just my own trance that I have put myself in. Mybe its a mixture of both. Either way this is a hard thing for me to work through and I am open to advice. In closing I would like to say thank you to Robert for comming out with this book. In the end I feel it will help impower many poeple across the world. I would suggest though that anyone who has not read the book yet first read the countermeasures more towards the back end of the book before reading the stories about others getting harrassed in the begining. I would also highly suggest reading Astral Dynamics before starting PSSD. I will post more on this later. Thank you for your time.

Who is preaching? who has it all figured out? We all share...

We are all ignorant...we all project our ideas. How we approach the unknow is what is most important. I can say with great confidence the all "negs" are not only a form of the shadow...but also a reflection of the demonized self. But keep in mind that all in our reality that we see as being outside the ego is disowned. Much like a dream we creat separate personas that we think is not of the psyche until after waking from the dream to find it was "all in our heads". Do not limit subjective material, for what is psyche is also matter. Even in quantum physics ,depending on your outlook, light will manifest as a collapsed partical or stay in the potentiality of a wave. This holds true to "negs". If I place my energy in the reality of being attacked by an outside influence wich I did not provoke and was not manifested by the self then I become a victim. I become a victom even if I "choose" to attack back or protect myself in some manner. At the heart of the shadow is the understanding that we are not victims but instead reclaimers of the god self. I have had thousands of sleep paralysis episodes and hundreds of "neg" attacks while sleeping and awake. That is the one problem I had with Roberts book PSSD is that it didnt get to the core understanding of what is really going on (in my opinion) and remained in the perspective of the conscious/ego mind. Integration is the key...there is something to learn from all.

I agree. Negs are a form of the shadow and the shadow is a reflection of the unknown true self. When we have an encounter with negs we are doing shadow work. An integration of a dark facet moving towards wholeness. Although to the ego and conscious mind we seldom understand that most of what we view is a projection. This does not mean that demons or negs do not have thier own awarness though. An encounter with a neg can leave someone fealing vamped and off balance because the ego does not understand that there is an energy transference taking place with a complex (splintered self). If we are able to withdraw our deminization and reflect upon the disowned self then we would understand that it is just a movment of energy from self...to self...Like a breath.

Do we really have control over what we do? Or are we more like the flow of water and lightning taking the path of least resistance. To say that "animals" do not have consciousness is not only denying the connection that all beings share, but also our own instincts. What about a planet like Earth or a wall for that matter? If there is a consistency...there is consciousness. Wich also means "animals" have an unconscious as well.

Is there really a differance between Psyche and matter? I think not...

Humans are animals...

We are all mediums...some just dont know it.

Nice...

"Need" I pray for your healing. Let me throw out a few ideas that may help you connect to your true impowerment. First off, wich Im sure you have some idea of already, "power" is only gained by knowing its something you already have and have had from the beginning. It does not exist outside the self wich means you no longer need to seek an outside sorce for your healing. Not in a person, place, magical item, higher being or ANTHING will you find what you need. Take your rightful place in the universe as not only a part of life but a meaningful part of all that is. Your lessen may seem very stressful (even more then you think you can handle), but from this you shall gain strength and self awarness. The harder the lesson...the more impowerment that shall follow. Wich is perhaps why you have chosen to live out this lesson. Although you feel helpless many a time you are the manifester of this shadow reflection and the power is truly within. Do not fear the darkness or the light or your own creation. Integrate your light and darkness and let go of your judgment. Seek the void and nothingness to become invisible in the eyes of your so called enemy. You are truly blessed and should surround yourself with this understanding. To be the child of a Dark wizard is an interesting archetype but this is not a shadow that you must live under, but a shadow that must be intergrated finding the positive within the dark cloud. The trickster is strong in your mind and I recammend reading stories about this type of energy. Breathing exercises may help you to relax and find an inner peace. Self hypnosis with not only positive imagry but the idea of light and dark both being a part of god and having a rightful place. Every light casts a shadow and every shadow casts a light. I would take a look at many areas in your life right down to your diet for things to change in order for you to find some comfert in this physical plane. I send my blessings to you!

Could you explain alittle more? Why are you going into the desert and who are these poeple?

What is good and what is evil? Hehe would most beings see humans as being evil? Look at what we do to the world. When anyone calls something "evil" all they are saying is they dont understand it and want to separate it from themselves. If there are Negs how robert makes them out to be then they are vampiric correct? One can only be vamped if they are leeking energy somewhere or are themselves vamping someone. Humans are very vapiric in nature, true? Example: destroying wild life to build our homes and realities. Maybe this is why we have such a big problem with "Negs" being everything is a reflection of the self atleast in some way...